What would you do?

Started by Solar, August 02, 2014, 10:34:31 AM

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Apocalypse NOW: Killer solar superstorm could destroy Earth at ANY MOMENT, scientists warn

I ask this question for one reason, are you prepared "enough"?
If this happens, it won't be an immediate catastrophe, but one which will continue to unfold as weeks go by, food, water, the essentials of life will be increasingly in short supply.
Sure, there will be people stranded, planes not flying, people in somewhat of a panic because TV, radio, cell phones will all be down, but it will only get worse from there.

So the question is, do you have a readiness plan for your family, where you'll will meet, will probably be one of the most important issues, family comes first..
And who's in charge of the bugout bag?

QuoteIt is "only a matter of time" before a catastrophic eruption on the surface of the sun hurtles towards the planet with devastating consequences.

The Earth could be the target of an explosion equivalent to "10 billion Hiroshima bombs exploding at the same time".

It has emerged crisis meetings have been held to discuss how to limit the damage of solar superstorms which present a "long-lasting" threat to all forms of life.

Scientists warn communication systems will be crippled, vital services such as transport, sanitation and medicine will close, and loss of power will plunge the planet into darkness.

Ashley Dale, member of international task force SolarMAX set up to identify the risks of a solar storm, said: "Without power, people would struggle to fuel their cars at petrol stations, get money from cash dispensers or pay online.

"Water and sewage systems would be affected too, meaning that health epidemics in urbanised areas would quickly take
a grip, with diseases we thought we had left behind centuries ago soon returning."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/494438/End-of-world-alert-solar-flares-destroy-earth-scientists-warn
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Yes, There is a readiness plan. Everybody is in charge of there own buggout bag, and in some relations, when it is applicable, certain people have access to others private information if it needs to be recovered. Not all buggout bags have identical items in the same group. So, if a solar flare fries my butt, Elfie has access to my secret recipes after the radiation cools down here. Or maybe another group member knows where cache #Aa3612 is but thinks it is filled with oatmeal.
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Quote from: Eyesabide on August 06, 2014, 10:46:41 AM
Yes, There is a readiness plan. Everybody is in charge of there own buggout bag, and in some relations, when it is applicable, certain people have access to others private information if it needs to be recovered. Not all buggout bags have identical items in the same group. So, if a solar flare fries my butt, Elfie has access to my secret recipes after the radiation cools down here. Or maybe another group member knows where cache #Aa3612 is but thinks it is filled with oatmeal.
That's a good idea, having differently equipped bags.
But the quandary Toy and I have run into is being able to contact one another in the event of  flare.

She works down in the valley and I'm in the mountains about 60 miles away.
Of course she has a designated route to take, so I know where to begin searching, but a 60 mile walk up into the mountains, with God knows what kind of obstacles in her way, could take a week to get home.

Any suggestions? We have walkie talkies, but again, mountains restrict communication beyond 6 miles.
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Quote from: Solar on August 06, 2014, 10:59:45 AM
That's a good idea, having differently equipped bags.
But the quandary Toy and I have run into is being able to contact one another in the event of  flare.

She works down in the valley and I'm in the mountains about 60 miles away.
Of course she has a designated route to take, so I know where to begin searching, but a 60 mile walk up into the mountains, with God knows what kind of obstacles in her way, could take a week to get home.

Any suggestions? We have walkie talkies, but again, mountains restrict communication beyond 6 miles.
My biggest concern is water. For discussion sake, is she carrying her supply or have you established sources along the route or placed caches at hidden locations? At about 8 pounds a gallon, carrying enough for a 7 day walk up hill would be a burden for me, let alone your wife. Have you walked it to even see if its possible? I hope I'm not prying into what you consider personal information.

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Quote from: Possumpoint on August 08, 2014, 04:53:01 AM
My biggest concern is water. For discussion sake, is she carrying her supply or have you established sources along the route or placed caches at hidden locations? At about 8 pounds a gallon, carrying enough for a 7 day walk up hill would be a burden for me, let alone your wife. Have you walked it to even see if its possible? I hope I'm not prying into what you consider personal information.
Thanks PP, all good questions.
The bugout bag she has comes with a two week supply. But you raise an interesting point.
Is packing all that water necessary, when I could supply her with a pocket purifier because there are creeks all along the way, though she'll still need it to cook with..

Yes, the designated route is straight up the mountains along hwy 50, with one bend, otherwise 30 miles straight up with a gradual climb to 2500 feet, at which point I could drive down and pick her up.

This is where the problem comes in, communication will most likely still be out, and that last 15 miles to the house has another 2500' climb starting at a major river.
Hopefully the last 15 will still be open considering they aren't really main thoroughfares.

I think I better get her a pistol to stick in that bag now that I think about it.
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In the reading I've been doing for the past year, fictional EOTWAWKI, a woman walking along a road would become target rich about the 2nd day after an event. Is there another route she can take? Is it possible to hold cover paralleling the road? Are there power line R/W's or RR beds that can be used?  I realize that going off road would slow down her trip by a large factor. It's that or having a large ammo supply on hand.

The bug out bag would be an attractant in itself, then there is the female factor. How skilled is she going to be at setting up a desecrate camp and cooking without attracting unwanted attention? Have you and her practiced it?

Just raising questions as they occur to me.

Solar

Quote from: Possumpoint on August 08, 2014, 02:01:14 PM
In the reading I've been doing for the past year, fictional EOTWAWKI, a woman walking along a road would become target rich about the 2nd day after an event. Is there another route she can take? Is it possible to hold cover paralleling the road? Are there power line R/W's or RR beds that can be used?  I realize that going off road would slow down her trip by a large factor. It's that or having a large ammo supply on hand.

The bug out bag would be an attractant in itself, then there is the female factor. How skilled is she going to be at setting up a desecrate camp and cooking without attracting unwanted attention? Have you and her practiced it?

Just raising questions as they occur to me.
Fortunately we live in an area of extremely low crime, self sufficient minded Conservative kind of people that still pull over an offer help.
That's why I'm having her stick to the freeway, safety in numbers, assuming everyone is on foot.
Aside the risk of summer forest fires, mt lions and bears along with seriously rugged country.
Her bugout bag looks like a regular backpack, so she really shouldn't attract too much attention.

As for cooking, her first few days out can consist of self heating meals, and the tent is really nothing more than a giant plastic bag with a hoop opening.
But thanks for making suggestions, you never know what you can overlook until you're in trouble.

But again, our only real stumbling block will be communication
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kit saginaw

It's too broad of a situation to contemplate because communication ideas will occur to you in-the-moment.

-Versus not allowing your exact location to be easily pinpointed.   


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Signal-fires...  fresh-cut pine-branches in a rock-clearing, triangulated. 

Carrier-pigeons after awhile.  Message-arrows.  Battery-powered scarecrow 'cannon'.  Chinese lanterns at duskfall. 

Mountainshield

If it turned into a sociological disaster where essential utilities and the market broke down, I would definitely head up to the family home in the mountains where it's isolated and my family date back over 600 years, very defensible too with a river, few bridge crossings, lots of fresh water and food. My only problem is it's a 6 hours drive, I don't have a car, I don't have a bugout bag, I only have my shotgun... If that place was unavailable I would go to a Island where my father has a vacation house with rifles, underwater tunnel, easy to defend, my only problem there would be the locals. If I owned a house though I would start making it a bunker on the inside. Why wouldn't you stay at your own property and defend it instead of going into the forest/mountain Red Dawn style?

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Quote from: Mountainshield on August 10, 2014, 03:17:25 AM
If it turned into a sociological disaster where essential utilities and the market broke down, I would definitely head up to the family home in the mountains where it's isolated and my family date back over 600 years, very defensible too with a river, few bridge crossings, lots of fresh water and food. My only problem is it's a 6 hours drive, I don't have a car, I don't have a bugout bag, I only have my shotgun... If that place was unavailable I would go to a Island where my father has a vacation house with rifles, underwater tunnel, easy to defend, my only problem there would be the locals. If I owned a house though I would start making it a bunker on the inside. Why wouldn't you stay at your own property and defend it instead of going into the forest/mountain Red Dawn style?
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I was going to say you're screwed. No car, 6 hrs out, unprepared, and then you mentioned the equalizer.
Hit a car lot and take your pick.
Hell, if things go to shit, the last thing anyone is going to do, is try and sell cars, and the cops will be way to busy to care.

I guess from the answers, there really is no answer to communication, which makes me rethink my plan.
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Quote from: Solar on August 10, 2014, 05:24:52 AM
I guess from the answers, there really is no answer to communication, which makes me rethink my plan.

That's because you based the topic on a solar-flare event.  We've never had one that did anything.  The reporter is essentially an alarmist laughingstock in the UK;

http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-express-and-its-unmatched-accurate.html

He only references 'The Carrington Event of 1859', which only knocked-out telegraph-power from Boston to Portland, Maine for 2 hours.  And somebody figured-out that if they kept unplugging, then plugging the battery-leads back in, Boston could send signals in a 30-mile radius without a problem till everything was restored.



   


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Quote from: kit saginaw on August 10, 2014, 07:05:55 PM
That's because you based the topic on a solar-flare event.  We've never had one that did anything.  The reporter is essentially an alarmist laughingstock in the UK;

http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-express-and-its-unmatched-accurate.html

He only references 'The Carrington Event of 1859', which only knocked-out telegraph-power from Boston to Portland, Maine for 2 hours.  And somebody figured-out that if they kept unplugging, then plugging the battery-leads back in, Boston could send signals in a 30-mile radius without a problem till everything was restored.

   
Actually the 1859 event was powerful enough to start fires on the telegraph lines and in telegraph offices setting papers on fire, this was not isolated to the US, Europe was impacted as well.

But that's beside the point, I only used the article to start discussion on whether or not one was prepared for a different kind of emergency.

However, my background is electronics, and sadly most electrical devices today are not protected from internal surge, unless they were built with a Faraday cage enclosure, and that includes many of the cars on the road due to a high use of plastics are very susceptible to failure.

Thing is, we don't know how often and how severe these storms can be since we've only been using electricity for little over a century.

Then there's the issue of a tactical EMP blast which could and most likely would knock us back to the early 19th century and most people simply don't know how to function with out their electronics, from TV and radio, to a lack of transportation, not to mention refrigeration failing, in some cases no heat in the homes, water systems failing because pumps aren't running.

Satellites knocking out communication, planes flying blind depending of time of day and weather, subways stopped, traffic jams, people losing patience and anger builds quickly.
Then there are the opportunists looting and rioting.

All of this leads to panic and people doing some real stupid things.

So I'll ask, are you prepared?
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Yeah.  As prepared as in knowing where horses are, or a boat.  I know the Country and Canada.  My best bet is to cross Lake Erie and head North.  It all becomes adventures in fishing and trapping after that, I suspect.   

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Quote from: kit saginaw on August 11, 2014, 05:53:47 AM
Yeah.  As prepared as in knowing where horses are, or a boat.  I know the Country and Canada.  My best bet is to cross Lake Erie and head North.  It all becomes adventures in fishing and trapping after that, I suspect.   
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That's the right attitude.
Seriously, If I were single, I'd probably do the same.
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