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Re: General 2nd Amendment question.
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2014, 08:30:44 AM »
Hi,
 Yea pretty much.  It is an organized belief and I think there are now Atheist churches.
"We have come here today, to praise nothing" that's all, now go home and and reflect on what you've learned today.
Oh, and please, show an expression of your lack of faith when the donation basket is passed around.... :lol:

You do realize these so called churches are nothing but a childish insult directed at those that do believe, and just another offspring of the Marxist movement, in an effort to bring more into the godless flock of communism, right?

These people are simply useful idiots of the Marxists.
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Re: General 2nd Amendment question.
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2014, 11:22:22 AM »
"We have come here today, to praise nothing" that's all, now go home and and reflect on what you've learned today.
Oh, and please, show an expression of your lack of faith when the donation basket is passed around.... :lol:

You do realize these so called churches are nothing but a childish insult directed at those that do believe, and just another offspring of the Marxist movement, in an effort to bring more into the godless flock of communism, right?

These people are simply useful idiots of the Marxists.
Hi,
  Yea, you have a point there.  Ok, I had to reread that.  I wasn't sure if atheism itself was a childish insult, but I do see your point about atheist churches.
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Re: General 2nd Amendment question.
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2014, 12:01:46 PM »
Hi,
  Yea, you have a point there.  Ok, I had to reread that.  I wasn't sure if atheism itself was a childish insult, but I do see your point about atheist churches.
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I have no issue with atheists, though I do take issue with these idiots claiming it''s a religion?
These are nothing but fools doing the work of Marxists.
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Re: General 2nd Amendment question.
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2014, 12:10:26 PM »
I have no issue with atheists, though I do take issue with these idiots claiming it''s a religion?
These are nothing but fools doing the work of Marxists.
Hi,
  I understood what you meant.
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Re: General 2nd Amendment question.
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2014, 11:19:47 AM »
That's why I said "major religions." As for coexisting, please explain how support for abortion on demand dovetails with "Thou shalt not kill." Please explain how support for gay marriage fits in with any major religion on Earth. Please explain how an overriding concern and willingness to punish men for the sake of preserving an obscure animal (like the delta smelt, e.g., among many others) goes along with the concept of mankind created in the image of God and the provision of the Earth and all its creatures for mankind's use and pleasure.

It reminds me of a saying I've heard about fishermen. There are good fishermen and there are impatient fishermen, but there are no good impatient fishermen.
Hi,
  I'll retract part of that statement, it wasn't the most fair statement anyway.  To touch on some of the issues though...

  At least from what I have seen homosexuality (gay marriage) is only truly looked down on in Christianity and Islam.  Hinduism doesn't seem to have a huge issue with it.  Buddhism is ok with it's regular followers engaging in it, but doesn't want it's monks/nuns engaging in it.  The Folk Religions (which do count as a major religion), really don't have a problem with it either. 
 
  Granted I understand why Christianity and Islam would have a problem with it.  I believe that the struggle for survival (at that point) would have demanded that all available/ of age people procreate.

  Most religions including Christianity say that humans are stewards of the earth.  I don't know how they all would look at the extinction of a species versus humanities survival or convenience.  Over all the thought seems to be closer to environmental stewardship and sustainability. 
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Re: General 2nd Amendment question.
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2014, 11:33:42 AM »
Hi,
  I need help trying to translate the 2nd Amendment for someone I know.  "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/second_amendment
  He is trying to interpret it to say that guns are only legal within a militia or military setting.  Basically you can have a gun only if you are part of these groups.  I already stated here that my dislike of guns does not give me the right to change the Constitution.

Here's what your friend is doing wrong.  Look at the structure of the sentence:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

The structure of the sentence is:  "Because A is true, B."  He's changing it to "If A is true, then B."   Fundamentally different logic.

Think about also what he's saying in terms of what the bill of rights is.

- The Constitution cedes certain, enumerated powers from the people to to the Federal government.
- The 10th amendment says that powers not ceded by the people to the Federal government are prohibited to the Federal government.
- The bill of rights says here are particular things the Federal government cannot do.

So in the middle of reserving powers for the people and prohibiting them from the Federal government, he's arguing that they decided to have government give itself the right to have guns.   :huh:

In that day, the militias were not government, they were citizens.   What the 2nd amendment says in reality is:

Because the people have the right to defend themselves, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged.
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Re: General 2nd Amendment question.
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2014, 07:26:44 PM »
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The second amendment concerns two rights -  1) Right to well regulated militia, 2) Right to bear arms. Let's break it down:

[The right to]

A) A well regulated militia (being necessary to the security of a free state)
B) Right of the people to keep and bear arms

Shall not be infringed.

 

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