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Constitutional Ignorance
« on: April 07, 2018, 02:57:53 PM »
The vast majority of people who believe that the government has the right to regulate gun ownership by passing new laws ... have a poor understanding of our Constitution!

Most of the arguments about the Second Amendment ... made by both sides, revolve around a single assumption - that the Second Amendment grants a citizen the right to bear arms.

What both sides fail to understand is that the Second Amendment grants no such right, in fact, the Constitution grants no rights at all!

What the Constitution does do is identify what powers the people grant to the government.

This is the whole purpose of the Constitution - to tell the government what it can and cannot do, our Constitution is a limit on government.

That is why Marxists, Socialist, Progressive Democrats, et al. have such a disdain for our Constitution .. it is a limitation on Government, not a limitation on We The People.

Read the Second Amendment closely.
Nowhere does it state that the people have a right to bear arms but rather that the government cannot infringe on that right.

The framers of our Constitution believed that our right to bear arms is a natural right , not a right to be given to us by government.


Amendment II

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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

That’s it, that is the whole 2nd Amendment.
Where does it say that the government gives us any right?
It doesn’t, it only says that the government cannot infringe on this right.

And when the often used argument arises that we will all be safer if we pass (another) gun law .. I am reminded on how one of our Founding Fathers would respond to that ..

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"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery".

Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

Put another way: I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude..

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Today, when a concerted effort is made to obliterate this point, it cannot be repeated too often that the Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals- that it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government- that it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen’s protection against the government.Ayn Rand
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Re: Constitutional Ignorance
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2018, 03:38:23 AM »
Most of the Bill of Rights reads the same way as the second.

NOWHERE does it state "the people shall be granted this or that right."  Rather, the amendments are stated in a way that assumes the people ALREADY HAVE THOSE RIGHTS, and forbids government from interfering or limiting what we already possess.

It all goes back to the document which actually founded this nation: The Declaration of Independence. (The Constitution founded our GOVERNMENT; we were already an independent nation.)

"WE hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. ---- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ---- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People, to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

That is the very basis for the manner the Constitution was written: The assumption that not only do people have certain rights inherent in simply being human; but also that the primary purpose of government itself is to assure those rights are protected.

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Re: Constitutional Ignorance
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2018, 04:50:03 AM »
The vast majority of people who believe that the government has the right to regulate gun ownership by passing new laws ... have a poor understanding of our Constitution!

Most of the arguments about the Second Amendment ... made by both sides, revolve around a single assumption - that the Second Amendment grants a citizen the right to bear arms.

What both sides fail to understand is that the Second Amendment grants no such right, in fact, the Constitution grants no rights at all!

What the Constitution does do is identify what powers the people grant to the government.

This is the whole purpose of the Constitution - to tell the government what it can and cannot do, our Constitution is a limit on government.

That is why Marxists, Socialist, Progressive Democrats, et al. have such a disdain for our Constitution .. it is a limitation on Government, not a limitation on We The People.

Read the Second Amendment closely.
Nowhere does it state that the people have a right to bear arms but rather that the government cannot infringe on that right.

The framers of our Constitution believed that our right to bear arms is a natural right , not a right to be given to us by government.


Amendment II

That’s it, that is the whole 2nd Amendment.
Where does it say that the government gives us any right?
It doesn’t, it only says that the government cannot infringe on this right.

And when the often used argument arises that we will all be safer if we pass (another) gun law .. I am reminded on how one of our Founding Fathers would respond to that ..

Put another way: I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude..

Thanks for reminding us of exactly what the Constitution is and means. I always recall how Obama lamented about how the Constitution limited what the government could do. That is one thing he got right.
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Re: Constitutional Ignorance
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2018, 11:04:14 AM »
Thanks for reminding us of exactly what the Constitution is and means. I always recall how Obama lamented about how the Constitution limited what the government could do. That is one thing he got right.
Never got in his way though!  :angry:
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Re: Constitutional Ignorance
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2018, 12:10:44 PM »
I wonder how many realize that this wide-spread "constitutional ignorance" is by design.  One of the very first things the Democrats did after creating the federal Department of Education in 1980 was to abolish the high school civics requirements.  After all, if voters understood how their own government functioned they might actually hold politicians accountable.

 

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