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Title: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on February 06, 2013, 07:53:53 PM
So far I hate it and it has only been 24 hours. Apparently I am not the only one. Ironically While I was on hold with tech support they played music. One song over and over again. The song? "The Thrill is Gone" By BB King...
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Solar on February 06, 2013, 08:04:37 PM
 :laugh: Muzak...

I understand 8 to be designed more for apps, like sinking your phone, cable TV the cloud, music etc, stuff the average user isn't interested in, most people use their phone for most of that crap, but Windows was losing Mkt share in a huge way and tried to be everything to everyone.
I have Win 7, it's alright, but I still think Win 98 was the last good OS they developed, now Win 7 etc, is about as user friendly as a case of jock itch.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: walkstall on February 06, 2013, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 06, 2013, 07:53:53 PM
So far I hate it and it has only been 24 hours. Apparently I am not the only one. Ironically While I was on hold with tech support they played music. One song over and over again. The song? "The Thrill is Gone" By BB King...

Check this out Boo and see if it will help.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2023340/ultimate-windows-8-starter-guide-must-know-tips-apps-and-utilities.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2023340/ultimate-windows-8-starter-guide-must-know-tips-apps-and-utilities.html)
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: taxed on February 07, 2013, 11:50:19 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 06, 2013, 07:53:53 PM
So far I hate it and it has only been 24 hours. Apparently I am not the only one. Ironically While I was on hold with tech support they played music. One song over and over again. The song? "The Thrill is Gone" By BB King...

You gotta watch this video:
http://www.iclarified.com/26404/evaluation-finds-windows-8-to-be-unusable-and-even-userhostile-video (http://www.iclarified.com/26404/evaluation-finds-windows-8-to-be-unusable-and-even-userhostile-video)
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Solar on February 07, 2013, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: taxed on February 07, 2013, 11:50:19 AM
You gotta watch this video:
http://www.iclarified.com/26404/evaluation-finds-windows-8-to-be-unusable-and-even-userhostile-video (http://www.iclarified.com/26404/evaluation-finds-windows-8-to-be-unusable-and-even-userhostile-video)
He nailed it perfectly, Windows has been on this path since it's inception, every successive version, loses continuity to the first version.
This is why I say 98 was the last user friendly version made, after that, they started hiding everything, and now it appears they even hid Windows under some grand experiment.
I was going to buy Toy a new PC, now it appears I either wait, or check with Dell and see if they have any Win 7 refurbished models.

Great find my froiend! :thumbup:
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: taxed on February 07, 2013, 12:41:00 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 07, 2013, 12:38:43 PM
He nailed it perfectly, Windows has been on this path since it's inception, every successive version, loses continuity to the first version.
This is why I say 98 was the last user friendly version made, after that, they started hiding everything, and now it appears they even hid Windows under some grand experiment.
I was going to buy Toy a new PC, now it appears I either wait, or check with Dell and see if they have any Win 7 refurbished models.

Great find my froiend! :thumbup:

It is amazing they still have their market share.

Have you looked at Macbooks at all?
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Solar on February 07, 2013, 12:55:18 PM
Quote from: taxed on February 07, 2013, 12:41:00 PM
It is amazing they still have their market share.

Have you looked at Macbooks at all?
I have no use for Mac.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: walkstall on February 07, 2013, 01:15:10 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 07, 2013, 12:38:43 PM
He nailed it perfectly, Windows has been on this path since it's inception, every successive version, loses continuity to the first version.
This is why I say 98 was the last user friendly version  made, after that, they started hiding everything, and now it appears they even hid Windows under some grand experiment.
I was going to buy Toy a new PC, now it appears I either wait, or check with Dell and see if they have any Win 7 refurbished models.

Great find my froiend! :thumbup:

I have a 98 running yet as a stand alone with the MS Office on it yet.   I love it!
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Solar on February 07, 2013, 01:24:18 PM
Quote from: walkstall on February 07, 2013, 01:15:10 PM
I have a 98 running yet as a stand alone with the MS Office on it yet.   I love it!
I wish I still had a machine running it, but sadly, many of today's progs don't support it.
Can anyone say "Planned Obsolescence"?
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Yawn on February 07, 2013, 06:09:46 PM
I'm using XP but need a new laptop. I DON'T want 8.  I'll look for a used 7 until they replace 8.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: taxed on February 07, 2013, 07:05:22 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 07, 2013, 12:38:43 PM
He nailed it perfectly, Windows has been on this path since it's inception, every successive version, loses continuity to the first version.
This is why I say 98 was the last user friendly version made, after that, they started hiding everything, and now it appears they even hid Windows under some grand experiment.
I was going to buy Toy a new PC, now it appears I either wait, or check with Dell and see if they have any Win 7 refurbished models.

Great find my froiend! :thumbup:

What really got me was how much passion he had on this to produce that video!
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Solar on February 07, 2013, 07:36:05 PM
Quote from: taxed on February 07, 2013, 07:05:22 PM
What really got me was how much passion he had on this to produce that video!
Not to mention, funny.
He really did nail the problem with Windows, it's like if Ford redesigned the car every year, one year it has a key start and steering wheel, the next year, a joystick and peddle power, the following year, you steer with your feet and start it with a cell phone.
The only consistency has been the name Windows and ...well, the name, that's about it, every version requires a serious learning curve, one I will not be paying for until they fix that crap.

I have Win 7, yeah, I got used to it, but honestly, trying to get into the meat and potatoes of making it mine, is like a freakin Easter egg hunt in a land mine, you may find a couple, but you will probably create a disaster in the process.

Win 98 was so was to navigate, you could easily find all your progs, with W7 I'm still trying to find half the crap installed, they even changed the default to where it puts shit, and I still haven't found a road map for that.

Microsoft could make a billion if they were to re release Win 98, I have no doubt.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: taxed on February 07, 2013, 08:34:29 PM
Quote from: Solar on February 07, 2013, 07:36:05 PM
Not to mention, funny.
He really did nail the problem with Windows, it's like if Ford redesigned the car every year, one year it has a key start and steering wheel, the next year, a joystick and peddle power, the following year, you steer with your feet and start it with a cell phone.
The only consistency has been the name Windows and ...well, the name, that's about it, every version requires a serious learning curve, one I will not be paying for until they fix that crap.

I have Win 7, yeah, I got used to it, but honestly, trying to get into the meat and potatoes of making it mine, is like a freakin Easter egg hunt in a land mine, you may find a couple, but you will probably create a disaster in the process.

Win 98 was so was to navigate, you could easily find all your progs, with W7 I'm still trying to find half the crap installed, they even changed the default to where it puts shit, and I still haven't found a road map for that.

Microsoft could make a billion if they were to re release Win 98, I have no doubt.

Yeah, I don't remember having UI issues with 95, 98, and XP.  Stuff crashed a lot, but hey, that's Windows.  This W8 thing blows my mind.  I've used W7 a few times and I just couldn't do it.  Once you get used to it it's fine, but my brain would just lock up and I'd punch the screen.

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m18rc78B0v1r73uv9.jpg&hash=f1aa9c9f51ab9b1e5e8ef7afd6218b0f8f7ab1e3)
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Solar on February 07, 2013, 08:54:07 PM
Quote from: taxed on February 07, 2013, 08:34:29 PM
Yeah, I don't remember having UI issues with 95, 98, and XP.  Stuff crashed a lot, but hey, that's Windows.  This W8 thing blows my mind.  I've used W7 a few times and I just couldn't do it.  Once you get used to it it's fine, but my brain would just lock up and I'd punch the screen.

(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m18rc78B0v1r73uv9.jpg&hash=f1aa9c9f51ab9b1e5e8ef7afd6218b0f8f7ab1e3)
W7 is fine for surfing the web, it's like trying to buy a stripped down pick up truck, but all they offer is Boeing 747s without wings.
It's too big to be practical, but if I ever decide to take lessons, I'll be the biggest broken down truck on the road. :laugh:
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on February 08, 2013, 06:54:21 PM
Quote from: taxed on February 07, 2013, 11:50:19 AM
You gotta watch this video:
http://www.iclarified.com/26404/evaluation-finds-windows-8-to-be-unusable-and-even-userhostile-video (http://www.iclarified.com/26404/evaluation-finds-windows-8-to-be-unusable-and-even-userhostile-video)

Everything he said I have encountered. If anyone needs to know the weather forecast let me know. It pops up fullscreen at random. Several times an hour. I should have known I was in for a hard time when tech support finished helping me with my initial problem they said they were sending a manual to my email that would "explain" Windows 8.
I have had the computer for 3 days and have only now figured out how to shut it down in under four steps.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: taxed on February 08, 2013, 08:09:53 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 08, 2013, 06:54:21 PM
Everything he said I have encountered. If anyone needs to know the weather forecast let me know. It pops up fullscreen at random. Several times an hour. I should have known I was in for a hard time when tech support finished helping me with my initial problem they said they were sending a manual to my email that would "explain" Windows 8.
I have had the computer for 3 days and have only now figured out how to shut it down in under four steps.

Wow man.  It really is that bad?  How did they let that happen.......
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: walkstall on February 08, 2013, 08:11:20 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 08, 2013, 06:54:21 PM
Everything he said I have encountered. If anyone needs to know the weather forecast let me know. It pops up fullscreen at random. Several times an hour. I should have known I was in for a hard time when tech support finished helping me with my initial problem they said they were sending a manual to my email that would "explain" Windows 8.
I have had the computer for 3 days and have only now figured out how to shut it down in under four steps.

Hmm...Did you try a 45?
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on February 08, 2013, 11:24:16 PM
Quote from: taxed on February 08, 2013, 08:09:53 PM
Wow man.  It really is that bad?  How did they let that happen.......

There is no "start" button where you can browse everything installed on the computer. You move the pointer to where the start button should be and a small icon appears that includes all your apps, programs..everything. Click on that and then you see a full screen of apps. Click on the desktop icon (you'll have no idea what that is unless someone tells you) and only then can you find pictures, get on the internet etc. BTW, While I was typing this the time in large typeface popped up twice as well as several icons I have yet to identify.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: walkstall on February 08, 2013, 11:31:10 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 08, 2013, 11:24:16 PM
There is no "start" button where you can browse everything installed on the computer. You move the pointer to where the start button should be and a small icon appears that includes all your apps, programs..everything. Click on that and then you see a full screen of apps. Click on the desktop icon (you'll have no idea what that is unless someone tells you) and only then can you find pictures, get on the internet etc. BTW, While I was typing this the time in large typeface popped up twice as well as several icons I have yet to identify.

I think it is a Ford Edsel.   :lol:
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: taxed on February 08, 2013, 11:42:56 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 08, 2013, 11:24:16 PM
There is no "start" button where you can browse everything installed on the computer. You move the pointer to where the start button should be and a small icon appears that includes all your apps, programs..everything. Click on that and then you see a full screen of apps. Click on the desktop icon (you'll have no idea what that is unless someone tells you) and only then can you find pictures, get on the internet etc. BTW, While I was typing this the time in large typeface popped up twice as well as several icons I have yet to identify.

It's like it's attacking you....
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Solar on February 09, 2013, 07:04:26 AM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on February 08, 2013, 11:24:16 PM
There is no "start" button where you can browse everything installed on the computer. You move the pointer to where the start button should be and a small icon appears that includes all your apps, programs..everything. Click on that and then you see a full screen of apps. Click on the desktop icon (you'll have no idea what that is unless someone tells you) and only then can you find pictures, get on the internet etc. BTW, While I was typing this the time in large typeface popped up twice as well as several icons I have yet to identify.
It's almost like a poorly designed game of "Find the Invisible Waldo" with traps and surprises along the way, and watch out for the evil weather predictor, he will stop you dead in your tracks.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: rich_t on February 10, 2013, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: taxed on February 08, 2013, 08:09:53 PM
Wow man.  It really is that bad?  How did they let that happen.......

Yes...  It is really that bad IMO.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: taxed on February 10, 2013, 03:10:01 PM
I'm trying to decide if these anecdotes are funny or sad...

http://www.hou2600.org/software/pre-review-of-windows-8/ (http://www.hou2600.org/software/pre-review-of-windows-8/)
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: walkstall on February 10, 2013, 03:19:41 PM
Quote from: taxed on February 10, 2013, 03:10:01 PM
I'm trying to decide if these anecdotes are funny or sad...

http://www.hou2600.org/software/pre-review-of-windows-8/ (http://www.hou2600.org/software/pre-review-of-windows-8/)

I don't think W/8 is a lemon it is a 100 % DUD!
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: taxed on February 10, 2013, 03:24:59 PM
Quote from: walkstall on February 10, 2013, 03:19:41 PM
I don't think W/8 is a lemon it is a 100 % DUD!

You can't even make lemonade with it!!!
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: rich_t on February 12, 2013, 03:19:50 PM
I've yet to talk to anyone that has actually used W8 that likes it.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on February 19, 2013, 05:08:00 PM
I thought I would update my nightmare. I like to download music and play it on my laptop. On every other laptop I just double click and the computer will open up that specific song on my my favorite media player. Not so with Windows 8. If I double click the Windows 8 opens up a phantom player (full screen) and begins playing the song with no controls (pause, replay, shuffle etc). I can't stop it. Even if I close everything. I have to restart the laptop to get out of it.

Awesome.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: Byteryder on February 23, 2013, 05:48:27 PM
There are so few "technicians" out there any more that OS's offer nothing more than application platforms.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: taxed on February 24, 2013, 09:42:09 AM
Quote from: Byteryder on February 23, 2013, 05:48:27 PM
There are so few "technicians" out there any more that OS's offer nothing more than application platforms.

You mean sys admins?
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: TboneAgain on March 09, 2013, 07:17:10 PM
Methinks Win 8 will quickly go the way of Vista. It is widely and deservedly hated. It's an operating system designed for those with no interest in operating a system. It's the software version of Big Brother.

I actually like 7. And of course, YES, 98 was the best, but that's so many generations ago, it'll never come back. (Actually, I ran WinMe for years and LOVED it, but I appreciated, unlike its detractors did, that is was just 98 with some very cute lipstick and earrings.)

Taxed has tried repeatedly to turn me on to Linus' thing, and I've tried. But DAMN! It's a lot prettier and smarter than it used to be, but I don't want to have to learn Commodore Basic all over again just to install a driver. I don't care for a developer community with the mentality that you SHOULD HAVE ALREADY LEARNED their non-English argot just to get your printer going. (Anyone who complains about poor hardware support from Microsoft should try any version of Linux -- you will come running back.) Also, I've learned the hard way that trying Linux -- at least Ubuntu 10 and 12.04 -- as a dual-boot OS on a Win XP system is a VERY bad idea. Linux makes unauthorized changes to Windows files, rendering them useless.

Linux may be a great thing as a sole OS, but I don't recommend it as part of a dual-boot system.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: taxed on March 11, 2013, 09:20:07 AM
Quote from: TboneAgain on March 09, 2013, 07:17:10 PM
Methinks Win 8 will quickly go the way of Vista. It is widely and deservedly hated. It's an operating system designed for those with no interest in operating a system. It's the software version of Big Brother.

I actually like 7. And of course, YES, 98 was the best, but that's so many generations ago, it'll never come back. (Actually, I ran WinMe for years and LOVED it, but I appreciated, unlike its detractors did, that is was just 98 with some very cute lipstick and earrings.)

Taxed has tried repeatedly to turn me on to Linus' thing, and I've tried. But DAMN! It's a lot prettier and smarter than it used to be, but I don't want to have to learn Commodore Basic all over again just to install a driver. I don't care for a developer community with the mentality that you SHOULD HAVE ALREADY LEARNED their non-English argot just to get your printer going. (Anyone who complains about poor hardware support from Microsoft should try any version of Linux -- you will come running back.) Also, I've learned the hard way that trying Linux -- at least Ubuntu 10 and 12.04 -- as a dual-boot OS on a Win XP system is a VERY bad idea. Linux makes unauthorized changes to Windows files, rendering them useless.

Linux may be a great thing as a sole OS, but I don't recommend it as part of a dual-boot system.

T, this is the most insane post I've ever read. What printer are you using that Ubuntu doesn't support?  Windows with better hardware support than Linux?  You have flipped your lid...
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: TboneAgain on March 19, 2013, 07:07:02 PM
Quote from: taxed on March 11, 2013, 09:20:07 AM
T, this is the most insane post I've ever read. What printer are you using that Ubuntu doesn't support?  Windows with better hardware support than Linux?  You have flipped your lid...

My lid was never too tightly screwed on the first place.  :tounge: :tounge: :tounge:

But please note that I did NOT complain about Linux's lack of support for any particular hardware. What I said was that INSTALLING the drivers requires a PhD in Linus Torvalds's deepest mental achievements. "Grub" to me is a little worm I use for fishing, and "Lilo" is what the supermarket mags call Lindsay Lohan.

In any case, it's less a matter of Linux supporting hardware than it is the opposite direction: hardware manufacturers supporting Linux. Many hardware makers never bother to sync their stuff with Linux, leaving the open-source community to pick up the slack. Good luck with that.

But you'll be gratified to know, sir, that I haven't stopped trying! Only last week, I tried to install Ubuntu 12.04 via DVD (yep, it's too fat for a mere CD now) onto an elderly PIII system with a 30GB zero-filled HD... and the whole thing collapsed into an endless loop, with the the hard drive humming blissfully along for more than an hour-and-a-half before I killed the power. (A subsequent install of WinXP Pro on the same machine succeeded without a hitch.)

I'll keep trying, man!
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: taxed on March 19, 2013, 09:51:05 PM
Quote from: TboneAgain on March 19, 2013, 07:07:02 PM
My lid was never too tightly screwed on the first place.  :tounge: :tounge: :tounge:
Mine is like one of those V-8 tabs... it keeps it air-tight, but easy to rip off...

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But please note that I did NOT complain about Linux's lack of support for any particular hardware. What I said was that INSTALLING the drivers requires a PhD in Linus Torvalds's deepest mental achievements. "Grub" to me is a little worm I use for fishing, and "Lilo" is what the supermarket mags call Lindsay Lohan.

In any case, it's less a matter of Linux supporting hardware than it is the opposite direction: hardware manufacturers supporting Linux. Many hardware makers never bother to sync their stuff with Linux, leaving the open-source community to pick up the slack. Good luck with that.
Have you tried proprietary products lately, like Windows 8?


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But you'll be gratified to know, sir, that I haven't stopped trying! Only last week, I tried to install Ubuntu 12.04 via DVD (yep, it's too fat for a mere CD now) onto an elderly PIII system with a 30GB zero-filled HD... and the whole thing collapsed into an endless loop, with the the hard drive humming blissfully along for more than an hour-and-a-half before I killed the power. (A subsequent install of WinXP Pro on the same machine succeeded without a hitch.)

I'll keep trying, man!
I guess you are having some strange issues with it..... Have you tried Xbuntu?  It requires a lot less resource...

I hear you about installing device drivers.  It happens, but it doesn't happen on any modern devices that I've run into.  Everything has been plug and play and works fine for me.  However, NVIDA cards occasionally cause me grief.
Title: Re: Anyone using Windows 8 and having issues?
Post by: TboneAgain on March 19, 2013, 10:44:39 PM
No, I haven't tried Xbuntu. I'm somewhat enamored with Ubuntu, mainly because I actually had it running on another machine and I really liked the GUI. Yeah, I know, that's not why you're "supposed" to like an OS, but there it is. Rampant rumors aside, I am human.

I'll give it a shot and see where it leads.

My goal, by the way, is to get my EXTREMELY low-income neighbor and friend set up with something that will give him internet access on a legacy machine. One problem I'm not sure how to solve is that his MagicJack phone service -- which just barely runs on the XP system he has now -- apparently won't run at all under any version of Linux. It's a pretty fair example of what I was talking about -- hardware, or in this case firmware, makers who don't/won't modify their product to work with Linux.