Quote from: SalemCat on December 21, 2015, 07:49:33 PM
No, no shitty outlook. If you don't know the enemy, how can you battle him ?

There IS a way to defeat the evils Technology will bring.

I'm uncertain what the solution is, but ignoring the problem it IS NOT the answer.

Understanding the Elite want to ELIMINATE the Middle Class is the first step.

Not sure how old you are, but one thing that never changes is "change".  I'm confident we will continue to evolve, as will technology.  What we have today, that past generations didn't have, are more choices in what we do to earn a living and how we use what we earn.  Worrying too much about the future beyond your life span is kind of a waste of time and out of your control. 

What's going to happen?

Humankind, and our civilization just as it did with the industrial revolution will change, adapt, evolve.

Or we'll become the next batch of animals to go the way of T-Rex and company.

Rise of the Robots Will Eliminate More Than 5 Million Jobs

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-18/rise-of-the-robots-will-eliminate-more-than-5-million-jobs

Quote from: SalemCat on January 18, 2016, 07:41:33 PM
Rise of the Robots Will Eliminate More Than 5 Million Jobs

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-18/rise-of-the-robots-will-eliminate-more-than-5-million-jobs

Look on the bright side.  Someone is going to have to repair them and improve on them.  There lucky if the can get a laptop to last over 5 years even now.   

Quote from: SalemCat on January 18, 2016, 07:41:33 PM
Rise of the Robots Will Eliminate More Than 5 Million Jobs

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-18/rise-of-the-robots-will-eliminate-more-than-5-million-jobs

Only 5 mil?

Quote from: SalemCat on January 18, 2016, 07:41:33 PM
Rise of the Robots Will Eliminate More Than 5 Million Jobs

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-18/rise-of-the-robots-will-eliminate-more-than-5-million-jobs

And humans will invent 15 million new jobs.  Or we could go back to one horse plows and the abacus to make sure there are enough jobs to go around.

Or we can adjust to the freedoms high technology offer us. The 40 hour full-time work week is like the QWERTY keyboard - a left over from previous times - specifically the industrial age. IMO, the attitude of waiting for someone else to offer jobs is also a leftover from the industrial age. The primary reason social norms - to include economic practices - are currently so far behind technological ability is because technological ability has exploded in the past few decades. The lowest end smart phone has more computing power than the entire mission control complex for the Apollo moon missions. In less than 50 years data processing technology has expanded by a full six orders of magnitude, while transportation has expanded by 2 orders of magnitude, communications by 4.

Things change. And when they do, social/economic practices adjust, but often tend to lag behind the changes which drive the need for new social/economic practices. Homo Sapiens is the most adaptable critter in the solar system, and quite possibly in the top ten of this galaxy. Meanwhile, rather than bemoaning the changes that are undoubtedly coming, anticipate and innovate solutions. Those who solve problems are the ones who tend to come out on top.

Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2016, 08:16:14 PM
Only 5 mil?

Who's Gonna Take The Garbage?   

Quote from: SalemCat on December 20, 2015, 07:17:33 PM
The Future, in many respects, is clear.

There will be far fewer jobs...

At my mother's request I started researching our family tree on AncestryDOTcom in 2008.  It has been an absolutely amazing lesson in history. 

Occupations that existed at one point in time disappeared, yet the family kept going. 

Entire industries were darn near wiped out with the explosion of all things related to the new horseless carriage industry, yet the family moved on. 

At least one blacksmith in every town, many in larger cities, all unemployed within a few years, thanks to Mr. Ford et.al.  Yet our blacksmiths found other ways to earn a living.  Livery stables all but disappeared.  Stage coach drivers learned how to drive horseless carriages. Carriage makers became automotive workers.  Tens of thousands of jobs opened up in car dealerships all over the country.  Gas stations, car repair shops, etc abounded and flourished.

Now let's move forward in time...does anyone remember keypunch operators?  They were rendered obsolete when computers came in. Keypunch operators were retrained to become data entry operators.  Systems analysts came into being, code writers, computer engineers.

Whatever occupations are obsoleted will be replaced by new ones.  The key is to be willing to learn new skills and move forward.

When I obtained my Great-grandparents 1865 marriage application from England I learned that the groom's father was a "Joiner" by occupation.  I assumed that I had unearthed yet another ancestor with an obsoleted occupation.  What on earth was a joiner?   I asked my Mom.  She had no clue. A plumber?...um...no, who had plumbing in 1865?  A minister?...joining people together in Holy Matrimony?    

A little research in an antiquated occupation website taught me that a joiner was an term for what we today call a skilled carpenter. So, the occupation did not disappear, just the name did.  Just thought I would throw that in for the fun of it.

My Mom's grandfather is listed in the 1900 Philly census as being a fireman, what we call Fire Fighter today.  I got all excited as it was the first Fire Fighter I had found in our tree.  Mom told me she did not remember her grandfather saying anything about ever having been a fireman.  I called the Fire Fighter Museum in Philly and asked if they could check their archival records to see if they had a firefighter in 1900 with my great-grandfather's name.   God Bless the wonderful volunteer who called me within a few days to sadly break the news that my ancestor had never been a firefighter.  He also kindly explained that  a "fireman" in 1900 could also be referring to a factory worker who was responsible for feeding the fires that kept the steam powered machinery going.  Yet another occupation that would soon be obsoleted.

I could go on and on about the changes that occur over the years when researching family trees. The important thing is not to worry. 

As my Mom used to say, "When God closes a door, He opens a window." 

Sue Ann

Quote from: walkstall on January 18, 2016, 08:30:46 PM

Who's Gonna Take The Garbage?   

And clean the burger flipping machines at McD's?  LOL    Actually stayed at a hotel that had a pancake machine... it came out on a silicone treadmill thing... awful!
I like my pancakes when the edge is crispy from a little butter or bacon fat - but this thing was like a squashed hamburger bun.


Oh wait!!!   Those robots will need Buggy Whips to keep the people working!

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-19/davos-robot-eclipses-davos-man-as-gloom-descends-on-world-elite

Quote from: SalemCat on January 20, 2016, 04:01:52 AM

Davos Robot Eclipse

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-19/davos-robot-eclipses-davos-man-as-gloom-descends-on-world-elite

OK, so the next high-tech job is fixing robots, rescuing them from perilous places.

Quote from: Solar on January 18, 2016, 08:16:14 PM
Only 5 mil?

Hussein calls that "June"....

Quote from: taxed on January 23, 2016, 05:40:56 AM
Hussein calls that "June"....

A good start for the summer....

Interesting Statistic, 38% of of the employers, globally, cannot find qualified applicants - according to the Wall Street Journal Report (radio program, Saturday, Jan 23rd).   People lack the skills necessary to perform the work.

Maybe this thread would be better entitled, 'What will happen when there are no qualified job applicants?' 

a.  wages will go up, because of demand & worker shortage
b.  innovative business will come up with ways to simplify the work to meet the ignorance of the labor force.
c.  technical colleges will start offering training in the technical fields that lack workers.
d.  the doomsayers that sit around all day, smoking dope, will still sit around, lamenting their poor lot in life, while the children of the next generation pass them by, and become the leaders in innovation & invention, wealth generation, etc.

(I'm not worried, my kids are off to a terrific start.)

Quote from: Hoofer on January 23, 2016, 08:08:28 AM
Interesting Statistic, 38% of of the employers, globally, cannot find qualified applicants - according to the Wall Street Journal Report (radio program, Saturday, Jan 23rd).   People lack the skills necessary to perform the work.

Maybe this thread would be better entitled, 'What will happen when there are no qualified job applicants?' 

a.  wages will go up, because of demand & worker shortage
b.  innovative business will come up with ways to simplify the work to meet the ignorance of the labor force.
c.  technical colleges will start offering training in the technical fields that lack workers.
d.  the doomsayers that sit around all day, smoking dope, will still sit around, lamenting their poor lot in life, while the children of the next generation pass them by, and become the leaders in innovation & invention, wealth generation, etc.

(I'm not worried, my kids are off to a terrific start.)

None of this is new. Innovation and motivation have always been the key to changing times. A big hindrance to advancement are unions which desire to maintain the status quo with higher wages. That is a proven failed model. My area used have a significant amount of small manufacturing and we all know what has happened to those jobs in the US. We now have a vibrant beer brewing industry in the area with more craft breweries that I can keep up with. The local community college has begun offering classes in brewing with a partnership with the local breweries. This has provided jobs not only in that industry, but it has also helped tourism which is really a tremendous revenue stream for local communities.