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Re: First gun
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2013, 07:45:45 PM »
I keep a bunch of junk in my yard, along with a big American flag flying.

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Re: First gun
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2013, 09:24:50 AM »
I keep three by the bed, each has it's unique purpose.
Really, a gun is only good if you have time to hold it and think for a moment, but if you have to think, "should I go for the gun, or hit him with anything I can grab", the gun might get used against you, grab something and bludgeon the guy to death, .

Keep a gun in the bathroom where you shower, you are at your most vulnerable there.

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Re: First gun
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2013, 06:02:03 AM »
Nobody mentioned the good ole pellet gun.

No help for HD, but for cheap and legal target practice out in the yard, there's nothing better. If you can fire accurately with a pellet gun, you can do it with any gun. The only difference is the recoil. :wink:

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Re: First gun
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2013, 12:14:57 PM »
Nobody mentioned the good ole pellet gun.

No help for HD, but for cheap and legal target practice out in the yard, there's nothing better. If you can fire accurately with a pellet gun, you can do it with any gun. The only difference is the recoil. :wink:
This is not neccesarilty (completely) true with all pellet guns.  Using a spring powered gun for the best accuracy it is neccesary to only loosely hold the gun without pushing it into your shoulder; in order to avoid vibration from throwing off aim. Nevertheless, your point is good.
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Re: First gun
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2013, 04:51:18 PM »
This is not neccesarilty (completely) true with all pellet guns.  Using a spring powered gun for the best accuracy it is neccesary to only loosely hold the gun without pushing it into your shoulder; in order to avoid vibration from throwing off aim. Nevertheless, your point is good.
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Yep. A lot of accuracy though, has to do with getting comfortable with a gun; to the point that it feels like an extension of your own body, as opposed to a foreign object in your hand. That's all I was saying. A pellet gun works.

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Re: First gun
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2013, 07:29:48 PM »
If whatever gun you chose is secured correctly there should be no problem with kids, then again you have the responsibility of teaching the kid not to mess with it at all...
I learned to shoot with a 357,,,, that was fun,,,, I also like 22's to,they are lots of fun,,,I like the action of an Ithica, its smooth and doesnt take much.   A 9mm is a bit to much but I can mark it and park it with no problem,,,t depends on what your needs are and what feels good so you can handle it.  If you are serious,,, go to a gun store and they will fit you with a gun and tell you where you can take classes for gun everything.... if theres one thiing I was taught,,, whatever your choice is make sure you can handle it, make sure you are comfortable with it... if not, you worry to much about what the guns doing instead of what you need to do,,,even if its shooting at a can or bottle....
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Re: First gun
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2013, 05:25:15 AM »
I don't know much about guns, but shooting through the walls of your home might kill own of your family members. Are there shotgun loads or bullets that are designed to have enough power to stop an attacker but lose energy rapidly if they penetrate walls?
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Re: First gun
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2013, 07:29:41 AM »
I don't know much about guns, but shooting through the walls of your home might kill own of your family members. Are there shotgun loads or bullets that are designed to have enough power to stop an attacker but lose energy rapidly if they penetrate walls?
Bean bag loads, rock salt, even ice loads if you don't mind running to the freezer for your loads.
Point is, you can replace the load of a shell with anything your heart desires.

But I would think anyone that is going to shoot through a wall, be it a 12 gauge or a 44, would be well aware of the surrounding area, from pets to a neighbors wall, there are risks anytime you pull the trigger that you might have collateral damage.

It's weird, but to this day I remember taking aim at a perps heart and pulling the trigger.
Everything around was tunnel vision, a blur, all but the target, but I also remember after the fact, all the people coming out of their homes to see what was going on, had the gun fight lasted longer than a minute, there most likely would have been other, even bigger problems.

Just something to consider, which is why I like the shot gun, had I had one on that day, the situation would have turned out very different and all those people would never have been in any danger, buck shot doesn't carry very far.
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Re: First gun
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2013, 09:39:14 AM »
I think what solar says is one reason that if you get a gun for HD, you really need to get familiar with it.  A whole lot of things change when you are aiming your gun for real and you do not want to be figuring out how to use it.  With bird shot a really close range some will make their way through a wall or a door but they will not be a danger to anyone for very much distance.  They sell ammo that opens up the patter pretty quick which is probably much better in a HD situation.  I think the shot gun is idea for a lot of reasons.  One can be purchased at a pretty low price although I would not buy the lowest cost you can get because I have and had problems with their actions.  The ammo is not overly expensive and there are lots of ranges where you can practice.  I also agree that there are few on this earth that would not know what the sound of cycling a round into a pump shotgun is all about.  I think that in most instances the invader is not going to hand around.   

Hunter safety courses are usually free and probably a good place to start as they are mostly about gun safety with some hunting tossed in.   Gun shops would now where safety courses are as well.   As far as shotguns being plugged I do believe that is because that is the normal regulation for hunting.  I do not think it is illegal to take those plugs out for personal use but check your local rules to be sure. 

The plug is just a piece of plastic that prevents the spring from being compressed all the way.   I have never had a problem with a remington pump, but had had problems with mossburg.   

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Re: First gun
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2013, 10:08:21 AM »
I think what solar says is one reason that if you get a gun for HD, you really need to get familiar with it.  A whole lot of things change when you are aiming your gun for real and you do not want to be figuring out how to use it.  With bird shot a really close range some will make their way through a wall or a door but they will not be a danger to anyone for very much distance.  They sell ammo that opens up the patter pretty quick which is probably much better in a HD situation.  I think the shot gun is idea for a lot of reasons.  One can be purchased at a pretty low price although I would not buy the lowest cost you can get because I have and had problems with their actions.  The ammo is not overly expensive and there are lots of ranges where you can practice.  I also agree that there are few on this earth that would not know what the sound of cycling a round into a pump shotgun is all about.  I think that in most instances the invader is not going to hand around.   

Hunter safety courses are usually free and probably a good place to start as they are mostly about gun safety with some hunting tossed in.   Gun shops would now where safety courses are as well.   As far as shotguns being plugged I do believe that is because that is the normal regulation for hunting.  I do not think it is illegal to take those plugs out for personal use but check your local rules to be sure. 

The plug is just a piece of plastic that prevents the spring from being compressed all the way.   I have never had a problem with a remington pump, but had had problems with mossburg.
All good advice, and as you noted, there are all kinds of shot one can use that have a shorter traveling distance.
Granted, they still carry quite a distance, but pack no real punch beyond a few hundred feet, maybe a bit more if they have no obstructions.
My Mossberg 12gauge came with instructions on how to remove the plug, I think it opened it up for three additional rounds.
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Re: First gun
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2013, 08:57:03 PM »
I would recommend a shotgun before getting a handgun. Nothing beats a shotgun for home defense and versatility, you can also go hunting with it and thats where one really learns to handle a firearm.

My recommendation for a handgun for a novice is a 38 five shot revolver. There are simpler to use, clean and learning to fire than a semi auto. A person with a smaller hand like your wife can learn to use it quite well.

There are lots of places that will teach you the basic of shooting, if you join the NRA they have lists of places to shoot in your state and those who will teach the fundamentals of firearm safety.




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