Quote from: Trip on July 28, 2013, 11:24:50 PM
NASA claims that they are nothing but transverse dunes, sand dunes gradually migrating along valley floors, with the false appearance of being convex longitudinal 'tubes' as a result of a "trick of light and shadow".

However there's one problem with that.  The 'features' are seen in each of 3 tri-radiate valleys, traversing from a central valley junction.  For these allegedly aeolian features to be equally well-formed in each of 3 compass directions,  it would imply that the winds are blowing with virtually the same speed in each of these three directions, and that this occurrence of strong consistent winds in one direction would not disrupt the wind pattern in the other two of the three compass directions.  This conflicts with wind mechanics of dune formation.

Another problem is that this image, M04-00291 imaged on August 11, 1999 was re-imaged as E21-01421 on October 27, 2002, more than three years apart.   The two images have entirely different emission, incidence, and phase angles, resulting in the object being imaged with entirely different geometries, with different lighting, and nonetheless resulting in the same convex appearance, thereby removing the likelihood of any sort of "trick of light and shadow."

Wow.  Are they transparent tubes, like a subway or something?

Trip, what do you think about their theory that Phobos is hollow?

Quote from: taxed on July 28, 2013, 11:55:50 PM
Trip, what do you think about their theory that Phobos is hollow?

I have not heard any really compelling evidence to believe that.

This one is on Candor.  I can see the building clearly.

Quote from: taxed on August 01, 2013, 04:30:52 PM
This one is on Candor.  I an see the building clearly.

I see it now.
Or...could they be old ocean blowholes, or volcanic steam vents that burned through?

I'd love to believe there is evidence of intelligent life on Mars, but I'll be a skeptic till we have solid proof.
Nothing would make me happier than to have man discover he is not the center of the universe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ocean+blowholes+pic&client=firefox-a&hs=vU4&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=lPn6Ucj_MMOXigKp0YHgAg&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1247&bih=556

Quote from: Solar on August 01, 2013, 05:17:40 PM
I see it now.
Or...could they be old ocean blowholes, or volcanic steam vents that burned through?

I'd love to believe there is evidence of intelligent life on Mars, but I'll be a skeptic till we have solid proof.
Nothing would make me happier than to have man discover he is not the center of the universe.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ocean+blowholes+pic&client=firefox-a&hs=vU4&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=lPn6Ucj_MMOXigKp0YHgAg&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=1247&bih=556

The straight edges are what gets me...

Quote from: taxed on August 01, 2013, 05:21:11 PM
The straight edges are what gets me...

Not just the straight edges, but an evidently perfect circle, of abruptly changed dark albedo, centered in the middle of a square.

Here's a cool one... an Egyptian statue??

Quote from: taxed on August 02, 2013, 05:41:05 PM
Here's a cool one... an Egyptian statue??

Just in case you're wondering... I hate you.    (J/k!)

I've been trying to remember how I know the pimp of that site's imagery, George Haas, and unfortunately ended up wading into his site marsanomalies.com to see if I remember anything of his "style.

Well, I don't remember specifically how I know  the name, but George seems to be devout a believer in the idea that "looks like" is the same as "is".   But oh no, that's not the worst of it! In addition to that, good ol' George doesn't seem to like to reference the source for his imagery, or any data for the image, making it impossible to even check anything he might stumble upon that might be of real interest, leaving him the undisputed Swami of Simile.  I do however see he admires Keith Laney,  who is the undisputed king of "looks like" and hands-down the biggest ignoramus of the Mars anomaly community.

The tragedy here is the duct tape wasted to keep my head from exploding. 

Quote from: Trip on August 02, 2013, 11:12:17 PM
Just in case you're wondering... I hate you.    (J/k!)

I've been trying to remember how I know the pimp of that site's imagery, George Haas, and unfortunately ended up wading into his site marsanomalies.com to see if I remember anything of his "style.

Well, I don't remember specifically how I know  the name, but George seems to be devout a believer in the idea that "looks like" is the same as "is".   But oh no, that's not the worst of it! In addition to that, good ol' George doesn't seem to like to reference the source for his imagery, or any data for the image, making it impossible to even check anything he might stumble upon that might be of real interest, leaving him the undisputed Swami of Simile.  I do however see he admires Keith Laney,  who is the undisputed king of "looks like" and hands-down the biggest ignoramus of the Mars anomaly community.

The tragedy here is the duct tape wasted to keep my head from exploding.

Damn, you mean it's not a real image?

Quote from: taxed on August 02, 2013, 11:52:20 PM
Damn, you mean it's not a real image?

Of course that's not what I mean. The problem is that he's slow on letting us know the data of that real image, so that we can ascertain for ourselves what it might contain.

Here is the Haas's original data from a NASA "photo journal", a particular public display (not the raw source data):
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA10210

Here is a hi-rez lossless tif (15.99 MB)
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/PIA10210.tif

Here's a rover panorama from the area:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/press/opportunity/20040524a/site_B115_navcam_180_cyl_L-B118R1.jpg

And here's the false-color image of the same imaged area:





What I find fascinating, even evident from the low-rez Jpg, is that while NASA's claimed cross-bedding isn't all that  prominent, to say the least, there is a strongly evident inter-bedding, with the darker banding in between two much lighter and finer-grained lithologic layers.

Furthermore,  the darker layer with the cross-bedding is the layer showing much more prevalent fracturing, which has to be obvious to NASA as well, and leaves us with a question as to what caused this increased fracturing. I'd have to do a larger survey of the crater scarps before I said anything definitive, but it is somewhat fascinating.


Given that we're looking at a scarp face that is only ~40 feet tall,  that puts the "Egyptian statue" at approximate 3-feet-ish height range, maybe smaller.   Why would these Martians want to carve an Egyptian statue in a highly fractured rock face, that wont last very long, is in a remote area,  and then create "a path" to nowhere, never used by anyone, that isn't big enough for anything but even smaller miniature human-like beings.   Haas has basically defined Martians as a crazed race of midgets with an obsessive-compulsive need to carve poor Egyptian iconology in obscure remote places.

No wonder these Martians have been hiding from us earthlings for eons!

Aw come on Trip, obviously this was at one time a toddlers play land at the local shopping mall and all that's left was a tiny children's toy that became fused during the great transformation.
In truth, Martians were over 100' tall, and this item was the remnants of a toy soldier collection left behind in a sand box.
It's only so obvious, I can't believe no one has made the connection. j/k

Really I do love this stuff, if for no other reason than filling my compulsion from my days as a private detective, nothing more gratifying than working a puzzle through.

I soooo look forward to the day when man discovers he is not the center of the known universe.

Quote from: Solar on August 03, 2013, 05:59:40 AM
Aw come on Trip, obviously this was at one time a toddlers play land at the local shopping mall and all that's left was a tiny children's toy that became fused during the great transformation.
In truth, Martians were over 100' tall, and this item was the remnants of a toy soldier collection left behind in a sand box.
It's only so obvious, I can't believe no one has made the connection. j/k

Really I do love this stuff, if for no other reason than filling my compulsion from my days as a private detective, nothing more gratifying than working a puzzle through.

I soooo look forward to the day when man discovers he is not the center of the known universe.

I kid you not, some of the things I've shown you have so weirded me out that they had the hair on the back of my neck standing up.  Much of it I was not so sure about, but some rarefied evidences really cannot be anything else.

Quote from: Trip on August 03, 2013, 07:16:23 AM
I kid you not, some of the things I've shown you have so weirded me out that they had the hair on the back of my neck standing up.  Much of it I was not so sure about, but some rarefied evidences really cannot be anything else.

I know, I was just poking fun at the need of some of these so called experts to explain away the obvious to prove their fantasy.
Like I said, there is sooo much that can yet be explained, and I truly enjoy viewing this from the perspective of a former detective.
It's the nature of the detective to never jump to conclusion, rather allow the evidence to lead you to the next clue.

Like the Rover pics showing objects mysteriously moving. Rather than focusing on where it went, you look for evidence that they were there, like some form of excrement, whether it be exhaust from their breath, or piles of digested rock, we just have to search for finger prints.

Take the pic of the so called carved Sphinx. Where are the tailings? Everything leaves evidence of it's existence, and what we do know of advanced life, is it generally has a heat signature, that is what I would be looking for, heat and odd gas accumulations, whether it be Co2 or methane, accumulations are a signature of activity in some regards.

I'm not saying life, or intelligent life does not exist elsewhere, I believe it does, to believe otherwise is pure arrogance. I need actual proof, and we have only just begun to look, we are in the infancy stage of exploration.

Quote from: Solar on August 03, 2013, 08:02:22 AM
I'm not saying life, or intelligent life does not exist elsewhere, I believe it does, to believe otherwise is pure arrogance. I need actual proof, and we have only just begun to look, we are in the infancy stage of exploration.

What if others found us first?

Or somehow impacted our existence?