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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8o2I-CaJ9s
Quote from: Solar on July 11, 2019, 01:17:48 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8o2I-CaJ9s
Right on the money! :thumbup:
Quote from: walkstall on July 11, 2019, 05:19:31 PM
Right on the money! :thumbup:
This why I no longer watch "Professional Sports", they let a bunch of overpaid yahoos disrespect us and our Nation. My answer was to never watch again. This coach has the Right answer.
Good for this coach. That spineless hack Goddell should hire him for a little pep talk, maybe the NFL would get it's ratings back.
This guy is what we expected when I was playing sports. It is sad we have evolved to where this guy is unique.
If you all don't mind my asking why does this matter to you all and this coach what someone does during the national anthem? Did anyone who kneel cause a public disturbance and disrupt the ceremony? Did they cause anyone bodily harm or spit on anyone? Did anyone of them affect you personally in any kind of way? It would be one thing if they heckled the ceremony like SJWs did with Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos and other speakers but I don't see how kneeling, sitting and/or staying silent is disrespect?
Why do you all care so much about this?
And, finally I've been to a few games. Why wasn't the concession stands closed during the national anthem and when people when to get something to eat during this national anthem why didn't anyone say anything to them?
Quote from: alienhand on July 12, 2019, 06:44:13 AM
If you all don't mind my asking why does this matter to you all and this coach what someone does during the national anthem? Did anyone who kneel cause a public disturbance and disrupt the ceremony? Did they cause anyone bodily harm or spit on anyone? Did anyone of them affect you personally in any kind of way? It would be one thing if they heckled the ceremony like SJWs did with Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos and other speakers but I don't see how kneeling, sitting and/or staying silent is disrespect?
Why do you all care so much about this?
And, finally I've been to a few games. Why wasn't the concession stands closed during the national anthem and when people when to get something to eat during this national anthem why didn't anyone say anything to them?
Get personal for a moment.
Think about someone you love most, now think about them being disrespected in front of you, be it at their funeral where someone dances on their grave and curses them and their relatives, spits on the flowers on their grave and sets fire to it.
As an American and a Vet, the flag holds all of this, it holds the memories of those who fought and died to protect our Rights to be able to have the freedoms we have today.As well as me personally for having chose to serve and protect their right to be (SIP), Stupid in Public.
The flag is America and to disrespect it, is to disrespect the memories and their loved ones who grieved their loss.
Quote from: alienhand on July 12, 2019, 06:44:13 AM
If you all don't mind my asking why does this matter to you all and this coach what someone does during the national anthem? Did anyone who kneel cause a public disturbance and disrupt the ceremony? Did they cause anyone bodily harm or spit on anyone? Did anyone of them affect you personally in any kind of way? It would be one thing if they heckled the ceremony like SJWs did with Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos and other speakers but I don't see how kneeling, sitting and/or staying silent is disrespect?
Why do you all care so much about this?
And, finally I've been to a few games. Why wasn't the concession stands closed during the national anthem and when people when to get something to eat during this national anthem why didn't anyone say anything to them?
Your actions speak louder than your words in your life time. I would not trust them with my freedom.
There is a lot you don't understand but then you do live on the government plantation.
Quote from: supsalemgr on July 12, 2019, 05:28:41 AM
This guy is what we expected when I was playing sports. It is sad we have evolved to where this guy is unique.
Exactly!!! Our coach's goal was to make men out of boys. That's what it has always been about, learning the rules of sportsmanship, working together towards a goal. If you complained, he'd say Fuck you, play, or get off the team.
Quote from: Solar on July 12, 2019, 07:27:07 AM
Get personal for a moment.
Think about someone you love most, now think about them being disrespected in front of you, be it at their funeral where someone dances on their grave and curses them and their relatives, spits on the flowers on their grave and sets fire to it.
Of course! I would feel disrespected. But, I don't see that in this case though. Colin and others never spat, danced, cursed or set anything on fire. He and others did nothing but kneel. No noise by them! No disruption by them!
Others who have burned the flag or spat on it are being disrespectful.
Quote from: Solar on July 12, 2019, 07:27:07 AM
As an American and a Vet, the flag holds all of this, it holds the memories of those who fought and died to protect our Rights to be able to have the freedoms we have today.As well as me personally for having chose to serve and protect their right to be (SIP), Stupid in Public.
The flag is America and to disrespect it, is to disrespect the memories and their loved ones who grieved their loss.
Again, how was kneeling disrespect? In fact, I think Colin and others are very respectful. They don't burn it, stomp on it, spit on it, etc. They simply in their way gave their respect while at the same time made a statement.
In fact, kneeling before something or someone could be argued to hold something in high regard. Why couldn't Colin and others hold the flag in high regard while at the same time making a statement against something? How is making a statement disrespect?
Quote from: alienhand on July 12, 2019, 07:57:02 AM
Of course! I would feel disrespected. But, I don't see that in this case though. Colin and others never spat, danced, cursed or set anything on fire. He and others did nothing but kneel. No noise by them! No disruption by them!
Others who have burned the flag or spat on it are being disrespectful.
Again, how was kneeling disrespect? In fact, I think Colin and others are very respectful. They don't burn it, stomp on it, spit on it, etc. They simply in their way gave their respect while at the same time made a statement.
In fact, kneeling before something or someone could be argued to hold something in high regard. Why couldn't Colin and others hold the flag in high regard while at the same time making a statement against something? How is making a statement disrespect?
By kneeling they are complicit in the actions of others. Like being the get away driver in a holdup.
Quote from: walkstall on July 12, 2019, 07:38:55 AM
Your actions speak louder than your words in your life time. I would not trust them with my freedom.
There is a lot you don't understand but then you do live on the government plantation.
1. Of course there is a lot that I don't understand. That's why I ask questions and challenge other people's views including my own. Their responses including yours even when they respond angrily sometimes gives me insight as to how others think.
2. Being on this forum has given me a greater understanding as to how the conservative mind works, why they think the way they do and how they get from A to B to C.
3. As for living on the gov't plantation a. SSDI is not welfare. and b. From now on, every time you state I'm on the gov't plantation I'm going to say "Henry Higgins."
Quote from: alienhand on July 12, 2019, 08:03:56 AM
1. Of course there is a lot that I don't understand. That's why I ask questions and challenge other people's views including my own. Their responses including yours even when they respond angrily sometimes gives me insight as to how others think.
2. Being on this forum has given me a greater understanding as to how the conservative mind works, why they think the way they do and how they get from A to B to C.
3. As for living on the gov't plantation a. SSDI is not welfare. and b. From now on, every time you state I'm on the gov't plantation I'm going to say "Henry Higgins."
Do you WORK for a living. (Yes or No)
Or do you live off other working people money. At your age if you do not work for a living you live on the government plantation, other peoples money.
Quote from: walkstall on July 12, 2019, 08:14:13 AM
Do you WORK for a living. (Yes or No)
Or do you live off other working people money. At your age if you do not work for a living you live on the government plantation, other peoples money.
Henry Higgins
Put it this way: you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
The flag, the anthem, the history, the memory, etc. is the reason we have Constitutional freedoms in the first place.
Quote from: Solar on July 12, 2019, 08:01:48 AM
By kneeling they are complicit in the actions of others. Like being the get away driver in a holdup.
Complicit to whom and what specific others?
Quote from: alienhand on July 12, 2019, 09:58:41 PM
Complicit to whom and what specific others?
reread what I wrote and think it through.
Quote from: Solar on July 12, 2019, 10:02:38 PM
reread what I wrote and think it through.
Solar, the burden is not up to me to think it through; the burden of proof is upon others to prove, explain and/or justify their claim.
Besides, I'm not Miss Cleo and I don't have psychic powers or telepathy.
Colin and others didn't disrupt anything, make noise, spat, set fires, etc by kneeling. Did they vandalize anything? They kneeled and remained silent. In fact, kneeling throughout history has been a form of respect and deference. How exactly did they spit on the flag and how were they disrespectful to those who fought for their freedom (I have questions about this part which I will bring up on another topic)? Colin and others were showing respect and deference while at the same time pointing out a major issue for black people.
Are you saying if I don't show respect in the exact way demanded then I'm being disrespectful? Even if I sat there, did nothing and said nothing I'm still being disrespectful?
I don't know but forcing ppl to sing or stand for a flag or national anthem does not in my mind celebrate our freedoms. If it does, I don't get it. And, what of some Christians who see that as breaking one of ten commandments as in worshiping other gods, idols and graven images. And, some believe this. If they started praying to God instead are they being disrespectful?
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 12, 2019, 03:02:03 PM
Put it this way: you don't bite the hand that feeds you.
The flag, the anthem, the history, the memory, etc. is the reason we have Constitutional freedoms in the first place.
And, how exactly are they biting the hand that feeds them?
When you live in America, you get special privileges. Those are Constitutional freedoms and rights that other countries don't give their citizens. Those freedoms and rights are represented by our flag and anthem.
By not respecting the American flag or the anthem, you are disrespecting the very privilege the flag and anthem represents.
To bite the hand that feeds you is to show ingratitude toward, or otherwise turn against.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 13, 2019, 01:55:49 AM
When you live in America, you get special privileges. Those are Constitutional freedoms and rights that other countries don't give their citizens. Those freedoms and rights are represented by our flag and anthem.
By not respecting the American flag or the anthem, you are disrespecting the very privilege the flag and anthem represents.
To bite the hand that feeds you is to show ingratitude toward, or otherwise turn against.
Ok! If it is so disrespectful to kneel during the national anthem then why are people buying food from the concession stands and no one is calling out their disrespect?
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article176437931.html
And...
How many people violate the flag code on a consistent basis?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
If it is really about disrespect to the flag and anthem then why aren't the violators of this code getting a verbal beating as well?
Why say something to Colin but not to others violating this flag code and others who go to the concession stands? Why keep the concession stands open during the anthem?
Quote from: alienhand on July 12, 2019, 10:37:41 PM
Solar, the burden is not up to me to think it through; the burden of proof is upon others to prove, explain and/or justify their claim.
Besides, I'm not Miss Cleo and I don't have psychic powers or telepathy.
Colin and others didn't disrupt anything, make noise, spat, set fires, etc by kneeling. Did they vandalize anything? They kneeled and remained silent. In fact, kneeling throughout history has been a form of respect and deference. How exactly did they spit on the flag and how were they disrespectful to those who fought for their freedom (I have questions about this part which I will bring up on another topic)? Colin and others were showing respect and deference while at the same time pointing out a major issue for black people.
Are you saying if I don't show respect in the exact way demanded then I'm being disrespectful? Even if I sat there, did nothing and said nothing I'm still being disrespectful?
I don't know but forcing ppl to sing or stand for a flag or national anthem does not in my mind celebrate our freedoms. If it does, I don't get it. And, what of some Christians who see that as breaking one of ten commandments as in worshiping other gods, idols and graven images. And, some believe this. If they started praying to God instead are they being disrespectful?
Wrong son, the words are there, they state quite clearly my meaning.
Society doesn't ask much, but it does demand that you respect the mores and conventions that embody the fundamental values of this Nation; Rights and Freedoms granted by God.
To do otherwise slaps in the face of those who fought so you could act like an ass in your insistence of disrespecting the symbol we rally around as a cohesive societal movement/norm.
The point is, if we all took the attitude that the flag was just a rag, that our Founding Ideals were meaningless,
society would collapse in a day and you could kiss your paycheck good bye. (does that make it clear?)
So I suggest you quit acting the fool and do as society expects, and respect the damn flag, stand with your hand over your heart and recite the Pledge!!!
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 06:05:28 AM
Wrong son, the words are there, they state quite clearly my meaning.
1. No, for me they don't.
2. Burden of proof means that it is upon the claimant to prove and/or explain his claim. No, it's not up to me to play guessing games or to "think it through" myself. If I make the claim unicorns exist it's up to me to proof this claim.
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 06:05:28 AM
Society doesn't ask much, but it does demand that you respect the mores and conventions that embody the fundamental values of this Nation; Rights and Freedoms granted by God.
So, if that's the case then why can't I personally choose to pledge to and be thankful to God directly? Why do I have to pledge to a flag, symbol, intermediary, etc?
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 06:05:28 AM
To do otherwise slaps in the face of those who fought so you could act like an ass in your insistence of disrespecting the symbol we rally around as a cohesive societal movement/norm.
How is kneeling disrespect though? If you see someone kneeling at a sports event during this anthem and doing nothing but kneeling how have they disturbed or disrupted anything? Did they set any fires, make any noises, spit, etc? How does that person impact your life?
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 06:05:28 AM
The point is, if we all took the attitude that the flag was just a rag, that our Founding Ideals were meaningless, society would collapse in a day and you could kiss your paycheck good bye. (does that make it clear?)
Again, how does kneeling take the attitude that the flag is a rag? What if a Christian didn't believe in doing the national anthem but prayed to God instead and prayed that the nation as a whole and the people have good health?
And, as for society collapsing other things could cause society's collapse anyway like a virus or resources become more and more scarce. Point is all you're doing is a slippery slope in which I and others don't put our hands on our hearts a series of events will happen that will cause it's collapse.
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 06:05:28 AM
So I suggest you quit acting the fool and do as society expects, and respect the damn flag, stand with your hand over your heart and recite the Pledge!!!
So, if I don't stand with my hand over my heart and recite the pledge word for word I'm disrespecting the flag. No questions asked! It's either all or nothing. No exceptions even if one was in a wheelchair or one didn't believe in doing the pledge cause he believed he was violating the commandment from God of worshiping other Gods. Or, one changes one's form and body position to a kneeling and submissive position to still show reverence and respect while still trying to make a statement and/or point. Ya, if one burns the flag or spits on it as protest ya I understand (and that is disrespectful) but kneeling and curtsying which was seen as a form of deference and respect for centuries is now seen as disrespectful.
Come on! Seriously? Do you realize how ridiculous this whole political theater is?
And, what about those who go to the concession stands?
Quote from: alienhand on July 13, 2019, 06:57:32 AM
1. No, for me they don't.
2. Burden of proof means that it is upon the claimant to prove and/or explain his claim. No, it's not up to me to play guessing games or to "think it through" myself. If I make the claim unicorns exist it's up to me to proof this claim.
That's your problem, not mine! My words were quite clear, your inability to understand them falls upon you to figure it out.
QuoteSo, if that's the case then why can't I personally choose to pledge to and be thankful to God directly? Why do I have to pledge to a flag, symbol, intermediary, etc?
How is kneeling disrespect though? If you see someone kneeling at a sports event during this anthem and doing nothing but kneeling how have they disturbed or disrupted anything? Did they set any fires, make any noises, spit, etc? How does that person impact your life?
Again, how does kneeling take the attitude that the flag is a rag? What if a Christian didn't believe in doing the national anthem but prayed to God instead and prayed that the nation as a whole and the people have good health?
Already explained, I won't do it again!
QuoteAnd, as for society collapsing other things could cause society's collapse anyway like a virus or resources become more and more scarce. Point is all you're doing is a slippery slope in which I and others don't put our hands on our hearts a series of events will happen that will cause it's collapse.
Again, already explained.
QuoteSo, if I don't stand with my hand over my heart and recite the pledge word for word I'm disrespecting the flag. No questions asked! It's either all or nothing.
That's Right! You are blessed to live in a country that grants you the freedom of speech, but your actions in the negative insult those who gave their lives so you could act like an ass.
Your standing for the pledge recognizes their sacrifices. Or are you telling me it's OK to dance on the graves of the fallen?
QuoteNo exceptions even if one was in a wheelchair or one didn't believe in doing the pledge cause he believed he was violating the commandment from God of worshiping other Gods.
Now you're grasping at straws. Knock it off if you want to be taken seriously!
QuoteOr, one changes one's form and body position to a kneeling and submissive position to still show reverence and respect while still trying to make a statement and/or point. Ya, if one burns the flag or spits on it as protest ya I understand (and that is disrespectful) but kneeling and curtsying which was seen as a form of deference and respect for centuries is now seen as disrespectful.
Disrespect is still disrespectQuoteCome on! Seriously? Do you realize how ridiculous this whole political theater is?
It's called societal norms, if you don't like it, then Fuckin Leave, no one is stopping you, but then, who will feed you?
QuoteAnd, what about those who go to the concession stands?
They all stop and face the flag as well, nothing changes just because you're standing in line.
What is wrong with you, that you can't show a little respect for those that fought and died protecting your freedoms?
Quote from: alienhand on July 13, 2019, 03:03:03 AM
Ok! If it is so disrespectful to kneel during the national anthem then why are people buying food from the concession stands and no one is calling out their disrespect?
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article176437931.html
And...
How many people violate the flag code on a consistent basis?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
If it is really about disrespect to the flag and anthem then why aren't the violators of this code getting a verbal beating as well?
Why say something to Colin but not to others violating this flag code and others who go to the concession stands? Why keep the concession stands open during the anthem?
There is a difference between being stuck in line for the restroom or concession in a packed stadium and intentionally disrespecting the anthem or flag. It is the intent. The whole point of a game is to entertain people. Selling the experience. Selling things along with it whether it is food, drink, or assorted crap.
If I am carrying an American flag and I accidently drop it, I immediately pick it up. My intent is to not disrespect it or harm it. If I am not outside in the main stadium grounds, I can't stand with others. My intent is not about disrespecting the anthem. When you are in a stadium with that many people during the average game, you are in a line for everything. To come in. To pee. To buy a hotdog. To leave.
Kneeling or sitting down during the anthem is disrespectful because that is the intent. Protocol is to stand with your right hand over your heart.
None of these people have to kneel or do anything during the anthem. I don't go to a mosque on Fridays and raise my middle fingers to the crowd. They don't kneel to the Mexican anthem or for other countries when police abuse is far more prevalent.
The act may be simple but their is no doubt what some of the sports players are sending to the crowd. If you do not want to participate then just stand there.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 13, 2019, 08:04:29 AM
There is a difference between being stuck in line for the restroom or concession in a packed stadium and intentionally disrespecting the anthem or flag. It is the intent. The whole point of a game is to entertain people. Selling the experience. Selling things along with it whether it is food, drink, or assorted crap.
If I am carrying an American flag and I accidently drop it, I immediately pick it up. My intent is to not disrespect it or harm it. If I am not outside in the main stadium grounds, I can't stand with others. My intent is not about disrespecting the anthem. When you are in a stadium with that many people during the average game, you are in a line for everything. To come in. To pee. To buy a hotdog. To leave.
Kneeling or sitting down during the anthem is disrespectful because that is the intent. Protocol is to stand with your right hand over your heart.
1. People have gotten up out of their seats or walked towards the concession stands during the games.
2. Shouldn't they shut the concession stands down.
3. And, people will be on their cell phone as well.
4. How do you know that was their intent? I saw them as being respectful but pointing out a problem. And, there in lies the crux. Respect and perception of disrespect is matter of subjective interpretation.
5. And, if we truthfully respected this flag and anthem then why don't people in this nation follow the flag code? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code
6. And, if it was really about intent then why make a deal about the protocol? Does the form matter or does substance matter?
Why do I see people wearing it on their pants and shirt all the time? Why don't no one say or complain about the concession stands being open during this anthem and clear violations of the flag code that happen all the time yet we bust Colin and other people's balls for kneeling?
If it really was about respecting the flag and anthem then these standards would be applied consistently and evenly to everyone. Looking at others, it is not and it makes me ask is it really about respecting the anthem and flag or is it about something else?
They are there to watch a game. People will stand during the anthem like they would with any sporting event. If they are not in their seats at time, we will not generally fault them given the situation. The players who kneel during the anthem do so intentionally. That is what this thread is about.
There is no problem. Most things Liberals point out is not a problem. It's fake outrage.
No, they should not close the concession stands. The only thing they should do is stop price-gauging to a captive audience. But, that is a different discussion.
Having the American flag on a T-shirt isn't a big deal. The only people complaining about that are people who hate the American flag.
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
That's your problem, not mine! My words were quite clear, your inability to understand them falls upon you to figure it out.
Clarity is a matter of interpretation.
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
Already explained, I won't do it again!
You didn't really explain much of anything.
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
Again, already explained.
Not really!
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
That's Right! You are blessed to live in a country that grants you the freedom of speech, but your actions in the negative insult those who gave their lives so you could act like an ass.
For the most part, I don't even go the games anyway for the most part. I've been maybe 1-3 times in my entire life.
Honestly, I don't think in a free country that one should be made to stand for some anthem or flag. At least one can't be arrested like one can in other countries but still. To force someone to stand for a national anthem and a flag goes against our very core principles. Even God himself said we wasn't supposed to have other gods before him so are we disrespecting God and spitting in his face by even having a pledge to a flag or having an anthem and seemingly worship it like it is a god? Some Christians think so.
Personally, I would never show up for these games for the most part and the only reason I showed up for the ones I did was to spend time with my family and I went through the motions of the anthem. Otherwise, I simply would never show up. One can't be disrespectful if one is not there in the first place.
If they want to really do something then simply don't show up where one knows the anthem will be played. Don't show up and boycott the games and the players like Colin should simply finish out their season, save their money and quit the team. In fact, I would say the coach is right. Get the fuck out! Don't show up! Boycott like they did the Montgomery bus boycots. How many blacks and other minorities are at these games? If blacks and other minorities quit showing up how much of a dent would one see in the NBA and NFL's profits especially if more team players quit and more don't bother to sign on?
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
Your standing for the pledge recognizes their sacrifices. Or are you telling me it's OK to dance on the graves of the fallen?
I disagree. I think forcing someone whether it is by law or the social veneer is spitting on their graves. That goes against our very principles of our nation. Other nations have anthems and pledges. Our nation is supposed to be the beacon of liberty, light and opportunity for others around the world to come to to uplift themselves. We're supposed to be better then making pledges and having anthems.
In fact, doesn't the Bible itself and God himself go against swearing of oaths?
But I say unto you, Swear not at all;
neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
— Matthew 5:34
How can any Christian swear and pledge the pledge of allegiance if one is not supposed to swear even by heaven?
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
Now you're grasping at straws. Knock it off if you want to be taken seriously!
Am I grasping at straws or am I asking questions of things I don't grasp or understand?
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
Disrespect is still disrespect
Of course disrespect is still disrespect. That's a tautology. It's like saying a bachelor is an unmarried person. But, you still have not explained well why kneeling is disrespect.
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
It's called societal norms, if you don't like it, then Fuckin Leave, no one is stopping you, but then, who will feed you?
Societal Norms huh? Yet, the same society that says be yourself, be true to yourself, be who you truly are yet demands things like eye contact even if I literally can't do it b/c it is fucking painful. A homosexual person who you all are against expressing who he is in front street and want him to go back to the closet and pretend that everything is fine and be double minded. If we're all expected to follow these societal norms in which we have no vote or say in while at the same time expected to be ourselves and be true to who we are then are we really free, do we really follow the principles of freedom and liberty or is it really Orwell's 1984 in which people don't say what they mean and mean what they say?
Society: Be Yourself!
Society: Not Like that!
Society: You're free!
Society: But we don't want you to be free in this way!
And, this makes absolutely 100% perfect sense to you.
My response to your love it or leave it!
Hotel California in which one can check out but one can never leave.
In other words, one has no right to reside anywhere. If one has to have a destination to go to in order to leave and one has no right to another destination besides one's birth country then logically one has no right to leave his birth country. Departure requires a destination. No one has a right to a destination. Therefore no one has a right to depart.
So, love it or leave it makes no sense.
One
As for SSDI, it is not welfare. It doesn't come from the taxpayers. It is money that was put in by myself and my employer when I could. So it is my money that I EARNED!!
As for how would I feed myself. If my SSDI is threatened Well, I'm going to learn the Bible better then I know and all the relevant quotes of the poor, disabled, etc. I will have some shirts with neurodiversity.com shirts with a cross on it and differing relevant quotes
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
They all stop and face the flag as well, nothing changes just because you're standing in line.
Some do! But not all! Some stay on their cell phones!
Quote from: Solar on July 13, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
What is wrong with you, that you can't show a little respect for those that fought and died protecting your freedoms?
Nothing is wrong with me except for my autism, concentration and motor coordination problems. Let's not forget the executive functioning and possibly central auditory processing disorder as well.
As for them dying for my freedoms? In some of our recent wars like the Gulf war in 91, war in Afghanistan, etc how were they protecting and fighting for my freedoms? What freedoms did Saddam Hussein take away from me, you and other people in the USA? Ya, he was a tin pot dictator who we as a nation helped to prop up and support and ya he took away freedoms in Iraq. But, how were my freedoms, your freedoms and everyone's freedoms here were taken away by Saddam Hussein? How have the wars we been in recently protected my freedoms? What about the United States invasion of Grenada by Ronald Reagan? What freedoms did that country take away or threaten to take away from us?
And, if we are truthfully free then why are men forced to sign a piece of paper under the selective service act that forces one to be called upon to fight in a war one might find objectionable.
As for showing respect for disrespect. Well, who are the definers of what respect and disrespect are? Me? God? the USA? And where was Walkstall's respect for Mexicans? How was using a racist slur of "wetback" showing respect? And, how was calling a Muslim, Muscum respect hmmmm? What does respect even mean? To me, it seems to mean whatever you all say it means and disrespect is whatever you all say it means? So, does that mean respect and disrespect is simply arbitrary and capricious?
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 15, 2019, 01:29:32 AM
They are there to watch a game. People will stand during the anthem like they would with any sporting event. If they are not in their seats at time, we will not generally fault them given the situation. The players who kneel during the anthem do so intentionally. That is what this thread is about.
Intent exists, yes but what is that intent geared for? Is it really intended to be disrespectful and hatred for one's country or is it intended to still show respect while at the same time pointing out an issue?
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 15, 2019, 01:29:32 AM
There is no problem. Most things Liberals point out is not a problem. It's fake outrage.
So, what is considered respect and disrespect are arbitrary and their enforcement by society is capricious and arbitrary then?
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 15, 2019, 01:29:32 AM
No, they should not close the concession stands. The only thing they should do is stop price-gauging to a captive audience. But, that is a different discussion.
Point is, if it is really about the flag, anthem and respect for the nation then what would be considered respectful would be applied consistently across the board. It is not.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 15, 2019, 01:29:32 AM
Having the American flag on a T-shirt isn't a big deal. The only people complaining about that are people who hate the American flag.
Not according to the flag code.
As for how would I feed myself. If my SSDI (my money) is threatened Well, I'm going to learn the Bible better then I know and all the relevant quotes of the poor, disabled, etc. I will learn the Bible anyway. I will have some shirts with neurodiversity.com shirts with a cross on it and differing relevant quotes on it.
I would not go to any gov't building or any protest march and do what antifa does. I would not destroy anyone's property and if I made a mess by accident I would clean it up. I would go to the churches (America's heartland) especially ones who are in the conservative areas. I would stand in the back and stay silent with my neurodiversity shirt on each day. I would hold up a big sign that quotes the quote for the poor and disabled. On it I would state I'm autistic and I need help to become employed. Are you all willing to be my Henry Higgins?
If they ask me to leave I will do so. If they yell or curse at me I will say to them "I hope God blesses you and your family." If they spit on me I will use a wipe to wipe the spit off of me.
Quote from: alienhand on July 15, 2019, 02:14:56 AM
Clarity is a matter of interpretation.
You didn't really explain much of anything.
Not really!
For the most part, I don't even go the games anyway for the most part. I've been maybe 1-3 times in my entire life.
Honestly, I don't think in a free country that one should be made to stand for some anthem or flag. At least one can't be arrested like one can in other countries but still. To force someone to stand for a national anthem and a flag goes against our very core principles. Even God himself said we wasn't supposed to have other gods before him so are we disrespecting God and spitting in his face by even having a pledge to a flag or having an anthem and seemingly worship it like it is a god? Some Christians think so.
Personally, I would never show up for these games for the most part and the only reason I showed up for the ones I did was to spend time with my family and I went through the motions of the anthem. Otherwise, I simply would never show up. One can't be disrespectful if one is not there in the first place.
If they want to really do something then simply don't show up where one knows the anthem will be played. Don't show up and boycott the games and the players like Colin should simply finish out their season, save their money and quit the team. In fact, I would say the coach is right. Get the fuck out! Don't show up! Boycott like they did the Montgomery bus boycots. How many blacks and other minorities are at these games? If blacks and other minorities quit showing up how much of a dent would one see in the NBA and NFL's profits especially if more team players quit and more don't bother to sign on?
I disagree. I think forcing someone whether it is by law or the social veneer is spitting on their graves. That goes against our very principles of our nation. Other nations have anthems and pledges. Our nation is supposed to be the beacon of liberty, light and opportunity for others around the world to come to to uplift themselves. We're supposed to be better then making pledges and having anthems.
In fact, doesn't the Bible itself and God himself go against swearing of oaths?
But I say unto you, Swear not at all;
neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
— Matthew 5:34
How can any Christian swear and pledge the pledge of allegiance if one is not supposed to swear even by heaven?
Am I grasping at straws or am I asking questions of things I don't grasp or understand?
Of course disrespect is still disrespect. That's a tautology. It's like saying a bachelor is an unmarried person. But, you still have not explained well why kneeling is disrespect.
Societal Norms huh? Yet, the same society that says be yourself, be true to yourself, be who you truly are yet demands things like eye contact even if I literally can't do it b/c it is fucking painful. A homosexual person who you all are against expressing who he is in front street and want him to go back to the closet and pretend that everything is fine and be double minded. If we're all expected to follow these societal norms in which we have no vote or say in while at the same time expected to be ourselves and be true to who we are then are we really free, do we really follow the principles of freedom and liberty or is it really Orwell's 1984 in which people don't say what they mean and mean what they say?
Society: Be Yourself!
Society: Not Like that!
Society: You're free!
Society: But we don't want you to be free in this way!
And, this makes absolutely 100% perfect sense to you.
My response to your love it or leave it!
Hotel California in which one can check out but one can never leave.
In other words, one has no right to reside anywhere. If one has to have a destination to go to in order to leave and one has no right to another destination besides one's birth country then logically one has no right to leave his birth country. Departure requires a destination. No one has a right to a destination. Therefore no one has a right to depart.
So, love it or leave it makes no sense.
One
As for SSDI, it is not welfare. It doesn't come from the taxpayers. It is money that was put in by myself and my employer when I could. So it is my money that I EARNED!!
As for how would I feed myself. If my SSDI is threatened Well, I'm going to learn the Bible better then I know and all the relevant quotes of the poor, disabled, etc. I will have some shirts with neurodiversity.com shirts with a cross on it and differing relevant quotes
Some do! But not all! Some stay on their cell phones!
Nothing is wrong with me except for my autism, concentration and motor coordination problems. Let's not forget the executive functioning and possibly central auditory processing disorder as well.
As for them dying for my freedoms? In some of our recent wars like the Gulf war in 91, war in Afghanistan, etc how were they protecting and fighting for my freedoms? What freedoms did Saddam Hussein take away from me, you and other people in the USA? Ya, he was a tin pot dictator who we as a nation helped to prop up and support and ya he took away freedoms in Iraq. But, how were my freedoms, your freedoms and everyone's freedoms here were taken away by Saddam Hussein? How have the wars we been in recently protected my freedoms? What about the United States invasion of Grenada by Ronald Reagan? What freedoms did that country take away or threaten to take away from us?
And, if we are truthfully free then why are men forced to sign a piece of paper under the selective service act that forces one to be called upon to fight in a war one might find objectionable.
As for showing respect for disrespect. Well, who are the definers of what respect and disrespect are? Me? God? the USA? And where was Walkstall's respect for Mexicans? How was using a racist slur of "wetback" showing respect? And, how was calling a Muslim, Muscum respect hmmmm? What does respect even mean? To me, it seems to mean whatever you all say it means and disrespect is whatever you all say it means? So, does that mean respect and disrespect is simply arbitrary and capricious?
Your inability for empathy is noted.
OK, you don't get it, you never served your country, you never had to sacrifice anything, let alone study American history, I get it, you're downright ignorant, for whatever reason you chose the path of self absorbed individual and focused on yourself, societal norms and customs be damned.
But for your own sake and safety, never question anyone over their Patriotism and never insult our Nation, assuming you don't want to wake up in a hospital.
Not trying to be rude, but something tells me you're also incapable of love. You don't have to answer, but just know this, that's why God gave us dogs. Or, your case, cats.
Things are not perfect. Having an American flag T-shirt is no big deal. It is not an actual flag. It is a picture of a flag.
If you follow politics that not is Liberal biased, you will realize that that there is no problem.
There is also the thing of time an place: this is the same as celebrities using an awards show to complain about things. People just want to be entertained: watch a few performances, laugh at the ridiculous outfits these celebrities wear, and have a good time. We don't want to be lectured. The same goes for sporting events. Especially, with the amount of money the average person pays to attend with tickets, parking, concessions, and merchandise.
Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2019, 04:42:26 AM
Your inability for empathy is noted.
OK, you don't get it, you never served your country, you never had to sacrifice anything, let alone study American history, I get it, you're downright ignorant, for whatever reason you chose the path of self absorbed individual and focused on yourself, societal norms and customs be damned.
But for your own sake and safety, never question anyone over their Patriotism and never insult our Nation, assuming you don't want to wake up in a hospital.
Not trying to be rude, but something tells me you're also incapable of love. You don't have to answer, but just know this, that's why God gave us dogs. Or, your case, cats.
Solar, you have answered all of my questions right here with everything I need to know about the USA, the culture and the people. And, based upon your answers I know now how to regard the average Joe.
Truth is, Solar you were right when you said long ago that my expectations were to high. I expected logic, reason, empathy and love from others and the attitude that we're in this together. I know now that I can expect neither logic nor empathy from others. You were right, I was wrong Solar.
There is no hope for a society that makes competition and business as the business of our nation nor is there hope for a nation that claims to be a Christian nation in words yet in actions and thoughts makes money into its god.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7:15
I had to high of expectations of my fellow countrymen. I was wrong.
Quote from: alienhand on July 12, 2019, 11:47:57 AM
Henry Higgins
Now is that the best you can do? But then you don't work in the real working world for a living. You just live off the working tax payers.
Quote from: alienhand on July 15, 2019, 04:15:13 PM
Solar, you have answered all of my questions right here with everything I need to know about the USA, the culture and the people. And, based upon your answers I know now how to regard the average Joe.
Truth is, Solar you were right when you said long ago that my expectations were to high. I expected logic, reason, empathy and love from others and the attitude that we're in this together. I know now that I can expect neither logic nor empathy from others. You were right, I was wrong Solar.
There is no hope for a society that makes competition and business as the business of our nation nor is there hope for a nation that claims to be a Christian nation in words yet in actions and thoughts makes money into its god.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7:15
I had to high of expectations of my fellow countrymen. I was wrong.
Then fine, find another Nation willing to give you a free ride, but I guarantee you, only in a capitalist country are you going to find anything close to what you have here.
When I was in Korea nearly 50 years ago, (a dictatorship at the time) people like you took to begging on the streets, but since Korea's burgeoning economy, thanks to capitalism, they can now afford people like you and you are given affordable housing.
I'm not trying to be insulting, just posting a reality you fail to see. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I would think you would be grateful for what this Nation has given you and why you might understand our respect for our flag and what it represents. Can you not see that?
Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2019, 04:56:00 PM
Then fine, find another Nation willing to give you a free ride, but I guarantee you, only in a capitalist country are you going to find anything close to what you have here.
When I was in Korea nearly 50 years ago, (a dictatorship at the time) people like you took to begging on the streets, but since Korea's burgeoning economy, thanks to capitalism, they can now afford people like you and you are given affordable housing.
I'm not trying to be insulting, just posting a reality you fail to see. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I would think you would be grateful for what this Nation has given you and why you might understand our respect for our flag and what it represents. Can you not see that?
He live on the government plantation. He knows he don't have to work for a living. What other country could you not work for a living and yet have a computer and internet 24/7?
Quote from: walkstall on July 15, 2019, 04:53:43 PM
Now is that the best you can do? But then you don't work in the real working world for a living. You just live off the working tax payers.
Henry Higgins from Pygmalion and/or My Fair Lady.
Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2019, 04:56:00 PM
Then fine, find another Nation willing to give you a free ride, but I guarantee you, only in a capitalist country are you going to find anything close to what you have here.
When I was in Korea nearly 50 years ago, (a dictatorship at the time) people like you took to begging on the streets, but since Korea's burgeoning economy, thanks to capitalism, they can now afford people like you and you are given affordable housing.
I'm not trying to be insulting, just posting a reality you fail to see. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I would think you would be grateful for what this Nation has given you and why you might understand our respect for our flag and what it represents. Can you not see that?
You all see disrespect where none is intended.
Quote from: walkstall on July 15, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
He live on the government plantation. He knows he don't have to work for a living. What other country could you not work for a living and yet have a computer and internet 24/7?
Henry Higgins from Pygmalion and/or My Fair Lady.
Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2019, 04:56:00 PM
Then fine, find another Nation willing to give you a free ride, but I guarantee you, only in a capitalist country are you going to find anything close to what you have here.
When I was in Korea nearly 50 years ago, (a dictatorship at the time) people like you took to begging on the streets, but since Korea's burgeoning economy, thanks to capitalism, they can now afford people like you and you are given affordable housing.
I'm not trying to be insulting, just posting a reality you fail to see. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I would think you would be grateful for what this Nation has given you and why you might understand our respect for our flag and what it represents. Can you not see that?
Are you freaking kidding me? People like me are begging in the streets anyway. Most people like me are not even in the labor force whatsoever.
Quote from: alienhand on July 16, 2019, 05:34:22 AM
Are you freaking kidding me? People like me are begging in the streets anyway. Most people like me are not even in the labor force whatsoever.
Most people in the world have problems that they live with day in and day. But they don't let that stop them from being in the labor force. That why we have so many doctors and psychiatrist. Being handicap is a way of life for a lot of people, YOU are not special.
Quote from: alienhand on July 15, 2019, 10:29:34 PM
You all see disrespect where none is intended.
Then stop arguing on their behalf!!! Yes, reread your earlier posts.
Quote from: alienhand on July 16, 2019, 05:34:22 AM
Are you freaking kidding me? People like me are begging in the streets anyway. Most people like me are not even in the labor force whatsoever.
By choice genius!! No one has to live on the streets unless they want to. Don't believe the lies of the left, nearly all homeless on the street are druggies.
Some choose the lifestyle, others prey off of them as in dealing and stealing, but not one of them has to be there.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 15, 2019, 09:46:00 AM
Things are not perfect. Having an American flag T-shirt is no big deal. It is not an actual flag. It is a picture of a flag.
You have a point on that one. I didn't think of it like that. I guess a representation or copy of the flag is ok. I guess the flag code only applies to the actual flag not copies or representations.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 15, 2019, 09:46:00 AM
If you follow politics that not is Liberal biased, you will realize that that there is no problem.
Alright, I will concede the whole flag code thing. I didn't think of it the way you thought of it.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 15, 2019, 09:46:00 AM
There is also the thing of time an place: this is the same as celebrities using an awards show to complain about things. People just want to be entertained: watch a few performances, laugh at the ridiculous outfits these celebrities wear, and have a good time. We don't want to be lectured. The same goes for sporting events. Especially, with the amount of money the average person pays to attend with tickets, parking, concessions, and merchandise.
Well, I do see what you're saying about time and place and especially about being lectured. On the other hand, I don't like to be forced to do anthems as well if I'm going somewhere to be entertained. And, I don't think kneeling is disrespect to the troops. Another thing, I don't think pledging to a flag and being forced to do that national anthem is the only way to honor the troops.
And, if we must honor the troops why don't we honor those who grow food for the troops as well and those who make and transport other supplies like toilet paper. Why don't we honor those who create Kevlar vests, guns and bullets? Without these things there would be no troops and warfare and defending one's freedoms?
In fact, why don't we honor the teachers who get such a pitiful salary while dealing with all sorts of shit while these sports stars gets millions. Let's take this further. Let's honor the teachers who teach the academics needed when having various jobs in the military by giving the teachers millions while giving the players the teacher's salary.
Without the rest of the people to play the other roles how could the soldiers do any of these things in this poem? https://www.khouse.org/articles/2004/565/
Shouldn't others outside of soldiers get honor as well since they make the soldier possible? Why don't we honor them, pledge for them, etc?
Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2019, 06:50:48 AM
By choice genius!! No one has to live on the streets unless they want to. Don't believe the lies of the left, nearly all homeless on the street are druggies.
Some choose the lifestyle, others prey off of them as in dealing and stealing, but not one of them has to be there.
So, no matter the circumstances no matter the thought process you believe everyone has a choice, the exact same choices, the ability to execute the steps for said choices and understanding of what one's choices are?
We all have a choice but do we all have choices in the exact same way, form and understanding?
And, can others influence the possible choices one has or what choices one thinks one has?
And, can neurology and mental illness impact's one's choices and perception of the choices one has as well?
It's not as simple as you think it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage
What was this man's choices b4 his accident and after his accident? What were his perceptions b4 and after his accident? Did these perceptions, his thought process b4 and after influence what he believed to be true and the choices he had?
The serenity prayer
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
Some professions deserve a little respect: truck drivers who have to be days or weeks away from their families, firemen who have to march in to a burning building, farmers who have to constantly mind the crops, etc.
Honor teacher/person, not teachers/profession. Some teachers are no better than college professors. Liberal indoctrination at an earlier age.
Just do what everybody else does during the anthem: mumble through the parts you forget, and then sing loudly the parts you know.
Quote from: walkstall on July 16, 2019, 06:46:59 AM
Most people in the world have problems that they live with day in and day. But they don't let that stop them from being in the labor force. That why we have so many doctors and psychiatrist. Being handicap is a way of life for a lot of people, YOU are not special.
A. Most people in the world have problems...
This is true.
B. But they don't let that stop them from being in the labor force.
This presumes that one has 100% absolute say in the labor force. Others still choose to hire them and others still choose to buy from them. So, what you say is absolute 1000% retarded bullshit.
C. That is why we have so many doctors and psychiatrists.
Actually, what you said here is actually true but our medical system and care is what it is and the best one can get right now. You want to know why we have so many doctors and psychiatrists and why it is the way it is. It's because the medical and mental health industry is a business that is in the business of treating their patients and not curing them. If you cure them or provide effective solutions there is no money to be made. It is the profit motive at work.
It is why I quit seeing them. I realized what was going on.
D. Being handicap is a way of life for a lot of people.
Well of course it is a way of life. Being handicap impacts and influences what choices one has and it has helped influenced and shaped who they are as a person. If I didn't have aspergers I would be a totally different person. Being Handicap is a part of one's life.
E. YOU are not special.
No one person is exactly alike in genetics and personality. Identical twins come close but even then there are still differences. So, everyone is special since we're all unique and If I am a part of everyone then I am special as well. You and Solar are special as well.
Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 16, 2019, 09:07:21 AM
Some professions deserve a little respect: truck drivers who have to be days or weeks away from their families, firemen who have to march in to a burning building, farmers who have to constantly mind the crops, etc.
Honor teacher/person, not teachers/profession. Some teachers are no better than college professors. Liberal indoctrination at an earlier age.
Just do what everybody else does during the anthem: mumble through the parts you forget, and then sing loudly the parts you know.
I usually do that if I'm at any event or game where it is played. Doesn't mean I agree one should be forced to do it. I just think having an anthem and forcing others to do it is anti-american. That's just my opinion.
Usually, I simply aren't at these events I know the thing will be played at so for the most part for me the point is moot. I can't disrespect it or the troops if I'm not there to disrespect them.
Quite honestly, just b/c they're not being disrespectful doesn't mean that it even makes sense to do or it would accomplish anything. If they really wanted to accomplish something Colin should've just finished out the season, save up his money, quit the team and encourage others to save their money and quit their teams. And, then encourage others to boycott the games. Simple! If one doesn't go one can't be disrespectful if one isn't there in the first place. It worked for the Montgomery Bus system. They got rid of segregation quick once they realize they were losing business. You got to hit them in their pocketbooks.
And, usually I went to these things not to enjoy the game or praise the troops but simply to spend time with my family when they went.
But, personally, I'm not to fond of sports especially organized sports anyway so I have no desire to go cause of that anyway to go. And, people just act stupid at these things anyway and they're loud as fuck anyway. And, a lot of times I have no idea what's going on anyway so I simply don't like to be there especially with big crowds as well. So, it's all good.
It's just so stupid how people handle things sometimes.
Quote from: alienhand on July 16, 2019, 07:32:13 AM
I don't like to be forced to do anthems as well if I'm going somewhere to be entertained. And, I don't think kneeling is disrespect to the troops. Another thing, I don't think pledging to a flag and being forced to do that national anthem is the only way to honor the troops.
HYPOCRITE!!!
No one is forcing you to do anything! This country feeds and houses you and you can't see fit to honor those who gave their lives so you could sit on your ass and do nothing?
Do you not see a problem here?
Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2019, 09:34:36 AM
HYPOCRITE!!!
No one is forcing you to do anything! This country feeds and houses you and you can't see fit to honor those who gave their lives so you could sit on your ass and do nothing?
Do you not see a problem here?
A. Hypocrisy! You got me thinking here. Is it ever possible to follow one's beliefs to the absolute letter all the time for all of our lives. None of us are perfect so how can we. If it is true that none of us are perfect and all have come up short then are we all hypocrites? Can we follow our own standards with absolute perfection? No, we can't. We're all hypocrites in someway. I think I'm going to make an effort to not call anyone a hypocrite since no one is perfect.
B. As for forcing! If one is going to be punished socially and even with threats of physical violence then I think some force is involved. Which is why, I usually don't show up so there is no issue with me with disrespecting anyone. I guess in a sense if one chooses not to show up one is not forced.
C. This country feeds and houses you.... SSDI does not come from the taxpayers but from what I put in previously when I did work and from my previous employers as well. Besides, I don't get much from SSDI anyway so really it is my family that houses and feeds me and it is God who feeds me as well. So, no my country does not feed, house or clothe me. God and my family does and when my family needs help with something I'm there to do it. No questions asked. So, I owe my living not to my country but to my family and to God.
D. And, speaking of God. He knows way more then I and others do and I can only follow his word the best I can and hope he forgives me for any of my trespasses and transgressions against him. With that being said I accept Jesus Christ into my heart as my lord and savior and if I am in his will I hope he keeps me there and if I'm not there I hope he brings me there.
E. As for doing nothing and sitting on my ass Exodus 14:14 "The LORD will fight for you while you keep still."
Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2019, 09:34:36 AM
HYPOCRITE!!!
No one is forcing you to do anything! This country feeds and houses you and you can't see fit to honor those who gave their lives so you could sit on your ass and do nothing?
Do you not see a problem here?
Once again Alienhand has detracting from the conversation to fall back on the fact that he has a disability, as if it were to make any sort of a difference in a discussion that is exposing the anti-American doings of Kaepernick and those like him. Truth is, the flag stands for something that that something is the freedom and so many people take for granted these days. I think the coach was more then right to give this speech.
Quote from: ConservativeInCT on July 16, 2019, 10:23:21 AM
Once again Alienhand has detracting from the conversation to fall back on the fact that he has a disability, as if it were to make any sort of a difference in a discussion that is exposing the anti-American doings of Kaepernick and those like him. Truth is, the flag stands for something that that something is the freedom and so many people take for granted these days. I think the coach was more then right to give this speech.
Couldn't agree more. It seems people who never learned our history, are Hell bent on repeating it.
Quote from: alienhand on July 16, 2019, 09:18:11 AM
A. Most people in the world have problems...
This is true.
B. But they don't let that stop them from being in the labor force.
This presumes that one has 100% absolute say in the labor force. Others still choose to hire them and others still choose to buy from them. So, what you say is absolute 1000% retarded bullshit.
C. That is why we have so many doctors and psychiatrists.
Actually, what you said here is actually true but our medical system and care is what it is and the best one can get right now. You want to know why we have so many doctors and psychiatrists and why it is the way it is. It's because the medical and mental health industry is a business that is in the business of treating their patients and not curing them. If you cure them or provide effective solutions there is no money to be made. It is the profit motive at work.
It is why I quit seeing them. I realized what was going on.
D. Being handicap is a way of life for a lot of people.
Well of course it is a way of life. Being handicap impacts and influences what choices one has and it has helped influenced and shaped who they are as a person. If I didn't have aspergers I would be a totally different person. Being Handicap is a part of one's life.
E. YOU are not special.
No one person is exactly alike in genetics and personality. Identical twins come close but even then there are still differences. So, everyone is special since we're all unique and If I am a part of everyone then I am special as well. You and Solar are special as well.
alienhand the more I read your BS the more special I think you are. That SICK SPECIAL the only thing unique about you is you live off of other people money. Your just what we call a con artist years ago and a piss poor one at that.
As Solar has said you are just a government sucking HYPOCRITE!!!
Quote from: alienhand on July 16, 2019, 10:21:03 AM
A. Hypocrisy! You got me thinking here. Is it ever possible to follow one's beliefs to the absolute letter all the time for all of our lives. None of us are perfect so how can we. If it is true that none of us are perfect and all have come up short then are we all hypocrites? Can we follow our own standards with absolute perfection? No, we can't. We're all hypocrites in someway. I think I'm going to make an effort to not call anyone a hypocrite since no one is perfect.
B. As for forcing! If one is going to be punished socially and even with threats of physical violence then I think some force is involved. Which is why, I usually don't show up so there is no issue with me with disrespecting anyone. I guess in a sense if one chooses not to show up one is not forced.
C. This country feeds and houses you.... SSDI does not come from the taxpayers but from what I put in previously when I did work and from my previous employers as well. Besides, I don't get much from SSDI anyway so really it is my family that houses and feeds me and it is God who feeds me as well. So, no my country does not feed, house or clothe me. God and my family does and when my family needs help with something I'm there to do it. No questions asked. So, I owe my living not to my country but to my family and to God.
D. And, speaking of God. He knows way more then I and others do and I can only follow his word the best I can and hope he forgives me for any of my trespasses and transgressions against him. With that being said I accept Jesus Christ into my heart as my lord and savior and if I am in his will I hope he keeps me there and if I'm not there I hope he brings me there.
E. As for doing nothing and sitting on my ass Exodus 14:14 "The LORD will fight for you while you keep still."
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Nice attempt at derailing again. You were warned and claimed you would never do it again. Are you asking for a timeout?
But the fact remains, SSDI is funded for the most part by taxpayers, and you and I both know you never really contributed to it.
Your excuse of forcing is that of a 6 year old changing the subject with anecdotal nonsense, so cut the crap, we're not that stupid.
But you claim family gets 100% of your attention, so why can't a little of that appreciation go to the Nation that willingly gives you welfare? Simply paying homage to those that gave life and treasure so you can sit on the internet, really isn't asking all that much.
You may want to do a little soul searching as to where your priorities lie, because if not for those willing to lay down their lives for our country, you wouldn't even own a computer.
You do know, it was Americans who invented and developed the computer, Right? You are truly blessed to live here, so show a little respect!
Quote from: Solar on July 16, 2019, 02:15:31 PM
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Nice attempt at derailing again. You were warned and claimed you would never do it again. Are you asking for a timeout?
But the fact remains, SSDI is funded for the most part by taxpayers, and you and I both know you never really contributed to it.
Your excuse of forcing is that of a 6 year old changing the subject with anecdotal nonsense, so cut the crap, we're not that stupid.
But you claim family gets 100% of your attention, so why can't a little of that appreciation go to the Nation that willingly gives you welfare? Simply paying homage to those that gave life and treasure so you can sit on the internet, really isn't asking all that much.
You may want to do a little soul searching as to where your priorities lie, because if not for those willing to lay down their lives for our country, you wouldn't even own a computer.
You do know, it was Americans who invented and developed the computer, Right? You are truly blessed to live here, so show a little respect!
Derailing: Point taken! I said and I will do my best to stick to the topic. With that being said,I will create more topics.
As for forcing: Here is the word forcing defined by the Cambridge dictionary.
If by attending certain events or participating in certain events it requires me to do the national anthem or pledge in the exact form with no exceptions and the consequences of if I don't include getting my ass beat b/c some ex-marine feels I was "disrespectful" then that's the very definition of forcing. Even if one's intent was not to be disrespectful.
But making someone stand up for a pledge or anthem to me is anti-american and if one looks in the Bible itself it is anti-God.
The soldiers: Soldiers are willing to take a bullet by joining up in the first place and they know it. Do I respect them for that, yes I do. Do I think they're defending our freedoms? With the differing recent wars and conflicts we've been in like the Gulf war how are they doing that exactly? How are all of these wars, excursions and conflicts we've been in since the 80s and 90s defended anyone's freedoms? One of the few I do understand is getting Bin Laden and taking down al qaeda? Solar, all you're doing is speaking in bumper sticker slogan BS just like Darryl Worley with his song "Have you Forgotten?"
It doesn't give justification behind these wars and conflicts and how they protect our freedoms. And, by the way where were the WMDs Bush claimed Saddam Hussein had and we had to get over there quick to stop him from using them?
Part of respecting our flag, our nation, our values, our soldiers and their lives is to question and to demand accountability. Accountability not just from our gov't but from those who beat the drums of war. To ask them? Why? Why is this war necessary? Is there a better way? How does this war defend our freedoms? And, what should our national interests be exactly?
True patriotism is how I see above and not just standing for some flag or anthem and accepting what one is told blindly and w/o question and then punishing those who don't do it or do it with a differing form by threats of violence like jack-booted thugs.
Quote from: alienhand on July 17, 2019, 02:40:44 AM
Derailing: Point taken! I said and I will do my best to stick to the topic. With that being said,I will create more topics.
Cut the Bull Shit!!! You never said that, as evidenced by your own words. And no, I did not read beyond this point.
You derailed this thread on purpose, like an incorrigible child caught lying repeatedly, you use shit others let you get away with because you claim the victim card, as in "Disabled".
Well, that shit don't play here son. Grow the Fuck up!!!
I specifically warned you, so I can safely assume you were playing the defiance card as well and like a stupid child, challenged the rules. Well, I have news for ya, I punish spoiled children and make them abide by the rules. No doubt, this is something you're not used to, or you wouldn't have challenged me by purposely derailing it with another religious post.
As a rule, I generally don't post PM' in public, but obviously you need a reminder of what you said when I gave you another warning.
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Quote from: alienhand on July 10, 2019, 08:15:29 AM
Sorry for derailing that other thread! I did attempt to correct it to the best of my ability and I created another thread.
I do like this forum and still hope to remain on it. Please forgive my derailing of threads as I don't even realize I may be doing it as I tend to think with associations.
Example: The topic may be boxes. I notice an orange box in front of me. It makes me think of the color orange and how orange is a frequency on the visible spectrum which is a part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
I'm becoming better at not derailing but sometimes I forget.
I replied quite clearly that, "mention anything religious in the poli forum, that is an instant derail"QuoteQuote from: Solar on July 10, 2019, 08:24:46 AM
Never mention anything religious in the poli forum, that is an instant derail. Keep that in mind.
And your reply was a confirmation you understood the rules.QuoteDefinitely! No problem!
Is everything good now?
I specifically stated, that
the use of religion is a purposeful derail, and you stated "Please forgive my derailing of threads as I don't even realize I may be doing it".
You and I both know that was a lie, because after warning you, you broke the rules on purpose and went there, thinking it would throw off the topic and you would escape unscathed for your nonsense.
With that said, take a break.
I'm doing this publicly so others understand how you play the system with your "Victim" Card. Don't deny it. You can lie to yourself, but you can't bull shit me!!!
Walks, give him a Timeout, a week, two maybe, or more? Your call.
Quote from: Solar on July 17, 2019, 07:05:13 AM
Cut the Bull Shit!!! You never said that, as evidenced by your own words. And no, I did not read beyond this point.
You derailed this thread on purpose, like an incorrigible child caught lying repeatedly, you use shit others let you get away with because you claim the victim card, as in "Disabled".
Well, that shit don't play here son. Grow the Fuck up!!!
I specifically warned you, so I can safely assume you were playing the defiance card as well and like a stupid child, challenged the rules. Well, I have news for ya, I punish spoiled children and make them abide by the rules. No doubt, this is something you're not used to, or you wouldn't have challenged me by purposely derailing it with another religious post.
As a rule, I generally don't post PM' in public, but obviously you need a reminder of what you said when I gave you another warning.
I replied quite clearly that, "mention anything religious in the poli forum, that is an instant derail"
And your reply was a confirmation you understood the rules.
I specifically stated, that the use of religion is a purposeful derail, and you stated "Please forgive my derailing of threads as I don't even realize I may be doing it".
You and I both know that was a lie, because after warning you, you broke the rules on purpose and went there, thinking it would throw off the topic and you would escape unscathed for your nonsense.
With that said, take a break.
I'm doing this publicly so others understand how you play the system with your "Victim" Card. Don't deny it. You can lie to yourself, but you can't bull shit me!!!
Walks, give him a Timeout, a week, two maybe, or more? Your call.
Done!