The States ratified a Unionist Republic Constitution. That's why there's signatures on it like the States uniting around a Declaration of Independence, or other forms of government over those territories. Its a rule of thumb in unofficial letters that has developed "Separation of Church and State", that not a Constitutional Amendment, it is probably Unconstitutional. In fact, as far as not taxing Churches, providing for freedom of speech, assembly, worship, the State has led Church to the present day. That 1st Amendment freedom is an Active principle, not passive, its not "Laicite", its not drowning nudes tied together in a "Republican Marriage", you Can Only be married by a national Judge, you could have a religious ceremony of no force and then visit the court judge in France. It is an Active force that is actively policing that you are Allowed freedom of assembly.

Quote from: MikeDwight on October 08, 2020, 06:30:06 AM
The States ratified a Unionist Republic Constitution. That's why there's signatures on it like the States uniting around a Declaration of Independence, or other forms of government over those territories. Its a rule of thumb in unofficial letters that has developed "Separation of Church and State", that not a Constitutional Amendment, it is probably Unconstitutional. In fact, as far as not taxing Churches, providing for freedom of speech, assembly, worship, the State has led Church to the present day. That 1st Amendment freedom is an Active principle, not passive, its not "Laicite", its not drowning nudes tied together in a "Republican Marriage", you Can Only be married by a national Judge, you could have a religious ceremony of no force and then visit the court judge in France. It is an Active force that is actively policing that you are Allowed freedom of assembly.

Wow, a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing! If not for the Bill of Rights, there would be no Constitution!
The BofR was a guard against the govt, a stand alone protection of Gods Law, the Right to assemble, the Right to speak openly in holding the govt accountable, the Right to back up said speech with arms!

The people knew they had certain inalienable Rights not granted by govt, rather a higher power!
That's where our Rights come from, not govt! Do you even understand our Constitution? I guessing English is not your first language.

In fact, if two people together for life were slightly Natural, slightly secular and discoverable and institutable by Government, the idea is undermined at the outset, Napoleon wrote of his girlfriends to Josephine, and Josephine wrote of boyfriends. Nicolas Sarkosy, what infamy, elected in his 2nd marriage out of preference, he basically paraded around his new beach model his whole presidency, why doesn't France think it and its institutions are Jokes?

Look around, that's the mirrored discussion today in the United States, of course. I've heard that Bill of Rights can take large credit from the English Bill of Rights. Not to imply anything racist, we openly should show that George Washington and many saw themselves as suboordinated to inalienable rights that had been established through Protestantism, or as Englishmen.

Quote from: MikeDwight on October 08, 2020, 07:03:26 AM
In fact, if two people together for life were slightly Natural, slightly secular and discoverable and institutable by Government, the idea is undermined at the outset, Napoleon wrote of his girlfriends to Josephine, and Josephine wrote of boyfriends. Nicolas Sarkosy, what infamy, elected in his 2nd marriage out of preference, he basically paraded around his new beach model his whole presidency, why doesn't France think it and its institutions are Jokes?

Look around, that's the mirrored discussion today in the United States, of course. I've heard that Bill of Rights can take large credit from the English Bill of Rights. Not to imply anything racist, we openly should show that George Washington and many saw themselves as suboordinated to inalienable rights that had been established through Protestantism, or as Englishmen.

I suggest you respond to my query, you are not bringing anything new to the discussion, just shrouded obfuscations in hopes of muddying the waters enough to confuse the audience.
My patience is running thin!

There is hardly ANY obfuscation anywhere intended. What did I do to you? In fact, there is only one battle perhaps all Christianity should even pay attention to its...
"Viva la Vida" latin translation "Live the life" by Coldplay, in praise of Napoleon.
and "Waterloo" by Abba in praise of the Nations responsible for Napoleon's downfall.
That explains the Current alignments in Europe perfectly, between this Republican tricolor flag movement and the historical Monarchies throughout Northern Europe.
That explains World Christianity and its problems, or do you falsely believe it is the United States in Christianity, it is World Christianity that is in the United States. Separation of Church and State obviously has meant as I've meant by all my posts that we are allowed ignorance to the Christian political force.

Quote from: MikeDwight on October 08, 2020, 07:14:49 AM
There is hardly ANY obfuscation anywhere intended. What did I do to you? In fact, there is only one battle perhaps all Christianity should even pay attention to its...
"Viva la Vida" latin translation "Live the life" by Coldplay, in praise of Napoleon.
and "Waterloo" by Abba in praise of the Nations responsible for Napoleon's downfall.
That explains the Current alignments in Europe perfectly, between this Republican tricolor flag movement and the historical Monarchies throughout Northern Europe.
That explains World Christianity and its problems, or do you falsely believe it is the United States in Christianity, it is World Christianity that is in the United States. Separation of Church and State obviously has meant as I've meant by all my posts that we are allowed ignorance to the Christian political force.

So you think govt should dictate what religion should be allowed, that the people aren't smart enough to decide for themselves, regardless of the fact that the majority of the population agreed upon Judaeo Christian values, or the fact that they didn't prohibit other beliefs be stifled ?

Your argument was never about the First Amendment, your issue is with Christians in general, all the while ignoring the blood lust of Muscums.
Unarguably, the US Constitution is superior to every form of govt historically and present.

They have to be interested in the religion of our people Softly. Editing our religion started with Dwight Eisenhower, really. I don't see him as a true continuance of Abraham Lincoln, that seems false. Did you follow "Southern Presbyterianism" and that it disappeared? It "Ecumenically" "joined", administrative bureaucracy, that thing? right... Not really.
The Dwight Eisenhower vision is even the Muslims and Faith and "In God We Trust" as a motto all Faith is defeating Communists. Governor George Wallace said plenty on Communists being bad , So, I Don't understand the side project.
The US Constitution is an infinitely long edited document of usurpation to the States, which Alabama Constitution has tended to understand for well over 150 years.

Quote from: MikeDwight on October 08, 2020, 07:32:57 AM
They have to be interested in the religion of our people Softly. Editing our religion started with Dwight Eisenhower, really. I don't see him as a true continuance of Abraham Lincoln, that seems false. Did you follow "Southern Presbyterianism" and that it disappeared? It "Ecumenically" "joined", administrative bureaucracy, that thing? right... Not really.
The Dwight Eisenhower vision is even the Muslims and Faith and "In God We Trust" as a motto all Faith is defeating Communists. Governor George Wallace said plenty on Communists being bad , So, I Don't understand the side project.
The US Constitution is an infinitely long edited document of usurpation to the States, which Alabama Constitution has tended to understand for well over 150 years.

If you're boring me, you're boring our audience. Quit evading and answer my queries, or you'll find yourself outside looking in!

Government already dictates heavily the religion around today, entering into the Sanctuary and tossing things around, thinking the people aren't smart enough to decide for themselves .I'm Surprised they'll allow Korean Presbyterians the Moment of Respite from landing on our shores to even collect a breath, before being thrown helplessly at competitions in this American Empire. I designed that to more directly answer you. Didn't 'the army enter  with rifles to desegregate our Churches" said Strom Thurmond, you see the slightest sympathy to a 6 year old daughter of the South would be illegal, might their constitution be improved if they had grades and standing compared with a black man, things would be better?

Quote from: MikeDwight on October 08, 2020, 07:41:42 AM
Government already dictates heavily the religion around today, entering into the Sanctuary and tossing things around, thinking the people aren't smart enough to decide for themselves .I'm Surprised they'll allow Korean Presbyterians the Moment of Respite from landing on our shores to even collect a breath, before being thrown helplessly at competitions in this American Empire. I designed that to more directly answer you. Didn't 'the army enter  with rifles to desegregate our Churches" said Strom Thurmond, you see the slightest sympathy to a 6 year old daughter of the South would be illegal, might their constitution be improved if they had grades and standing compared with a black man, things would be better?

I warned you about avoiding my questions! Take a hike!

Mike is just venting/pontiificating - let him rant.  His words are hard to follow, but he sounds very Rightish.

Quote from: Skull on October 08, 2020, 07:59:50 AM
Mike is just venting/pontiificating - let him rant.  His words are hard to follow, but he sounds very Rightish.

Nah, he's anti Christian, and this is not the section for this. He refused to actual debate, instead went on innocuous tangents about religion.
The title is "Separation of Church and State", he refused to engage in actual debate, so he's gone!

It may already have been said but, if so, I'll reiterate it. There is absolutely nothing in the U.S. Constitution about "separation of church and state". The U.S. Constitution was designed so that individuals were free to worship or abstain from worship as they wanted. The U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom OF religion NOT freedom FROM religion!