Go Bag In An Emergency, Could Rat You Out.

Started by Solar, December 09, 2015, 06:53:26 AM

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Hit and Run Driver Ratted Out By Her Car

Yeah, this is more of a tech story, or is it?
First, here's the link for those interested.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2015/12/07/this-smart-car-seems-to-have-tattled-on-its-driver/

But here's my point, with so many cars now linking with cell service, or simply pairing with you cell ph. or even satellite.
How easily could most of you vanish if necessary?
It's something to keep in mind, with every new tech gadget making our lives easier, safer??
It would be easy to forget that we're connected when we think we're not, or try and escape.

Take RFID tags in products you buy, even survivalist clothing has them, every Walmart product has one, maybe you think your GPS is safe, but is it really?
Point is, we live in a world where even the most harmless, innocuous of product can be used to find us, so can you really claim you could escape completely off the grid, or from the grid?

Kind of makes you want to recheck your Go Bag, doesn't it?
Remember, foil is your friend, so pack some next chance you get and wrap that debit card, DL, library card etc., in foil when you bug out.
Assuming you don't want to be found, that is.
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There are RFID shielding wallets and passport holders you can buy.  I used to own one, but it wore out, you couldn't really tell the difference from a normal wallet.

If you're driving, a few other things to remember... cameras can read a license plate and track you without any RF signals.  If you have one of those transponders for tolls (we call them EZ-Pass here), that's a giant long range RFID tag.

Hoofer

Quote from: mhughes on December 09, 2015, 07:01:17 AM
There are RFID shielding wallets and passport holders you can buy.  I used to own one, but it wore out, you couldn't really tell the difference from a normal wallet.

If you're driving, a few other things to remember... cameras can read a license plate and track you without any RF signals.  If you have one of those transponders for tolls (we call them EZ-Pass here), that's a giant long range RFID tag.

It's not just the government that tracks license plates:
http://www.ispyconnect.com/plugins.aspx
Everyone can....  and after I get the last IP camera installed in the fence along the roadway, I'll be recording EVERY vehicle that passes by & logging to servers.   When my mailbox gets smashed again, I'll have a side-view of the vehicle, both end views, and maybe even the face of the perp. 
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Solar

Quote from: Hoofer on December 09, 2015, 10:12:44 AM
It's not just the government that tracks license plates:
http://www.ispyconnect.com/plugins.aspx
Everyone can....  and after I get the last IP camera installed in the fence along the roadway, I'll be recording EVERY vehicle that passes by & logging to servers.   When my mailbox gets smashed again, I'll have a side-view of the vehicle, both end views, and maybe even the face of the perp.
Perfect example of someone thinking they can escape unseen.
Even simple innocuous weather cams in peoples front yards make up an intricate web of eyes for authorities to access at any given moment, making it easy to track ones movements headed out of town, giving them a pretty good idea of where one is headed.

Add to that, a warrant for smart phone data, and they have years of data as to where you've traveled, including the hideout you created in the wilderness 3 years back when you thought no one was looking.
Surprise, satellites were tracking, Google was storing your data, and NSA just created a warrant for said information.
And Toy wonders why I never carry a cell phone.... :rolleyes:
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Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2015, 10:23:57 AM
Perfect example of someone thinking they can escape unseen.
Even simple innocuous weather cams in peoples front yards make up an intricate web of eyes for authorities to access at any given moment, making it easy to track ones movements headed out of town, giving them a pretty good idea of where one is headed.

Add to that, a warrant for smart phone data, and they have years of data as to where you've traveled, including the hideout you created in the wilderness 3 years back when you thought no one was looking.
Surprise, satellites were tracking, Google was storing your data, and NSA just created a warrant for said information.
And Toy wonders why I never carry a cell phone.... :rolleyes: 

The reason I want a record (or database) of the vehicular traffic, is really quite simple.
When the perp comes by at NIGHT, and all I've got is a lousy IR image of his vehicle, I'll be able to match the shape, style, and possibly the driver with the perp to the daytime videos & pictures.

Unless a driver has some kind of IR receiver, they'll drive by at night, and never see the IR illumination I've planted along the roadway fence.  Day or night, I've got them, and nobody even knows they're on 4 cameras.   If they tried to shoot-em-out, too bad, the telephoto lenses already have the area blanketed.   

If it was legal, I'd add a cell phone jammer so they'd keep moving down the road.   If I could also capture the cell phone data as they drive by my 1/4 mile road front, I'd have another way to pinpoint the perp with a were-you-at-blank-address-at-zero-dark-30?

Electronically, there's a bunch of other stuff, like a low-power FM, multi-station transmitter - the antenna would be so close to the passing cars, it would easily drown out the big stations with just milliwatts of power.  Just to freak 'em out, I'd broadcast something like, "Beep, Beep, Beep - warning!  Lose Dobermans in the area!"   or, "Dobermans can outrun a deer - except, they wouldn't be running away from you...."  How about, "the women in this area are marksmen, capable of shooting a walnut off a tree at 200 yards.  Think before you lose yours..."   

But my all time favorite, just a sign on the fence is enough..., "WARNING:  Monkeys.  Their bite is quite painful and highly infectious!"   My, my.... nothing is scarier than your imagination!
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je_freedom

Quote from: Hoofer on December 09, 2015, 02:38:17 PM
"WARNING:  Monkeys.  Their bite is quite painful and highly infectious!"   My, my.... nothing is scarier than your imagination!

FLYING monkeys?  Aaaaaaaaa!

Quote from: Solar on December 09, 2015, 06:53:26 AM
Take RFID tags in products you buy, even survivalist clothing has them, every Walmart product has one,

Put the garment in the microwave and zap it for a few seconds.  Fries the chip.
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Quote from: je_freedom on December 18, 2015, 10:34:10 PM
FLYING monkeys?  Aaaaaaaaa!

Put the garment in the microwave and zap it for a few seconds.  Fries the chip.
Unfortunately they do tend to explode in flames a bit.
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"WARNING:  Monkeys.  Their bite is quite painful and highly infectious!"   

Yup, I read a story about a guy that lived out in the sticks, but every Tom, Dick and Harry kept keeping him from doing his work (he was a blacksmith).  In the wintertime, with the shop nice a hot from his forge, they'd all gather around and though he liked to talk as much as the rest, he wasn't getting any work done.  All these farmers were over at his place, just as soon as they got their chores done - right about the time that coke/coal was just about right to start work for the day.  They'd park their behinds and the poor guy was constantly asking them to move away from the forge.

The Blacksmith tried all kinds of signs, "warning private property", "viscious dog", "no tresspassing", etc., pretty much ready to give up, until a salesman gave him the hint, "Monkeys"...   "Just tell a couple of the big mouths, you got a couple of monkeys, and a week or so later, tell the same guys, they got loose - better not come around until they're rounded up!  Just to be sure, post a sign, WARNING:  Monkeys.  Their bite is quite painful and highly infectious!.  Tell them it's for insurance reasons, and that'll take care of it."  It worked, and so he was able to work again, the farmers found another joint to hang out in the winter months & get out of the house.

Imagine hearing stories (made up, of course), some guy was just walking to his barn, and one of those ornery little buggers swung down, latched onto his neck, and the poor guy nearly bleeded out!  Or a fella was picking apples for the table, and got jumped by 2 of them, screaming and howling, and wouldn't you know it, every bite festered and swelled up, real painful like, he's got scars today!  Or the two boys that sneaked into that fellas garden, going after some of his sweet corn... that one kid couldn't sit down for a week, and all those rabies shots, the other still limps - never did see those critters again, but you can hear them rustling through the corn and hooting at the moon (when the wind is just right).  And they're really quick, but lucky their kinda territorial, I'll bet that Blacksmith puts out food to keep them around...

Yup, the imagination can be a terrifying thing, better than an old fashioned horror movie.
"WARNING:  Monkeys.  Their bite is quite painful and highly infectious!"   
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kroz

Quote from: Hoofer on December 20, 2015, 11:40:48 AM
"WARNING:  Monkeys.  Their bite is quite painful and highly infectious!"   

Yup, I read a story about a guy that lived out in the sticks, but every Tom, Dick and Harry kept keeping him from doing his work (he was a blacksmith).  In the wintertime, with the shop nice a hot from his forge, they'd all gather around and though he liked to talk as much as the rest, he wasn't getting any work done.  All these farmers were over at his place, just as soon as they got their chores done - right about the time that coke/coal was just about right to start work for the day.  They'd park their behinds and the poor guy was constantly asking them to move away from the forge.

The Blacksmith tried all kinds of signs, "warning private property", "viscious dog", "no tresspassing", etc., pretty much ready to give up, until a salesman gave him the hint, "Monkeys"...   "Just tell a couple of the big mouths, you got a couple of monkeys, and a week or so later, tell the same guys, they got loose - better not come around until they're rounded up!  Just to be sure, post a sign, WARNING:  Monkeys.  Their bite is quite painful and highly infectious!.  Tell them it's for insurance reasons, and that'll take care of it."  It worked, and so he was able to work again, the farmers found another joint to hang out in the winter months & get out of the house.

Imagine hearing stories (made up, of course), some guy was just walking to his barn, and one of those ornery little buggers swung down, latched onto his neck, and the poor guy nearly bleeded out!  Or a fella was picking apples for the table, and got jumped by 2 of them, screaming and howling, and wouldn't you know it, every bite festered and swelled up, real painful like, he's got scars today!  Or the two boys that sneaked into that fellas garden, going after some of his sweet corn... that one kid couldn't sit down for a week, and all those rabies shots, the other still limps - never did see those critters again, but you can hear them rustling through the corn and hooting at the moon (when the wind is just right).  And they're really quick, but lucky their kinda territorial, I'll bet that Blacksmith puts out food to keep them around...

Yup, the imagination can be a terrifying thing, better than an old fashioned horror movie.
"WARNING:  Monkeys.  Their bite is quite painful and highly infectious!"

You are full of really great stories, Hoofer!!   :laugh:

This story reminded me of the times when I have been in places where I was literally swamped with monkeys.

There is a mountain on the island of Lombok, Indonesia that is full of monkeys.  If you stop your car they will all come running toward you.  You can feed them bananas.  However, you had better be careful because they are thieves of the first order!!!  They especially like to steal shiny things like gold earrings.  They will yank them out of your ears... which can be very painful.  They will also steal your camera or anything else they think they can carry away with them up the mountain.   :laugh: :laugh:

I was in a similar situation in the Chitwan National Forrest, Nepal.  The trees were so thick with monkeys that it was unbelievable!  The noise level was so loud that you could not carry on a conversation without screaming at someone.  There were literally hundreds and hundreds of monkeys.  We humans were the zoo and the monkeys came to check us out and laugh at us!   :laugh:   A lot of animals came to check us out.  I felt like I was the zoo animal the entire time I was there!!

Hoofer

Quote from: kroz on December 20, 2015, 03:36:46 PM
This story reminded me of the times when I have been in places where I was literally swamped with monkeys.

There is a mountain on the island of Lombok, Indonesia that is full of monkeys.  If you stop your car they will all come running toward you.  You can feed them bananas.  However, you had better be careful because they are thieves of the first order!!!  They especially like to steal shiny things like gold earrings.  They will yank them out of your ears... which can be very painful.  They will also steal your camera or anything else they think they can carry away with them up the mountain.   :laugh: :laugh:

All I want to know, Did you ever get bit by one of them?  Heck, I'd throw all the change from my truck's cup holder to make my escape!  They'd find my lying by the side of the road, bleeding out, "throw 'em another quarter!  I'm all out!"
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Hoofer

Quote from: kroz on December 20, 2015, 03:36:46 PM
However, you had better be careful because they are thieves of the first order!!! 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3371629/Monkey-steals-bus-crashes-two-parked-vehicles-driver-takes-nap-India.html
QuoteOne of the most bizarre traffic accidents of the year has taken place in northern India, where a monkey stole and crashed a bus.
The monkey managed to start the engine of the bus while the driver was taking a nap - and even got it moving.
The bus hit two other vehicles parked in the garage in Bareilly, Uttar Pradesh state, before the driver was able to regain control. 

I want to see the Bus Cam....!  Changing that sign to:

Warning:  Monkeys!  They bite, steal earings and Buses!
All animals are created equal; Some just take longer to cook.   Survival is keeping an eye on those around you...

Late-For-Lunch

Quote from: Hoofer on December 09, 2015, 10:12:44 AM
It's not just the government that tracks license plates:
http://www.ispyconnect.com/plugins.aspx
Everyone can....  and after I get the last IP camera installed in the fence along the roadway, I'll be recording EVERY vehicle that passes by & logging to servers.   When my mailbox gets smashed again, I'll have a side-view of the vehicle, both end views, and maybe even the face of the perp.

One word of caution - you might want to check with law enforcement or an attorney on placement  / directional aiming of your camera. In some circumstances, one may be sued successfully if a camera on one's property is focused /pointed at something other than your own property. I know this because I spoke with someone in my neighborhood who had a chat with local LEOs about a camera he was installing on his property. Sympathetic LACSD deputies told him that as long as the camera was focused at infinity and/or primarily on one's own property, any activity observed on the camera was likely to be admissible in court. If however the camera view is pointing away from one's property entirely, it is difficult to get it admitted into evidence due to a requirement for permitting and/or something to do with documenting what is being looked at beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Quote from: Late-For-Lunch on April 29, 2016, 01:35:47 PM
One word of caution - you might want to check with law enforcement or an attorney on placement  / directional aiming of your camera. In some circumstances, one may be sued successfully if a camera on one's property is focused /pointed at something other than your own property. I know this because I spoke with someone in my neighborhood who had a chat with local LEOs about a camera he was installing on his property. Sympathetic LACSD deputies told him that as long as the camera was focused at infinity and/or primarily on one's own property, any activity observed on the camera was likely to be admissible in court. If however the camera view is pointing away from one's property entirely, it is difficult to get it admitted into evidence due to a requirement for permitting and/or something to do with documenting what is being looked at beyond a reasonable doubt.

Thanks for the tip!   One is zoomed in on the mailbox across the property, also capturing the driveway.  Two more will face eachother, from the ends of the property along the roadway, 1500' apart, I'll make sure they capture the right-of-way and my property only.  We should be ok. 
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