I have thought about this on a number of occasion and hope you have also. What would you be willing to do to survive. Steal ,kill ? Kill a stranger is one thing how about some one very close to you ? Drink your own urine or maybe eat another human ? What price are you willing to pay to survive. Could you survive mentally if you did some of these things ?

I have thought about it, even been in a couple of situations, and thats how I know that each one comes with it's own unique set of challenges.
You may be in a life threatening situation with a buddy, and he puts his life on the line for you, but the next time may be different, maybe the two of you are starving, hunger can make people do strange things.

Myself, it depends on many factors, but for a loved one, I will give up my life, no doubt about it.
Even risked my life for total strangers a few times, it all depends on the circumstances.

I know that doesn't really answer your question, but there is no real true answer for all situations.

Good question....hard to answer,,, having never been ,,,well no I can't claim that.  Yes... I am almost positive I could. If the threat was in my face real.  If all probabilites of not having to, showed must do. I think I could.  I would puke my guts out later and go nuts for a while,,,but I think I could.  A loved one would be difficult,,,, I think I would try to fix first, but then again in a full blown survival situation,,,,,, thats where that meet here and become a viable surviving team would be in full force...
Elfie

That tells me a lot about all of you and thank you for being true critical thinkers and truthful. Your my kind of people and ones I wouldn't mind watching my back. Some of the Joe Rambo types will say they could do it all and come out with a Tarzan yell. Those are the ones that probably have never been tested and I would be very weary of them :o

It's a very good question Bob, and one I hope no one ever has to experience.
It comes down to core values, something that may take a little soul searching on their part.

I dislike the Rambo types..... I have run into a few...but they get kinda krinky...

Honestly Bob - I know Solar would do almost anything to protect me.  Even from myself.... :) :)

    I would like to think I would do what had to be done for the survival of the group I was committed to. The question for me is at which point would I adjust my moral position to allow my group to survive, and would the group be able to accept those choices for themselves? Think Donner Party here. Or the Soccer team in the Andes.

     Beyond that, No matter how well fortified you are at first, eventually you will most likely join groups of other people as everyones supplies run out. Even self sufficient family units are going to have to occaisionally get together. Skills of other people will be needed, and it is human nature to socialize.  If you don't think so, hope you like banjo music.

     In the early days when you are protecting your family and everyone is running around or holed up, you cannot depend on the police. Hurricane Katrina was a good model. Much of the police force abused there status and was looting and abusing their positions. Some abandond their posts to protect their families. Not judging, but police are people too.

     I would not want to, and would avoid it if possible, but I would put myself in harms way to protect my group as long as there was a known benefit. If my sacrifice would harm the group, it is not worth it.
Depending on the environment, I think I would  probably use human flesh as bait before I would use it as a meal. When you are talking cannibalism though, hopefully that will never have to be an option.


   

To be honest with all of you, I don't know any of you beyond this forum, so putting my life on the line for any of you is a non-starter.  Nothing personal.  I would need to develop a face-to-face relationship first, know a lot more about each and every one of you, then take it from there.

The biggest mistake a person or group can make is to TRUST "other" people too much.  Think of strangers as car salesman, lawyers, insurance salesman, or politicians.  Proceed with extreme caution.  It may save your life or the lives of other members of your group.

I don't know of any "Rambo" types in here.  Most of us are too damn OLD to be Rambos.   ;D

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on December 12, 2010, 01:56:05 PM
To be honest with all of you, I don't know any of you beyond this forum, so putting my life on the line for any of you is a non-starter.  Nothing personal.  I would need to develop a face-to-face relationship first, know a lot more about each and every one of you, then take it from there.

The biggest mistake a person or group can make is to TRUST "other" people too much.  Think of strangers as car salesman, lawyers, insurance salesman, or politicians.  Proceed with extreme caution.  It may save your life or the lives of other members of your group.

I don't know of any "Rambo" types in here.  Most of us are too damn OLD to be Rambos.   ;D

I am no "Rambo" but dam I am good with a bow and arrows even at my age. LOL  ;D  My brother is 80 and giving classes yet.

  Which raises the question... who would be in your group,,what qualities would they bring to make said group a functioning unit?   Would the group include those that did not have a talent of somekind that would benefit the group, excluding the old ones of course....

Quote from: Elfie on December 13, 2010, 07:12:55 AM
  Which raises the question... who would be in your group,,what qualities would they bring to make said group a functioning unit?   Would the group include those that did not have a talent of somekind that would benefit the group, excluding the old ones of course....

Ever since the beginning of time, there have been the lowly garbage man.
Someone has to do the dirty jobs, if they want to live.

Quote from: Solar on December 13, 2010, 07:24:39 AM
Ever since the beginning of time, there have been the lowly garbage man.
Someone has to do the dirty jobs, if they want to live.

giggling just a bit,,, I would think all of em would be some hard work.... :)

Quote from: Elfie on December 13, 2010, 07:33:52 AM
giggling just a bit,,, I would think all of em would be some hard work.... :)

I was discerning between the hunters and warriors, those that can do neither, had to clean up after those that could.

I get your point though, about simply caring for your fellow man.
But I think it differs from city to rural domiciles.
For instance, in my area, we would work together separately, in the city, I would imagine people would have to group closely together.

Quote from: Solar on December 13, 2010, 07:45:15 AM
I was discerning between the hunters and warriors, those that can do neither, had to clean up after those that could.

I get your point though, about simply caring for your fellow man.
But I think it differs from city to rural domiciles.
For instance, in my area, we would work together separately, in the city, I would imagine people would have to group closely together.

i understand..... it would be ugly and pretty darned gross at that.....