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Title: Creationism
Post by: Syamsu on October 08, 2018, 07:26:30 AM
I will argue how come universities are mostly leftist.

Creationism is much maligned in academics, but you should hold back on your prejudices about it, because it's really the best most common sense thing.

You should view creationism as the alternative to materialism, and postmodernism. Not the Christian or Islamic creationism in particular, but generic creationism, the structure of a creation theory in general.

In materialism only facts are validated, the existence of material things is a matter of fact. That leaves subjective opinion, like about beauty nowhere. There is no place for beauty in materialism.

Then they made postmodernism, which asserts that subjectivity is inherent in statements of fact. That makes no strict sense, but it is better than materialism because at least it provides some facillity to subjectivity.

But what we require ofcourse is to have both objective fact and subjective opinion, each validated in their own right, and that is creationism.

Creationism has two categories, creator and creation. Subjective opinions apply to creators, and facts apply to creations. Choice is the mechanism of creation, it is how things originate.

To explain subjective opinion, take a look at the phrase "I find this painting beautiful". The opinion is formed by spontaneous expression of emotion with free will, thus choosing the opinion. The word "beautiful" identifes a love for the way the painting looks as agency of the choice to say it is beautiful. So the logic of subjective opinion is to make a choice about what it is that makes a choice.

The logic fact is the same in creationism as in materialism, except that facts are only about creations. A fact is obtained by evidence of a creation forcing to produce a 1 to 1 corresponding model of it. The phrase "there is a mangotree by the river", the words essentially make a 1 to 1 corresponding model of said tree, forced by the evidence of it.

So you see that's great, both opinion and fact, each validated in their own right, with their own method, and their own domain to which they apply.

It matters if a politician is a materialist, a postmodernist, or a creationist. For example both communism and nazism are highly materialistic. Communism with dialectic materialism, and nazism with regarding character of people as a factual issue of racial science.

So it is my contention that people at Universities become leftists, because of the prevalence of materialism and postmodernism there, and the denial of  creationism.

Materialism undermines subjectivity to such an extent, as that mant people cannot become emotionally mature at universities. The hysteria of the left I guess to be typical of a certain kind of lack of emotional maturity, eventhough they may be emotionally mature in other areas of life.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on October 08, 2018, 08:30:14 AM
Welcome Sam

That's an interesting take on Marxism in school.
Though a bit involved myopically, I've always viewed it as teaching ignorance. The left doesn't want people understanding history, educated to the point they develop critical thinking skills, no, they want them for a lack of better descriptor, "Barefoot and Pregnant".
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Ranb on October 20, 2018, 10:08:16 PM
Quote from: Syamsu on October 08, 2018, 07:26:30 AM
Creationism is much maligned in academics, but you should hold back on your prejudices about it, because it's really the best most common sense thing.
What do you say of the skeptic who has decided that the theory of evolution makes more sense than the theory of creation?
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: midcan5 on October 23, 2018, 04:01:26 AM
Science is not leftist, science can be tested and demonstrated.  Creationism is basically a religious belief, but ironically the science of evolution is so obvious that even many religious and religions recognize it as an explanation of life on earth. The proof of evolution is obviously shown by how closely life is related to other living things. But religious beliefs are beliefs and for some no amount of proof would convince them otherwise. Making science leftist is simply a rhetorical device used too often today to confuse and distort. For the reader check out these books and OP.

The Pony Fish's Glow: And Other Clues To Plan And Purpose In Nature'   by George C. Williams

'Prehistory: The Making Of The Human Mind'  by Colin Renfrew

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on October 23, 2018, 05:35:16 AM
Quote from: midcan5 on October 23, 2018, 04:01:26 AM
Science is not leftist, science can be tested and demonstrated.  Creationism is basically a religious belief, but ironically the science of evolution is so obvious that even many religious and religions recognize it as an explanation of life on earth. The proof of evolution is obviously shown by how closely life is related to other living things. But religious beliefs are beliefs and for some no amount of proof would convince them otherwise. Making science leftist is simply a rhetorical device used too often today to confuse and distort. For the reader check out these books and OP.

The Pony Fish's Glow: And Other Clues To Plan And Purpose In Nature'   by George C. Williams

'Prehistory: The Making Of The Human Mind'  by Colin Renfrew

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html
So because science proves Neanderthals are our distant relatives, this proves God didn't create man, how again?
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Ranb on October 23, 2018, 06:16:36 AM
I think the point he was trying to make is that religion does not disprove the theory of evolution. 
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on October 23, 2018, 06:55:06 AM
Quote from: Ranb on October 23, 2018, 06:16:36 AM
I think the point he was trying to make is that religion does not disprove the theory of evolution.
Which was my point vice versa.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Possum on October 24, 2018, 11:38:32 AM
Quote from: midcan5 on October 23, 2018, 04:01:26 AM
Science is not leftist, science can be tested and demonstrated.  Creationism is basically a religious belief, but ironically the science of evolution is so obvious that even many religious and religions recognize it as an explanation of life on earth. The proof of evolution is obviously shown by how closely life is related to other living things. But religious beliefs are beliefs and for some no amount of proof would convince them otherwise. Making science leftist is simply a rhetorical device used too often today to confuse and distort. For the reader check out these books and OP.

The Pony Fish's Glow: And Other Clues To Plan And Purpose In Nature'   by George C. Williams

'Prehistory: The Making Of The Human Mind'  by Colin Renfrew

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html
Or it could simply show there was only one creator.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: topside on February 08, 2019, 05:41:14 AM
Quote from: Syamsu on October 08, 2018, 07:26:30 AM
I will argue how come universities are mostly leftist.

Creationism is much maligned in academics, but you should hold back on your prejudices about it, because it's really the best most common sense thing.

You should view creationism as the alternative to materialism, and postmodernism. Not the Christian or Islamic creationism in particular, but generic creationism, the structure of a creation theory in general.

In materialism only facts are validated, the existence of material things is a matter of fact. That leaves subjective opinion, like about beauty nowhere. There is no place for beauty in materialism.

...

Materialism undermines subjectivity to such an extent, as that mant people cannot become emotionally mature at universities. The hysteria of the left I guess to be typical of a certain kind of lack of emotional maturity, eventhough they may be emotionally mature in other areas of life.

I just saw this today and and decided to reply.

/b] Take for example mathematics - arguably the most "hard" science that seeks to prove universal truths. A sandbox where all is to be justified by proof. Statements like 2 > 1 (two is greater than one) is true universally ... and provable based on the axioms, some definitions, and proofs. But where are the foundation "facts" generated? Those would be the axioms ... the ideas that you accept as true without proof. For math, that falls under set theory. There are basically nine axioms of set theory on which all math that we exercise is supported from (e.g., for a list, see the short book Chapter Zero or http://fa.its.tudelft.nl/~hart/onderwijs/set_theory/Jech/01-axioms_of_set_theory.pdf (http://fa.its.tudelft.nl/~hart/onderwijs/set_theory/Jech/01-axioms_of_set_theory.pdf) for example).

But there are limitations even to axiomatic systems, e.g., see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems) ... hence even the best axiomatic systems are on shaky ground.

Some do not accept all the axioms as valid - for example the Axiom of Choice (ZF vs. ZFC). And it has tremendous consequences in what is provable as true (or not). To dip a toe in on that see "The Axiom of Choice" by Jech (for example). 

Hence, all math is faith based - faith in the axioms that you choose to accept and use. And if that's true, how much more true is it of any other field of science.

So most ideas we hold are subjective due to a self-chosen origin. About all you can say is "true" is that which you witness directly. And just because you witness something locally (observable / measurable) does not make it universally true.

The key question is whether you believe that absolute truth exists. Then, what ideas are absolutely true? And an interesting question is what truth can we infer from our subjective observations, understanding, and experience. Also, what false truths may be inferred from a set of observations?
 
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on February 25, 2019, 02:17:18 AM
I have some problems with creationism.   I have some problems with the idea of no creator as well.  Neither possibility makes sense.

1.  Which version of creationism (if any) is correct?  Biblical version?  The India version, Ancient Greek, Chinese?  How do we know this beyond faith or some kind of gut feeling?

2.  If there is a creator of everything then this creator has no origin.  How is that logically possible for let's say an object or entity to have no origin or no "where or whence it came?" 

On the other hand, if there is no creator and everything must have an origin then logically we would have an infinite amount of creators?  How is this logically possible as well?

If the choices are creator or no creator leading to logical impossibilities then something must be wrong with all of our assumptions that lead to either of these possibilities b/c neither possibility make sense.  So, I'm stuck and confused.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on February 25, 2019, 06:08:45 AM
Quote from: topside on February 08, 2019, 05:41:14 AM
I just saw this today and and decided to reply.

/b] Take for example mathematics - arguably the most "hard" science that seeks to prove universal truths. A sandbox where all is to be justified by proof. Statements like 2 > 1 (two is greater than one) is true universally ... and provable based on the axioms, some definitions, and proofs. But where are the foundation "facts" generated? Those would be the axioms ... the ideas that you accept as true without proof. For math, that falls under set theory. There are basically nine axioms of set theory on which all math that we exercise is supported from (e.g., for a list, see the short book Chapter Zero or http://fa.its.tudelft.nl/~hart/onderwijs/set_theory/Jech/01-axioms_of_set_theory.pdf (http://fa.its.tudelft.nl/~hart/onderwijs/set_theory/Jech/01-axioms_of_set_theory.pdf) for example).

But there are limitations even to axiomatic systems, e.g., see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems) ... hence even the best axiomatic systems are on shaky ground.

Some do not accept all the axioms as valid - for example the Axiom of Choice (ZF vs. ZFC). And it has tremendous consequences in what is provable as true (or not). To dip a toe in on that see "The Axiom of Choice" by Jech (for example). 

Hence, all math is faith based - faith in the axioms that you choose to accept and use. And if that's true, how much more true is it of any other field of science.

So most ideas we hold are subjective due to a self-chosen origin. About all you can say is "true" is that which you witness directly. And just because you witness something locally (observable / measurable) does not make it universally true.

The key question is whether you believe that absolute truth exists. Then, what ideas are absolutely true? And an interesting question is what truth can we infer from our subjective observations, understanding, and experience. Also, what false truths may be inferred from a set of observations?

Sorry, didn't see this till now.

To address your query, Gods Law, Natural Law. Instead of me giving examples, look it up, but here's two.
You can't breathe water and fire will burn you. These are just two axioms one can't deny.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on February 25, 2019, 06:14:00 AM
Quote from: alienhand on February 25, 2019, 02:17:18 AM
I have some problems with creationism.   I have some problems with the idea of no creator as well.  Neither possibility makes sense.

1.  Which version of creationism (if any) is correct?  Biblical version?  The India version, Ancient Greek, Chinese?  How do we know this beyond faith or some kind of gut feeling?

2.  If there is a creator of everything then this creator has no origin.  How is that logically possible for let's say an object or entity to have no origin or no "where or whence it came?" 

On the other hand, if there is no creator and everything must have an origin then logically we would have an infinite amount of creators?  How is this logically possible as well?

If the choices are creator or no creator leading to logical impossibilities then something must be wrong with all of our assumptions that lead to either of these possibilities b/c neither possibility make sense.  So, I'm stuck and confused.
Same for you, look up Natural Law. Our Founders had a good understanding of Gods Law, many  were Deists in thought, the absence of religion, the idea that something created life and walked away.
But to create life, there had to be certain laws of physics for the whole thing to coalesce, these are Natural Laws, laws that in most cases be broken, and in others, should not.

Look it up, you have much to learn.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on February 25, 2019, 08:06:49 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 25, 2019, 06:08:45 AM
Sorry, didn't see this till now.

To address your query, Gods Law, Natural Law. Instead of me giving examples, look it up, but here's two.
You can't breathe water and fire will burn you. These are just two axioms one can't deny.

But, why does fire burn at all and why can't one breathe water?   How does it actually work? 

I looked up Deism.  How is it possible for there to be an uncaused cause at all?   It seems like all creationists says is that there must be a creator and this creator created all.  Nothing beyond that it simply is.  How though?  How?   Again, it simply is.  That's the message I'm getting.  How is it possible for something to exist without an origin? 

Solar, it's like you from my own observations of what you say here take a very simplistic view of life. It's like you'll say that water is simply wet and then don't think about it any further.   For me, this is so beyond frustrating.  I'm not trying to insult you or be an ass to you and if it comes across that way I apologize.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on February 25, 2019, 10:04:53 PM
It's frustrating and fascinating.  The best way I can describe your way of thinking Solar is that you're complicatedly simple.  And, the founding fathers and others who wrote all of these words in the Constitution and other documents are of the same thinking style. 
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: supsalemgr on February 26, 2019, 04:31:24 AM
Quote from: alienhand on February 25, 2019, 10:04:53 PM
It's frustrating and fascinating.  The best way I can describe your way of thinking Solar is that you're complicatedly simple.  And, the founding fathers and others who wrote all of these words in the Constitution and other documents are of the same thinking style.

Remember KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2019, 05:13:27 AM
Quote from: alienhand on February 25, 2019, 08:06:49 PM
But, why does fire burn at all and why can't one breathe water?   How does it actually work? 

I looked up Deism.  How is it possible for there to be an uncaused cause at all?   It seems like all creationists says is that there must be a creator and this creator created all.  Nothing beyond that it simply is.  How though?  How?   Again, it simply is.  That's the message I'm getting.  How is it possible for something to exist without an origin? 

Solar, it's like you from my own observations of what you say here take a very simplistic view of life. It's like you'll say that water is simply wet and then don't think about it any further.   For me, this is so beyond frustrating.  I'm not trying to insult you or be an ass to you and if it comes across that way I apologize.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Let me give you the short answer. LIFE! That's it. You are not supposed to know all the answers by design because it would ruin the adventure, moron!
You were given a gift, yet you question its value, the source of the gift, the motive of the gift giver, even the fact that this realm even exists isn't good enough for you, you spoiled brat!
God made it happen, but you can't be happy with that, you have to know the unanswerable.
Why not pick a subject that's even simpler, like what exists beyond the known universe by infinity times a billion? Wait,, you don't care? Then why are you hung up on shit you are not supposed to know the answer to?

There's an old trick I learned nearly 60 years ago. You get on your knees, raise your hand in the air and lower yourself in a bowing position, much like a Muscum does.
You repeat this up and down motion all the while slowly repeating the phrase "O Wah Ta Nah Siam" you keep doing this until you hear the spirits message speak to you, at which point you blush and get up and walk away.
You're still on the floor screaming and sweating on your knees furiously waving your arms and yelling "Oh What An Ass I Am!!!"

I'll tell you why I no longer ask the questions of a child. Because I know the answer to life. Not the question, because that's just bottom line infinitely stupid, but rather the ultimate refined answer.
Love, that's it, that's all there is to life, find it, experience it, live it, understand all it has to offer and take it in before your time runs out.

You constantly ask stupid complex questions that you could easily answer yourself if you just opened your heart and listened, God is there.
Like I've told you before, I've talked to God on many occasions/Daily and you could too if you just opened up that wall you've surrounded yourself with, out of fear.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I discovered all the answers on my own, but that's not to say the questions are the same for all, because one persons Hell is another's paradise, so their purpose for being here may be entirely different with an entirely different set of answers, but I'd suspect they too are here to learn, be it humility or compassion, only God knows knows their purpose.
Life is way more complicated than man can begin to grasp, but at the same time, if one believes in the existence of a creator, the answer is childlike simplistic.

There is no need for all the answers to life, in the end they are all answered, and you'll quickly discover you wasted your adventure asking stupid innocuous questions, when you should have been out living the answers.
You're still sitting at the starting line pondering how an engine works, why are tires round, why isn't there a key on a race car, why am I so low to the ground, why, why , WHYYYY?
All the while being lapped by all the other drivers. Shut The Fuck Up And Drive you idiot, before the race comes to an end!!!

Now, stop asking me so many stupid fuckin questions! Find the answers yourself, by living life, you damned hermit!
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: walkstall on February 26, 2019, 08:09:15 AM
Quote from: Solar on February 26, 2019, 05:13:27 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Let me give you the short answer. LIFE! That's it. You are not supposed to know all the answers by design because it would ruin the adventure, moron!
You were given a gift, yet you question its value, the source of the gift, the motive of the gift giver, even the fact that this realm even exists isn't good enough for you, you spoiled brat!
God made it happen, but you can't be happy with that, you have to know the unanswerable.
Why not pick a subject that's even simpler, like what exists beyond the known universe by infinity times a billion? Wait,, you don't care? Then why are you hung up on shit you are not supposed to know the answer to?

There's an old trick I learned nearly 60 years ago. You get on your knees, raise your hand in the air and lower yourself in a bowing position, much like a Muscum does.
You repeat this up and down motion all the while slowly repeating the phrase "O Wah Ta Nah Siam" you keep doing this until you hear the spirits message speak to you, at which point you blush and get up and walk away.
You're still on the floor screaming and sweating on your knees furiously waving your arms and yelling "Oh What An Ass I Am!!!"

I'll tell you why I no longer ask the questions of a child. Because I know the answer to life. Not the question, because that's just bottom line infinitely stupid, but rather the ultimate refined answer.
Love, that's it, that's all there is to life, find it, experience it, live it, understand all it has to offer and take it in before your time runs out.

You constantly ask stupid complex questions that you could easily answer yourself if you just opened your heart and listened, God is there.
Like I've told you before, I've talked to God on many occasions/Daily and you could too if you just opened up that wall you've surrounded yourself with, out of fear.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I discovered all the answers on my own, but that's not to say the questions are the same for all, because one persons Hell is another's paradise, so their purpose for being here may be entirely different with an entirely different set of answers, but I'd suspect they too are here to learn, be it humility or compassion, only God knows knows their purpose.
Life is way more complicated than man can begin to grasp, but at the same time, if one believes in the existence of a creator, the answer is childlike simplistic.

There is no need for all the answers to life, in the end they are all answered, and you'll quickly discover you wasted your adventure asking stupid innocuous questions, when you should have been out living the answers.
You're still sitting at the starting line pondering how an engine works, why are tires round, why isn't there a key on a race car, why am I so low to the ground, why, why , WHYYYY?
All the while being lapped by all the other drivers. Shut The Fuck Up And Drive you idiot, before the race comes to an end!!!

Now, stop asking me so many stupid fuckin questions! Find the answers yourself, by living life, you damned hermit!


After all this his next post will show that all this went over his head.   

He is enjoying playing little game of WHY, Why, Why? 

The government should put him up in a Holiday Inn.  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2019, 08:40:58 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 26, 2019, 04:31:24 AM
Remember KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid.
He just compared me to the Founders. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2019, 08:46:09 AM
Quote from: walkstall on February 26, 2019, 08:09:15 AM



After all this his next post will show that all this went over his head.   

He is enjoying playing little game of WHY, Why, Why? 

The government should put him up in a Holiday Inn.  :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You saw that post, on retirement I take it? :biggrin:
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: walkstall on February 26, 2019, 09:13:24 AM
Quote from: Solar on February 26, 2019, 08:46:09 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You saw that post, on retirement I take it? :biggrin:


At my age it's something to think about.   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on February 26, 2019, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Solar on February 26, 2019, 05:13:27 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Let me give you the short answer. LIFE! That's it. You are not supposed to know all the answers by design because it would ruin the adventure, moron!



You were given a gift, yet you question its value, the source of the gift, the motive of the gift giver, even the fact that this realm even exists isn't good enough for you, you spoiled brat!
God made it happen, but you can't be happy with that, you have to know the unanswerable.
Why not pick a subject that's even simpler, like what exists beyond the known universe by infinity times a billion? Wait,, you don't care? Then why are you hung up on shit you are not supposed to know the answer to?

There's an old trick I learned nearly 60 years ago. You get on your knees, raise your hand in the air and lower yourself in a bowing position, much like a Muscum does.
You repeat this up and down motion all the while slowly repeating the phrase "O Wah Ta Nah Siam" you keep doing this until you hear the spirits message speak to you, at which point you blush and get up and walk away.
You're still on the floor screaming and sweating on your knees furiously waving your arms and yelling "Oh What An Ass I Am!!!"

I'll tell you why I no longer ask the questions of a child. Because I know the answer to life. Not the question, because that's just bottom line infinitely stupid, but rather the ultimate refined answer.
Love, that's it, that's all there is to life, find it, experience it, live it, understand all it has to offer and take it in before your time runs out.

You constantly ask stupid complex questions that you could easily answer yourself if you just opened your heart and listened, God is there.
Like I've told you before, I've talked to God on many occasions/Daily and you could too if you just opened up that wall you've surrounded yourself with, out of fear.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I discovered all the answers on my own, but that's not to say the questions are the same for all, because one persons Hell is another's paradise, so their purpose for being here may be entirely different with an entirely different set of answers, but I'd suspect they too are here to learn, be it humility or compassion, only God knows knows their purpose.
Life is way more complicated than man can begin to grasp, but at the same time, if one believes in the existence of a creator, the answer is childlike simplistic.

There is no need for all the answers to life, in the end they are all answered, and you'll quickly discover you wasted your adventure asking stupid innocuous questions, when you should have been out living the answers.
You're still sitting at the starting line pondering how an engine works, why are tires round, why isn't there a key on a race car, why am I so low to the ground, why, why , WHYYYY?
All the while being lapped by all the other drivers. Shut The Fuck Up And Drive you idiot, before the race comes to an end!!!

Now, stop asking me so many stupid fuckin questions! Find the answers yourself, by living life, you damned hermit!

Well Solar, it is God who formed thee in thy mother's womb.  It is God who formed my DNA and my brain structure.   It is God who gave me my nature just like he has given you yours.  If God is perfect and makes no mistakes then am I not the way he intended me to be just like he intended you to be?  Maybe I question life, the giver of life, and its value because that is what God intends for me to do.  Maybe God has given me the yearning to understand.  Did God not tell us to seek and ye shall find and did not God tell us to ask and ye shall receive?  God knows me better then I know myself since he is the one who made me.  To ask why is the path to wisdom and understanding.   It is wisdom, love of all that is good and understanding that frees us from ignorance, darkness, and duplicity.  It is wisdom, love of all that is good and understanding that will bring us out of Babylon and her iniquities.  It is why I ask why.  It is to keep all of us from being deceived by the false prophets. 

You were created in his image as was I Solar and God has many images.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2019, 11:37:48 AM
Quote from: alienhand on February 26, 2019, 11:13:19 AM
Well Solar, it is God who formed thee in thy mother's womb.  It is God who formed my DNA and my brain structure.   It is God who gave me my nature just like he has given you yours.  If God is perfect and makes no mistakes then am I not the way he intended me to be just like he intended you to be?  Maybe I question life, the giver of life, and its value because that is what God intends for me to do.  Maybe God has given me the yearning to understand.  Did God not tell us to seek and ye shall find and did not God tell us to ask and ye shall receive?  God knows me better then I know myself since he is the one who made me.  To ask why is the path to wisdom and understanding.   It is wisdom, love of all that is good and understanding that frees us from ignorance, darkness, and duplicity.  It is wisdom, love of all that is good and understanding that will bring us out of Babylon and her iniquities.  It is why I ask why.  It is to keep all of us from being deceived by the false prophets. 

You were created in his image as was I Solar and God has many images.
I posted all that, and this is the nonsense reply I receive?
You have a major flaw in your thinking, you're inserting religion.
Go look up Natural Law, then get back to me.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on February 26, 2019, 08:15:10 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 26, 2019, 11:37:48 AM
I posted all that, and this is the nonsense reply I receive?
You have a major flaw in your thinking, you're inserting religion.
Go look up Natural Law, then get back to me.

Well, you gave me a bunch of nonsense yourself so I gave you back what you gave me based upon what I understood from it.

A lot of what you say in all of that is abstract and general.  Here is an example.  You said "Love, that's it, that's all there is to life."   What does this even mean exactly?  Love for what? There are different kinds of love. My family and loved ones?  Love for my society?  Love as in friendships? Romantic love? And, there are different ways to display love like acts of service, acts of affection, etc.  I keep telling you that you're talking to an Autistic person.  I think more in concrete and literal terms and it is extremely difficult for me to think in the way you're demanding that I think which is extremely abstract.

Here is another example of something that makes absolutely no sense Solar.  You said and I quote "You constantly ask stupid complex questions that you could easily answer yourself if you just opened your heart and listened, God is there.
Like I've told you before, I've talked to God on many occasions/Daily and you could too if you just opened up that wall you've surrounded yourself with, out of fear."

When you and others give those Autistics like myself meaningless abstract nonsense we literally have difficulty with I'm going to ask the transmitter of the message questions.  Supposedly there is a God.  He made all including myself.  He made me this way.  He should know how I think better then I do.  My factory default model is different then yours.  God wouldn't speak to you in middle english or spanish.  He'd speak to you in a way you'd understood him.  He would speak in a way I understand as well without all of the meaningless, abstract, dribble.  He wouldn't expect me to think in a way outside or use my mind in a way he didn't design it for.  He would show me in concrete and specific ways instead of using abstract terms like natural law or open your heart which to me you're speaking utter gibberish. 

Why?  Why am I not allowed to question this creator or gift giver on anything at all?  I'm a spoiled brat b/c I dare to question.  I dare to understand what is good and why it's good.  Isn't part of Natural law the gift of reason.  I think Hobbes said it was.  This much I get.   When it comes to this creator I'm not expected to use it.  I'm a spoiled brat for using reason to understand the natural world and society and even God himself even though God gave this to me so I can do better and be better? 

You say in your own way there are some things forbidden for me to know and understand.   Again, the creator created me as is.   This includes the inability to even determine in specific and concrete terms what my boundaries are.  What exactly am I allowed to seek knowledge of and what am I forbidden to seek knowledge of? 

All you are doing is giving people a bunch of meaningless, abstract, dribble to an autistic person such as myself. 
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on February 27, 2019, 01:02:43 AM
Solar, you also claim to talk to God himself on many occasions.  Like a face to face conversation?  You say God is us and we're God giving me your beliefs in a collective. You're saying you had a conversation will all 7 billion people currently on the Earth at the same time.  How is that possible?  Why don't any of us even remember these conversations with you Solar?   Solar you're not even making sense and you're entire message is incoherent? 

Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on February 27, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
Quote from: alienhand on February 26, 2019, 08:15:10 PM
Well, you gave me a bunch of nonsense yourself so I gave you back what you gave me based upon what I understood from it.

A lot of what you say in all of that is abstract and general.  Here is an example.  You said "Love, that's it, that's all there is to life."   What does this even mean exactly?  Love for what? There are different kinds of love. My family and loved ones?  Love for my society?  Love as in friendships? Romantic love? And, there are different ways to display love like acts of service, acts of affection, etc.  I keep telling you that you're talking to an Autistic person.  I think more in concrete and literal terms and it is extremely difficult for me to think in the way you're demanding that I think which is extremely abstract.
You can be autistic, but that doesn't excuse stupid.
I explained long ago that falling in love, reciprocating said affection is the key, even loving from afar can fall in the category, as in, "To love lost, is still love", but better explained in "Is It Better to Have Loved and Lost Than Never to Have Loved".
As I stated earlier, God gave us Dogs so even the lonely could understand unconditional love, but the ultimate love is shared with another human being.

QuoteHere is another example of something that makes absolutely no sense Solar.  You said and I quote "You constantly ask stupid complex questions that you could easily answer yourself if you just opened your heart and listened, God is there.
Like I've told you before, I've talked to God on many occasions/Daily and you could too if you just opened up that wall you've surrounded yourself with, out of fear."

When you and others give those Autistics like myself meaningless abstract nonsense we literally have difficulty with I'm going to ask the transmitter of the message questions.  Supposedly there is a God.  He made all including myself.  He made me this way.  He should know how I think better then I do.  My factory default model is different then yours.  God wouldn't speak to you in middle english or spanish.  He'd speak to you in a way you'd understood him.  He would speak in a way I understand as well without all of the meaningless, abstract, dribble.  He wouldn't expect me to think in a way outside or use my mind in a way he didn't design it for.  He would show me in concrete and specific ways instead of using abstract terms like natural law or open your heart which to me you're speaking utter gibberish.
Is it even possible for one to hear the voice of, or feel the presence of God if one has no faith?
I've known of Gods presence as far back as I can remember, long before being dragged off to a smelly old musty church, a stench I can remember to this day.
What's worse, is the church was giving me mixed messages contrary to what I knew to be fact, so I totally rejected religion.

QuoteWhy?  Why am I not allowed to question this creator or gift giver on anything at all?  I'm a spoiled brat b/c I dare to question.  I dare to understand what is good and why it's good.  Isn't part of Natural law the gift of reason.  I think Hobbes said it was.  This much I get.   When it comes to this creator I'm not expected to use it.  I'm a spoiled brat for using reason to understand the natural world and society and even God himself even though God gave this to me so I can do better and be better?
You see it as a curse, and maybe that's the problem.
Like I said, I was born as a red head with out of control energy, a social pariah with foot in mouth disease, a person that simply couldn't slow down long enough to make friends.
But I looked for the positives in my unique disability. Turned out I had drive and energy 10 times that of my peers, an ability to multi task because I saw everything around me taking place, yet never focused on any single event.
How could this possibly be an asset when it alienated me fro people?
I won't go into detail, but in the end, I lived the life of ten people because I could.
What you've been told is a  disability may be the biggest lie ever told by the psychology world. They focus on your inabilities, it's incumbent upon you to see the positives of what actually could be your gift.

QuoteYou say in your own way there are some things forbidden for me to know and understand.   Again, the creator created me as is.   This includes the inability to even determine in specific and concrete terms what my boundaries are.  What exactly am I allowed to seek knowledge of and what am I forbidden to seek knowledge of? 
Why are you depending on others for lifes answers?
Like I said, you locked yourself in a protective bubble out of fear, the only way you'll ever get the answers to life, is if you get out and actually live it.

QuoteAll you are doing is giving people a bunch of meaningless, abstract, dribble to an autistic person such as myself.

Lose the crutches and stop blaming others for your personal failures. As long as you rely on a computer for lifes answers, you'll be forever asking  questions into a dark and empty hole.
Personal experience will wash away many of your questions and bring on new questions, that's what we call "The growth in being Human".

Bottom-line is, you're just afraid, afraid to try anything. Don't lie, we all see it. That is your biggest problem.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on February 27, 2019, 11:01:05 AM
Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
You can be autistic, but that doesn't excuse stupid.
I explained long ago that falling in love, reciprocating said affection is the key, even loving from afar can fall in the category, as in, "To love lost, is still love", but better explained in "Is It Better to Have Loved and Lost Than Never to Have Loved".
As I stated earlier, God gave us Dogs so even the lonely could understand unconditional love, but the ultimate love is shared with another human being.


I get what you mean about the dog.  Brings me back to my dog named max I ever had when I was a child.  That dog was the smartest and loyalest dog I ever had.  Maybe for that alone I guess life is worth living.
 
Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
Is it even possible for one to hear the voice of, or feel the presence of God if one has no faith?

Supposedly with God, all things are possible.  Right now, I have major doubts.  I did go to church for a while and did what my pastor said when he said "to mediate on all things God."  I did for a while.  I thought and thought.  I asked others questions including yourself and him.  The deeper I went into the principles of Christanity the more I found that it made less and less sense.  It was all one big contradiction.  Instead of getting closer to God I went away.  So, I have doubts.   And, based upon the hypocrisy in many of the churches I guess the whole thing lost it's taste.  I desired to get close to God I wanted to get close but on the day of my Baptism the only thing I got was a good cool down in their pool while everyone else was yipping for joy for the holy spirit.  For example, it makes no sense that Jesus died on the cross  for my sins when he was and is God and God is eternal and forever.  How did he die on the cross?  Stuff like that made me drift away.  My faith was chipped away bit by bit when I followed my pastor's instructions.  Or did I ever have the faith as everyone understood it?  I don't know.

Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
I've known of Gods presence as far back as I can remember, long before being dragged off to a smelly old musty church, a stench I can remember to this day.
What's worse, is the church was giving me mixed messages contrary to what I knew to be fact, so I totally rejected religion.

Well, I've always felt disconnected from everyone and everything no matter what group I hung or associated with from Christians to druggies to jews to whites to blacks to mexicans.  For me, it's like I'm in a movie in which I'm but an observer.  It's always been that way for me.
 
Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
You see it as a curse, and maybe that's the problem.

I do indeed and I don't believe a number of issues are caused by society but caused by my Autism plus my personality and other things about myself.  If  nano-tech or genetic engineering could help me with a number of my issues or make me better I would do it.

Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
Like I said, I was born as a red head with out of control energy, a social pariah with foot in mouth disease, a person that simply couldn't slow down long enough to make friends.
But I looked for the positives in my unique disability. Turned out I had drive and energy 10 times that of my peers, an ability to multi task because I saw everything around me taking place, yet never focused on any single event.
How could this possibly be an asset when it alienated me fro people?

I'm glad you could find the positives.  I tried to do so but alas poor yoric I could not so why not give myself the positives with future genetic engineering or nano-tech?

Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
I won't go into detail, but in the end, I lived the life of ten people because I could.
What you've been told is a  disability may be the biggest lie ever told by the psychology world. They focus on your inabilities, it's incumbent upon you to see the positives of what actually could be your gift.

I will agree they tell a lot of lies but even a broken clock is right twice.

Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2019, 06:28:09 AM

Why are you depending on others for lifes answers?
Like I said, you locked yourself in a protective bubble out of fear, the only way you'll ever get the answers to life, is if you get out and actually live it.

They have different perspectives then I do.  I'm at the end of where I can go with my brain neurology.  For me to go further, I need to grasp their thought processes and what makes them work sort of knowing what makes a computer work.  With nano-tech and genetic engineering I think this is possible.  The brain is like a computer and with nano-tech and genetic engineering we could copy and replicate neurons thereby understanding each other's thought processes.

Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
Lose the crutches and stop blaming others for your personal failures. As long as you rely on a computer for lifes answers, you'll be forever asking  questions into a dark and empty hole.

And, I don't understand why one is not allowed to blame others no matter the case.  And, it is my neurology that is the issue for this lack of understanding. I need to go beyond my neurology.   Your brain and neurology allows you this understanding.  I need that thought process.  With genetic engineering and nano-tech with access to other's using nano-tech and genetic engineering I can access this thought process.

Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
Personal experience will wash away many of your questions and bring on new questions, that's what we call "The growth in being Human".

I don't process my experiences like most ppl so this won't and hasn't worked for me.  Which is why I need access to other's thought processes.

Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2019, 06:28:09 AM
Bottom-line is, you're just afraid, afraid to try anything. Don't lie, we all see it. That is your biggest problem.

It is my lack of knowledge and understanding that is my issue and I don't think the knowledge and understanding really can be explained but experienced and with nano-tech and genetic engineering I can understand other's thought processes and integrate them into my own.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on February 27, 2019, 11:15:40 AM
Quote from: alienhand on February 27, 2019, 11:01:05 AM
I get what you mean about the dog.  Brings me back to my dog named max I ever had when I was a child.  That dog was the smartest and loyalest dog I ever had.  Maybe for that alone I guess life is worth living.
 
Supposedly with God, all things are possible.  Right now, I have major doubts.  I did go to church for a while and did what my pastor said when he said "to mediate on all things God."  I did for a while.  I thought and thought.  I asked others questions including yourself and him.  The deeper I went into the principles of Christanity the more I found that it made less and less sense.  It was all one big contradiction.  Instead of getting closer to God I went away.  So, I have doubts.   And, based upon the hypocrisy in many of the churches I guess the whole thing lost it's taste.  I desired to get close to God I wanted to get close but on the day of my Baptism the only thing I got was a good cool down in their pool while everyone else was yipping for joy for the holy spirit.  For example, it makes no sense that Jesus died on the cross  for my sins when he was and is God and God is eternal and forever.  How did he die on the cross?  Stuff like that made me drift away.  My faith was chipped away bit by bit when I followed my pastor's instructions.  Or did I ever have the faith as everyone understood it?  I don't know.

Well, I've always felt disconnected from everyone and everything no matter what group I hung or associated with from Christians to druggies to jews to whites to blacks to mexicans.  For me, it's like I'm in a movie in which I'm but an observer.  It's always been that way for me.
 
I do indeed and I don't believe a number of issues are caused by society but caused by my Autism plus my personality and other things about myself.  If  nano-tech or genetic engineering could help me with a number of my issues or make me better I would do it.

I'm glad you could find the positives.  I tried to do so but alas poor yoric I could not so why not give myself the positives with future genetic engineering or nano-tech?

I will agree they tell a lot of lies but even a broken clock is right twice.

They have different perspectives then I do.  I'm at the end of where I can go with my brain neurology.  For me to go further, I need to grasp their thought processes and what makes them work sort of knowing what makes a computer work.  With nano-tech and genetic engineering I think this is possible.  The brain is like a computer and with nano-tech and genetic engineering we could copy and replicate neurons thereby understanding each other's thought processes.

And, I don't understand why one is not allowed to blame others no matter the case.  And, it is my neurology that is the issue for this lack of understanding. I need to go beyond my neurology.   Your brain and neurology allows you this understanding.  I need that thought process.  With genetic engineering and nano-tech with access to other's using nano-tech and genetic engineering I can access this thought process.

It is my lack of knowledge and understanding that is my issue and I don't think the knowledge and understanding really can be explained but experienced and with nano-tech and genetic engineering I can understand other's thought processes and integrate them into my own.
Nano tech? Not gonna happen in your lifetime. Give it up, you have but two options in life, stay in your bubble and remain ignorant, or get out and make mistakes like everyone else did growing up, that's how one learns.
It is obvious that you are your own worst enemy when it comes to experiencing life. You are afraid of what others think of you. So fuckin what!
No one is normal, they all have their own issues, know that going in and you have a shield in your hand.

Quit being a coward and grow up!
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on February 27, 2019, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2019, 11:15:40 AM
Nano tech? Not gonna happen in your lifetime.

Maybe!  Maybe not!  You're probably right.   

Quote from: Solar on February 27, 2019, 11:15:40 AM
Give it up, you have but two options in life, stay in your bubble and remain ignorant, or get out and make mistakes like everyone else did growing up, that's how one learns.
It is obvious that you are your own worst enemy when it comes to experiencing life. You are afraid of what others think of you. So fuckin what!
No one is normal, they all have their own issues, know that going in and you have a shield in your hand.

Quit being a coward and grow up!

I've done what you suggested.  So has others like myself including Jonathan Mitchell.

https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2009/08/dick-durbins-quick-fix-for-autistic.html
https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2017/11/ive-received-first-social-security.html
https://autismgadfly.blogspot.com/2017/06/gadfly-approved-for-retirement-social.html

It doesn't work.  For the most part, we learn little to nothing and even if we understand what we do wrong in given situations it doesn't mean we can make the corrections necessary.  I know exactly where he is coming from. I had sort of a warehouse type job.  It didn't work.  I was too slow and I still have the email from them years back detailing exactly why they let me go. 

The job before that I was let go as well due to various issues which require another lengthy explanation to get into. 

The real honest and sad truth that I came to this year based upon my experiences, other's experiences, what employers say themselves and the data out there for employment retention for autistic folks and those with disabilities in general is the bulk of those like myself is simply to disabled for employment.  I was with the neurodiversity movement for a while until I saw those even lower functioning then me and even those who were higher functioning then me still had all sorts of problems including pragmatics and executive functioning issues.   I did try like many others before me and many will try after me.  With rare exception most of us like myself end up on SSDI and back into our parents house. 

I did believe in myself for a while and I forced myself to believe in myself even what I did know and understood at the age of 18-19.  I'm always told to follow my instincts and follow my gut.  Well even then my very gut told me and screamed at me to just go on SSDI and not even go to college at all. 

Truth is if I had a do over in my life I would have just went ahead and claimed SSDI and been done with it sooner.  But, I listened to those like yourself surrounding who told me I'm being to negative, quit being hard on yourself, yadda, yadda, yadda.  Solar, you're not the first one who has said all of this to me.  But, in the back of my mind I always knew that something was wrong.  No psychologist told me or convinced me of this.  I came to my own conclusions with the strengths I do have.  No one has thought for me and no leftist has brainwashed me. 

I leave you with Kenny Roger's Song which contradict's Robert Service's stupid poem. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hx4gdlfamo

You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away and know when to run. 
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on February 27, 2019, 10:36:29 PM
Solar, I'm going to give you the truth.  It makes absolutely no fucking sense to tell me to quit blaming others for my failures at the exact same time telling me one is guaranteed nothing in life.   When you tell me to quit blaming others it says I'm the sole person responsible and in control of my outcomes.  If this was surely then there should be a correct way for anyone to go and follow.   Yet, one is guaranteed nothing in life which means there is no algorithm that guarantees anything.  How are the failures solely my fault?  How do I control my own outcomes and how is everything solely my fault and responsibility if one is guaranteed nothing in life?

Supposedly, these two maxims are truths of life.  When looked at together side by side in a systemic way it makes no sense.  It is our society that lives by these two maxims amongst others.  How exactly the captain of my own ship? 
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2019, 06:12:14 AM
I read both posts, and all I got was "Life's Not Fair, I quit!"

So not only are you a lazy coward, but a quitter as well.

Go ahead, give up, but if I hear one more whiny question out of you, you're out of here. Because, by your quitting the job of productive member of society, you lose the privilege of participating in this forum.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on February 28, 2019, 10:58:14 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 28, 2019, 06:12:14 AM
I read both posts, and all I got was "Life's Not Fair, I quit!"

So not only are you a lazy coward, but a quitter as well.

Go ahead, give up, but if I hear one more whiny question out of you, you're out of here. Because, by your quitting the job of productive member of society, you lose the privilege of participating in this forum.

Fuck Society!  Fuck Society in which honesty is against its standards.  Fuck Society that forces square pegs into round holes.  Fuck Society that forces some to pretend to be something one is not. Fuck Society that forces eye contact when one can't.  Fuck Society that says be yourself when it is not true whatsoever.  Fuck Society that lies and contradicts itself all the time.

Solar, some of the shit you say comes across like you've taken to much meth or ate to many shrooms. 
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on March 01, 2019, 01:54:15 AM
This is what I would like to say to those who truthfully understand autism spectrum disorders and to families of those with ASDs.  As you all see, this man Solar says the most bizarre things and he's going to get ready to ban me soon. One can look through what he says on my posts and about me for example.   For one, he says one should take a job, any damned job.  If one chose to be a contract killer which is both illegal and immoral he would be the 1st one to have that guy fry.  Yet, he also says that no job should be beneath him and if he refused to do the job of a contract killer b/c Solar would say that "one is to good for this job."  This is one example of how Solar's values and belief system contradicts itself.

Another thing, he demands that I accept that life is unfair yet he wants his own brand of fairness.  What it comes down to is he doesn't want to pay welfare from his own tax dollars.  He sees this as unfair b/c he sees this as theft and theft to him is unfair.  This is another way Solar contradicts himself and the way he communicates makes 0% sense.  He demands I accept the unfairness of life yet demands the world brandish his own version of fairness.  This is another way personal responsibility advocates contradict themselves.

He has this belief that one's failures are caused by themselves and their own choices just like many conservatives do.  Yet, he believes and accepts as truth that life is unfair and on one is guaranteed anything at all in life.  Both of these maxims that Solar and other conservatives accept as true don't hold up together.  One has to be false and the other has to be true or both must be false.  To have both be true is a logical contradiction.  Yet, Solar persists in this thinking no matter what evidence or reasoning presented that shows why it is wrong.

Solar and other conservatives demand people demand not only faith or trust in a God in which his very attributes are riddled with contradictions and paradoxes they demand we accept their very interpretation of what this God is supposed to be and that they're his prophets and representatives without any confirmation that they are.  But what Solar and others don't get is that others have faith in their gods and that their way is correct even Muslims.   The problem with faith is how exactly do we sort out the wheat from the chaff?  How do we tell truth from error?  Those like Solar never really provide an answer that makes any sort of sense.   Yet, I'm as an autistic person who is riddled with sin plus comprehension issues and pragmatic issues is supposed to be able to suss out what is true or not.  If this is truthfully God then God has impossible demands.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on March 01, 2019, 08:09:06 AM
Quote from: alienhand on March 01, 2019, 01:54:15 AM
This is what I would like to say to those who truthfully understand autism spectrum disorders and to families of those with ASDs.  As you all see, this man Solar says the most bizarre things and he's going to get ready to ban me soon. One can look through what he says on my posts and about me for example.   For one, he says one should take a job, any damned job.  If one chose to be a contract killer which is both illegal and immoral he would be the 1st one to have that guy fry.  Yet, he also says that no job should be beneath him and if he refused to do the job of a contract killer b/c Solar would say that "one is to good for this job."  This is one example of how Solar's values and belief system contradicts itself.

Another thing, he demands that I accept that life is unfair yet he wants his own brand of fairness.  What it comes down to is he doesn't want to pay welfare from his own tax dollars.  He sees this as unfair b/c he sees this as theft and theft to him is unfair.  This is another way Solar contradicts himself and the way he communicates makes 0% sense.  He demands I accept the unfairness of life yet demands the world brandish his own version of fairness.  This is another way personal responsibility advocates contradict themselves.

He has this belief that one's failures are caused by themselves and their own choices just like many conservatives do.  Yet, he believes and accepts as truth that life is unfair and on one is guaranteed anything at all in life.  Both of these maxims that Solar and other conservatives accept as true don't hold up together.  One has to be false and the other has to be true or both must be false.  To have both be true is a logical contradiction.  Yet, Solar persists in this thinking no matter what evidence or reasoning presented that shows why it is wrong.

Solar and other conservatives demand people demand not only faith or trust in a God in which his very attributes are riddled with contradictions and paradoxes they demand we accept their very interpretation of what this God is supposed to be and that they're his prophets and representatives without any confirmation that they are.  But what Solar and others don't get is that others have faith in their gods and that their way is correct even Muslims.   The problem with faith is how exactly do we sort out the wheat from the chaff?  How do we tell truth from error?  Those like Solar never really provide an answer that makes any sort of sense.   Yet, I'm as an autistic person who is riddled with sin plus comprehension issues and pragmatic issues is supposed to be able to suss out what is true or not.  If this is truthfully God then God has impossible demands.
Amazing! Both of your posts scream ignorance as well as stupidity, and why is that? Because you're a damned coward, you are so afraid of what others think about you, that you refuse to get out and make mistakes you will learn from.
This "Hit-man" BS is amazing, you can't take a job that is already illegal, that is, unless you have been fantasizing about the roll, which you have brought upon a few occasions. Hmmmm...You do know, authorities monitor all text on the web, you just managed to put yourself on their radar.
There is but one avenue for you, get the fuck out of your bubble and fail, fail again and again, this is how one learns, but your fear traps you in your own depressed mind.

I don't ban people for being stupid, but I have warned you about making threads all about you, have I not? And what the fuck did you do? Make a thread all about you, you self centered little fuck!
You made your nest, now live in it! You don't want to work because you're afraid of failure, just imagine if everyone shared your fears, where would humanity be, would we even exist?
Point is, you are the only one that can answer your innocuous questions, you are the only one that can conquer your fears.
You deserve the life you live, all because you refuse to participate in society, so suck it!
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on March 01, 2019, 09:12:51 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 01, 2019, 08:09:06 AM
Amazing! Both of your posts scream ignorance as well as stupidity, and why is that? Because you're a damned coward, you are so afraid of what others think about you, that you refuse to get out and make mistakes you will learn from.
This "Hit-man" BS is amazing, you can't take a job that is already illegal, that is, unless you have been fantasizing about the roll, which you have brought upon a few occasions. Hmmmm...You do know, authorities monitor all text on the web, you just managed to put yourself on their radar.

Solar, I didn't say any damned job.  You did.   Geeze Louise! 

Now you're saying people can't take a job that is illegal?  Huh!  Now, you're really not making sense.   If that's not possible then how do people break laws?  Free will doesn't exist now?  Unless....... Holy fuck I get what you're saying now.  Any damned job implies any damned legal job.  The qualifier was implied.  Which means you can't take illegal jobs means one is not allowed to and doesn't involve free will and choice.   I misread your context and intent.  Sorry Solar. :blush:

Quote from: Solar on March 01, 2019, 08:09:06 AM
There is but one avenue for you, get the fuck out of your bubble and fail, fail again and again, this is how one learns, but your fear traps you in your own depressed mind.

I see.   I'm reading what you're saying.  In other words what you're telling me is some things can't be taught but must be experienced for one self?

Quote from: Solar on March 01, 2019, 08:09:06 AM

I don't ban people for being stupid, but I have warned you about making threads all about you, have I not? And what the fuck did you do? Make a thread all about you, you self centered little fuck!

Sorry Solar!
Quote from: Solar on March 01, 2019, 08:09:06 AM
You made your nest, now live in it! You don't want to work because you're afraid of failure, just imagine if everyone shared your fears, where would humanity be, would we even exist?

I see.  Experience then is a teacher.  I think I get it.

Quote from: Solar on March 01, 2019, 08:09:06 AM
Point is, you are the only one that can answer your innocuous questions, you are the only one that can conquer your fears.
You deserve the life you live, all because you refuse to participate in society, so suck it!

Maybe you're right!  And, maybe any answer I come up with is meant for me alone.

Ok Solar, I promise from this point on I won't bring myself up, my issues or anything about myself unless it is relevant to the topic.

Do you forgive my trespasses on your forum?
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on March 02, 2019, 07:23:59 PM
I think I get your message now Solar.  Others expect me to do things and learn things through trial and error.  In other words, one is expected to learn through one's experiences, fuck-ups and experiences.  This is what others expect.  I didn't realize or even know this until a couple of days or so ago.  I have to fuck up and learn through experience what works for me.  Why was I so fucking blind to this concept that most people know?   I feel so foolish now.  Sorry dude!
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on March 02, 2019, 07:42:41 PM
Quote from: alienhand on March 02, 2019, 07:23:59 PM
I think I get your message now Solar.  Others expect me to do things and learn things through trial and error.  In other words, one is expected to learn through one's experiences, fuck-ups and experiences.  This is what others expect.  I didn't realize or even know this until a couple of days or so ago.  I have to fuck up and learn through experience what works for me.  Why was I so fucking blind to this concept that most people know?   I feel so foolish now.  Sorry dude!
Yep, we learn by making mistakes. The best teacher in the world, Life and living it.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on March 02, 2019, 08:10:37 PM
Quote from: Solar on March 02, 2019, 07:42:41 PM
Yep, we learn by making mistakes. The best teacher in the world, Life and living it.

I didn't know this and I didn't know others saw it this way.
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: Solar on March 03, 2019, 06:48:47 AM
Quote from: alienhand on March 02, 2019, 08:10:37 PM
I didn't know this and I didn't know others saw it this way.
When you realize your life is an illusion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNIbkVf_Lko
Title: Re: Creationism
Post by: alienhand on March 03, 2019, 08:25:17 AM
Quote from: Solar on March 03, 2019, 06:48:47 AM
When you realize your life is an illusion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNIbkVf_Lko

fascinating