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Re: ObamaCare: Why "Tax" vs "Fine/Penalty" is Irrelevant
« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2013, 11:28:15 AM »
Not to mention many first time voters who believed his BS. Also, there were many who felt this guy was the real "healer" he portrayed himself as.
Exactly the point I'm trying to get across, and these young voters have already aged another quarter of the life they've already lived since the day they first voted, meaning they have matured a bit and won't be making the same mistake again, ever.
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Re: ObamaCare: Why "Tax" vs "Fine/Penalty" is Irrelevant
« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2013, 12:47:36 PM »
You completely missed my point about many of those that voted for change, weren't voting for Hussein, rather against RINO/Bush, they are not ideologues, they are pissed at politics as usual, it was a protest vote, one that won't be repeated in the Marxists favor.

Not everyone that voted for Hussein were liberal, just angry, and rightly so.

No, I got the point, and yes, they are actually ideologues,
 
It's just that you imagine that point to involve some profound fact when it that's not the case. 

Those few that voted for Obama out  of anger for the economic collapse, are too ignorant to begin with, given their disregard for facts.

Those Marxist-Socialist voters are ideologues;  that's how one becomes a Marxist in the most free country in the world.    They don't need to be voting for Obama.  THey were voting for an ideology and the symbolism that is Obama.  These include the enviro-weenies, and the Hate-America crowd, and the Global Warming Crowd, and the Abortion Crowd, and the femi-nazi crowd, and many more.  To vote against that, much less vote for Republican, or to not vote at all, they have to abandon their ideology, and that's not likely to happen because they are the strongest social advocates out there. 

Beyond that, no one should actually have to point out that they blame the Republicans for Obama's shortcomings and failures.




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Re: ObamaCare: Why "Tax" vs "Fine/Penalty" is Irrelevant
« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2013, 02:45:20 PM »
The last several elections have been knee-jerk rejections of the party and platform before.

Obama benefitted from liberal motivation against everything conservative, GOP, and DC.  As well as GOP voter malaise at that point.

Bush benefitted from the same Clinton fatigue.

Reagan from Carter disgust, Carter from Nixon disgust, Nixon from LBJ disgust.

The only anomalies are Clinton who wouldn't have beaten Bush 1 without Perot splitting the GOP vote, and Obama winning a second term, which doesn't have any possible rational explanation.

Expect the same Obama fatigue in 2016, unless he / they have truly figured out how to rig and blackmail the process permanently.

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Re: ObamaCare: Why "Tax" vs "Fine/Penalty" is Irrelevant
« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2013, 05:36:20 PM »
No, I got the point, and yes, they are actually ideologues,
I don't imagine anything.
 You are talking about a small percentage of the left, I'm talking about the rest, those that were angry with politics in general, the ones that don't eat, sleep and breath politics.
And to prove my point:
It's just that you imagine that point to involve some profound fact when it that's not the case. 


Those few that voted for Obama out  of anger for the economic collapse, are too ignorant to begin with, given their disregard for facts.
Yes, you're right, but they do know they don't like the way things were going and voted for change.

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Those Marxist-Socialist voters are ideologues;  that's how one becomes a Marxist in the most free country in the world.    They don't need to be voting for Obama.  THey were voting for an ideology and the symbolism that is Obama.  These include the enviro-weenies, and the Hate-America crowd, and the Global Warming Crowd, and the Abortion Crowd, and the femi-nazi crowd, and many more.  To vote against that, much less vote for Republican, or to not vote at all, they have to abandon their ideology, and that's not likely to happen because they are the strongest social advocates out there. 
Yes, and according to the graph, they are a minority in the country.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/Conservatives-Remain-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx
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Re: ObamaCare: Why "Tax" vs "Fine/Penalty" is Irrelevant
« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2013, 05:38:48 PM »
The last several elections have been knee-jerk rejections of the party and platform before.

Obama benefitted from liberal motivation against everything conservative, GOP, and DC.  As well as GOP voter malaise at that point.

Bush benefitted from the same Clinton fatigue.

Reagan from Carter disgust, Carter from Nixon disgust, Nixon from LBJ disgust.

The only anomalies are Clinton who wouldn't have beaten Bush 1 without Perot splitting the GOP vote, and Obama winning a second term, which doesn't have any possible rational explanation.

Expect the same Obama fatigue in 2016, unless he / they have truly figured out how to rig and blackmail the process permanently.
Exactly! Cycles, it's always been that way, and 2010 was a bellwether for 2014, a slaughter in the making.
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