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Life is what YOU make it!
« on: June 22, 2015, 11:40:14 PM »
The thing with positivity and phrases such as this is there is some truth to it. I will buy it. I have fundamental issues with phrases, other positive affirmations and positvity such as this and my main problem is that it only tells a part of the story.

Let’s make the assumption that there are no rules of physics, no laws or social standards to follow that are never open to question or challenge. Now, let’s make the assumption that consciousness is primacy instead of existence being primacy.

Existence being primacy means that there are laws governing the universe and/or existence that is independent of one’s hopes, wishes and dreams. Consciousness being primacy means that the universe and/or existential laws depend upon what the conscious mind desires and wishes. If life is what I make it then isn’t life what others make as well? If this is logically true then what happens if I try to make life one way and the other people from various walks of life want life to be another way? How does life resolve this contradiction?

From my experience, the resolution to this contradiction is that this statement is true only to a certain extent and other people in life can and do have an effect on the outcomes of my life just like I can and do have an effect on the outcomes on other people’s lives. Even if one is not constrained by laws that exist independently of human consciousness, I’m still constrained to the laws of the majority and how they wish to make life.

To me, positivity is overhyped and assumes one has all of this internal locus of control which is far from the truth.

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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2015, 04:12:22 AM »
The best way to find your answer, is to toss aside all you've learned on the subject, wipe the mind clear of all Gods laws, laws of nature, and wander into the wilderness and begin a path of survival.
No time constraints, stay as long as it takes to discover the answer, but I'm willing to bet it will only take as long a your provisions last.
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2015, 07:10:06 PM »
The best way to find your answer, is to toss aside all you've learned on the subject, wipe the mind clear of all Gods laws, laws of nature, and wander into the wilderness and begin a path of survival.
No time constraints, stay as long as it takes to discover the answer, but I'm willing to bet it will only take as long a your provisions last.

Your point?

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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2015, 09:15:37 PM »
Your point?
To get back to the basics, back to primal nature. No TV, cell, no communication with the outside world, discover life again.
In other words, drop the trappings of modern life.
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2015, 10:16:55 AM »
To get back to the basics, back to primal nature. No TV, cell, no communication with the outside world, discover life again.
In other words, drop the trappings of modern life.

How does my going back to primal nature answer the question?  Even if I go back to primal nature, I'm still bound by the laws of physics, existence, time, biology, etc, etc am I not?  If Life is what one makes it then what is the extent of this?  How far does it go?   What are my boundaries and constraints exactly?   Are things boundless?   Can one be like Q from Star Trek?   How does this maxim hold up exactly in all iterations and all cases?  Is consciousness primacy or is existence primacy?  Meaning is there a reality that is independent of my hopes, dreams and wishes or does my consciousness determine the fabric of reality and nature itself?

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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2015, 10:48:16 AM »
How does my going back to primal nature answer the question?  Even if I go back to primal nature, I'm still bound by the laws of physics, existence, time, biology, etc, etc am I not?  If Life is what one makes it then what is the extent of this?  How far does it go?   What are my boundaries and constraints exactly?   Are things boundless?   Can one be like Q from Star Trek?   How does this maxim hold up exactly in all iterations and all cases?  Is consciousness primacy or is existence primacy?  Meaning is there a reality that is independent of my hopes, dreams and wishes or does my consciousness determine the fabric of reality and nature itself?
Maybe I misunderstood your premise. I thought you were referring to the constraints of social norms.
Yeah, if you want to remove laws of physics, and your imagination your only limt, then sure, you can be Q.
Here in reality, we call that an acid trip. :wink:
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2015, 11:31:44 AM »
Maybe I misunderstood your premise. I thought you were referring to the constraints of social norms.
Yeah, if you want to remove laws of physics, and your imagination your only limt, then sure, you can be Q.
Here in reality, we call that an acid trip. :wink:

No, you didn't misunderstand.  I questioned further based upon what you said.  Your answer confuses me further. 

How can one remove the laws of physics and how can my imagination be my only limit?

The claim is "Life is what YOU make it!"  What I am asking is how does this hold up in all iterations no matter the circumstance?  What are the premises and rationale that lead to this?  When I observe social norms and nature I don't grasp how this is so.  For this to be true, one would literally have to be Q from Star Trek otherwise one is constrained by the summit of his knowledge, tools one has and what one can procure, and what the laws of reality allow given with all of these things. 

The claim or statement makes no sense.  It is true that one has some control of life but to claim this as a total truth.  I cannot buy because if it was then life would be fair and everyone would live a life of total joy and have everything they needed and wanted.   Based upon empirical observations and what I can derive this is not the case whatsoever.  People are starving in Africa.  Natural disasters happen.  Murder, Pedophilia and other evils happen.  Diseases and Genetic deformities exist.   Some people end up in group homes or institutions.  If all this is part of the natural order of life then by logic this statement can't be true or else we have a contradiction.

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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2015, 11:41:03 AM »
No, you didn't misunderstand.  I questioned further based upon what you said.  Your answer confuses me further. 

How can one remove the laws of physics and how can my imagination be my only limit?

The claim is "Life is what YOU make it!"  What I am asking is how does this hold up in all iterations no matter the circumstance?  What are the premises and rationale that lead to this?  When I observe social norms and nature I don't grasp how this is so.  For this to be true, one would literally have to be Q from Star Trek otherwise one is constrained by the summit of his knowledge, tools one has and what one can procure, and what the laws of reality allow given with all of these things. 

The claim or statement makes no sense.  It is true that one has some control of life but to claim this as a total truth.  I cannot buy because if it was then life would be fair and everyone would live a life of total joy and have everything they needed and wanted.   Based upon empirical observations and what I can derive this is not the case whatsoever.  People are starving in Africa.  Natural disasters happen.  Murder, Pedophilia and other evils happen.  Diseases and Genetic deformities exist.   Some people end up in group homes or institutions.  If all this is part of the natural order of life then by logic this statement can't be true or else we have a contradiction.
No, life is not fair, was never meant to be.
Look at the basics. We eat living creatures for sustenance, slave to plants, for without them, we would starve, so we cultivate and keep them healthy for our very existence, therefore, we are plants caretakers.
Life is a series of hurdles, without failure, we'd never experience accomplishment.
Without pain, we'd have no measure of pleasure.

No, life is not fair, and we all deal with it the best we can, so life is what you make it. You can either see yourself as a victim, or tackle it head on to the best of your abilities.
It never gets easier, but hopefully as time goes by, you gain tools to make it a little less tough.
Perspective.....
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2015, 11:56:47 AM »
No, life is not fair, was never meant to be.
Look at the basics. We eat living creatures for sustenance, slave to plants, for without them, we would starve, so we cultivate and keep them healthy for our very existence, therefore, we are plants caretakers.
Life is a series of hurdles, without failure, we'd never experience accomplishment.
Without pain, we'd have no measure of pleasure.

No, life is not fair, and we all deal with it the best we can, so life is what you make it. You can either see yourself as a victim, or tackle it head on to the best of your abilities.
It never gets easier, but hopefully as time goes by, you gain tools to make it a little less tough.
Perspective.....

Fascinating,  I think I sort of understand what you're saying.  If one looks at the evolutionary history of man he shouldn't be at the apex.  There are animals whom are stronger and faster.  It is because we learned to use our brains to build better tools and to learn over the centuries he has progressed.  This learning to overcome challenges is how mankind evolved to who he is today.   By giving a person everything, he can't use what he has evolved with over the eons.  This growing learning and overcoming challenges is a part of who man is today and without that he whithers, slowly decays and dies.

Struggle, challenge, obstacles and overcoming them is how man advanced. 

This makes me wonder something.  If what I say is true then to conquer a people then the best way is to give them everything their hearts desire.  If an alien invasion was to occur they can conquer us by giving us all that we need and want.
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2015, 12:17:39 PM »
Fascinating,  I think I sort of understand what you're saying.  If one looks at the evolutionary history of man he shouldn't be at the apex.  There are animals whom are stronger and faster.  It is because we learned to use our brains to build better tools and to learn over the centuries he has progressed.  This learning to overcome challenges is how mankind evolved to who he is today.   By giving a person everything, he can't use what he has evolved with over the eons.  This growing learning and overcoming challenges is a part of who man is today and without that he whithers, slowly decays and dies.

Struggle, challenge, obstacles and overcoming them is how man advanced. 

This makes me wonder something.  If what I say is true then to conquer a people then the best way is to give them everything their hearts desire.
Yes my friend, you just described socialism/Marxism leading to full blown communism.
The very reason we are against the left, they want to remove human nature from the equation, in turn making us all non thinking drone like creatures.

Personally, I Prefer the challenges life puts in my path.
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2015, 12:32:58 PM »
Yes my friend, you just described socialism/Marxism leading to full blown communism.

I did?  Hmmm.  Wow!  Interesting.

Out of curiosity, do you have any recommendations for those like me on the Autism spectrum on what we can do to be successful and functional in society?  If you do my friend, may I have some?

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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2015, 01:19:10 PM »
I did?  Hmmm.  Wow!  Interesting.

Out of curiosity, do you have any recommendations for those like me on the Autism spectrum on what we can do to be successful and functional in society?  If you do my friend, may I have some?
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Fish oil?
I too have an issue. When I was young, up until my 40s, I suffered severe ADHD, with an emphasis on "H" for Hyper, I was so distracted, I got on my own nerves.
So hyper, that I couldn't keep track of items, and had to replace them regularly.

I discovered fish oil in my 30s, for me, it was an amazing cure, my IQ rose an easy 40 points (I had already been tested at 160+ IQ) whenever I took it, and it still works today.
Though what cured my ADHD, was when a deer jumped on my Harley at about 50 mph and I hit the pavement so hard, it crushed all the fillings in my teeth, resulting in a severe concussion and memory loss for a year.
I never recovered certain aspects of my former personality, such as the ability to rattle off 50 or more jokes, yes, I was the comedian at party's, but I don't know what else I lost, since I can't remember what I had.

That was about 10 years ago (I think?), and I still suffer time issues, where an event that happened 5 years ago, seems like it was yesterday.
I also lost my electrician skills, where things used to come naturally, now require extreme concentration.

Though it wasn't a total loss. It used to be a virtual impossibility to sit and type without getting distracted in thought, now I own this forum and typing comes as second nature, and that would be a breeze, if not for the exacerbated symptoms of dyslexia, another side effect of the accident.

Yeah, so give salmon oil a shot, it can't hurt.
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Re: Life is what YOU make it!
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2015, 05:31:19 PM »
I did?  Hmmm.  Wow!  Interesting.

Out of curiosity, do you have any recommendations for those like me on the Autism spectrum on what we can do to be successful and functional in society?  If you do my friend, may I have some?

You sound to me like your high functioning.  Out of curiosity, there are a lot of people with what your dealing with, you would think there would be a lot more help for you.  Are you able to get any therapy to help you with the social problem?
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2015, 05:47:58 PM »
You sound to me like your high functioning.  Out of curiosity, there are a lot of people with what your dealing with, you would think there would be a lot more help for you.  Are you able to get any therapy to help you with the social problem?

I am trying to find someone who specializes in Autism Spectrum Disorders.  It is difficult though to find one in my area. 

Honestly, I don't need therapy.  What I need is two fold:  a.  social skills training and b.  answers to certain questions I have.   Here is where I have a problem with employment.   What employers seem to want are extroverted and social type personalities.  Even if I didn't have Autism I would have issues.  If I presented myself as a personality type that I am not, wouldn't I be dishonest with the employer?  I would be selling them a false bill of goods. 

It's a double bind for me.  I be honest and remain unemployed and on SSDI or I become dishonest, get employed and get off of SSDI.

So how do I be my honest and true self and be employed?  How do I satisfy the conditions of remaining virtuous, honest, becoming and staying employed and being my true self?   This is why I need help from society and/or therapist to not only teach me social skills training but to navigate this contradiction.

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2015, 06:06:42 PM »
I am trying to find someone who specializes in Autism Spectrum Disorders.  It is difficult though to find one in my area. 

Honestly, I don't need therapy.  What I need is two fold:  a.  social skills training and b.  answers to certain questions I have.   Here is where I have a problem with employment.   What employers seem to want are extroverted and social type personalities.  Even if I didn't have Autism I would have issues.  If I presented myself as a personality type that I am not, wouldn't I be dishonest with the employer?  I would be selling them a false bill of goods. 

It's a double bind for me.  I be honest and remain unemployed and on SSDI or I become dishonest, get employed and get off of SSDI.

So how do I be my honest and true self and be employed?  How do I satisfy the conditions of remaining virtuous, honest, becoming and staying employed and being my true self?   This is why I need help from society and/or therapist to not only teach me social skills training but to navigate this contradiction.

I don't know what state you are in, but maybe you could contact a large hospital that gets grants that study social skills.  You may be able to get some information of what is available to you. 
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