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Group Survival Exercise
« on: July 15, 2011, 12:43:50 PM »
Another game.. :) Yay! On this one you can work in a group and discuss to get the answers. Here's the scenario:

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      You and your companions have just survived the crash of a small plane.  Both the pilot and co-pilot were killed in the crash.  It is mid-January , and you are in Northern Canada.  The daily temperature is 25 below zero, and the night time temperature is 40 below zero.  There is snow on the ground, and the countryside is wooded with with several creeks criss-crossing the area.  The nearest town is 20 miles away.  You are all dressed in city clothes appropriate for a business meeting.  Your group of survivors managed to salvage the following items:

A ball of steel wool
A small ax
A  loaded  .45-caliber pistol
Can of Crisco shortening
Newspapers (one per person)
Cigarette lighter (without fluid)
Extra shirt and pants for each survivor
20 x 20 ft. piece of heavy-duty canvas
A sectional air map made of plastic
One quart of 100-proof whiskey
A  compass
Family-size chocolate bars (one per person)

Your task as a group is to list the above 12 items in order of importance for your survival.  List the uses for each.  You  MUST come to agreement as a group.



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Re: Group Survival Exercise
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2011, 12:52:12 PM »
Thats pretty good for a discussion.

What is neat, is they gave you everything to survive for a few days until you can find food.
A ball of steel wool is a perfect fire starter and the flint in the lighter along with the alcohol for lighter fluid will get it going right away.
Canvas will make for a good shelter and all can huddle at night to keep warm and dry.

Now to go moose hunting. 8)

But I suggest a bahn fire immediately and all stay put and wait for help, twenty miles through snow in street clothes is certain death.
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Re: Group Survival Exercise
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2011, 08:55:39 PM »
How many survivors?  I am going to assume six, just to have a number to work with. ( until told otherwise.)
Also, to keep it simple, the wreckage is now unreachable, otherwise there is a lot of usable stuff not mentioned.
Twenty miles through rough terrain would be unwise to hike, but not bad for signaling, especially if you have a sectional (aviation map) and a compass to maximize the effectiveness of your signals.
There is lots of winter left, and if there are two bodies available, they should be stored in a way that will be protected from scavengers. But storage can wait. other things need to happen first, and right now.
#1) Shirt and pants
#2) Newspapers
Everybody needs to put on the extra shirt and pants, and stuff them with their newspapers. Maybe make hoods out of the newspapers as well.
#3) 20 x20 Canvas tarp
Pitch the canvas into some kind of shelter.
#4) Can of Crisco
Dig a hole in the snow and dump the crisco out of the can and into the snow hole to collect later. Some of the crisco can be rubbed on hands and faces to add a little insulation and to help prevent chapping.
#5) Pour a small amount of  whiskey into the can. ( Some of the twigs can soak in the whiskey so they will burn longer and more efficiently.) Pour some more into the lighter
#6) Lighter
#7) A small Axe.
Hopefully, some in the group have been collecting firewood and twigs for tinder. An axe will help as hands are going to be painfull and less able to be used to pick dry wood from trees.
#8) Steel wool
Try this as your starter tinder, in conjunction with the alcohol soaked twigs.
You have a rudimentary shelter, and heat.
#9) Map
Orient yourself, figure out how far away not only towns are, but other features that might be very close that could aid in your rescue. Power lines, water towers, major roads that are used as flight references are shown on Sectionals. It might not be best to travel to, but if it does come to that, it is good to know where they are. They might be close enough to signal from or even used as a shelter.
#10) Compass
Get oriented more accurately.
#11) Squares of Chocolate.
I am not sure how big a family bar of chocolate is. But Chocolate could be portioned out at regular intervals to boost moral.
#12) Loaded Pistol
At first, as protection from large animals it will give people a sense of security. It could be used as a signaling device as well, or for damaging power or phone lines or transformers so repair crews will come to fix them.
 
There are a lot of holes to fill here, like adding insulation to the canvas shelter, and what the best signals are and when to use them, or even using business ties for cordage. It will be interesting to see what some of the other list orders are and how we work together to come up with the best order for our group.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Why do police cars almost always arrive in pairs? Because every officer knows that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

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Re: Group Survival Exercise
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2011, 06:47:16 AM »
You can go with 6 survivors if you wish :) There are a few things on the list that say you have 1 for each individual, so the exact number of survivors could change. But 6 does sound like a good number :)

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Re: Group Survival Exercise
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2011, 12:38:27 PM »
How many survivors?  I am going to assume six, just to have a number to work with. ( until told otherwise.)
Also, to keep it simple, the wreckage is now unreachable, otherwise there is a lot of usable stuff not mentioned.
Twenty miles through rough terrain would be unwise to hike, but not bad for signaling, especially if you have a sectional (aviation map) and a compass to maximize the effectiveness of your signals.
There is lots of winter left, and if there are two bodies available, they should be stored in a way that will be protected from scavengers. But storage can wait. other things need to happen first, and right now.
#1) Shirt and pants
#2) Newspapers
Everybody needs to put on the extra shirt and pants, and stuff them with their newspapers. Maybe make hoods out of the newspapers as well.
#3) 20 x20 Canvas tarp
Pitch the canvas into some kind of shelter.
#4) Can of Crisco
Dig a hole in the snow and dump the crisco out of the can and into the snow hole to collect later. Some of the crisco can be rubbed on hands and faces to add a little insulation and to help prevent chapping.
#5) Pour a small amount of  whiskey into the can. ( Some of the twigs can soak in the whiskey so they will burn longer and more efficiently.) Pour some more into the lighter
#6) Lighter
#7) A small Axe.
Hopefully, some in the group have been collecting firewood and twigs for tinder. An axe will help as hands are going to be painfull and less able to be used to pick dry wood from trees.
#8) Steel wool
Try this as your starter tinder, in conjunction with the alcohol soaked twigs.
You have a rudimentary shelter, and heat.
#9) Map
Orient yourself, figure out how far away not only towns are, but other features that might be very close that could aid in your rescue. Power lines, water towers, major roads that are used as flight references are shown on Sectionals. It might not be best to travel to, but if it does come to that, it is good to know where they are. They might be close enough to signal from or even used as a shelter.
#10) Compass
Get oriented more accurately.
#11) Squares of Chocolate.
I am not sure how big a family bar of chocolate is. But Chocolate could be portioned out at regular intervals to boost moral.
#12) Loaded Pistol
At first, as protection from large animals it will give people a sense of security. It could be used as a signaling device as well, or for damaging power or phone lines or transformers so repair crews will come to fix them.
 
There are a lot of holes to fill here, like adding insulation to the canvas shelter, and what the best signals are and when to use them, or even using business ties for cordage. It will be interesting to see what some of the other list orders are and how we work together to come up with the best order for our group.

 
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Re: Group Survival Exercise
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2011, 05:54:28 PM »
If you could use the plane wreckage for shelter you could survive a long time under these conditions. 
I would keep a fire going 24/7 and have some material handy that would make a lot of smoke in a hurry.
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Re: Group Survival Exercise
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2011, 06:06:22 PM »
I think the implication is the plane is not accessable. thus the list is finite.There might be some variables because of some of the specifics, such as two of the survivors might have smaller feet that the pilot and co- pilot, so they might be able to wrap neckties around their feet for added insulation and stick them in the larger shoes. Ties can be used for mittens as well, or earmuffs.
Did I understand correctly we are to list and explain the twelve items, ot did I overthink the objective?
 
Why do police cars almost always arrive in pairs? Because every officer knows that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

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Re: Group Survival Exercise
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2011, 06:22:27 PM »
If you could use the plane wreckage for shelter you could survive a long time under these conditions. 
I would keep a fire going 24/7 and have some material handy that would make a lot of smoke in a hurry.
I was thinking the same thing, and making use of the tires as a good smoke signal.
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Re: Group Survival Exercise
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2011, 06:28:57 PM »
I think the implication is the plane is not accessable. thus the list is finite.There might be some variables because of some of the specifics, such as two of the survivors might have smaller feet that the pilot and co- pilot, so they might be able to wrap neckties around their feet for added insulation and stick them in the larger shoes. Ties can be used for mittens as well, or earmuffs.
Did I understand correctly we are to list and explain the twelve items, ot did I overthink the objective?

You got it, I missed it. :-[
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Re: Group Survival Exercise
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2011, 03:29:51 PM »
Rachel, sorry this didn't go further. Hopefully it won't discourage you from coming up with more exercises like this. Thanks!
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Re: Group Survival Exercise
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2012, 10:56:23 PM »
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Re: Group Survival Exercise
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2012, 07:36:25 PM »
Sorry to have answered this so late.

I would consider the axe the most important survival tool, you need a cutting instrument or devise in ANY survival situation FIRST.

So with the Axe I can cut firewood, fire wood to keep warm in the cold, and getting firewood and starting a fire with the materials listed
Steel wool Lighter, Alcohol (which can be used as fuel for the fire) is the #1 priority...the cold can kill you in a matter of an hour or so. Who ever is cutting the wood needs to wear the most clothes.

The Axe can be used to modify your shelter or to salvage parts off the wrecked (aluminum) airplane to build a better shelter or form other tools from the metal material or cut the rubber tires of the airplane & can be used for a type of snow shoe to negotiate thru the snow.

The pistol is important, a 45 could be down a larger game animal such as a deer, Caribou or Turkey...so much the better if the animal is stranded in the snow. Use the axe to butcher and cook the animal.

I would build the fire up really high, attract a rescue party, if not delegate the strongest and fittest of the survivors to go for help using the map, compass and improvised snow shoes and warmest clothing.

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Re: Group Survival Exercise
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2013, 07:05:39 PM »
Thanks, Billy! This thread has sadly been unused for too long- it should have generated more opinions. No opinion is wrong in this kind of exercise, but I wonder why you feel that a person expending heat energy should wear more clothing/ insulation than the others? It makes sense that they should have some insulating layers after chopping wood, but why wear heavy layers while working hard?
Why do police cars almost always arrive in pairs? Because every officer knows that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

 

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