Should there be laws regarding drones?

From all the research I've done, the answer is no, BUT!
Yes, there is a but , as in exceptions. Not that any of these are legal either, but I can't see any court in the land convicting you for protecting your family.

For instance. Worrying livestock is definitely illegal behavior, and warrants use of force.
Following your children around your property, taking pictures of your children in their Birthday suits.
Where I live, the area is wide open forest, and to have a drone hovering overhead is a definite invasion of privacy.

I dare the owner to confront me, assuming he's stupid enough to show his face, let him call the Sheriff.
"Drone...What drone officer"?

If my neighbor asks if he can fly his drone over my place first, I'd have no issue, but for one to arrive out of the blue, I'm definitely going to assume they're casing my place for nefarious reasons.


So what do you think?

Food for thought.

Golly, ya think they might have a photo of me aiming a gun at the drone, just before it shut off sending? Nah. Nothing obvious like that. No way they can narrow it down to the transmitter range of the drone to start a door-to-door to pin down who I am. (If not log the GPS at the time it went down?)

Quote from: quiller on April 15, 2015, 09:26:40 PM
Golly, ya think they might have a photo of me aiming a gun at the drone, just before it shut off sending? Nah. Nothing obvious like that. No way they can narrow it down to the transmitter range of the drone to start a door-to-door to pin down who I am. (If not log the GPS at the time it went down?)

"I Shot an Arrow into the Air, and Where it Lands I Know Not Where ..."   or something like that. 

Blast it!!! And, if anyone asks...suggest they check in Iran....that is where most wayward drones wind up! And, since O-Bumma says they are our pals now, I am sure they will hand it back over...no problems.

Just protecting the family, officer....

Quote from: Solar on April 16, 2015, 08:35:05 PM
Just protecting the family, officer....

"Drone...What drone officer"?

Quote from: quiller on April 15, 2015, 09:26:40 PM
Golly, ya think they might have a photo of me aiming a gun at the drone, just before it shut off sending? Nah. Nothing obvious like that. No way they can narrow it down to the transmitter range of the drone to start a door-to-door to pin down who I am. (If not log the GPS at the time it went down?)

You crack me up. If you weren't a Michigander....

There is a school of legal thought that holds that a property owner actually owns everything within the vertical planes of his/her property lines. It's the sort of thing that comes up in disputes over tree limbs and such. "It's my tree!" "Yeah, but your tree's limbs are hanging over my property line, and they're ruining my life, so I have the right to cut them down, and it's your fault!"

Would this theory apply to drones, or any other airborne things (birds come to mind) that venture within those vertical planes?

Quote from: TboneAgain on April 23, 2015, 11:57:21 PM
You crack me up. If you weren't a Michigander....

I say that very thing about Michael Moore, but you were saying....? 

QuoteThere is a school of legal thought that holds that a property owner actually owns everything within the vertical planes of his/her property lines. It's the sort of thing that comes up in disputes over tree limbs and such. "It's my tree!" "Yeah, but your tree's limbs are hanging over my property line, and they're ruining my life, so I have the right to cut them down, and it's your fault!"

Would this theory apply to drones, or any other airborne things (birds come to mind) that venture within those vertical planes?

The government owns the airspace. (They own everything else, just ask the IRS.) They are flying over your property for law enforcement purposes. You'd have to be some sort of criminal to object to law enforcement, wouldn't you? And what's that radar jammer doing on your back porch, confusing our GPS units?..... Just for that, your house is theirs as well.

Quote from: quiller on April 24, 2015, 05:31:49 AM
I say that very thing about Michael Moore, but you were saying....? 
The government owns the airspace. (They own everything else, just ask the IRS.) They are flying over your property for law enforcement purposes. You'd have to be some sort of criminal to object to law enforcement, wouldn't you? And what's that radar jammer doing on your back porch, confusing our GPS units?..... Just for that, your house is theirs as well.

I've a feeling the law will fall along the "Anything above 400' " belongs under FAA jurisdiction, under that is up to State local authorities.
If a plane flies under 400' over your house, I think they consider that some sort of violation, I could be wrong, but last time I flew over my area, the pilot stated he could only fly so low, due to FAA regs.

So it only seems logical, that those remaining 400' will be designated a flight free zone over private property unless permission is granted.. Anyway, that's where I think they will settle.
I can see it now, designated "Drone Zones". Lie those free speech zones the govt tried to set up.

Quote from: Solar on April 24, 2015, 06:45:21 AM
I've a feeling the law will fall along the "Anything above 400' " belongs under FAA jurisdiction, under that is up to State local authorities.
If a plane flies under 400' over your house, I think they consider that some sort of violation, I could be wrong, but last time I flew over my area, the pilot stated he could only fly so low, due to FAA regs.

So it only seems logical, that those remaining 400' will be designated a flight free zone over private property unless permission is granted.. Anyway, that's where I think they will settle.
I can see it now, designated "Drone Zones". Lie those free speech zones the govt tried to set up.

Rules for PRIVATELY-OWNED drones will probably be so restrictive that no property owner can send one (or more) of them up --- to check to see if the POLICE drone is higher than the required minimum, or is otherwise obeying the law. To even attempt to verify will be enough for the cops to shoot your drone down...and without your drone to disprove them...............

Quote from: quiller on April 24, 2015, 07:26:10 AM
Rules for PRIVATELY-OWNED drones will probably be so restrictive that no property owner can send one (or more) of them up --- to check to see if the POLICE drone is higher than the required minimum, or is otherwise obeying the law. To even attempt to verify will be enough for the cops to shoot your drone down...and without your drone to disprove them...............

Absolutely! The future of Govt restriction over Liberties is inevitable.

Quote from: Solar on April 24, 2015, 06:45:21 AM
I've a feeling the law will fall along the "Anything above 400' " belongs under FAA jurisdiction, under that is up to State local authorities.

On the news this morning, an airliner reported a drone at 200' below it.  The airliner was at 1200'.  I assume it was coming in for a landing or take off at that altitude. 

One of these days we're going to have a real tragedy happen involving these drones.

HONOLULU (AP) — A park ranger used a Taser on a man flying a drone over a lake of lava at Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, then arrested the man in front of several hundred people after telling him that flying an unmanned aircraft at a national park is prohibited.

Crowds have been flocking to an overlook area at the park to watch a steadily rising lava lake at the summit of Kilauea volcano.

Travis Ray Sanders brought his family to the park on Saturday evening to record the lava with his drone and didn't realize the man yelling at him to bring it down was a ranger, he told Hawaii News Now.

"He sounded very angry, confrontational — like he wanted to fight — and I didn't really want to stick around for it so I just told him, 'I don't have ID and I'm leaving," Sanders told the Honolulu news station.

The ranger asked Sanders three times to bring the drone down, and Sanders eventually brought it down, park spokeswoman Jessica Ferracane told The Associated Press Tuesday.

"The ranger identified himself and approached the individual, who refused to identify himself," Ferracane said.

Because Sanders fled and was near the edge of the caldera rim — where there's a 500-foot drop — the ranger deployed a Taser, she said.

Another visitor to the park, Randy Horne, was setting up his camera and tripod at the overlook when he heard a commotion. He heard someone yell stop and when he turned around, he saw the ranger pull out a stun gun. He saw the weapon's "sparkly, glowing blue" wires attached to a man on the ground.

"I really didn't see there was any severe threat going on," Horne, of Honokaa, Hawaii, told the AP. "In my opinion, I thought it was a severe overreaction."

Horne watched as Sanders was handcuffed, checked by paramedics and then put into a police car.
http://news.yahoo.com/ranger-uses-stun-gun-man-operating-drone-over-215856601.html

Quote from: quiller on April 24, 2015, 05:31:49 AM
I say that very thing about Michael Moore, but you were saying....? 
The government owns the airspace. (They own everything else, just ask the IRS.) They are flying over your property for law enforcement purposes. You'd have to be some sort of criminal to object to law enforcement, wouldn't you? And what's that radar jammer doing on your back porch, confusing our GPS units?..... Just for that, your house is theirs as well.

It's just a matter of time before some college kid figures out how to jam a drone controller.
I'm thinking maybe laser or microwave, just off the top. You'd have to be careful not to screw up a passenger liner while perfecting the device. Ideally, you would take over the controller with your own, more powerful signal.