Author Topic: I would like to know CPF's thoughts on Rand Paul, and on my take regarding him.  (Read 7069 times)

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Why, you ask?  When a thread gets this far off track and the responses back and forth consume nearly a page of print, WHOGAS what's being said.

It's good discussion... it's OK...

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It maybe a good discussion for the two that are hogging the thread with an off topic verbal battle but I'm not sure others think so.

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It maybe a good discussion for the two that are hogging the thread with an off topic verbal battle but I'm not sure others think so.
Generally when a thread devolves to two people, we give it one or two days and move them to the appropriate forum, and this one now qualifies.
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Until he is willing to answer about his support of Son of a Bitch McConnell i want nothing to do with him.

If Buck Sexton couldn't nail the guy down on it pretty much no one is going to. Be VERY VERY Careful concerning Rand Paul. I feel like he could be another Rubio in waiting. Just better camouflage.

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Until he is willing to answer about his support of Son of a Bitch McConnell i want nothing to do with him.

If Buck Sexton couldn't nail the guy down on it pretty much no one is going to. Be VERY VERY Careful concerning Rand Paul. I feel like he could be another Rubio in waiting. Just better camouflage.
I think we all share that thought. Once he backed Mitch over Ted, he just as well tattooed a big fat "RINO" on his forehead.
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Rand Paul, in spite of how you fell about his foreign policy and use of the military, seems to have the best interest of our country at heart.  We are not going to find the perfect candiate and that's what keeps pulling us a part. 

Paul, like Oblamer and all other aspiring POTUS candidates, have their own vision of how things should be but their utopian world meets reality when the winner gets the "crossover" brief from the incumbent POTUS.  Oblamer came in as some what of a peacenik but look at what has happened since he took office.  Nothing militarily has gotten better.  Matters of fact nothing has gotten better.

Paul's idea of a nuclear disarmed NK swap for our forces in Korea is a good example of what I call a "Budweiser Vision" or said differently "looks good in the shower".  It want happen, he can't make it happen, because there is more to our forces being in SK than just holding the NK's hostage.

The incumbent POTUS starts the crossover briefing by saying "let me tell you how it really is".  When he finishes the electee says, "no sh**"!
Obama was never a "peacenik" he only wanted some deluded fools to think he was for their vote. If you look at what he actually said in his campaign speech's prior to the first election it's clear he's as militant as it gets.

The problem is, his militancy, is one which is also anti-capitalist, anti-libertarian (meaning against liberty, not as in libertarian political movement), anti-Constitutional, and anti-American.

On a broader topic, for those who have mentioned their dislike and that they would "never vote for Ron Paul"

Just as a curiosity, which exactly of Ron Paul's positions on our military do you disagree with?

Would it be his very correct position, and oddly enough also very unpopular position among so called "conservatives" that our military is being used to fight wars un-Constitutionally and thus illegally under our law, and Constitution?

Or his position that the U.S. Military exists to protect and defend the citizens and states of the United States, not to serve and act to defend the interests of foreign sovereignty's, which is I would add also Constitutionally a correct position.
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Obama was never a "peacenik" he only wanted some deluded fools to think he was for their vote. If you look at what he actually said in his campaign speech's prior to the first election it's clear he's as militant as it gets.

The problem is, his militancy, is one which is also anti-capitalist, anti-libertarian (meaning against liberty, not as in libertarian political movement), anti-Constitutional, and anti-American.

On a broader topic, for those who have mentioned their dislike and that they would "never vote for Ron Paul"

Just as a curiosity, which exactly of Ron Paul's positions on our military do you disagree with?

Would it be his very correct position, and oddly enough also very unpopular position among so called "conservatives" that our military is being used to fight wars un-Constitutionally and thus illegally under our law, and Constitution?

Or his position that the U.S. Military exists to protect and defend the citizens and states of the United States, not to serve and act to defend the interests of foreign sovereignty's, which is I would add also Constitutionally a correct position.

It's tough, because we don't like what he's saying, and he's pissing me off.  But, he's still voting conservative every time.  As long as he keeps voting like he is and preaching conservative positions, he can call himself Karl Marx for all I care.

Heritage Action Scorecard has him at 97%.  One of the votes that went against HAS was about taking away Federal Reach over the interstates, so that one was even about making the Fed smaller.
http://www.heritageactionscorecard.com/members/member/P000603

I think at this point, he's positioning politics, and that's fine I guess, as long as he keeps voting like he is.  I'd really like him to come out and start swinging against McConnell though.  It may be he's setting him up.  Who knows.

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As long as he keeps voting conservative positions,
And I believe that will be the path to his success.
Conservatives are all about action, as in a voting record, while the rest are all about "Feel good Talk", and I believe he knows this, and knows it will play well to the libs that just bailed on the Dim party and jumped on the Libertarian band wagon.
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And I believe that will be the path to his success.
Conservatives are all about action, as in a voting record, while the rest are all about "Feel good Talk", and I believe he knows this, and knows it will play well to the libs that just bailed on the Dim party and jumped on the Libertarian band wagon.

He is not my first pick, but I would have no problem being for him 100%. I do not necessarily agree with his foreign policy positions, but unlike many on the right, I am not looking for a candidate that is 100% aligned with my thoughts. The goal is to not have a democrat in the WH.
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He is not my first pick, but I would have no problem being for him 100%. I do not necessarily agree with his foreign policy positions, but unlike many on the right, I am not looking for a candidate that is 100% aligned with my thoughts. The goal is to not have a democrat in the WH.
Same here, and a Paul POTUS is palatable as compared to another socialist RINO.
Though a Cruz would definitely get me excited. :thumbup:
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