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Gun Caliber considerations
« on: September 04, 2020, 08:05:42 AM »
I've read, "Buy a gun that fires the MOST common ammunition, so you'll stand the best chance of FINDING ammunition for it, if there's a shortage."  So, naturally, you'd want .22 Long Rifle, 9mm, 45acp, .223, .308 would probably top the list.  They're everywhere, and prices ought to be competitive.  Stay away from the really ODD stuff because that's the *last* thing to be manufactured, prices will be higher, scarcity... right?

But, there are some less commonly used calibers, still quite popular, and just as effective for hunting, maybe best for your particular area.  For instance, a .338 Lapua might be great for a long shot in Wyoming, but 300BLK might be perfect for urban hunting those domesticated deer & occasional varmint.

While in the local warehouse-style gun store Monday, the clerk answered the phone, "9mm?  Been out of it since March."  He said that was the big joke, NONE of the most common ammunition has been available since March/April - this is one of those stores that does not price gouge during shortages, prices are pretty stable.  I was buying 25 caliber bullets for reloading - they had it in 4 weights and several types, 25-06 happens to be my favorite, all purpose hunting round.  Seriously considering 300BLK for the subsonic use.

So, I get this question, too often (not an expert, just practical), "What is a GOOD CALIBER for ... setting?" fill in my situation, city, suburban, country.  OR - for Survival?  Skip the shot guns, please.


Question:  What is your preferred caliber & WHY?   Like, it's safest in the neighborhood.  It's quiet, or I'm in the middle of nowhere, I wanna be heard (remind those SOBs, I'm alive and able to defend myself).  Maybe it's .224, or .308 because the bullets can be loaded into a LOT of different guns?
Go ahead and include your preferred gun, if you'd like.
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Re: Gun Caliber considerations
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2020, 08:30:10 AM »
Why would you say forget shotguns? You can choose from a variety of loads, be it elephant load or bird shot, you're taking down your target.

The majority of home invasions are withing 12' of the victim, why would you want a unwieldy rifle, or have to take time to aim a pistol, when all you have to do with a shotgun, is point in the general vicinity.

I agree on the ammo. I was just talking to my dealer who said as soon as ammo hits the shelf people buy it up out of fear it may not be back for awhile.
Think TP and commie flu, there was always plenty of stock on hand, till the left created panic, and the same still applies to ammo.

As far as caliber. The M16 was designed for the battle field, wound one, two must carry him to safety, effectively removing three from the fight.
So the question is, do you want to wound, or kill your attacker?

If I pull a gun on an attacker, I assure you, I will not be wounding anyone.
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Re: Gun Caliber considerations
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2020, 04:05:13 PM »
Favorite caliber for where I live, the .243 for hunting, the 9mm for self defense in a handgun, the 18" 20 gauge for in home self defense, handgun for hunting, the .357,  for wshif the .223 in an ar, hard to argue with a 30 round magazine, my personal favorite just because, the marlin 336 in 30-30.

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Re: Gun Caliber considerations
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2020, 06:27:20 PM »
Favorite caliber for where I live, the .243 for hunting, the 9mm for self defense in a handgun, the 18" 20 gauge for in home self defense, handgun for hunting, the .357,  for wshif the .223 in an ar, hard to argue with a 30 round magazine, my personal favorite just because, the marlin 336 in 30-30.

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Marlin, great choice! I made the mistake of buying a Winchester, should have bought the marlin, 100 times the quality in the day.
My favorite is my M-1 with a dozen 30 rnd clips. Light, easy to shoot, no recoil, and the bullet doesn't travel too far.

For distance, 303 or 306 with armor piercing rnds, but most confrontations happen within less than 50', so bear spray and a shotgun with a variety of successive variable loads.
One is bound to make a mess.
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Re: Gun Caliber considerations
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2020, 04:35:58 AM »
Marlin, great choice! I made the mistake of buying a Winchester, should have bought the marlin, 100 times the quality in the day.
My favorite is my M-1 with a dozen 30 rnd clips. Light, easy to shoot, no recoil, and the bullet doesn't travel too far.

For distance, 303 or 306 with armor piercing rnds, but most confrontations happen within less than 50', so bear spray and a shotgun with a variety of successive variable loads.
One is bound to make a mess.
That's what I like about the 30-30. For Texas, it can bring down any game here and the bullet drops pretty short, I don't think it would have the energy for some of the game out in your neck of the neighborhood. Sure enjoy watching the videos you post. Hogs here are getting to be a real problem, last two I shot were in the front yard  :cursing: :cursing:. Might get a 6.8 rem barrel for the ar, the .223 will take them down, I prefer the .243, but you have to take the time to ensure placement. The bigger 6.8 will give a little more room for error.  :lol:

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Re: Gun Caliber considerations
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2020, 05:22:55 AM »
That's what I like about the 30-30. For Texas, it can bring down any game here and the bullet drops pretty short, I don't think it would have the energy for some of the game out in your neck of the neighborhood. Sure enjoy watching the videos you post. Hogs here are getting to be a real problem, last two I shot were in the front yard  :cursing: :cursing:. Might get a 6.8 rem barrel for the ar, the .223 will take them down, I prefer the .243, but you have to take the time to ensure placement. The bigger 6.8 will give a little more room for error.  :lol:
I'll take lions and bears over crazy hogs any day. Have you considered Claymore? :biggrin:
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Re: Gun Caliber considerations
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2020, 05:55:28 AM »
I'll take lions and bears over crazy hogs any day. Have you considered Claymore? :biggrin:
I'll need longer arms.  :lol: Bout three days ago I was on the tractor calling the cows up to feed and in the cedar I saw black movement, I thought the dog had followed so I called her and a damn hog stuck its head out of the cedar and started to come up for feed. :cursing: All I had was a little .22 on me so I just scared it off. Don't want a pissed off wounded hog running around in the pasture.

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Re: Gun Caliber considerations
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2020, 05:58:33 AM »
I'll need longer arms.  :lol: Bout three days ago I was on the tractor calling the cows up to feed and in the cedar I saw black movement, I thought the dog had followed so I called her and a damn hog stuck its head out of the cedar and started to come up for feed. :cursing: All I had was a little .22 on me so I just scared it off. Don't want a pissed off wounded hog running around in the pasture.
That's the thing, I can challenge a bear, but hogs are another completely different story.
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Re: Gun Caliber considerations
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2020, 03:26:54 PM »
Why would you say forget shotguns? You can choose from a variety of loads, be it elephant load or bird shot, you're taking down your target.


Because it's a GIVEN as a good home defense weapon - it's the other guns, I had in mind.
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Re: Gun Caliber considerations
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2020, 04:05:54 PM »
Favorite caliber for where I live, the .243 for hunting, the 9mm for self defense in a handgun, the 18" 20 gauge for in home self defense, handgun for hunting, the .357,  for wshif the .223 in an ar, hard to argue with a 30 round magazine, my personal favorite just because, the marlin 336 in 30-30.

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.243 is an awesome, flat shooter, great reputation, with plenty of knock down power for hunting.
We have a Rem 700 bolt .223, a tack driver out to 100yrds, but ever where we've lived, it's illegal for larger game!
So is a 22-250, and .222, etc, but, hunting rifles are based on "caliber" instead of energy in So. Virginia.
For that reason, I'm thinking of transitioning everything smaller to either .257 or .308 - dumping the .224 (22 caliber) stuff.

As we're finally getting into reloading ... and have everything from 30yrs ago (friend of ours worked at a large sporting goods store, we used his discount... A LOT!)... opening sealed containers, and discovering, "Why the heck did I buy so much of THIS item??"  A bucket I've been using for a step stool, is full of once fired brass, 30 years old, cleaned & nicely preserved.  Powder, primers, brass - some stuff I bought at 1.5-3 cents per, is going for 20 times that, at the moment, most of it is worth 3x what I bought it for.  Unboxed an RCBS electric case trimmer, the grease was dried out, the mandrel was frozen in place - no rust, but, glued in place.  There's no way we could possibly afford any of this stuff now.

So, I got to thinking, here on the farmette, maybe something a little bigger, but slower might be a better choice?
And then there's the "versatility" question, some bullets can be loaded into a large variety of cartridges, like the .30 caliber stuff... 300 BLK, 308 WIN, 30-06, 300 WIN Mag - in theory, subsonic to 3500fps...   Kinda leaning in that direction, probably keep the smaller stuff though, for those pesky Varmints.
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Re: Gun Caliber considerations
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2020, 04:54:46 PM »
thanks!
.243 is an awesome, flat shooter, great reputation, with plenty of knock down power for hunting.
We have a Rem 700 bolt .223, a tack driver out to 100yrds, but ever where we've lived, it's illegal for larger game!
So is a 22-250, and .222, etc, but, hunting rifles are based on "caliber" instead of energy in So. Virginia.
For that reason, I'm thinking of transitioning everything smaller to either .257 or .308 - dumping the .224 (22 caliber) stuff.

As we're finally getting into reloading ... and have everything from 30yrs ago (friend of ours worked at a large sporting goods store, we used his discount... A LOT!)... opening sealed containers, and discovering, "Why the heck did I buy so much of THIS item??"  A bucket I've been using for a step stool, is full of once fired brass, 30 years old, cleaned & nicely preserved.  Powder, primers, brass - some stuff I bought at 1.5-3 cents per, is going for 20 times that, at the moment, most of it is worth 3x what I bought it for.  Unboxed an RCBS electric case trimmer, the grease was dried out, the mandrel was frozen in place - no rust, but, glued in place.  There's no way we could possibly afford any of this stuff now.

So, I got to thinking, here on the farmette, maybe something a little bigger, but slower might be a better choice?
And then there's the "versatility" question, some bullets can be loaded into a large variety of cartridges, like the .30 caliber stuff... 300 BLK, 308 WIN, 30-06, 300 WIN Mag - in theory, subsonic to 3500fps...   Kinda leaning in that direction, probably keep the smaller stuff though, for those pesky Varmints.
I have heard nothing but good on the .257. i only know a couple of people who hunt with them, but do they ever brag on it, and they are good on both small and medium game. Which is pretty much all we have here. I would not hesitate to use on some of the big boars we have, some up to 300 lbs. Good luck on reloading, I have always wanted to try but after the last shortage i kinda lost control. I will not ever shoot up what I have.  :thumbup: :lol:

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Re: Gun Caliber considerations
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2020, 05:24:24 PM »
I have heard nothing but good on the .257. i only know a couple of people who hunt with them, but do they ever brag on it, and they are good on both small and medium game. Which is pretty much all we have here. I would not hesitate to use on some of the big boars we have, some up to 300 lbs. Good luck on reloading, I have always wanted to try but after the last shortage i kinda lost control. I will not ever shoot up what I have.  :thumbup: :lol:

A neighbor of ours is desperate to get a 6.5 Grinelle (sp) - claims it is the perfect caliber.   Never mind it's practically a .25 caliber!
At my age, I figure it's time to start loading up and shooting off some of this stuff I've been hanging on to for 30-35 years.  :lol:
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