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General Category => Survival Tips => Topic started by: Solar on November 02, 2012, 08:38:01 PM

Title: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solar on November 02, 2012, 08:38:01 PM
Granted most who post here are prepared, but to those that don't, this should be a real wake up call.
Super Storm hits the East Coast and even those somewhat prepared will still have to deal with the idiots that assumed Govt would be there to help them.
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From Drudge headlines....

QuoteDrivers Waiting 6 Hours For Gas in NYC...
Tempers Rise in Wake of Storm...
'Finding bodies left and right'...
Restaurant, hotel prices skyrocket...
CHUCK SCHUMER CONFRONTED: 'We Are Gonna Die!'
CRAIGSLIST: $15 a gallon...
Utility workers pelted with eggs...
Misery...
'We have nothing'...
Residents Furious RED CROSS Offering Cookies & Hot Chocolate, Not Blankets Or Clothes...
Jet Fuel Supply Fast Becoming Concern At Airports...
Staten Islanders Plead for Help: 'We Need Food'...
'Please don't leave us'...
Stranded New Yorkers Defecating in Apartment Buildings...
DIRE...
NJ counties enact 70s style gas rationing... Developing...

Just think, if these people had all prepared and stocked up just one week worth of provisions, the effect would have been more manageable, granted the power is out, gas is off, but a few cans of Sterno and a full tank of gas and beans and pasta with a couple of 5 gallon buckets of water would keep you off the streets and safe.

Probably all would cost around one hundred bucks, excluding gas of course.

I hope those that lurk here can use this as a lesson and maybe avoid being a victim.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solar on November 02, 2012, 08:57:41 PM
The lines for food is another headache one can avoid if prepared.

QuoteThe vast majority of those waiting in mile-long long food lines, rummaging through the trash, and criticizing their government officials for a slow and insufficient response have no one to blame but themselves. This may be harsh – but it's true.
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Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: walkstall on November 02, 2012, 09:01:52 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 02, 2012, 08:38:01 PM
Granted most who post here are prepared, but to those that don't, this should be a real wake up call.
Super Storm hits the East Coast and even those somewhat prepared will still have to deal with the idiots that assumed Govt would be there to help them.
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From Drudge headlines....

Just think, if these people had all prepared and stocked up just one week worth of provisions, the effect would have been more manageable, granted the power is out, gas is off, but a few cans of Sterno and a full tank of gas and beans and pasta with a couple of 5 gallon buckets of water would keep you off the streets and safe.

Probably all would cost around one hundred bucks, excluding gas of course.

I hope those that lurk here can use this as a lesson and maybe avoid being a victim.

I have 4 30 lb tank that holds 7 gallons each of propane. Two on the RV and two for around the house.  (BBQ) and shop work.   
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solar on November 02, 2012, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: walkstall on November 02, 2012, 09:01:52 PM
I have 4 30 lb tank that holds 7 gallons each of propane. Two on the RV and two for around the house.  (BBQ) and shop work.
I'd be willing to bet the only gas these people had was in a Bic lighter.

I just filled our 500 gallon propane tank, and the 2500 gallon holding water tank over flows daily by a solar pump.
But I still won't feel right till I get another 12 months of food supplies.
You just never know what Mother Nature will throw at you.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: walkstall on November 02, 2012, 09:32:55 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 02, 2012, 09:17:08 PM
I'd be willing to bet the only gas these people had was in a Bic lighter.

I just filled our 500 gallon propane tank, and the 2500 gallon holding water tank over flows daily by a solar pump.
But I still won't feel right till I get another 12 months of food supplies.
You just never know what Mother Nature will throw at you.

I have been through 4 earthquakes that really get your attention and one volcano eruptions in my life time.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solar on November 03, 2012, 07:27:03 AM
Quote from: walkstall on November 02, 2012, 09:32:55 PM
I have been through 4 earthquakes that really get your attention and one volcano eruptions in my life time.
I doubt even 1% of these people effected by this storm will prepare for the next one.
Some people never learn.

You and I live so far from the city, that it's only natural to stock up on supplies.

If I never had to enter the Capital again, I'd be one happy guy, so the more supplies I have on hand, the less I have to expose my self to the liberal hub of failed policy.

I just bought two 20' shipping cargo containers, one will be devoted to food 2/3 rds and 1/3rd to crap I'll never use.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Eyesabide on November 03, 2012, 08:22:46 PM
In the next year or two, I will be an apartment dweller. There is a wildlife management area that I will cache and grid as well as many unimproved lots that  will have "Grab and Go" caches in. A public building and a Church will also have Caches in case I get forced into them. There are lots of hiding places for site appropriate barter items. Some of these caches are already in place. I do not have the advantages of a permanent country site, the most likely disasters are flooding and hurricane or tornados.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Possumpoint on November 03, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
I thought I had prepared properly. Got to thinking, running two generators, consuming about .6 a gallon a hour for 18 hours a day would use up my 27 gallon plus stock of gasoline in 3 days. I'd be standing in line just like those in the first two pictures, facing a rationing system.

Either I increase my gasoline storage or change my consumption rate. The best choice is a combination of both. Think I'm going to investigate a outside connection for a generator and then only use one. Storing more gas cans isn't high on my wanna list.  Not sure, but think I'd have zoning problems with an above ground tank. Would be an obvious target in any event.

As for food, I'd only have problems if I lost the house in a sudden event. Given enough time, much of the food storage could be transferred to the get and go RV if a bug out is required. 
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: walkstall on November 03, 2012, 09:29:18 PM
Quote from: Possumpoint on November 03, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
I thought I had prepared properly. Got to thinking, running two generators, consuming about .6 a gallon a hour for 18 hours a day would use up my 27 gallon plus stock of gasoline in 3 days. I'd be standing in line just like those in the first two pictures, facing a rationing system.

Either I increase my gasoline storage or change my consumption rate. The best choice is a combination of both. Think I'm going to investigate a outside connection for a generator and then only use one. Storing more gas cans isn't high on my wanna list.  Not sure, but think I'd have zoning problems with an above ground tank. Would be an obvious target in any event.

As for food, I'd only have problems if I lost the house in a sudden event. Given enough time, much of the food storage could be transferred to the get and go RV if a bug out is required.

PP think about changing over to propane generator(s) as back up. 
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: kramarat on November 04, 2012, 05:31:22 AM
It never ceases to amaze me, that people have a week or more lead time that a hurricane is approaching, and they do nothing to prepare. WTF? :confused:
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solar on November 04, 2012, 06:45:00 AM
Quote from: Possumpoint on November 03, 2012, 08:56:41 PM
I thought I had prepared properly. Got to thinking, running two generators, consuming about .6 a gallon a hour for 18 hours a day would use up my 27 gallon plus stock of gasoline in 3 days. I'd be standing in line just like those in the first two pictures, facing a rationing system.

Either I increase my gasoline storage or change my consumption rate. The best choice is a combination of both. Think I'm going to investigate a outside connection for a generator and then only use one. Storing more gas cans isn't high on my wanna list.  Not sure, but think I'd have zoning problems with an above ground tank. Would be an obvious target in any event.

As for food, I'd only have problems if I lost the house in a sudden event. Given enough time, much of the food storage could be transferred to the get and go RV if a bug out is required.
A couple of options for you PP, one is a tiny second generator that only runs lights and pooter, TV etc.
The other is a couple of deep cycle batteries and a cheap inverter that can run a light and TV , radio, computer for a few hours between running the generator, you'll just need a good battery charger to keep them up.
I'm assuming refrigeration is your big concern, which doesn't need to run more than four hrs in a 24 hr period.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solar on November 04, 2012, 06:49:44 AM
Quote from: kramarat on November 04, 2012, 05:31:22 AM
It never ceases to amaze me, that people have a week or more lead time that a hurricane is approaching, and they do nothing to prepare. WTF? :confused:
Govt will help me?
Talk about stupid, I'm with you K, if someone told me I would be without power for a week or more, gas will be turned off, stations will run out, (which they were warned about by the way) I'd get the Hell out of town.

Why in the world do these people put themselves in the position of relying on govt, a Govt that has a track record of incompetence? :blink:
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Elfie on November 04, 2012, 12:21:32 PM
From watching everything unfold,,I have learned a few things....D batteries will go first,,,,I need more tent heaters with the little canisters.  I need rocks,,sounds weird I know but make fire heat rocks helps warm a bed at night or toes or under pipes so they dont freeze.... I need more caned meats and veggies and fruits....and another coleman camp stove... I have one at the camper but not here.... and a 3 wheel bike with baskets,,,,, yep.... thats a good start on what I've learned so far....
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Possumpoint on November 04, 2012, 01:43:07 PM
Thanks Walkstall and Solar for your suggestions. Better use of my resources would be required for any extended outage.

My second major outage at the house was in 20 degree weather. Ran the generators 100% of the time so that I could run the pellet stove and provide heat in the absence of the heat pump. That experience clouded my thinking on how to approach this potential problem.

My wife isn't impressed with my use of multiple extension cords off the generators in any case. My oldest son wired in a separate circuit supplied by a generator. Part of his first floor hasn't been finished yet and he had that luxury. My house is finished and would required more work to achieve the same result.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: walkstall on November 04, 2012, 01:54:49 PM
Quote from: Possumpoint on November 04, 2012, 01:43:07 PM
Thanks Walkstall and Solar for your suggestions. Better use of my resources would be required for any extended outage.

My second major outage at the house was in 20 degree weather. Ran the generators 100% of the time so that I could run the pellet stove and provide heat in the absence of the heat pump. That experience clouded my thinking on how to approach this potential problem.

My wife isn't impressed with my use of multiple extension cords off the generators in any case. My oldest son wired in a separate circuit supplied by a generator. Part of his first floor hasn't been finished yet and he had that luxury. My house is finished and would required more work to achieve the same result.


They have something out now that you can disconnect your outside power. Then connect a generator right into your power panel.  My BIL has set his house that way.  Don't know the name of it or what it cost.  It keep both you and the power co. people safe. 
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solar on November 04, 2012, 04:05:05 PM
Quote from: walkstall on November 04, 2012, 01:54:49 PM

They have something out now that you can disconnect your outside power. Then connect a generator right into your power panel.  My BIL has set his house that way.  Don't know the name of it or what it cost.  It keep both you and the power co. people safe.
By Pass Transfer switch.

I just bought a new diesel generator with one built in, but all I needed it for was so I could start the gen from inside the house, where I installed the transfer switch to cut power from the gen for starting and stopping.
It's nice because if you are hooked to the grid and the power goes out, the gen starts automatically.
They don't cost all that much anymore, but if you aren't comfortable around electricity, I recommend hiring an electrician, should take around four hours to install.

Saves the headache of going out in the weather to start and stop the genset.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: walkstall on November 04, 2012, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 04, 2012, 04:05:05 PM
By Pass Transfer switch.

I just bought a new diesel generator with one built in, but all I needed it for was so I could start the gen from inside the house, where I installed the transfer switch to cut power from the gen for starting and stopping.
It's nice because if you are hooked to the grid and the power goes out, the gen starts automatically.
They don't cost all that much anymore, but if you aren't comfortable around electricity, I recommend hiring an electrician, should take around four hours to install.

Saves the headache of going out in the weather to start and stop the genset.


:thumbsup:      :thumbsup:      :thumbsup:      :thumbsup:      :thumbsup:

:lol: I don't like getting wet!
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solar on November 04, 2012, 04:54:26 PM
Quote from: walkstall on November 04, 2012, 04:28:34 PM

:thumbsup:      :thumbsup:      :thumbsup:      :thumbsup:      :thumbsup:

:lol: I don't like getting wet!
My biggest complaint was waiting for the gen to warm up for three or four minutes before I could throw the breaker.
Now I can stay in the warm house if I have to start it during a snow storm. :smile:
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solars Toy on November 04, 2012, 06:13:08 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 04, 2012, 04:54:26 PM
My biggest complaint was waiting for the gen to warm up for three or four minutes before I could throw the breaker.
Now I can stay in the warm house if I have to start it during a snow storm. :smile:

And i don't have to go out after I am warm and cozy in bed to shut it off....  :smile:
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solar on November 04, 2012, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: Solars Toy on November 04, 2012, 06:13:08 PM
And i don't have to go out after I am warm and cozy in bed to shut it off....  :smile:
:laugh:
Oh that too.
I look at her in bed all bundled up and proclaim "I am the man", I'll throw the switch and pull back the covers and jump in. :biggrin:
Unlike the old days of putting on a robe and slippers after a shower and battling the snow to shut it off.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: WoodBurner on November 05, 2012, 05:50:21 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 02, 2012, 08:38:01 PM
Granted most who post here are prepared, but to those that don't, this should be a real wake up call.
Super Storm hits the East Coast and even those somewhat prepared will still have to deal with the idiots that assumed Govt would be there to help them.
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From Drudge headlines....

Just think, if these people had all prepared and stocked up just one week worth of provisions, the effect would have been more manageable, granted the power is out, gas is off, but a few cans of Sterno and a full tank of gas and beans and pasta with a couple of 5 gallon buckets of water would keep you off the streets and safe.

Probably all would cost around one hundred bucks, excluding gas of course.

I hope those that lurk here can use this as a lesson and maybe avoid being a victim.

I don't remember seeing any lines like that from Joplin Missouri and those people lost everything, except for their courage and determination.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solars Toy on November 06, 2012, 05:44:06 AM
Quote from: WoodBurner on November 05, 2012, 05:50:21 PM
I don't remember seeing any lines like that from Joplin Missouri and those people lost everything, except for their courage and determination.

Different
type" of people.  I am from the Midwest and was raised that you jump in and do, you don't wait for someone to do it for you.  Toy(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmileys.on-my-web.com%2Frepository%2FOthers%2Fothers-085.gif&hash=bb4483f65261fe711c094838679bf433f52aebba) 
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solar on November 06, 2012, 06:21:52 AM
Quote from: Solars Toy on November 06, 2012, 05:44:06 AM
Different
type" of people.  I am from the Midwest and was raised that you jump in and do, you don't wait for someone to do it for you.  Toy(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmileys.on-my-web.com%2Frepository%2FOthers%2Fothers-085.gif&hash=bb4483f65261fe711c094838679bf433f52aebba)
Yep, completely different mentality, especially for those that live with tornadoes, they know life cn change in a second, where as city folk are used to living in the moment.
They don't usually have more than a days worth of food in the fridge they hit takeout regularly.

These people just aren't used to everything being out of order.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: walkstall on November 06, 2012, 07:01:50 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 06, 2012, 06:21:52 AM
Yep, completely different mentality, especially for those that live with tornadoes, they know life cn change in a second, where as city folk are used to living in the moment.
They don't usually have more than a days worth of food in the fridge they hit takeout regularly.

These people just aren't used to everything being out of order.

When we lived in a big town not a big city.  We had a major big food store 4 blocks away.  You could always walk to the store if you did not have it 24/7.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solar on November 06, 2012, 07:12:04 AM
Quote from: walkstall on November 06, 2012, 07:01:50 AM
When we lived in a big town not a big city.  We had a major big food store 4 blocks away.  You could always walk to the store if you did not have it 24/7.
Exactly, it was too convenient.
These people have become so accustomed to having everything within walking distance, that they had no reason to stock up.
False security is always to the detriment of the fool lulled into believing things will always stay the same.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: WoodBurner on November 06, 2012, 04:33:05 PM
Quote from: Solars Toy on November 06, 2012, 05:44:06 AM
Different
type" of people.  I am from the Midwest and was raised that you jump in and do, you don't wait for someone to do it for you.  Toy(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmileys.on-my-web.com%2Frepository%2FOthers%2Fothers-085.gif&hash=bb4483f65261fe711c094838679bf433f52aebba)

Amen Sister
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Elfie on November 12, 2012, 10:09:31 AM
Quote from: Solars Toy on November 06, 2012, 05:44:06 AM
Different
type" of people.  I am from the Midwest and was raised that you jump in and do, you don't wait for someone to do it for you.  Toy(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmileys.on-my-web.com%2Frepository%2FOthers%2Fothers-085.gif&hash=bb4483f65261fe711c094838679bf433f52aebba)
I hear you on that one....;)
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: AndyJackson on January 03, 2013, 11:19:59 AM
I'd rather go low tech if possible.  Rather than generators and all that, I'm more likely to look at more jackets,  blankets and sleeping bags, candles and lots of butane lighters, the small hand crank lights and radios (a bunch of those little, cheap solar walk lights are a smart option), maybe some 5 gallon propane tanks and a grill / camp stove / camp lantern.  A small wood stove is huge if you have a plan to vent the smoke, get some wood, and use it safely.
Title: Re: This Is what happens when you don't prepare
Post by: Solar on January 03, 2013, 01:58:42 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on January 03, 2013, 11:19:59 AM
I'd rather go low tech if possible.  Rather than generators and all that, I'm more likely to look at more jackets,  blankets and sleeping bags, candles and lots of butane lighters, the small hand crank lights and radios (a bunch of those little, cheap solar walk lights are a smart option), maybe some 5 gallon propane tanks and a grill / camp stove / camp lantern.  A small wood stove is huge if you have a plan to vent the smoke, get some wood, and use it safely.
I agree, any preparation is good, but sadly most only consider it and never actually follow through.
Life is simply too easy in the city and people take things for granted.