I listened to a few interviews on this subject with Dr. Greer and some others working on it, and it just pisses me off that academia holds back science like it is.  One of the guys said (not in this video) that people in academia are so scared to touch this or research it because it could end their careers.  It's obvious to me that Greer also has to tip toe around the academics to not scare them off and hose the research.  It's working, because he's getting collaboration from credible people in the biology field, but it just annoys me.  How f*n crazy is that?  It just pisses me off that people have to fear research or science.

Anyway, it's an interesting case.  What is it?  I have no f*n idea, but the reality is it's something.

The Atacama Mystery

Everything I read about this says it has human DNA, so what? Could aliens have seeded our planet, would that make make it's DNA match that of an alien?

I'll wait for the final outcome, but I'll bet you money, they'll wind up with more questions than answers and still not know anymore than they do now.

Of course I can't watch the video, dammit!

Quote from: Solar on August 26, 2014, 04:56:47 PM
Everything I read about this says it has human DNA, so what? Could aliens have seeded our planet, would that make make it's DNA match that of an alien?

I'll wait for the final outcome, but I'll bet you money, they'll wind up with more questions than answers and still not know anymore than they do now.

Of course I can't watch the video, dammit!

Exactly.  I don't mind how it's approached, but I just don't like when it's done out of fear.  Academia has become so flat-Earth and it just infuriates me.

Quote from: taxed on August 27, 2014, 10:01:13 AM
Exactly.  I don't mind how it's approached, but I just don't like when it's done out of fear.  Academia has become so flat-Earth and it just infuriates me.

Yep, the fear of the unknown, or the fact they'll discover they aren't the center of the universe, as mommy used to tell them.

This is the first I've heard of this.

However, after doing a little research, it is fairly obvious that this is a (probably deformed) human fetus and nothing more.  DNA test show it to be 100% human DNA and age tests prove that it is not "thousands of years old".

Hey, I love a good UFO/Ancient Alien story, but sad to say, this ain't it!

Of course, there is one other possibility...



Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 16, 2014, 12:44:55 PM
This is the first I've heard of this.

However, after doing a little research, it is fairly obvious that this is a (probably deformed) human fetus and nothing more. DNA test show it to be 100% human DNA and age tests prove that it is not "thousands of years old".

Hey, I love a good UFO/Ancient Alien story, but sad to say, this ain't it!

Of course, there is one other possibility...



You have a link for that by any chance?

Darth

To the chagrin of UFO hunters, Ata is decidedly of this world. After mapping more than 500 million reads to a reference human genome, equating to 17.7-fold coverage of the genome, Nolan concluded that Ata "is human, there's no doubt about it." Moreover, the specimen's B2 haplotype—a category of mitochondrial DNA—reveals that its mother was from the west coast of South America: Chile, that is.

http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2013/05/bizarre-6-inch-skeleton-shown-be-human

Darth

Quote from: Darth Fife on November 16, 2014, 04:28:54 PM
To the chagrin of UFO hunters, Ata is decidedly of this world. After mapping more than 500 million reads to a reference human genome, equating to 17.7-fold coverage of the genome, Nolan concluded that Ata "is human, there's no doubt about it." Moreover, the specimen's B2 haplotype—a category of mitochondrial DNA—reveals that its mother was from the west coast of South America: Chile, that is.

http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2013/05/bizarre-6-inch-skeleton-shown-be-human

Darth

Here's a less biased article on Nolan's position:
http://www.stanforddaily.com/2013/05/20/professor-debunks-theories-of-skeletons-alien-origins/

And from Nolan:
http://grenzwissenschaft-aktuell.blogspot.com/2013/06/exclusive-stanford-geneticist-garry.html

Nobody has concluded anything, and nothing has been "debunked".

I was just curious what you thought about it.

Quote from: taxed on November 16, 2014, 04:47:52 PM
Here's a less biased article on Nolan's position:
http://www.stanforddaily.com/2013/05/20/professor-debunks-theories-of-skeletons-alien-origins/

And from Nolan:
http://grenzwissenschaft-aktuell.blogspot.com/2013/06/exclusive-stanford-geneticist-garry.html

Nobody has concluded anything, and nothing has been "debunked".

I was just curious what you thought about it.

Totally, 100% terrestrial in origin is my uneducated guess.

Like I said, I'm a believer in UFOs and alien contact with the Earth and with humans. It is just that I tend to lean towards the late Arthur C. Clarke's assessment of the phenomenon - I'd be more inclined to believe, if there weren't so many of them. 

Darth

How come other Countries in the Western Hemisphere do not have NAGPRA laws like the United States ? And if Neanderthal is Found in the Americas (Like Homo Floriesiensis was found in the Pacific) would Science poo poo & bury the findings ?

Quote from: Gator Monroe on November 17, 2014, 08:41:56 PM
How come other Countries in the Western Hemisphere do not have NAGPRA laws like the United States ? And if Neanderthal is Found in the Americas (Like Homo Floriesiensis was found in the Pacific) would Science poo poo & bury the findings ?

Did you see my reply to you about punctuation?

Are you gonna beat me up over it , or let me stick around long enough to see how hard it is to misspell words and butcher grammar in a creative way without knowing any better...

Quote from: Gator Monroe on November 17, 2014, 08:54:08 PM
Are you gonna beat me up over it , or let me stick around long enough to see how hard it is to misspell words and butcher grammar in a creative way without knowing any better...

Quote from: taxed on August 26, 2014, 12:04:54 PM
I listened to a few interviews on this subject with Dr. Greer and some others working on it, and it just pisses me off that academia holds back science like it is.  One of the guys said (not in this video) that people in academia are so scared to touch this or research it because it could end their careers.  It's obvious to me that Greer also has to tip toe around the academics to not scare them off and hose the research.  It's working, because he's getting collaboration from credible people in the biology field, but it just annoys me.  How f*n crazy is that?  It just pisses me off that people have to fear research or science.

Anyway, it's an interesting case.  What is it?  I have no f*n idea, but the reality is it's something.

The Atacama Mystery

How would finding  the first ever definitive proof of alien life/ancient proto-people etc, ruin a scientists career?

Wouldn't it be more lucrative to use the discovery to secure grants to excavate the area for more of these corpses and sell tons of books on the subject? How could it be more profitable to suppress the discovery and continue to publish boring papers at a university for 60k a year?

If I was a professor and thought the science had merit, I would jump at the chance to research something new and exciting.

The subject itself is fascinating tho. Scientists think the little thing survived 6-9 years!!!