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licensing journalists
« on: January 19, 2020, 07:37:56 AM »
First time post, and it’s because I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately.
The First Amendment says specifically “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Yet I believe in this day and age we need to implement some system for ensuring journalists with access to national and international news outlets are professionals without any biases that would prefect them from telling the truth, and some mechanism for punishing those who violate their professional, ethical standards.
Basically, I think we need a national licensing board for journalists. The board could be a mix of congressional and presidential appointees who would review applicants. It would likely have to be set up in each state oven the volume. New applicants would have to demonstrate the ability and willingness to report the news without bias and accept terms for what would essentially be disbarment if they are found to have violated those terms.
Obviously this would be for journalists with access to outlets over deserts in audience or circulation, and not bloggers. It would apply to journalists of all political orientations, not just the typical leftists.
Why would this help? It might curb willful disinformation. If a reporter can be shown to have ignored facts or willfully misrepresented facts, then boom. Done. If outlets have a trend of violations, boom. Done. We could shut down the fake news. We could shut down the partisan, un-American lies. We could reform a once proud profession that has in face been the cornerstone of our emigrated republic since before the Revolution.
It could be dangerous, but we’re living in dangerous times. We need to do something.
What say you?

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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2020, 08:05:56 AM »
Welcome Marc, good to have you here.

But I must respectfully disagree.

As the site owner, my partner and I are constantly writing news articles, we are the new journalists, the very people that bring you the truth as opposed to the national media's lies.

Problem with advocating permits to disseminate news is. Who will determine what is news, the govt? We're just now breaking the bonds of govt over the last 60 years, or leftist govt the last 40, and you want to allow govt the sole power to censor?
That's what it would come down to, people afraid to report on any given news out of fear of license revocation. No, news is better if left under the protection of the bill of Rights, even when they print lies, because it affords people like me to straighten their asses out on the spot.

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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2020, 08:27:51 AM »
First time post, and it’s because I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately.
The First Amendment says specifically “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Yet I believe in this day and age we need to implement some system for ensuring journalists with access to national and international news outlets are professionals without any biases that would prefect them from telling the truth, and some mechanism for punishing those who violate their professional, ethical standards.
Basically, I think we need a national licensing board for journalists. The board could be a mix of congressional and presidential appointees who would review applicants. It would likely have to be set up in each state oven the volume. New applicants would have to demonstrate the ability and willingness to report the news without bias and accept terms for what would essentially be disbarment if they are found to have violated those terms.
Obviously this would be for journalists with access to outlets over deserts in audience or circulation, and not bloggers. It would apply to journalists of all political orientations, not just the typical leftists.
Why would this help? It might curb willful disinformation. If a reporter can be shown to have ignored facts or willfully misrepresented facts, then boom. Done. If outlets have a trend of violations, boom. Done. We could shut down the fake news. We could shut down the partisan, un-American lies. We could reform a once proud profession that has in face been the cornerstone of our emigrated republic since before the Revolution.
It could be dangerous, but we’re living in dangerous times. We need to do something.
What say you?

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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2020, 08:28:28 AM »
Welcome Marc, good to have you here.

But I must respectfully disagree.

As the site owner, my partner and I are constantly writing news articles, we are the new journalists, the very people that bring you the truth as opposed to the national media's lies.

Problem with advocating permits to disseminate news is. Who will determine what is news, the govt? We're just now breaking the bonds of govt over the last 60 years, or leftist govt the last 40, and you want to allow govt the sole power to censor?
That's what it would come down to, people afraid to report on any given news out of fear of license revocation. No, news is better if left under the protection of the bill of Rights, even when they print lies, because it affords people like me to straighten their asses out on the spot.

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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2020, 08:32:48 AM »
First time post, and it’s because I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately.
The First Amendment says specifically “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Yet I believe in this day and age we need to implement some system for ensuring journalists with access to national and international news outlets are professionals without any biases that would prefect them from telling the truth, and some mechanism for punishing those who violate their professional, ethical standards.
Basically, I think we need a national licensing board for journalists. The board could be a mix of congressional and presidential appointees who would review applicants. It would likely have to be set up in each state oven the volume. New applicants would have to demonstrate the ability and willingness to report the news without bias and accept terms for what would essentially be disbarment if they are found to have violated those terms.
Obviously this would be for journalists with access to outlets over deserts in audience or circulation, and not bloggers. It would apply to journalists of all political orientations, not just the typical leftists.
Why would this help? It might curb willful disinformation. If a reporter can be shown to have ignored facts or willfully misrepresented facts, then boom. Done. If outlets have a trend of violations, boom. Done. We could shut down the fake news. We could shut down the partisan, un-American lies. We could reform a once proud profession that has in face been the cornerstone of our emigrated republic since before the Revolution.
It could be dangerous, but we’re living in dangerous times. We need to do something.
What say you?

Welcome. However, I am with Solar and Taxed. How can another bunch of bureaucrats clean up the mess the MSM has created? Who would make up this board and who would select the members? It would be the fox guarding the hen house.
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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2020, 08:43:49 AM »
Welcome. However, I am with Solar and Taxed. How can another bunch of bureaucrats clean up the mess the MSM has created? Who would make up this board and who would select the members? It would be the fox guarding the hen house.
I like the way it's going with the internet, where the sheep are armed and guarding the wolf pen. So to speak... :biggrin:
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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2020, 08:44:56 AM »
They'd have us in the gulags breaking rocks...
You didn't push popular opinion your govt masters gave you, off to the rock pit with you!!!
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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2020, 09:49:50 AM »
They'd have us in the gulags breaking rocks...

That is already happening now, Media companies are deciding what is appropriate to disseminate. Getting kicked off of social media is the equivalent of it.
Social Media are multi-national billion dollar corporations with foreign investors that are going unchecked with the power to effect our election process.

"Book burnings" have evolved into "de-plat forming". Its the same principles behind both: to eliminate accessible knowledge.

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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2020, 09:57:10 AM »
That is already happening now, Media companies are deciding what is appropriate to disseminate. Getting kicked off of social media is the equivalent of it.

I'm not biting.......

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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2020, 12:41:56 PM »
I'm not biting.......

It is the same result. Your are isolated grom the public. I generally agree with Ben Shapiro. You have a phone/you are a journalist. Media companies are deciding who has permission to speak to the public.
Social Media are multi-national billion dollar corporations with foreign investors that are going unchecked with the power to effect our election process.

"Book burnings" have evolved into "de-plat forming". Its the same principles behind both: to eliminate accessible knowledge.

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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2020, 01:02:00 PM »
First time post, and it’s because I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately.
The First Amendment says specifically “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Yet I believe in this day and age we need to implement some system for ensuring journalists with access to national and international news outlets are professionals without any biases that would prefect them from telling the truth, and some mechanism for punishing those who violate their professional, ethical standards.
Basically, I think we need a national licensing board for journalists. The board could be a mix of congressional and presidential appointees who would review applicants. It would likely have to be set up in each state oven the volume. New applicants would have to demonstrate the ability and willingness to report the news without bias and accept terms for what would essentially be disbarment if they are found to have violated those terms.
Obviously this would be for journalists with access to outlets over deserts in audience or circulation, and not bloggers. It would apply to journalists of all political orientations, not just the typical leftists.
Why would this help? It might curb willful disinformation. If a reporter can be shown to have ignored facts or willfully misrepresented facts, then boom. Done. If outlets have a trend of violations, boom. Done. We could shut down the fake news. We could shut down the partisan, un-American lies. We could reform a once proud profession that has in face been the cornerstone of our emigrated republic since before the Revolution.
It could be dangerous, but we’re living in dangerous times. We need to do something.
What say you?
One other point. We already have something like this funded by govt, called NPR/PBS, Brits tried something stronger yet, called the BBC, all of these entities wound up being leftist mouth pieces.
Fact is, we Conservatives own the internet in spite of leftist social media. We are the voice of the people and the left are in total meltdown panic mode over it.

I get your point and on its face it sounds good, but the less control Govt has over our First Amendment, the better.
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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2020, 05:23:22 AM »
Tough topic as few people have the time to critically examine every issue and social media is so prevalent and targeted that getting to the truth is a hard trip. We tend to follow our tribe and that can be positive and negative.  The OP below covers the subject and while many on this site may disagree, it offers insight.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/


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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2020, 07:01:11 AM »
Tough topic as few people have the time to critically examine every issue and social media is so prevalent and targeted that getting to the truth is a hard trip. We tend to follow our tribe and that can be positive and negative.  The OP below covers the subject and while many on this site may disagree, it offers insight.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/


"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." Friedrich Nietzsche
Only Fools Are Tribal Followers! If you had any critical thought of your own, you wouldn't fall for such BS opinion pieces.
This is a perfect example in differentiating the left and the Right. The left want to be a part of a group, let other think for them, while the Right wants to be left the fuck alone by the busy body's Marxists.

Seriously, do you ever try, just once and awhile, to see things from the other side? I do, it's why I have a keen grasp of the politics and why I'm neither a commie fool or a mindless follower, thinking someone else knows what's better for me, than me....
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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2020, 11:47:48 AM »
Welcome Marc, good to have you here.

But I must respectfully disagree.

As the site owner, my partner and I are constantly writing news articles, we are the new journalists, the very people that bring you the truth as opposed to the national media's lies.

Problem with advocating permits to disseminate news is. Who will determine what is news, the govt? We're just now breaking the bonds of govt over the last 60 years, or leftist govt the last 40, and you want to allow govt the sole power to censor?
That's what it would come down to, people afraid to report on any given news out of fear of license revocation. No, news is better if left under the protection of the bill of Rights, even when they print lies, because it affords people like me to straighten their asses out on the spot.

Check out our other site.

https://conservativehardliner.com/


I agree with you about the censorship.  But there must be some way we can take action against any media who knowing spew lies...  But NOT determined by government.
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Re: licensing journalists
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2020, 12:12:34 PM »

I agree with you about the censorship.  But there must be some way we can take action against any media who knowing spew lies...  But NOT determined by government.
We have laws, slander is the main one. When someone or organization goes after people they can be sued.
I have no use for the term journalist, that's why I refer to them as urinalists, they do nothing but piss all over everything, and it's been that way since our Founding.
In fact, our Founders were well aware of it but knew that stifling speech would be more detrimental in the long run to our Republic.

Just look at Europe, Britain in particular and the BBC, the country, or those in power control what the people see and hear.
And yes, the BBC is nothing but a taxpayer funded CNN.

The best antidote against leftist news is us, the people, writing and exchanging ideas, and now we have the web. Yes, in spite of social media, we Conservatives own the internet and we're winning, that's why the left fought so hard for Gov regulating the cable suppliers.

We still have Free Speech and any regulating of the web would spell our demise, Fed or other as you infer. Let's keep it free and open as leftist media dies a violent death.
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