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Creationism
« on: October 08, 2018, 07:26:30 AM »
I will argue how come universities are mostly leftist.

Creationism is much maligned in academics, but you should hold back on your prejudices about it, because it's really the best most common sense thing.

You should view creationism as the alternative to materialism, and postmodernism. Not the Christian or Islamic creationism in particular, but generic creationism, the structure of a creation theory in general.

In materialism only facts are validated, the existence of material things is a matter of fact. That leaves subjective opinion, like about beauty nowhere. There is no place for beauty in materialism.

Then they made postmodernism, which asserts that subjectivity is inherent in statements of fact. That makes no strict sense, but it is better than materialism because at least it provides some facillity to subjectivity.

But what we require ofcourse is to have both objective fact and subjective opinion, each validated in their own right, and that is creationism.

Creationism has two categories, creator and creation. Subjective opinions apply to creators, and facts apply to creations. Choice is the mechanism of creation, it is how things originate.

To explain subjective opinion, take a look at the phrase "I find this painting beautiful". The opinion is formed by spontaneous expression of emotion with free will, thus choosing the opinion. The word "beautiful" identifes a love for the way the painting looks as agency of the choice to say it is beautiful. So the logic of subjective opinion is to make a choice about what it is that makes a choice.

The logic fact is the same in creationism as in materialism, except that facts are only about creations. A fact is obtained by evidence of a creation forcing to produce a 1 to 1 corresponding model of it. The phrase "there is a mangotree by the river", the words essentially make a 1 to 1 corresponding model of said tree, forced by the evidence of it.

So you see that's great, both opinion and fact, each validated in their own right, with their own method, and their own domain to which they apply.

It matters if a politician is a materialist, a postmodernist, or a creationist. For example both communism and nazism are highly materialistic. Communism with dialectic materialism, and nazism with regarding character of people as a factual issue of racial science.

So it is my contention that people at Universities become leftists, because of the prevalence of materialism and postmodernism there, and the denial of  creationism.

Materialism undermines subjectivity to such an extent, as that mant people cannot become emotionally mature at universities. The hysteria of the left I guess to be typical of a certain kind of lack of emotional maturity, eventhough they may be emotionally mature in other areas of life.

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2018, 08:30:14 AM »
Welcome Sam

That's an interesting take on Marxism in school.
Though a bit involved myopically, I've always viewed it as teaching ignorance. The left doesn't want people understanding history, educated to the point they develop critical thinking skills, no, they want them for a lack of better descriptor, "Barefoot and Pregnant".
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Re: Creationism
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2018, 10:08:16 PM »
Creationism is much maligned in academics, but you should hold back on your prejudices about it, because it's really the best most common sense thing.
What do you say of the skeptic who has decided that the theory of evolution makes more sense than the theory of creation?
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Re: Creationism
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2018, 04:01:26 AM »
Science is not leftist, science can be tested and demonstrated.  Creationism is basically a religious belief, but ironically the science of evolution is so obvious that even many religious and religions recognize it as an explanation of life on earth. The proof of evolution is obviously shown by how closely life is related to other living things. But religious beliefs are beliefs and for some no amount of proof would convince them otherwise. Making science leftist is simply a rhetorical device used too often today to confuse and distort. For the reader check out these books and OP.

The Pony Fish's Glow: And Other Clues To Plan And Purpose In Nature'   by George C. Williams

'Prehistory: The Making Of The Human Mind'  by Colin Renfrew

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2018, 05:35:16 AM »
Science is not leftist, science can be tested and demonstrated.  Creationism is basically a religious belief, but ironically the science of evolution is so obvious that even many religious and religions recognize it as an explanation of life on earth. The proof of evolution is obviously shown by how closely life is related to other living things. But religious beliefs are beliefs and for some no amount of proof would convince them otherwise. Making science leftist is simply a rhetorical device used too often today to confuse and distort. For the reader check out these books and OP.

The Pony Fish's Glow: And Other Clues To Plan And Purpose In Nature'   by George C. Williams

'Prehistory: The Making Of The Human Mind'  by Colin Renfrew

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html
So because science proves Neanderthals are our distant relatives, this proves God didn't create man, how again?
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Re: Creationism
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2018, 06:16:36 AM »
I think the point he was trying to make is that religion does not disprove the theory of evolution. 
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Re: Creationism
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2018, 06:55:06 AM »
I think the point he was trying to make is that religion does not disprove the theory of evolution.
Which was my point vice versa.
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Re: Creationism
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2018, 11:38:32 AM »
Science is not leftist, science can be tested and demonstrated.  Creationism is basically a religious belief, but ironically the science of evolution is so obvious that even many religious and religions recognize it as an explanation of life on earth. The proof of evolution is obviously shown by how closely life is related to other living things. But religious beliefs are beliefs and for some no amount of proof would convince them otherwise. Making science leftist is simply a rhetorical device used too often today to confuse and distort. For the reader check out these books and OP.

The Pony Fish's Glow: And Other Clues To Plan And Purpose In Nature'   by George C. Williams

'Prehistory: The Making Of The Human Mind'  by Colin Renfrew

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html
Or it could simply show there was only one creator.

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Re: Creationism
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2019, 05:41:14 AM »
I will argue how come universities are mostly leftist.

Creationism is much maligned in academics, but you should hold back on your prejudices about it, because it's really the best most common sense thing.

You should view creationism as the alternative to materialism, and postmodernism. Not the Christian or Islamic creationism in particular, but generic creationism, the structure of a creation theory in general.

In materialism only facts are validated, the existence of material things is a matter of fact. That leaves subjective opinion, like about beauty nowhere. There is no place for beauty in materialism.

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Materialism undermines subjectivity to such an extent, as that mant people cannot become emotionally mature at universities. The hysteria of the left I guess to be typical of a certain kind of lack of emotional maturity, eventhough they may be emotionally mature in other areas of life.

I just saw this today and and decided to reply.

/b] Take for example mathematics - arguably the most "hard" science that seeks to prove universal truths. A sandbox where all is to be justified by proof. Statements like 2 > 1 (two is greater than one) is true universally ... and provable based on the axioms, some definitions, and proofs. But where are the foundation "facts" generated? Those would be the axioms ... the ideas that you accept as true without proof. For math, that falls under set theory. There are basically nine axioms of set theory on which all math that we exercise is supported from (e.g., for a list, see the short book Chapter Zero or http://fa.its.tudelft.nl/~hart/onderwijs/set_theory/Jech/01-axioms_of_set_theory.pdf for example).

But there are limitations even to axiomatic systems, e.g., see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems ... hence even the best axiomatic systems are on shaky ground.

Some do not accept all the axioms as valid - for example the Axiom of Choice (ZF vs. ZFC). And it has tremendous consequences in what is provable as true (or not). To dip a toe in on that see "The Axiom of Choice" by Jech (for example). 

Hence, all math is faith based - faith in the axioms that you choose to accept and use. And if that's true, how much more true is it of any other field of science.

So most ideas we hold are subjective due to a self-chosen origin. About all you can say is "true" is that which you witness directly. And just because you witness something locally (observable / measurable) does not make it universally true.

The key question is whether you believe that absolute truth exists. Then, what ideas are absolutely true? And an interesting question is what truth can we infer from our subjective observations, understanding, and experience. Also, what false truths may be inferred from a set of observations?
 

 

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