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Homosexual Agenda?
« on: October 07, 2014, 10:29:57 PM »
Here is a question begging to be asked!

With the non-ruling/ruling by the Supremacist Court yesterday, it would seem that the homosexual movement is moving into high gear!

We have all seen the stories about bakeries and wedding photographers being forced to accommodate these perverts<<--(No apologies to be forthcoming) or else go out of business.

THE question: How is this going to play out in the churches?

Are the churches going to be forced to perform same sex marriages?

Is there a Constitutional protection against the government/courts from enforcing what many will call the 'equal rights' amendment on churches?

What are your opinions?
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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2014, 11:06:19 PM »
Here is a question begging to be asked!

With the non-ruling/ruling by the Supremacist Court yesterday, it would seem that the homosexual movement is moving into high gear!

We have all seen the stories about bakeries and wedding photographers being forced to accommodate these perverts<<--(No apologies to be forthcoming) or else go out of business.

THE question: How is this going to play out in the churches?

Are the churches going to be forced to perform same sex marriages?

Is there a Constitutional protection against the government/courts from enforcing what many will call the 'equal rights' amendment on churches?

What are your opinions?
Now who was begging you to ask this question? Huh?  :tounge:

In our history as a nation, churches in general have been largely free of government impositions, at least as long as they stay on the angels' side of politics. With the notable (and quite remarkable) exception of "black" churches, that has meant that they must not dabble directly in political matters, meaning they can't use their facilities or fashion their services in such a way as to promote or condemn a particular candidate or party. Even if they do so (a few have), it mainly results in their being taxed, rather than actually regulated.

There will be many cases where LGBT couples bring the law to bear in an attempt to force a particular church to comply with their wishes. It is the nature of the Left to want it all their way. The fact that plenty of churches will sprout out of the earth to fulfill the needs of LGBT couples, and many existing churches will bend to their wishes, will not work for some.

But even the preliminary court cases we're seeing now, the silly wedding cake crap, is souring the whole effort already. By and large, the courts are finding that, even when they're so inclined, they have no power to force a private party to comply with LGBT demands. They are going to have an even tougher time with established churches.
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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2014, 12:36:48 AM »
If that wasn't enough to get you thinking ..

Most, if not all 'denominations' are not restricted to the U.S.

What happens if another country passes laws that force Gay marriages in whichever church they choose?

That would seem (to me) as an attack on any churches/denominations that don't have protections under US laws?

I say that a church is more than a building, it is a unified belief.
(Church here meaning any denomination that is world wide)

Let's say that I am a Southern Baptist here in America because I believe in their stance against Gay marriage.

I go to Denmark and the Baptist church there is performing Gay marriages?

Wouldn't that be an attack against the world wide denomination of your choosing?


Denmark has just passed a law that will force churches to participate in gay wedding ceremonies.

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Homosexual couples in Denmark have won the right to get married in any church they choose, even though nearly one third of the country's priests have said they will refuse to carry out the ceremonies.

The country's parliament voted through the new law on same-sex marriage by a large majority, making it mandatory for all churches to conduct gay marriages.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/9317447/Gay-Danish-couples-win-right-to-marry-in-church.html

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BRITAIN’S first gay surrogate parents have launched a legal challenge to the Church of England’s ban on same-sex marriage.

http://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/10617202.Gay_dads_campaign_for_church_wedding/

And yes, I believe that it can happen here!
(Radical leftist Judges on the SC can make it happen through their own activist rulings!)

So here you see .. If you can't destroy them from within .. You can always destroy them from without.
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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2014, 07:30:13 AM »
My Church in Norway allows gay marriage, it is a state owned Church and the official Church of Norway and rightly is name in Norwegian "Statskirken" meaning Statechurch.
http://kirken.no/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Norway

Because it is a government Church the priests need to adhere to the principles of Government which is to be the Norwegian mantra of "all-inclusive" and by that logic allows for Gay marriage.

As a Protestant it doesn't bother me much, our bodies being temple's of God the homosexuals will face judgement when the times comes, it is not for me to judge, but it is my right to choose not to attend these ceremonies. I don't think it is as an attack on all protestant Churches that the government forces Norwegian Churches to perform these gay marriage ceremonies, but it is a slippery path down to totalitarianism and I may be wholly wrong.

The effect of being all inclusive however means that the Church can't stand for anything much less Biblical consistency so the Church has reduced the teaching to the bare bone cookie cutter version of the message of Jesus only being for love. Which is fine, but the result has been a mass exodus from the Statechurch to the smaller sects like latter day saints, Smiths friends, closed pentecostal churches and a magnitude of other sects. For example in my Statechurch with room for about 200 people we are only 8 members for a provincial territory of more than 50,000 people. So the government can enforce gay marriage in Churches but the result will be splintering of the Churches into other more biblical denominations or unofficial Churches.

And I think this is the ultimate goal of same-sex marriage in Churches, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the "rights" of gays, it has everything to do with the destruction of Christianity, by forcing Churches to abandon religious laws they also make Churches to a certain extent meaningless or at least without principles as anything goes, hey it's all-inclusive.

Now we are seeing Churches being converted to religious cultural centers, Godless museums of information about our medieval past as Godfearing slaves to our Churches. Starting to ramble here, I guess my point is that I don't care about homosexuality as long as it does not interfere with the rights of children to have a mother and father or change the Bible to accommodate political correctness, but the agenda behind homosexuality is the destruction of western values and that is the intent of same sex marriage.

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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2014, 08:02:21 AM »
My Church in Norway allows gay marriage, it is a state owned Church and the official Church of Norway and rightly is name in Norwegian "Statskirken" meaning Statechurch.
http://kirken.no/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Norway

A few years ago, I was doing a little research on Ancestry from Norway. Namely naming patterns.  It seems there was a time where a lot of Norwegians didn't even bother getting married.  They lived together and had families like married couples without the benefit of the ceremony.  Their names were taken from whatever farm they were living on.  If they moved to a different farm, they then changed their name to that one.

I had a relative whose name was Williamse, which meant the son of William. Then there was the word "van" then the farm/location name which he came from.



 
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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2014, 05:46:55 AM »
A few years ago, I was doing a little research on Ancestry from Norway. Namely naming patterns.  It seems there was a time where a lot of Norwegians didn't even bother getting married.  They lived together and had families like married couples without the benefit of the ceremony.  Their names were taken from whatever farm they were living on.  If they moved to a different farm, they then changed their name to that one.

I had a relative whose name was Williamse, which meant the son of William. Then there was the word "van" then the farm/location name which he came from.

"Williamsen", yeah "sen" means of son. Not sure what you are referring too, I have never heard this before as having children out of wedlock has been taboo for over 1000 years. But it is true that many people have their names tied to their land because they have farmed the land for generations, but it doesn't sound correct that workers would take the name of their momentary workplace when Norwegians have always placed much emphasis on the last name of men, try reading one of the Viking Sagas, the first 10 pages is basically who is son of who and lineages.

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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2014, 08:51:05 PM »
A few years ago, I was doing a little research on Ancestry from Norway. Namely naming patterns.  It seems there was a time where a lot of Norwegians didn't even bother getting married.  They lived together and had families like married couples without the benefit of the ceremony.  Their names were taken from whatever farm they were living on.  If they moved to a different farm, they then changed their name to that one.

I had a relative whose name was Williamse, which meant the son of William. Then there was the word "van" then the farm/location name which he came from.

A while back, an American author named Tom Clancy wrote a novel called "Red Storm Rising." In that book, as part of one of the sub-plots, he described the naming customs of Iceland, a country with firm roots in Norway. One of his characters was named "Vigdis Agustdottir," which meant that she was Vigdis, daughter of August. That was her name forever. No marriage would or could change it. Within the plot of the book, Vigdis was pregnant, and the father was unknown, but the way the naming customs are described, that made no difference.

Is that how things are in Scandinavia?  :smile:
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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2014, 12:36:11 AM »
A while back, an American author named Tom Clancy wrote a novel called "Red Storm Rising." In that book, as part of one of the sub-plots, he described the naming customs of Iceland, a country with firm roots in Norway. One of his characters was named "Vigdis Agustdottir," which meant that she was Vigdis, daughter of August. That was her name forever. No marriage would or could change it. Within the plot of the book, Vigdis was pregnant, and the father was unknown, but the way the naming customs are described, that made no difference.

Is that how things are in Scandinavia?  :smile:

Like you said the Icelandic traditions are based on the Pagan Viking traditions, and Icelandic is how people used to speak in Norway before Denmark conquered Norway through marriage. It has been the tradition for several hundred years for the woman to take the last name of the Husband, though now due to most children being born out of marriage have the combined last name of both parents with a hyphen combining them to one name, in liberal marriages husband and wife do the same combining their name. This new liberal tradition is stupid in my opinion, if nothing else just the inefficiency of it, most parents want to throw as many middle names in as possible as well so you get people with 5-6 names which is tedious to say the least, our social number is/has become our real name in any case. The things that is sad about forsaking the tradition of using the last name of the man is that old names will start to die out and be replaced by mishmash.

Is it the same in the US?

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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2015, 09:02:53 PM »
Here is a question begging to be asked!

With the non-ruling/ruling by the Supremacist Court yesterday, it would seem that the homosexual movement is moving into high gear!

We have all seen the stories about bakeries and wedding photographers being forced to accommodate these perverts<<--(No apologies to be forthcoming) or else go out of business.

THE question: How is this going to play out in the churches?

Are the churches going to be forced to perform same sex marriages?

Is there a Constitutional protection against the government/courts from enforcing what many will call the 'equal rights' amendment on churches?

What are your opinions?

Yes there is, it's called the first amendment. Which is also why there shouldn't be an issue of "gay rights" in the first place. Government has zero business placing itself, in what was and has always traditionally been a religious ceremony. Once Government said hey we can liscence this, and tax this, then Government also said, guess what the doors open to any citizen who wants in on it too.
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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2015, 09:00:10 AM »
Church buildings and congregations won't be targeted but I have no doubt that Church run institutions will be such as schools, hospitals, etc. will be targeted in whatever way they can be. 

We are in a dangerous position right now in America.

Simply put, the Left has ruined the supreme court. The supreme court has simply become a more exclusive version of the legislature due to "progressives" who think the constitution should be ripped in every direction for the sake of their ideology.

If the constitution can mean anything to these people, then it seems it also means nothing. The rights of Christians will be trampled for the sake of the liberal god "Prog the Incomprehensible", which includes an almost religious devotion to some abstract idea of progress that the Left places at the center of everything.
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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2015, 08:40:37 AM »
     The Presbyterian Church of America (PCUSA) has been dealing with the gay marriage issue for several years , now. As the church leadership becomes increasingly dominated by the liberal side, the conservative side has tended to state their case and, when rebuked, resign. As a result, the denomination is the fastest shrinking
in America, down to I think a little more than two from a fairly recently stabilized membership of about
six (million.)
      There are very clear indications that this reform group was laying plans at least as early as the late 1970's and early 1980's, judging by some of the legislative changes discretely written in those years. The legislation and the "movement," if we can call it that, rode in on the backs of female issues,  such as ordination of women, women as deacons, etc. The good ol' Presbyterians, never ones to rock the boat, took it that when Mom is happy, everyone is happy.
      You find more of this by reading up on the Presbyterian Lay Committee, which has been the venue for
vocal opposition.  If it were not for the internet, there would be much less discussion.  Must be politically correct here, now, must we not?   http://www.layman.org/

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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2015, 08:02:20 AM »
Here is a question begging to be asked!

With the non-ruling/ruling by the Supremacist Court yesterday, it would seem that the homosexual movement is moving into high gear!

We have all seen the stories about bakeries and wedding photographers being forced to accommodate these perverts<<--(No apologies to be forthcoming) or else go out of business.

THE question: How is this going to play out in the churches?

Are the churches going to be forced to perform same sex marriages?

Is there a Constitutional protection against the government/courts from enforcing what many will call the 'equal rights' amendment on churches?

What are your opinions?
Yes it's called the first ammendment. That said though, did the court rule on the recent challenge's? Missed about 24 hours of the news cycle here and well now day's that puts ya waaaaaaaaaaaay behind lol. And I"ve been trying to keep up with that case in particular as it challenges what the people of my state said. NO to same sex marriages. And well I just hate, court nullification of what the voters cast their votes to do. Especially when there is zero Constitutional grounds for the Federal Government to be involved.
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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2015, 12:38:11 PM »
Yes it's called the first ammendment. That said though, did the court rule on the recent challenge's? Missed about 24 hours of the news cycle here and well now day's that puts ya waaaaaaaaaaaay behind lol. And I"ve been trying to keep up with that case in particular as it challenges what the people of my state said. NO to same sex marriages. And well I just hate, court nullification of what the voters cast their votes to do. Especially when there is zero Constitutional grounds for the Federal Government to be involved.
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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2015, 07:13:39 PM »
When the homosexuals began making their cases for equal treatment under the law, did they have any idea the the Progressives would pick up that banner and use it to squeeze more power and money for themselves out of the two party system they so diligently manipulate? I wonder.

Going back to those earnest sounding debates in the institutional halls of power -- academia, humanities, the movies, the pulpits  --  was the  mission end game an understood quantity and quality? Would not be the first time the left winked and nodded behind the public's back.

Now, with Obama and the Supremes in their corner, the left is really making the case for rectal intimacy and child molestation.

Koran all right with ISIS fighters "enjoying young boys."

http://www.aina.org/news/20150601143438.htm
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Re: Homosexual Agenda?
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2015, 02:54:11 PM »
Church buildings and congregations won't be targeted but I have no doubt that Church run institutions will be such as schools, hospitals, etc. will be targeted in whatever way they can be. 

We are in a dangerous position right now in America.

Simply put, the Left has ruined the supreme court. The supreme court has simply become a more exclusive version of the legislature due to "progressives" who think the constitution should be ripped in every direction for the sake of their ideology.

If the constitution can mean anything to these people, then it seems it also means nothing. The rights of Christians will be trampled for the sake of the liberal god "Prog the Incomprehensible", which includes an almost religious devotion to some abstract idea of progress that the Left places at the center of everything.
I do believe you have hit on it. We can not count on the supreme court rulings to follow the Constitution as they now sit (just look at the dog and pony show Roberts put on when he announced the ruling on obamacare) and if one or two "conservative" judges gets replaced we will be able to count on several rulings being overturned.

 

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