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General Category => Science and Technology => Topic started by: Balto on January 25, 2013, 08:47:40 PM

Title: What if technology went too far?
Post by: Balto on January 25, 2013, 08:47:40 PM
Technological change is inevitable, I get that. Its ending the CD format, its ending what we know as laptops slowly, and thanks to Google, is on the verge of ending human driving.

Lets think for a minute. What if technology began ruling our lives? Began taking away everything we liked and replaced it with what was supposed to be more convienient but only became more complex? I am scared the robot driving will become a reality. Its been reported about in Motor Trend and more and more people are agreeing it would be a better thing. But just like liberty, the genuine feeling of getting behind the wheel cannot be replaced by microchips and programming.

What you saw on the Jetsons was meant to stay on the Jetsons.
So will technology go overboard trying to please us and will it become more of a enemy and less of a ally?
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: kramarat on January 26, 2013, 05:51:45 AM
Technology is sort of like guns. It can be used responsibly, or abused.

Aside from my computer, I pretty much stay out of the loop. I also drive older cars, and would be fine with manual roll up windows.

I worry about what our government will end up doing with technology, if they aren't already using it for nefarious purposes.

I think our biggest concern should be; as technology gets smarter, people get dumber and more dependent. It would be wise for people not to forget how to do things without all of the gadgetry, although it's probably already too late for that.

If and when one of these occurs, it will throw the entire planet into, (electronic), blindness and chaos, including governments. It won't be pretty.

http://www.slashgear.com/scientists-warn-massive-solar-flare-could-harm-power-grid-and-satellites-06241821/ (http://www.slashgear.com/scientists-warn-massive-solar-flare-could-harm-power-grid-and-satellites-06241821/)
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: Solar on January 26, 2013, 08:49:50 AM
The Amish have the right idea.
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: mhughes on January 26, 2013, 10:38:16 AM
I think our biggest concern should be; as technology gets smarter, people get dumber and more dependent. It would be wise for people not to forget how to do things without all of the gadgetry, although it's probably already too late for that.

Certainly true for a bulk of the population.  I wonder if there is a group that goes the other way?  The people creating and maintaining the ever more complex tech?  Will it lead to a wide societal gap in ability?

Or does increased productivity give people more and more free time to keep up?

Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: Balto on January 26, 2013, 10:47:50 AM
Technology is sort of like guns. It can be used responsibly, or abused.

Aside from my computer, I pretty much stay out of the loop. I also drive older cars, and would be fine with manual roll up windows.

I worry about what our government will end up doing with technology, if they aren't already using it for nefarious purposes.

I think our biggest concern should be; as technology gets smarter, people get dumber and more dependent. It would be wise for people not to forget how to do things without all of the gadgetry, although it's probably already too late for that.

If and when one of these occurs, it will throw the entire planet into, (electronic), blindness and chaos, including governments. It won't be pretty.

http://www.slashgear.com/scientists-warn-massive-solar-flare-could-harm-power-grid-and-satellites-06241821/ (http://www.slashgear.com/scientists-warn-massive-solar-flare-could-harm-power-grid-and-satellites-06241821/)
Well lets think, in vehicles cars already come with options to parallel park themselves and can detect blind spots themselves, two important things people once had to know and do (and should continue to do). But people becoming two dependent on technology is becoming more and more of a reality.
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: Solar on January 26, 2013, 11:04:36 AM
Well lets think, in vehicles cars already come with options to parallel park themselves and can detect blind spots themselves, two important things people once had to know and do (and should continue to do). But people becoming two dependent on technology is becoming more and more of a reality.
Now consider a massive solar flare and people completely dependent  upon the car driving itself. :lol:

Yes I laugh, though the car probably wouldn't start after such an event anyway, but the point is, the further we move away from our ancestral roots, the more vulnerable we become as a species.
The Amish will survive quite nicely, I commend them.
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: walkstall on January 26, 2013, 11:05:02 AM
Certainly true for a bulk of the population.  I wonder if there is a group that goes the other way?  The people creating and maintaining the ever more complex tech?  Will it lead to a wide societal gap in ability?

Or does increased productivity give people more and more free time to keep up?


Interesting, I find increased productivity give people more money for there dollar.   Free time you have to make for yourself.  Even after being retired for 10 years I find I have to make some free time.
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: kramarat on January 26, 2013, 11:11:47 AM
Certainly true for a bulk of the population.  I wonder if there is a group that goes the other way?  The people creating and maintaining the ever more complex tech?  Will it lead to a wide societal gap in ability?

Or does increased productivity give people more and more free time to keep up?

As far as technology goes, I'm still in the dark ages. I just don't have much interest in the latest and greatest stuff.

Heat my house with wood, work on my own cars, have an old tube TV.............

Call it a gut feeling, but I intentionally don't want to become too dependent on technology.

I think there already is a gap in ability, but I also think that the people that know how to do things without electronic help, have the advantage. I get laughed at because I don't text and have a cheapo 10 year old basic cell phone. We'll see who's laughing if the lights ever go out. :wink:

I'm not in full blown survivalist mode or anything, but I think I would fare better than a lot of people I see. The ones that are tethered to their gadgets.
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: mhughes on January 26, 2013, 12:32:59 PM
You just reminded me of the guy who called in sick to work yesterday because his garage door froze, wouldn't open and he had to call someone to fix it.
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: Solar on January 26, 2013, 12:44:26 PM
You just reminded me of the guy who called in sick to work yesterday because his garage door froze, wouldn't open and he had to call someone to fix it.
I won't be able to make it to work, the power just went out and I'm stuck on the escalator.
God I hope the fire fighters get here soon or I'll miss takeout from the local diner, they close at 6:00, I might starve.

Wussies, that's what city life does to people, takes away self reliance.
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: walkstall on January 26, 2013, 01:21:11 PM
You just reminded me of the guy who called in sick to work yesterday because his garage door froze, wouldn't open and he had to call someone to fix it.


I had a young man call me and say he would not be into work as his dog had eaten his keys.   I ask if the dog had eaten both sets?  He said yes!   LOL 
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: Balto on January 26, 2013, 08:52:13 PM
As a musician I find it sad technology is taking the studios away from us musicians as well as CDs since those were once a great source of revenue other than touring. If I could go back in time and tell people to oppose these download services such as amazon mp3, napster and itunes at all costs, CDs could still be strong today although I hear rumors vinyls may come back.

The Chevy Spark si a example of how CDs are going in the way of the dinoseurs. It doesnt have a CD player, and only streams music from a sd card or mp3 player. While I'm one for auxilary, I dont want manufactuers to get rid of CD players. They think Pandora and Sirius (although I like Sirius) is what will suffice consumers pfft.
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: kramarat on January 26, 2013, 10:07:54 PM
As a musician I find it sad technology is taking the studios away from us musicians as well as CDs since those were once a great source of revenue other than touring. If I could go back in time and tell people to oppose these download services such as amazon mp3, napster and itunes at all costs, CDs could still be strong today although I hear rumors vinyls may come back.

The Chevy Spark si a example of how CDs are going in the way of the dinoseurs. It doesnt have a CD player, and only streams music from a sd card or mp3 player. While I'm one for auxilary, I dont want manufactuers to get rid of CD players. They think Pandora and Sirius (although I like Sirius) is what will suffice consumers pfft.

I love CD's. You bring up a good point.

I've got photo albums that were passed down to me. My parent's wedding, us as kids, family vacations........you name it.

Now I have 3000 pics on my computer that I never look at. :sad:
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: walkstall on January 26, 2013, 10:26:10 PM
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Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: kramarat on January 26, 2013, 10:33:40 PM
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Wow!!! That's very cool and very damned scary at the same time. :ohmy:
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: Solar on January 27, 2013, 08:48:46 AM
As a musician I find it sad technology is taking the studios away from us musicians as well as CDs since those were once a great source of revenue other than touring. If I could go back in time and tell people to oppose these download services such as amazon mp3, napster and itunes at all costs, CDs could still be strong today although I hear rumors vinyls may come back.

The Chevy Spark si a example of how CDs are going in the way of the dinoseurs. It doesnt have a CD player, and only streams music from a sd card or mp3 player. While I'm one for auxilary, I dont want manufactuers to get rid of CD players. They think Pandora and Sirius (although I like Sirius) is what will suffice consumers pfft.
I was just talking about this the other day, how the world of true musicians is disappearing due to computer generated crap.
If one looks at the hits that stay on the charts the longest, they most likely had an actual band backing them, or an actual orchestra.
Personally, I love the LP for it's depth of reproduction over the CD, though I tend to be a purist, though sadly we are few due to the fact that most kids never ever experienced the era.
Much like how our generation experienced more freedom and simpler times with just a TV and land line in the house.
Kids today have nothing comparable, so they accept it.
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: kramarat on January 27, 2013, 09:48:48 AM
I was just talking about this the other day, how the world of true musicians is disappearing due to computer generated crap.
If one looks at the hits that stay on the charts the longest, they most likely had an actual band backing them, or an actual orchestra.
Personally, I love the LP for it's depth of reproduction over the CD, though I tend to be a purist, though sadly we are few due to the fact that most kids never ever experienced the era.
Much like how our generation experienced more freedom and simpler times with just a TV and land line in the house.
Kids today have nothing comparable, so they accept it.

I can't afford to be a true purist, but I'll tell ya, my tuner is a big, heavy 70s era Sony. Playing Cd's through it, that haven't been overly tampered with, sounds pretty darned good to me. The best ones are where they just dump the original master onto a cd.
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: Solar on January 27, 2013, 09:59:38 AM
I can't afford to be a true purist, but I'll tell ya, my tuner is a big, heavy 70s era Sony. Playing Cd's through it, that haven't been overly tampered with, sounds pretty darned good to me. The best ones are where they just dump the original master onto a cd.
There's a reason musicians still prefer tube amplifiers, not only do they have the power to feed the speakers, they also produce full spectrum frequency better.
I have a friend that rebuilds amps for musicians, he is constantly searching for tubes, he is also back logged 6 months and not because he can't find parts, but because people don't want the crap coming out.

I still have my Pioneer from 1973 that I bought when in Korea through Pacex for a ridiculous price, but it blows everything out of the water built today.
Though it does produce a bit of hiss. :blush:
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: kramarat on January 27, 2013, 10:40:13 AM
There's a reason musicians still prefer tube amplifiers, not only do they have the power to feed the speakers, they also produce full spectrum frequency better.
I have a friend that rebuilds amps for musicians, he is constantly searching for tubes, he is also back logged 6 months and not because he can't find parts, but because people don't want the crap coming out.

I still have my Pioneer from 1973 that I bought when in Korea through Pacex for a ridiculous price, but it blows everything out of the water built today.
Though it does produce a bit of hiss. :blush:

One of my unfinished projects that's cluttering up my place, is restoring an old 1930s era Bendix cabinet radio. I got tubes from here. I haven't powered them up yet, but they sure do look pretty. I couldn't find any negative feedback about them.
http://www.tubesandmore.com/ (http://www.tubesandmore.com/)
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: Solar on January 27, 2013, 10:52:27 AM
One of my unfinished projects that's cluttering up my place, is restoring an old 1930s era Bendix cabinet radio. I got tubes from here. I haven't powered them up yet, but they sure do look pretty. I couldn't find any negative feedback about them.
http://www.tubesandmore.com/ (http://www.tubesandmore.com/)
Yeah, he said he can still get tubes, but some needed are quite costly, he's even ordered from Croatia, where they actually still make some obscure ones.
Title: Re: What if technology went too far?
Post by: Balto on January 27, 2013, 03:51:05 PM
I dont feel like using my DNA as storage spaace, thank you scientists. I rather use a bakers dozen of jump drives before I allow something odd in my body.

I have about 200 CDs I've bought, the entire collection over $200. I remember my moms Volvo 850, with cassettes and CDs either it would eject the cd or cassette automatically or play it from the start. Hell, I rather use cassettes before I do digital downloads.