If you can Bugout (Distance Formula)

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Quote from: Possumpoint on June 05, 2011, 01:26:27 PM
As an old fart, I only wish the old standard was still in effect. If you use an acronym, you use the full word (words) followed by the abbreviation one time so that everyone is on the same definition.
LOL. I agree, there is nothing worse than reading an article without clear reference.
Well there is one thing worse, the butchering of the English language, which I'm starting to see more and more, and not by blogs or smaller news sites, but the big ones.
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Quote from: Possumpoint on June 05, 2011, 01:26:27 PM
As an old fart, I only wish the old standard was still in effect. If you use an acronym, you use the full word (words) followed by the abbreviation one time so that everyone is on the same definition.

Your right.  I have to do this at work all the time.  We use so many acronyms we have to do this. 
It is just a common courtesy.  Thanks for the reminder.  8)
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WoodBurner

 My favorite is DILLIGAFF. :D

Military Pers should get it. ;)
If it was easy everyone would be do'in it.

walkstall

Quote from: WoodBurner on June 06, 2011, 09:53:20 AM
My favorite is DILLIGAFF. :D

Military Pers should get it. ;)

I know of 3 definitions for that.  :D    :))
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Eyesabide

I interpret the past several posts to say- " Hey relative new comer! Even though you may have seen some anacronyms or abreviations on this forum in the past, it is generally preferable to not use them or if you do, please supply a key for those who might not be familiar with them."

Thank you for not treating me in the way several members said they left other forums to come to this one to avoid that indignity.

There might be some mispellings in this reply, please accept my apologies as my spell check seems to not be working.

Having read all of the responses, does anyone have an actual reply to my inquirey? That might be enquirey, but I am not really sure which is the appropriate word. Checking my dictionary booted my original response. Thanks!
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Quote from: Eyesabide on June 07, 2011, 10:42:09 PM
I interpret the past several posts to say- " Hey relative new comer! Even though you may have seen some anacronyms or abreviations on this forum in the past, it is generally preferable to not use them or if you do, please supply a key for those who might not be familiar with them."

Thank you for not treating me in the way several members said they left other forums to come to this one to avoid that indignity.

There might be some mispellings in this reply, please accept my apologies as my spell check seems to not be working.

Having read all of the responses, does anyone have an actual reply to my inquirey? That might be enquirey, but I am not really sure which is the appropriate word. Checking my dictionary booted my original response. Thanks!

Eyes I think we all us them sometime as much as we are on the net.  Some of us more then others.  My point was only helping other that my not know.

I see no magic formula. I think it depens on the person (the training and  skills over the years along with age age) and the area. (the lay of land and water) 
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Solar

Quote from: Eyesabide on June 07, 2011, 10:42:09 PM
I interpret the past several posts to say- " Hey relative new comer! Even though you may have seen some anacronyms or abreviations on this forum in the past, it is generally preferable to not use them or if you do, please supply a key for those who might not be familiar with them."

Thank you for not treating me in the way several members said they left other forums to come to this one to avoid that indignity.

There might be some mispellings in this reply, please accept my apologies as my spell check seems to not be working.

Having read all of the responses, does anyone have an actual reply to my inquirey? That might be enquirey, but I am not really sure which is the appropriate word. Checking my dictionary booted my original response. Thanks!
Don't worry about it Eyes, I just used it as a soap box to make a point.
It was directed more at those that use text speak as a short cut to being lazy and not typing out the full words.
This in no way was a reflection on you, if someone really wants to get their point across and be taken seriously, they should use plain English, but your acronyms are fine, we all use them, LOL. ;)

And you are correct, the spell check, for a lack of a better term is the shits!
I used it once in a very long post, only to have it tell me my spelling was fine, at which point, it deleted the entire post. :o
I was pissed! :))
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Quote from: Solar on June 08, 2011, 08:21:01 AM
Don't worry about it Eyes, I just used it as a soap box to make a point.
It was directed more at those that use text speak as a short cut to being lazy and not typing out the full words.
This in no way was a reflection on you, if someone really wants to get their point across and be taken seriously, they should use plain English, but your acronyms are fine, we all use them, LOL. ;)

And you are correct, the spell check, for a lack of a better term is the shits!
I used it once in a very long post, only to have it tell me my spelling was fine, at which point, it deleted the entire post. :o
I was pissed! :))

And I thought it was just me. :P
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Rachel

Just a Q, but how do you know that we'll need to bugout away from a city? That assumes that the city is ground zero for whatever crisis is occurring. And what do you do if you can't leave? Public Transportation shut down, and you can't fill up your car with gas (Gas pumps work via electricity, so if electricity is out, you couldn't go to the pump).

walkstall

Quote from: Rachel on July 14, 2011, 07:01:21 PM
Just a Q, but how do you know that we'll need to bugout away from a city? That assumes that the city is ground zero for whatever crisis is occurring. And what do you do if you can't leave? Public Transportation shut down, and you can't fill up your car with gas (Gas pumps work via electricity, so if electricity is out, you couldn't go to the pump).
If and when it gets bad, city people will eat there own.  You should be long gone before then.  Do not let your car(s) get below 1/2 a tank even in the good times.    know what gas stations have there own back-up generators.  Even a bad storm can take all power out for weeks or more.   Know where you can get water if there no city water. 

I know if you go throught the Survival forum you will find a great deal of information that other have posted.  You are a smart woman from looking at your posts.   You  can take the informations and use what is best for you and your family.   Even in the best of time a Survival kit (bugout bag) should be at the ready.  Just knowing it is there if needed should give  you peace of mind. 
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Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

Solar

Quote from: Rachel on July 14, 2011, 07:01:21 PM
Just a Q, but how do you know that we'll need to bugout away from a city? That assumes that the city is ground zero for whatever crisis is occurring. And what do you do if you can't leave? Public Transportation shut down, and you can't fill up your car with gas (Gas pumps work via electricity, so if electricity is out, you couldn't go to the pump).
Most city people live from day to day, never concern themselves with utilities, unlike those that live rural, we pump our own water and either make our own electricity or have back up generators and stocks of food, considering stores are far away.

Now if you consider all hell breaks loose, the inner city where many people rely on gov will be hardest hit, and spreading out looking for food and water, making their way to the outskirts of the city.
Walks is right, if you see things suddenly turning bad in the city, don't waste anytime whatsoever, get out immediately, you can go back when things calm down later.

But in the interim, you may find someone siphoned your gas tank, raided your fridge while you were still at work.
Then it will be you running with the crowds looking for food.
People will do desperate things when their life is in danger, even good people.
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Both of you make valid points. I can see the concern. If you think back to Katrina, the people of New Orleans went crazy. My grandparents lived in Bay St. Louis during that time. Bay St. Louis actually took the most direct hit from Hurricane Katrina, and 80-90% of the homes and buildings in Bay St. Louis were destroyed. The destruction was much worse that what New Orleans suffered after their levies broke, and yet there was no looting for the little town, which was home of only a few thousand people.

My grandparents decided they'd never live on the coast again, so they moved to Alabama. Just recently, tons of tornadoes struck, dealing as much damage as Katrina had done on the coast. But there was an exception with the major city in Alabama that was struck. The people of Tuscaloosa got to work rebuilding and there was no looting either, despite their being comparable to New Orleans. Now, despite being a city, Tuscaloosa is much smaller than New Orleans. Tuscaloosa is mainly a college town of 90,000 people. I imagine the people that live there are also better educated than those of New Orleans. There also wasn't the releasing of criminals from a nearby prison onto the streets.

I would rank NOLA a big city and T-Town a medium city. I'm sure the standard of living in T-Town is higher than NOLA as well. Identifying distinctions between the two, I am sure other cities would follow their examples based on which city they are more like. For example, Jackson, MS; and Chicago would probably act in the same way as NOLA. Jackson is a medium city like T-Town, but the people of Jackson aren't well educated and standard  of living is lower. On the other hand, I believe Charleston, SC would be comparatively safe. It's a little bit bigger than T-Town, and Charleston's crime rates are 7x lower than NOLA's.

That said, I do not believe all cities are equal. I shouldn't need anywhere to bugout myself (I live in a highly suburban area that is non-incorporated), but I also thought that during Katrina and ended up having to rendezvous with my grandparents in Alabama. It's a 2.5 hour drive from my place in MS, so keeping a little gas on hand seems like a good idea.

Thankfully, we live in a neighborhood that allows us to have a vegetable garden and what not. I think for survival, it is best to avoid "covenant" neighborhoods- you know the ones that tell you what color the outside of your house has to be and what kind of mailbox you have to have. Covenant Neighborhoods typically come with rules and regulations, sometimes even including what you can plant in your yard. As long as you avoid that, you're one step up.

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Quote from: Rachel on July 15, 2011, 11:10:06 AM
Both of you make valid points. I can see the concern. If you think back to Katrina, the people of New Orleans went crazy. My grandparents lived in Bay St. Louis during that time. Bay St. Louis actually took the most direct hit from Hurricane Katrina, and 80-90% of the homes and buildings in Bay St. Louis were destroyed. The destruction was much worse that what New Orleans suffered after their levies broke, and yet there was no looting for the little town, which was home of only a few thousand people.

My grandparents decided they'd never live on the coast again, so they moved to Alabama. Just recently, tons of tornadoes struck, dealing as much damage as Katrina had done on the coast. But there was an exception with the major city in Alabama that was struck. The people of Tuscaloosa got to work rebuilding and there was no looting either, despite their being comparable to New Orleans. Now, despite being a city, Tuscaloosa is much smaller than New Orleans. Tuscaloosa is mainly a college town of 90,000 people. I imagine the people that live there are also better educated than those of New Orleans. There also wasn't the releasing of criminals from a nearby prison onto the streets.

I would rank NOLA a big city and T-Town a medium city. I'm sure the standard of living in T-Town is higher than NOLA as well. Identifying distinctions between the two, I am sure other cities would follow their examples based on which city they are more like. For example, Jackson, MS; and Chicago would probably act in the same way as NOLA. Jackson is a medium city like T-Town, but the people of Jackson aren't well educated and standard  of living is lower. On the other hand, I believe Charleston, SC would be comparatively safe. It's a little bit bigger than T-Town, and Charleston's crime rates are 7x lower than NOLA's.

That said, I do not believe all cities are equal. I shouldn't need anywhere to bugout myself (I live in a highly suburban area that is non-incorporated), but I also thought that during Katrina and ended up having to rendezvous with my grandparents in Alabama. It's a 2.5 hour drive from my place in MS, so keeping a little gas on hand seems like a good idea.

Thankfully, we live in a neighborhood that allows us to have a vegetable garden and what not. I think for survival, it is best to avoid "covenant" neighborhoods- you know the ones that tell you what color the outside of your house has to be and what kind of mailbox you have to have. Covenant Neighborhoods typically come with rules and regulations, sometimes even including what you can plant in your yard. As long as you avoid that, you're one step up.

Good points Rachael, much has to do with the city and the quality of people.
Take LA Ca, if they had a catastrophe, things would degrade much quicker, say as opposed to San Franfreako, but the neighboring areas like Oakland or SanJose would quickly bleed into the better off neighborhoods.
Like you said, suburban neighborhoods would have more time before any problems arise, assuming worst case scenario in the city, they would feed off each other for about three days until supplies run out, then they head out of the city.

The upside to living in a suburban area is that people can come up with a plan for security when the city folk start showing up.
There have been a lot of studies done on the subject, but we haven't seen anything on a large enough scale to actually predict what might happen, but one thing you can count on, is the human equation, it is extremely unpredictable.
Take New Orleans for example, most of the scum were stuck in the city with no way out to disrupt neighboring communities.
And that was a good thing. :D
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