As for how would I feed myself.  If my SSDI (my money) is threatened Well, I'm going to learn the Bible better then I know and all the relevant quotes of the poor, disabled, etc.  I will learn the Bible anyway. I will have some shirts with neurodiversity.com shirts with a cross on it and differing relevant quotes on it. 

I would not go to any gov't building or any protest march and do what antifa does.  I would not destroy anyone's property and if I made a mess by accident I would clean it up.     I would go to the churches (America's heartland) especially ones who are in the conservative areas.  I would stand in the back and stay silent with my neurodiversity shirt on each day.   I would hold up a big sign that quotes the quote for the poor and disabled.  On it I would state I'm autistic and I need help to become employed.   Are you all willing to be my Henry Higgins? 

If they ask me to leave I will do so.  If they yell or curse at me I will say to them "I hope God blesses you and your family."  If they spit on me I will use a wipe to wipe the spit off of me.

Quote from: alienhand on July 15, 2019, 02:14:56 AM
Clarity is a matter of interpretation. 

You didn't really explain much of anything.
Not really!
For the most part, I don't even go the games anyway for the most part.  I've been maybe 1-3 times in my entire life.   

Honestly, I don't think in a free country that one should be made to stand for some anthem or flag.  At least one can't be arrested like one can in other countries but still.  To force someone to stand for a national anthem and a flag goes against our very core principles.  Even God himself said we wasn't supposed to have other gods before him so are we disrespecting God and spitting in his face by even having a pledge to a flag or having an anthem and seemingly worship it like it is a god?   Some Christians think so.

Personally, I would never show up for these games for the most part and the only reason I showed up for the ones I did was to spend time with my family and I went through the motions of the anthem.  Otherwise, I simply would never show up.  One can't be disrespectful if one is not there in the first place. 

If they want to really do something then simply don't show up where one knows the anthem will be played.  Don't show up and boycott the games and the players like Colin should simply finish out their season, save their money and quit the team.  In fact, I would say the coach is right.  Get the fuck out!  Don't show up!  Boycott like they did the Montgomery bus boycots.  How many blacks and other minorities are at these games?   If blacks and other minorities quit showing up how much of a dent would one see in the NBA and NFL's profits especially if more team players quit and more don't bother to sign on?

I disagree.  I think forcing someone whether it is by law or the social veneer is spitting on their graves.   That goes against our very principles of our nation.   Other nations have anthems and pledges.  Our nation is supposed to be the beacon of liberty, light and opportunity for others around the world to come to to uplift themselves.  We're supposed to be better then making pledges and having anthems. 

In fact, doesn't the Bible itself and God himself go against swearing of oaths? 

But I say unto you, Swear not at all;
neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

— Matthew 5:34

How can any Christian swear and pledge the pledge of allegiance if one is not supposed to swear even by heaven?

Am I grasping at straws or am I asking questions of things I don't grasp or understand?


Of course disrespect is still disrespect.  That's a tautology.  It's like saying a bachelor is an unmarried person.  But, you still have not explained well why kneeling is disrespect.

Societal Norms huh?   Yet, the same society that says be yourself, be true to yourself, be who you truly are yet demands things like eye contact even if I literally can't do it b/c it is fucking painful.  A homosexual person who you all are against expressing who he is in front street and want him to go back to the closet and pretend that everything is fine and be double minded.    If we're all expected to follow these societal norms in which we have no vote or say in while at the same time expected to be ourselves and be true to who we are then are we really free, do we really follow the principles of freedom and liberty or is it really Orwell's 1984 in which people don't say what they mean and mean what they say? 

Society:  Be Yourself!
Society:  Not Like that!

Society:  You're free!
Society:  But we don't want you to be free in this way!

And, this makes absolutely 100% perfect sense to you.   

My response to your love it or leave it! 

Hotel California in which one can check out but one can never leave.

In other words, one has no right to reside anywhere.  If one has to have a destination to go to in order to leave and one has no right to another destination besides one's birth country then logically one has no right to leave his birth country.   Departure requires a destination.  No one has a right to a destination.  Therefore no one has a right to depart.

So, love it or leave it makes no sense.

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As for SSDI, it is not welfare.  It doesn't come from the taxpayers.  It is money that was put in by myself and my employer when I could.  So it is my money that I EARNED!!

As for how would I feed myself.  If my SSDI is threatened Well, I'm going to learn the Bible better then I know and all the relevant quotes of the poor, disabled, etc.   I will have some shirts with neurodiversity.com shirts with a cross on it and differing relevant quotes
Some do!  But not all!  Some stay on their cell phones!

Nothing is wrong with me except for my autism, concentration and motor coordination problems.  Let's not forget the executive functioning and possibly central auditory processing disorder as well.

As for them dying for my freedoms?  In some of our recent wars like the Gulf war in 91, war in Afghanistan, etc how were they protecting and fighting for my freedoms?   What freedoms did Saddam Hussein take away from me, you and other people in the USA?  Ya, he was a tin pot dictator who we as a nation helped to prop up and support and ya he took away freedoms in Iraq.  But, how were my freedoms, your freedoms and everyone's freedoms here were taken away by Saddam Hussein?  How have the wars we been in  recently protected my freedoms?    What about the United States invasion of Grenada by Ronald Reagan?  What freedoms did that country take away or threaten to take away from us?   

And, if we are truthfully free then why are men forced to sign a piece of paper under the selective service act that forces one to be called upon to fight in a war one might find objectionable.

As for showing respect for disrespect.  Well, who are the definers of what respect and disrespect are?  Me?   God?  the USA?   And where was Walkstall's respect for Mexicans?  How was using a racist slur of "wetback" showing respect?   And, how was calling a Muslim, Muscum respect hmmmm?   What does respect even mean?  To me, it seems to mean whatever you all say it means and disrespect is whatever you all say it means?  So, does that mean respect and disrespect is simply arbitrary and capricious?

Your inability for empathy is noted.
OK, you don't get it, you never served your country, you never had to sacrifice anything, let alone study American history, I get it, you're downright ignorant, for whatever reason you chose the path of self absorbed individual and focused on yourself, societal norms and customs be damned.
But for your own sake and safety, never question anyone over their Patriotism and never insult our Nation, assuming you don't want to wake up in a hospital.
Not trying to be rude, but something tells me you're also incapable of love. You don't have to answer, but just know this, that's why God gave us dogs. Or, your case, cats.

Things are not perfect. Having an American flag T-shirt is no big deal. It is not an actual flag. It is a picture of a flag.

If you follow politics that not is Liberal biased, you will realize that that there is no problem.

There is also the thing of time an place: this is the same as celebrities using an awards show to complain about things. People just want to be entertained: watch a few performances, laugh at the ridiculous outfits these celebrities wear, and have a good time. We don't want to be lectured. The same goes for sporting events. Especially, with the amount of money the average person pays to attend with tickets, parking, concessions, and merchandise.

Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2019, 04:42:26 AM
Your inability for empathy is noted.
OK, you don't get it, you never served your country, you never had to sacrifice anything, let alone study American history, I get it, you're downright ignorant, for whatever reason you chose the path of self absorbed individual and focused on yourself, societal norms and customs be damned.
But for your own sake and safety, never question anyone over their Patriotism and never insult our Nation, assuming you don't want to wake up in a hospital.
Not trying to be rude, but something tells me you're also incapable of love. You don't have to answer, but just know this, that's why God gave us dogs. Or, your case, cats.

Solar, you have answered all of my questions right here with everything I need to know about the USA, the culture and the people.  And, based upon your answers I know now how to regard the average Joe.

Truth is, Solar you were right when you said long ago that my expectations were to high.   I expected logic, reason, empathy and love from others and the attitude that we're in this together.  I know now that I can expect neither logic nor empathy from others.  You were right, I was wrong Solar.

There is no hope for a society that makes competition and business as the business of our nation nor is there hope for a nation that claims to be a Christian nation in words yet in actions and thoughts makes money into its god.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 7:15

I had to high of expectations of my fellow countrymen.  I was wrong.

Quote from: alienhand on July 12, 2019, 11:47:57 AM
Henry Higgins

Now is that the best you can do?  But then you don't work in the real working world for a living.  You just live off the working tax payers.

Quote from: alienhand on July 15, 2019, 04:15:13 PM
Solar, you have answered all of my questions right here with everything I need to know about the USA, the culture and the people.  And, based upon your answers I know now how to regard the average Joe.

Truth is, Solar you were right when you said long ago that my expectations were to high.   I expected logic, reason, empathy and love from others and the attitude that we're in this together.  I know now that I can expect neither logic nor empathy from others.  You were right, I was wrong Solar.

There is no hope for a society that makes competition and business as the business of our nation nor is there hope for a nation that claims to be a Christian nation in words yet in actions and thoughts makes money into its god.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 7:15

I had to high of expectations of my fellow countrymen.  I was wrong.

Then fine, find another Nation willing to give you a free ride, but I guarantee you, only in a capitalist country are you going to find anything close to what you have here.
When I was in Korea nearly 50 years ago, (a dictatorship at the time) people like you took to begging on the streets, but since Korea's burgeoning economy, thanks to capitalism, they can now afford people like you and you are given affordable housing.
I'm not trying to be insulting, just posting a reality you fail to see. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I would think you would be grateful for what this Nation has given you and why you might understand our respect for our flag and what it represents. Can you not see that?

Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2019, 04:56:00 PM
Then fine, find another Nation willing to give you a free ride, but I guarantee you, only in a capitalist country are you going to find anything close to what you have here.
When I was in Korea nearly 50 years ago, (a dictatorship at the time) people like you took to begging on the streets, but since Korea's burgeoning economy, thanks to capitalism, they can now afford people like you and you are given affordable housing.
I'm not trying to be insulting, just posting a reality you fail to see. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I would think you would be grateful for what this Nation has given you and why you might understand our respect for our flag and what it represents. Can you not see that?

He live on the government plantation.  He knows he don't have to work for a living.  What other country could you not work for a living and yet have a computer and internet 24/7? 

Quote from: walkstall on July 15, 2019, 04:53:43 PM
Now is that the best you can do?  But then you don't work in the real working world for a living.  You just live off the working tax payers.

Henry Higgins from Pygmalion and/or My Fair Lady.

Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2019, 04:56:00 PM
Then fine, find another Nation willing to give you a free ride, but I guarantee you, only in a capitalist country are you going to find anything close to what you have here.
When I was in Korea nearly 50 years ago, (a dictatorship at the time) people like you took to begging on the streets, but since Korea's burgeoning economy, thanks to capitalism, they can now afford people like you and you are given affordable housing.
I'm not trying to be insulting, just posting a reality you fail to see. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I would think you would be grateful for what this Nation has given you and why you might understand our respect for our flag and what it represents. Can you not see that?

You all see disrespect where none is intended. 

Quote from: walkstall on July 15, 2019, 05:13:17 PM
He live on the government plantation.  He knows he don't have to work for a living.  What other country could you not work for a living and yet have a computer and internet 24/7?

Henry Higgins from Pygmalion and/or My Fair Lady.

Quote from: Solar on July 15, 2019, 04:56:00 PM
Then fine, find another Nation willing to give you a free ride, but I guarantee you, only in a capitalist country are you going to find anything close to what you have here.
When I was in Korea nearly 50 years ago, (a dictatorship at the time) people like you took to begging on the streets, but since Korea's burgeoning economy, thanks to capitalism, they can now afford people like you and you are given affordable housing.
I'm not trying to be insulting, just posting a reality you fail to see. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I would think you would be grateful for what this Nation has given you and why you might understand our respect for our flag and what it represents. Can you not see that?

Are you freaking kidding me?   People like me are begging in the streets anyway.   Most people like me are not even in the labor force whatsoever. 

Quote from: alienhand on July 16, 2019, 05:34:22 AM
Are you freaking kidding me?   People like me are begging in the streets anyway.   Most people like me are not even in the labor force whatsoever.

Most people in the world have problems that they live with day in and day.  But they don't let that stop them from being in the labor force.  That why we have so many doctors and psychiatrist. Being handicap is a way of life for a lot of people, YOU are not special.

Quote from: alienhand on July 15, 2019, 10:29:34 PM
You all see disrespect where none is intended.

Then stop arguing on their behalf!!! Yes, reread your earlier posts.

Quote from: alienhand on July 16, 2019, 05:34:22 AM
Are you freaking kidding me?   People like me are begging in the streets anyway.   Most people like me are not even in the labor force whatsoever.

By choice genius!! No one has to live on the streets unless they want to. Don't believe the lies of the left, nearly all homeless on the street are druggies.
Some choose the lifestyle, others prey off of them as in dealing and stealing, but not one of them has to be there.

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 15, 2019, 09:46:00 AM
Things are not perfect. Having an American flag T-shirt is no big deal. It is not an actual flag. It is a picture of a flag.

You have a point on that one.  I didn't think of it like that.  I guess a representation or copy of the flag is ok.  I guess the flag code only applies to the actual flag not copies or representations. 

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 15, 2019, 09:46:00 AM
If you follow politics that not is Liberal biased, you will realize that that there is no problem.

Alright, I will concede the whole flag code thing.  I didn't think of it the way you thought of it. 

Quote from: Sick Of Silence on July 15, 2019, 09:46:00 AM

There is also the thing of time an place: this is the same as celebrities using an awards show to complain about things. People just want to be entertained: watch a few performances, laugh at the ridiculous outfits these celebrities wear, and have a good time. We don't want to be lectured. The same goes for sporting events. Especially, with the amount of money the average person pays to attend with tickets, parking, concessions, and merchandise.

Well, I do see what you're saying about time and place and especially about being lectured.  On the other hand, I don't like to be forced to do anthems as well if I'm going somewhere to be entertained.  And, I don't think kneeling is disrespect to the troops.   Another thing, I don't think pledging to a flag and being forced to do that national anthem is the only way to honor the troops.   

And, if we must honor the troops why don't we honor those who grow food for the troops as well and those who make and transport other supplies like toilet paper.    Why don't we honor those who create Kevlar vests, guns and bullets?  Without these things there would be no troops and warfare and defending one's freedoms?

In fact, why don't we honor the teachers who get such a pitiful salary while dealing with all sorts of shit while these sports stars gets millions.  Let's take this further.  Let's honor the teachers who teach the academics needed when having various jobs in the military by giving the teachers millions while giving the players the teacher's salary.

Without the rest of the people to play the other roles how could the soldiers do any of these things in this poem?  https://www.khouse.org/articles/2004/565/

Shouldn't others outside of soldiers get honor as well since they make the soldier possible?  Why don't we honor them, pledge for them, etc?