I am a total Mars geek and LOVE reading posts and watching videos of Richard Hoagland, Mike Bara, Steve Greer, and all the disclosure and secret NASA stuff.  I can't get enough of it.  I don't pretend to be smart enough to understand most of it, but I love hearing smart people debate about it.

Anyway, on Mars, there is an area called Cydonia, and it appears to have a face, and a group of pyramids that are laid out like the Orion constellation.  The face looks like a face to me.  I know there is a term for your brain being programmed to see a face (I can't remember the term, starts with a 'P'), but it really does look that way to me.  Also, there are a lot of photographs that have been sent by the orbiters and rovers they say have geometry, and they say nature doesn't naturally do that.  I'm interested to hearing opinions of others who follow this stuff. 

http://mars-earth.com/cydonia_eygpt/

Don't hate me, but it was debunked and I'm heartbroken, I love this stuff, but alas, it was not to be.
The original photo just happened to be snapped at the right moment when light was at the right angle, casting shadows that gave the appearance of a face.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1298714/New-high-resolution-photo-famous-Face-Mars-proves-just-rocky-hill.html

Pareidolia (/pærɨˈdoʊliə/ parr-i-DOH-lee-ə) is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant.

It's why we see Jesus on a tortilla and the man on the moon.


This is a much higher resolution of the Cydonia "fact" taken in May 2001.    As  a result of this image, Hoagland modified his theor to mirror each half of the fact to thereby create axial symmetry - which my could make pretty much anything look like a face.  Hoagland's claim was that one half was humanoid, and the other feline.

ftp://nssdcftp.gsfc.nasa.gov/miscellaneous/planetary/mgs/mgs_cydonia3_full.gif

Which leaves us believing that the intelligent life on Mars is the  half human, half feline, or lion sphinxes, that have trouble sculpting but for some reason feel like carving eroded volcanic layers into things that only vaguely resemble intelligent life to leave us pondering. 

As a result of Hoagland's infamy, people have been claiming all sorts of things on Mars surface, faces, and dolphins, and sharks. You name it.

Trip, your link took me to:
http://www.microfocus.com/products/terminal-emulator/index.aspx?ftpcom

Do you have a better link?

Gentleman, I could show you things on Mars that would blow your mind.

I believe that some handful of images  show unmistakably that there's an active presence in some areas, and in fact NASA used the infrared satellite capability to target these extraordinary areas, turning the camera to extremely oblique angles to capture these images.

THIS is the link I put in there, but for some reason i cannot click on it here to get the ling. Some sort of redirection is going on.

Quote from: Trip on July 28, 2013, 09:27:27 PM

Gentleman, I could show you things on Mars that would blow your mind.

I believe that some handful of images  show unmistakably that there's an active presence in some areas, and in fact NASA used the infrared satellite capability to target these extraordinary areas, turning the camera to extremely oblique angles to capture these images.

I was looking at some on the NASA site, even they couldn't explain them away.
Things disappearing and reappearing a few feet away, really interesting stuff.

Quote from: Solar on July 28, 2013, 09:21:46 PM
Don't hate me, but it was debunked and I'm heartbroken, I love this stuff, but alas, it was not to be.
The original photo just happened to be snapped at the right moment when light was at the right angle, casting shadows that gave the appearance of a face.

Ha, not at all... I don't take anything as gospel from any of them... I just like watching the debate go on...

I've seen explanations for this picture, but need to find them.  Trip may have a better idea of what they say.  I'll try to find it... 

Quote from: Trip on July 28, 2013, 09:27:27 PM
Gentleman, I could show you things on Mars that would blow your mind.

I believe that some handful of images  show unmistakably that there's an active presence in some areas, and in fact NASA used the infrared satellite capability to target these extraordinary areas, turning the camera to extremely oblique angles to capture these images.

THIS is the link I put in there, but for some reason i cannot click on it here to get the ling. Some sort of redirection is going on.

What are you waiting on???????????????????????????????????

Is this it trip?

ftp://nssdcftp.gsfc.nasa.gov/miscellaneous/planetary/mgs/mgs_cydonia3_full.gif

Quote from: taxed on July 28, 2013, 09:47:05 PM
Is this it trip?

ftp://nssdcftp.gsfc.nasa.gov/miscellaneous/planetary/mgs/mgs_cydonia3_full.gif

Yeah, it worked for you.


Have either of you guys seen this?

"Mars Tubes"

"The Ship"

Below is another anomalous feature <artificially colored below, obviously>, which I refer to as "The Ship", approximately the size of THREE aircraft carriers (3,000 feet), sitting high in a ridge system, balanced on the edge of a cliff,  and seeming to give off steam <blurred margins>, and having runoff flowing down the cliff face below it, evidenced by the dark albedo trails.   It has compound complex curves, axial symmetry from left front to right rear, apparent aerodynamic shape, or "hydrodynamic shape" resembling a tortoise shell.


source USGS:  http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/html/ab1085/ab108505.html
source Malin Space Science Systems:  http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/AB108505.html

Hi-rez jpg: http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/jpegmaps/AB108505.jpg

See if you can find "the ship" feature in the large "Hi-Rez jpg", above <just below half way down the image, on the left edge>.

This image, AB1-08505, is from the Aero-Braking portion as the satellite, early-on in its orbit entry, still trying to slow down once inserted into orbit, hence the "AB" designation in the title.  What is conspicuous is the extreme "emission angle" of 37.07°, cited in the image's ancillary data,  which is the angle of the camera off of a 0° "straight down" image, shows a very deliberate targeting. In fact this is one of the more extreme targeting angles in the entire Mars Global Surveyor history.  I believe that the infrared sensor aboard the Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) satellite picked up a heat signature, and this led to them targeting this specific anomaly so early-on in the satellite's orbit, notably capturing this anomaly feature almost dead-center in the image! 

The blurred edges of this anomaly and Hoagland's referenced "dust" across it, are not "dust" at all, but seem to be to be more likely from thermal distortion from heat emanating from the craft, causing the IR signature, and somehow resulted in the "runoff" seen clearly as the dark albedo streaks trailing down the cliff face below the "ship", evident in the large jpg image.  Given the heat signature, this is no sort of "relict" of ancient habitation.

Originally I did an analysis of this image's "Incidence Angle" and "Phase Angle" demonstrating that this could not possibly be any sort of concave depression, as per an impact crater, but rather had to involve a convex, positive relief feature. This is further supported by the fact that the feature is clearly seen to be separated from the surrounding terrain, having a different albedo and perhaps even a degree of reflectance, and can be seen to be clearly hanging over the edge of the cliff, something an impact crater would not do.

Quote from: Trip on July 28, 2013, 10:24:05 PM
Yeah, it worked for you.


Have either of you guys seen this?

"Mars Tubes"

Yeah, I've seen those.  What do you think they are??

Quote from: Trip on July 28, 2013, 10:46:35 PM

"The Ship"

Below is another anomalous feature <artificially colored below, obviously>, which I refer to as "The Ship", approximately the size of THREE aircraft carriers (3,000 feet), sitting high in a ridge system, balanced on the edge of a cliff,  and seeming to give off steam <blurred margins>, and having runoff flowing down the cliff face below it, evidenced by the dark albedo trails.   It has compound complex curves, axial symmetry from left front to right rear, apparent aerodynamic shape, or "hydrodynamic shape" resembling a tortoise shell.

AB1-O8505

source USGS:  http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/html/ab1085/ab108505.html
source Malin Space Science Systems:  http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/images/AB108505.html

Hi-rez jpg: http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ab1_m04/jpegmaps/AB108505.jpg

See if you can find "the ship" feature in the large "Hi-Rez jpg", above <just below half way down the image, on the left edge>.

This image, AB1-08505, is from the Aero-Braking portion as the satellite, early-on in its orbit entry, still trying to slow down once inserted into orbit, hence the "AB" designation in the title.  What is conspicuous is the extreme "emission angle" of 37.07°, cited in the image's ancillary data,  which is the angle of the camera off of a 0° "straight down" image, shows a very deliberate targeting. In fact this is one of the more extreme targeting angles in the entire Mars Global Surveyor history.  I believe that the infrared sensor aboard the Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) satellite picked up a heat signature, and this led to them targeting this specific anomaly so early-on in the satellite's orbit, notably capturing this anomaly feature almost dead-center in the image! 

The blurred edges of this anomaly and Hoagland's referenced "dust" across it, are not "dust" at all, but seem to be to be more likely from thermal distortion from heat emanating from the craft, causing the IR signature, and somehow resulted in the "runoff" seen clearly as the dark albedo streaks trailing down the cliff face below the "ship", evident in the large jpg image.  Given the heat signature, this is no sort of "relict" of ancient habitation.

Originally I did an analysis of this image's "Incidence Angle" and "Phase Angle" demonstrating that this could not possibly be any sort of concave depression, as per an impact crater, but rather had to involve a convex, positive relief feature. This is further supported by the fact that the feature is clearly seen to be separated from the surrounding terrain, having a different albedo and perhaps even a degree of reflectance, and can be seen to be clearly hanging over the edge of the cliff, something an impact crater would not do.

Wow, I haven't seen that one yet.  Do you think it's a ship, or some sort of bunker or something?

Have you seen the monolith? Are they right to say these aren't natural structures?

Quote from: taxed on July 28, 2013, 11:01:09 PM
Yeah, I've seen those.  What do you think they are??

NASA claims that they are nothing but transverse dunes, sand dunes gradually migrating along valley floors, with the false appearance of being convex longitudinal 'tubes' as a result of a "trick of light and shadow".

However there's one problem with that.  The 'features' are seen in each of 3 tri-radiate valleys, traversing from a central valley junction.  For these allegedly aeolian features to be equally well-formed in each of 3 compass directions,  it would imply that the winds are blowing with virtually the same speed in each of these three directions, and that this occurrence of strong consistent winds in one direction would not disrupt the wind pattern in the other two of the three compass directions.  This conflicts with wind mechanics of dune formation.

Another problem is that this image, M04-00291 imaged on August 11, 1999 was re-imaged as E21-01421 on October 27, 2002, more than three years apart.   The two images have entirely different emission, incidence, and phase angles, resulting in the object being imaged with entirely different geometries, with different lighting, and nonetheless resulting in the same convex appearance, thereby removing the likelihood of any sort of "trick of light and shadow."

Quote from: taxed on July 28, 2013, 11:06:11 PM
Wow, I haven't seen that one yet.  Do you think it's a ship, or some sort of bunker or something?

Have you seen the monolith? Are they right to say these aren't natural structures?

It sure looks aerodynamic to me, and it's situated high up in a ridge system, unlikely the surface expression of a larger subsurface construction, or it would destabilize the cliff face on which it rests.

I know of no sort of geophysical process, or combination of processes, that would result in this sort of convex domed shape. The only thing that might possibly result in this sort of feature is some sort of pluton, such as a batholith or laccolith volcanic structure, or perhaps salt doming,   that was exposed over time by erosion, however the preceding intrusion of that volcanism would have caused the cliff face adjacent to it, to be more unstable, and thus  more apt to suffer preferential erosion, which does not appear to be the case.