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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2015, 07:16:14 PM »
I am trying to find someone who specializes in Autism Spectrum Disorders.  It is difficult though to find one in my area. 

Honestly, I don't need therapy.  What I need is two fold:  a.  social skills training and b.  answers to certain questions I have.   Here is where I have a problem with employment.   What employers seem to want are extroverted and social type personalities.  Even if I didn't have Autism I would have issues.  If I presented myself as a personality type that I am not, wouldn't I be dishonest with the employer?  I would be selling them a false bill of goods. 

It's a double bind for me.  I be honest and remain unemployed and on SSDI or I become dishonest, get employed and get off of SSDI.

So how do I be my honest and true self and be employed?  How do I satisfy the conditions of remaining virtuous, honest, becoming and staying employed and being my true self?   This is why I need help from society and/or therapist to not only teach me social skills training but to navigate this contradiction.
Be honest, not all employers want chatty, bubbly employees. There are jobs out there that require solitude, no interaction with others.
Decide what it is you want to do, what your skill sets are, come up with several options, from programmer, to assembly line work, mail clerk for the post office etc.
But by all means, do not lie, you'll get fired if you can't pull it off.

Oh, excuse the typos, spellcheck failed earlier. :glare: :biggrin:
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2015, 06:08:07 AM »
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Fish oil?
I too have an issue. When I was young, up until my 40s, I suffered severe ADHD, with an emphasis on "H" for Hyper, I was so distracted, I got on my own nerves.
So hyper, that I couldn't keep track of items, and had to replace them regularly.

I discovered fish oil in my 30s, for me, it was an amazing cure, my IQ rose an easy 40 points (I had already been tested at 160+ IQ) whenever I took it, and it still works today.
Though what cured my ADHD, was when a deer jumped on my Harley at about 50 mph and I hit the pavement so hard, it crushed all the fillings in my teeth, resulting in a severe concussion and memory loss for a year.
I never recovered certain aspects of my former personality, such as the ability to rattle off 50 or more jokes, yes, I was the comedian at party's, but I don't know what else I lost, since I can't remember what I had.

That was about 10 years ago (I think?), and I still suffer time issues, where an event that happened 5 years ago, seems like it was yesterday.
I also lost my electrician skills, where things used to come naturally, now require extreme concentration.

Though it wasn't a total loss. It used to be a virtual impossibility to sit and type without getting distracted in thought, now I own this forum and typing comes as second nature, and that would be a breeze, if not for the exacerbated symptoms of dyslexia, another side effect of the accident.

Yeah, so give salmon oil a shot, it can't hurt.
Addendum: The IQ test was long before the accident, I've no doubt I've lost a considerable amount of deductive ability and reasoning skills, though other areas of the mind compensate, there is still no making up for the loss.
But like I said, fish oil (Omega 3 fatty acids) are a God send in helping clear up a cloudy thought process.

I know it doesn't work for everyone, but I encourage everyone to try it for at least a week, it can't hurt.
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2015, 07:33:36 AM »
Maybe I misunderstood your premise. I thought you were referring to the constraints of social norms.
Yeah, if you want to remove laws of physics, and your imagination your only limt, then sure, you can be Q.
Here in reality, we call that an acid trip. :wink:

I don't know about acid trips, but I actually am Q and it ain't your call to give it to nobody else, see? (*puts up widdle boxing gloves, bravely braces for the suckerpunch*)

That part about being bound only by an imagination unconstrained by social norms, or my imagination my only limit? Sure. I'm down with that. And that positivity stuff, too. You betcha. Under Obama I'm as positive as positive can get.  :ttoung:


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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2015, 08:16:45 PM »
Be honest, not all employers want chatty, bubbly employees. There are jobs out there that require solitude, no interaction with others.
Decide what it is you want to do, what your skill sets are, come up with several options, from programmer, to assembly line work, mail clerk for the post office etc.
But by all means, do not lie, you'll get fired if you can't pull it off.

Oh, excuse the typos, spellcheck failed earlier. :glare: :biggrin:

Solar, no intention of being rude but you're using a form of reductionism meaning oversimplification of the problem.  Let's say an employer asks "Why do you want to work here?"  Let's say a person doesn't want to work at all but wants to play video games all day.  He knows this is not feasible and has to work.  If he answers truthfully that he doesn't but knows he has to, to support himself will he become employed?  No, employers don't want this answer. This means he has to give a dishonest answer. 

So,

Be honest and remain unemployed therefore satisfying the condition of if one refuses to work he doesn't eat.

Be dishonest, gain possible employment, and be immoral and sinful by being dishonest.

Either way it's a catch-22.  This is another perfect example of reductionism in my paper I posted here entitled "My problems with Personality Advocates." How does one be noble and good?



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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2015, 07:12:27 AM »
Here's what I don't grasp about the maxim of life being unfair and socialism.  Is socialism a form of unfairness?   If life is unfair, socialism is a form of unfairness, it is wrong to complain about the unfairness of life and do something about the unfairness of life then why complain about socialism and fight it to the level you all fight it?

It's inconsistent and it makes no sense.  Here's why

By complaining about socialism and assuming it is a form of unfairness and by complaining and fighting it then you want your own version of fairness.  Why is it ok to fight for fairness in one instance but not other instances?  I don't get it.

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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2015, 07:32:28 AM »
Realistically, most people live together in a society.  If the maxim of Life is what YOU make it is true then this means one has to assume one has control over every aspect of his life, right?  If not, why?  If yes and assuming this maxim applies to everyone across the planet then life is how the majority of people and leaders chooses to make it, correct?  With laws, social standards, etc?  If this is true then the maxim of life is what you make it can't be true since what one can and can't do limited by what the majority and leaders decide. 

Therefore by logic, we can say that It is not true that Life is what you make it.  If this is true then by logic it is somewhat false to state that Life is what you make it. 

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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2015, 07:35:45 AM »
Here's what I don't grasp about the maxim of life being unfair and socialism.  Is socialism a form of unfairness?   If life is unfair, socialism is a form of unfairness, it is wrong to complain about the unfairness of life and do something about the unfairness of life then why complain about socialism and fight it to the level you all fight it?

It's inconsistent and it makes no sense.  Here's why

By complaining about socialism and assuming it is a form of unfairness and by complaining and fighting it then you want your own version of fairness.  Why is it ok to fight for fairness in one instance but not other instances?  I don't get it.

So IF I pay you 50$ an hour.  You have no problems if I as the government take 45$ of that away from you every hour you work.  Along with every thing you do with your money (5$) has to be ok by me.  I only find that life is unfair if you sit back and do nothing to improve your own life or the way you live.
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2015, 09:06:21 AM »
So IF I pay you 50$ an hour.  You have no problems if I as the government take 45$ of that away from you every hour you work.  Along with every thing you do with your money (5$) has to be ok by me.  I only find that life is unfair if you sit back and do nothing to improve your own life or the way you live.

My Answer:

If your scenario is considered unfair, unfairness is a part of life, and if we must accept the unfairness of life as truth that is non-negatable and if all maxims must apply in all instances then since life is unfair one must apply the unfairness of life to this as well.  So, if we apply the maxim of life is unfair then one should have no problem with the government taking $45.00 and the government telling a person what he or she can or can't do with the $5.00 since the maxim must be applied in all instances to remain consistent.

To reject your scenario means one can't accept that life is unfair in all instances.  Therefore, there are cases in which not only one must accept that life is fair but one must demand fairness and fight for fairness. 

In summary, either life is unfair in all instances therefore one should have no problem with said scenario or one must reject the maxim and accept that life is not only fair in some cases but one must make life fair in some cases as well.

Since you believe life is unfair and you believe that your scenario is unfair and one must demand fairness and that life must be fair in this case you violate the law of non-contradiction.

Can you prove that anyone and everyone can improve one's own life or the way one lives no matter the circumstances of the self and of external conditions? 

What must one improve one's life to?   What is the rubric and criteria that we're going by?
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2015, 09:35:00 AM »
My Answer:

If your scenario is considered unfair, unfairness is a part of life, and if we must accept the unfairness of life as truth that is non-negatable and if all maxims must apply in all instances then since life is unfair one must apply the unfairness of life to this as well.  So, if we apply the maxim of life is unfair then one should have no problem with the government taking $45.00 and the government telling a person what he or she can or can't do with the $5.00 since the maxim must be applied in all instances to remain consistent.

To reject your scenario means one can't accept that life is unfair in all instances.  Therefore, there are cases in which not only one must accept that life is fair but one must demand fairness and fight for fairness. 

In summary, either life is unfair in all instances therefore one should have no problem with said scenario or one must reject the maxim and accept that life is not only fair in some cases but one must make life fair in some cases as well.

Since you believe life is unfair and you believe that your scenario is unfair and one must demand fairness and that life must be fair in this case you violate the law of non-contradiction.

I do not believe life is unfair!  Only people can make it unfair!

I am not a very educated person, I do in fact have a mild learning problem from my younger years is school.  But God had given me many tool to over come that and move on in my life.   A problems are not a set back for me, it's just one more challenge to move on in life.
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2015, 09:49:03 AM »
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I do not believe life is unfair!  Only people can make it unfair!

First, please don't yell at me.   There's no need for that.

Second, If people can and do make life unfair and you accept this as truth then how can you logically claim to not believe that life is unfair?  I don't follow your reasoning.

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I am not a very educated person, I do in fact have a mild learning problem from my younger years is school. 

I have learning problems as well impacted by my communication issues caused by my Autism.

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But God had given me many tool to over come that and move on in my life.   

Looking at history of people on the planet and people now does God give everyone the tools to overcome everything and anything in life?   God chooses what he will do and whom he will save does he not?

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A problems are not a set back for me, it's just one more challenge to move on in life.

Can you prove that anyone and everyone can improve one's own life or the way one lives no matter the circumstances of the self and of external conditions? 

What must one improve one's life to?   What is the rubric and criteria that we're going by?

Can anyone and everyone be in control and take control of one's life in all iterations no matter what circumstances?   

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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2015, 10:40:28 AM »
Looking at history of people on the planet and people now does God give everyone the tools to overcome everything and anything in life?

If you found yourself alone in the middle of a forest, or a desert, how would you survive?  What are the things you would need in order to survive?  How would you go about getting them?



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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2015, 11:12:04 AM »
First, please don't yell at me.   There's no need for that.

Second, If people can and do make life unfair and you accept this as truth then how can you logically claim to not believe that life is unfair?  I don't follow your reasoning.

I have learning problems as well impacted by my communication issues caused by my Autism.

Looking at history of people on the planet and people now does God give everyone the tools to overcome everything and anything in life?   God chooses what he will do and whom he will save does he not?

Can you prove that anyone and everyone can improve one's own life or the way one lives no matter the circumstances of the self and of external conditions? 

What must one improve one's life to?   What is the rubric and criteria that we're going by?

Can anyone and everyone be in control and take control of one's life in all iterations no matter what circumstances?


IF I were yell at you, everything would be in caps.  What you call yelling I call emphasis my way of be nice. 

I know you have Autism.  But if you don't get past that!  You will have a hard time in the real world. 

Your looking for utopia, Garden of Eden or heaven. (on earth) 
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2015, 11:23:50 AM »
If you found yourself alone in the middle of a forest, or a desert, how would you survive?  What are the things you would need in order to survive?  How would you go about getting them?

Answer:  I will quote Francis Bacon.  To command nature it must be obeyed.  I have to conform to the nature of myself and to my external environment.  One has to obtain food to have energy and it must be the correct food that is nutritious and non-poisonous. 

What this means is that the statement holds up but only to what the nature of myself and my external environment allows.  If the nature of a person does not allow that person to be able to conform to the nature of the current natural environment then more than likely if they can't leave on their own and can't receive assistance from someone else they will eventually die as is part of the nature of life in our cosmological existence. 

Is life what I make it?  To a certain extent yes, otherwise it is not what I make it since I am bounded by the nature of myself and by the nature of what is outside of myself.  Dori, that is my answer.

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« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2015, 11:53:06 AM »
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IF I were yell at you, everything would be in caps.  What you call yelling I call emphasis my way of be nice. 

My mistake.  I misunderstood.

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I know you have Autism.  But if you don't get past that!  You will have a hard time in the real world. 

Therein lies the issue right there.   It assumes that I am able to get past that whatsoever especially without other people's assistance to do so.  When I mean assistance, I don't mean welfare what I mean is to be taught how to fish and have certain questions answered. 

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Your looking for utopia, Garden of Eden or heaven. (on earth)

No, I am not as utopia, garden of eden, or heaven is something that is abstract and open to interpretation.  What I am looking for is absolute truth and knowing what is correct in various areas and why.

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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2015, 08:52:15 AM »
No, life is not fair, was never meant to be.
Look at the basics. We eat living creatures for sustenance, slave to plants, for without them, we would starve, so we cultivate and keep them healthy for our very existence, therefore, we are plants caretakers.
Life is a series of hurdles, without failure, we'd never experience accomplishment.
Without pain, we'd have no measure of pleasure.

No, life is not fair, and we all deal with it the best we can, so life is what you make it. You can either see yourself as a victim, or tackle it head on to the best of your abilities.
It never gets easier, but hopefully as time goes by, you gain tools to make it a little less tough.
Perspective.....

Thing is though "life is what you make it" is not totally true.   Life has constraints and we're all bounded by laws of time, space and nature(nature of ourselves and our external environment) and social norms and dictates.  Even if one removed all of these constraints and people were like Q, life is what others make it as well.  I'm still bound by the majority's wishes, dictates and demands.

It is true that no Utopia exists and let's assume that no Utopia can exist.  By logic, if none of us can make a Utopia then this proves even further that we all have constraints to life and existence and the idea life is what we make it is not totally true.

Walkstall said "I know you have Autism.  But if you don't get past that!  You will have a hard time in the real world.  "

Thing is Autism can't be just gotten past. This is the very nature of my condition.  If my brain is sick and deformed then how can my very nature allow me to just get past it?  I have senses that take in information as input and my brain is the processor that transforms it into output.   So, my brain is processing input as garbage won't the outputs be garbage.   So, how can I used my disabled and deformed brain if my very disabled and deformed brain and the very nature of it got me into my situation?  How can I pull myself out if my very brain and thoughts are the ones that led me to my life outcomes of today?   

This is why I've concluded that if I'm to get past it then what I would need is other people's assistance mainly guidance, instruction and others answering of my questions. In addition, I have motor coordination problems and an all or nothing, literal based thinking.  How do I overcome these things using my very thinking?   Telling me to use common sense and critical thinking will not work because my brain is different from the Neurotypical brain which means your red is my green.

This is what I mean when personal responsibility advocates do a form of reductionism meaning they oversimplify things to the point of distortion.   Walkstall says to get past it or really to get over it and pull myself by my own bootstraps.   How?  How do I do this?

If I could do it then logically I would have done it.  Let's say that I'm a selfish person and I only want to benefit myself and only care about myself which is not true.  Looking at it logically, wouldn't I do the thing(s) that would bring me the most gain and the least amount of pain.  Being employed pays way more than any kind of welfare or disability benefits.  If I could overcome my autism and pull myself by bootstraps then why I haven't I done so to become gainfully employed.  With welfare benefits, it is called TANF and one can only receive them for a limited time anyway.  So, with welfare being temporary wouldn't it behoove those on welfare to not stay on it to long?

Let's say it is slothfulness or laziness.  Why would I be slothful or lazy?  How would my being lazy or slothful be beneficial to me.   If laziness, slothfulness or any other vice brings harm to themselves why would anyone choose to harm themselves?  If everyone could be personally responsible for themselves and they could make their own life then wouldn't they logically do so especially if a person is selfish and only cares about himself because aren't these things more likely to bring benefit to themselves?   So, why would anyone choose not to bring benefit to themselves and do these things if these things do indeed bring benefits?  If selfishness is so reviled these days then why would anyone choose selfishness? 

This is the problem with the belief system of personal responsibility advocates.  Because of the reductionist nature of the belief system, it oversimplifies things to the point of distortion that lead to inconsistencies and contradictions.

 

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