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440 Fukushimas?
« on: January 23, 2017, 10:49:55 AM »
The nuclear meltdown at Fukushima in 2011
will keep contaminating the world for thousands of years.
Just one meltdown was enough to contaminate the entire Pacific Ocean!
Radioactive materials from the meltdown
are now being detected off the coast of California.
The greatest danger to health is from
eating seafood from the contaminated area.
Cancer will occur at a substantially higher rate
among people who eat contaminated seafood,
and who live anywhere near Fukushima.

Much of Japan is contaminated above levels
that have led Russian officials to declare areas near Chernobyl
permanently uninhabitable.
Japan is trying to pretend that everything has gone back to normal.
This is partly due to Japanese culture,
which demands that everyone conform to whatever is called normal,
and partly to not scare away tourists from
coming to see the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo.

If just one meltdown is enough to cause all these problems,
consider how much of a global disaster it would be
to have 440 Fukushimas!

That actually could happen!
A coronal mass ejection from the Sun,
(like the one that happened in 2000, but was not pointed at the Earth)
or the EMP (electro magnetic pulse)
from nuclear bombs detonated above the atmosphere
by rogue states like Iran or North Korea
(http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/how-iran-can-destroy-america-with-just-three-nukes/)
would cause the permanent destruction of
the power generation system's generators and transformers.

The reactors at the world's 440 nuclear power stations
would automatically shut down,
and the backup cooling systems (powered by diesel motors)
would automatically turn on
to keep the reactors from melting down.
(Even when a reactor is shut down,
it still produces enough heat to cause a meltdown
if there is no cooling system functioning.
That's what happened at Fukushima.)

But, if the power grid is destroyed,
oil refineries would be unable to produce the fuel needed
to keep the backup cooling systems running,
and transportation systems would be unable to
transport diesel fuel to the power stations.
In a few weeks, the backup cooling systems would run out of fuel,
and all 440 nuclear power stations around the world
would melt down like Fukushima!

The whole world would become uninhabitable!

This problem can be fixed.
And it's not necessary to dismantle all the reactors.
Here's how to do it:
Install with every reactor  a small turbine/generator set
that would be powered by the heat
still given off by the shut down reactor.
Use the power generated by those sets
to control the reactors and provide additional cooling as needed.
Make the system redundant. 
Install four turbine/generator sets for each reactor,
such that any two of the four sets would provide enough cooling
to keep the reactor permanently safe.

Also, nuclear reactors are always housed in a containment vessel
that is easily strong enough to resist any kind of terrorist attack.
(Reinforced concrete, six feet thick.)
The control rooms and turbines and
generators and auxiliary cooling systems
are NOT housed in such sturdy structures.
All those systems are essential to
the safety and functioning of the reactors!
All those systems need to be hardened and protected!  NOW!
That should have been done years ago!
Certainly after 9-11!

Why do these things not get done?
Why is the whole world left exposed to such deadly dangers?
Because politicians think only in political terms.
If there's not some lobbying organization
bribing politicians to pass some legislation,
most politicians refuse to acknowledge that the issue even exists!
Most politicians are NOT public servants!
Most politicians do NOT care about the public's well-being, or even survival!
Most politicians care ONLY about keeping that lobbyist money flowing in!

Most politicians are NOT leaders!
Most politicians are just tools;
they are implements of someone else's agenda!
This might be the best thing about
the new leadership we now have in D.C.
Someone who actually thinks about what people need,
instead of just about how people can be manipulated to gain more power!
Such leaders are WAAAYYYY too rare in government!
We need to act NOW, while we have one of those rare leaders in power!
We need to get the nuclear power stations made safe!

And we need to get the power grid protected!
(http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/how-iran-can-destroy-america-with-just-three-nukes/)
That should have already been completed by now!
Five years ago, Congress held hearings about that threat
and about how to protect against it.
(Install giant vacuum tubes between every generator and transformer
and the power lines leading from them.)
For the cost of one B-2 bomber,
our whole country could have been made secure!

The House passed the SHIELD Act unanimously!
And then the Democrats blocked the Senate
from even considering the bill!

If ever there was a threat to public safety, this is it!
Fixing these problems now is easily affordable!
Waiting until these problems manifest
would cost humanity everything!
Protect the power grid,
and make the ENTIRE nuclear power stations secure!  NOW!

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Re: 440 Fukushimas?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2017, 08:11:14 PM »
TAKE ACTION !!!
Here's a place you can go to actually DO something about the threat to the power grid:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/secure-power-grid-and-nuclear-power-stations


Here's Congress' EMP Commission's 208 page report from 2013:
http://www.empcommission.org/docs/A2473-EMP_Commission-7MB.pdf

Here's a much shorter document that summarizes the above report:
http://www.csl.army.mil/usacsl/publications/IP_1-13-Critical_Electric_Infrastructure.pdf

Here's another report on the subject:
https://www.ferc.gov/industries/electric/indus-act/reliability/cybersecurity/ferc_executive_summary.pdf


William Forstchen has written two excellent books
about the effects an EMP attack would have on society.
Food and fuel delivery systems would be shut down.
People would become desperate enough to
raid one another's homes and kill for food!

Here's the link to William Forstchen's website: 
http://www.onesecondafter.com/

In one year, 90% of the population would be dead.
Countries like China and groups like ISIS would be delighted to
take the opportunity to invade the devastated USA.


Here's an annual conference on power grid resilience:
https://powergridresilience.iqpc.com/
The conference is for power industry professionals.
The price of admission is over $1000.


Here are some more web pages on the subject:

http://www.emcs.org/committees/tc05/reports/TC5Min10Draft.pdf

http://securethegrid.com/emp-technologys-worst-nightmare/

http://securethegrid.com/resources/how-to-fix-the-grid-2016-texas-grid-summit/

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/08/before-the-lights-go-out-a-survey-of-emp-preparedness-reveals-significant-shortfalls

http://solarstormconsultant.com/category/solar-storm/

http://www.futurescience.com/emp/emp-protection.html

http://www.bombshock.com/electronics/how-to-protect-yourself-from-electro-magnetic-pulse.html

http://debtreckoning.com/how-to-find-an-emp-proof-bug-out-vehicle/
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Re: 440 Fukushimas?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2017, 08:39:51 PM »
I'm curious, do you have any idea of what it will cost, just to bury lines? Just lines, not shielding and Faraday cages up the ass, but just burying lines alone?
There's a reason utility Co's went overhead with power in the first place, cost. I won't even mention what it would cost to bury the lines that run from Mexico to Canada, or the time involved.
Not to mention areas of solid rock, creeks, and rivers
Believe me, it would be a Hell of a lot cheaper if cities do the bare minimum first in shielding, and every customer would be responsible for their own shit, but what you propose would most likely triple everyone's electricity bill, not to mention the cost of doing business at say, a minimart.
Yes, everything you purchase will have a surcharge tacked on.
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Re: 440 Fukushimas?
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2017, 09:01:17 AM »
I'm curious, do you have any idea of what it will cost, just to bury lines? Just lines, not shielding and Faraday cages up the ass, but just burying lines alone?
There's a reason utility Co's went overhead with power in the first place, cost. I won't even mention what it would cost to bury the lines that run from Mexico to Canada, or the time involved.
Not to mention areas of solid rock, creeks, and rivers
Believe me, it would be a Hell of a lot cheaper if cities do the bare minimum first in shielding, and every customer would be responsible for their own shit, but what you propose would most likely triple everyone's electricity bill, not to mention the cost of doing business at say, a minimart.
Yes, everything you purchase will have a surcharge tacked on.

The number that's being bandied about is two billion dollars.
What that would buy is protection of the generating stations and substations.
It would put a giant vacuum tube on every lead to every generator and transformer.
The generators  and huge transformers at the substations 
are the parts that are hardest to replace.
Even now, with no disruption to the infrastructure,
there is a three year waiting list to obtain one.

The SHIELD Act, as considered by Congress in 2013,
would not protect the smaller transformers
we all see mounted on utility poles.
It would probably be cheaper to stockpile them
and have them ready to replace.

I'm not sure that burying power lines
would protect them from EMP.
In fact, I'm pretty sure that if the soil is very dry,
burying them would do nothing to protect them from EMP.

The cost of protecting the ENTIRE power grid
would be a substantial expense.
The cost of NOT protecting the entire power grid
would be astronomical!
The cost would be a complete loss of civilization!
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Re: 440 Fukushimas?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2017, 09:54:33 AM »
The number that's being bandied about is two billion dollars.
Obviously pulled out of the air.

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What that would buy is protection of the generating stations and substations.
It would put a giant vacuum tube on every lead to every generator and transformer.
The generators  and huge transformers at the substations 
are the parts that are hardest to replace.
Even now, with no disruption to the infrastructure,
there is a three year waiting list to obtain one.
Not true, there is still the issue of surge on the lines, bypassing any breaker or fuse inline to the substation, lightning does this all the time.
Then there's still the issue of getting power to and from the substations.

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The SHIELD Act, as considered by Congress in 2013,
would not protect the smaller transformers
we all see mounted on utility poles.
It would probably be cheaper to stockpile them
and
 have them ready to replace.

I'm not sure that burying power lines
would protect them from EMP.
In fact, I'm pretty sure that if the soil is very dry,
burying them would do nothing to protect them from EMP.
The ground helps to buffer, but shielding the cables is what makes the difference, so new wires are going to be required.

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The cost of protecting the ENTIRE power grid
would be a substantial expense.
The cost of NOT protecting the entire power grid
would be astronomical!
The cost would be a complete loss of civilization!

Let's weigh our options, shall we? We protect the grid within, say a ten year time period, the staggering costs alone will kill the economy.
So what are the odds of a grid collapse? Well, if you consider an asteroid hitting the earth wiping out the grid, it's safe to say the grid is the least of our worries.
Let's say it's an EMP pulse blast from a nuke in the atmosphere? Well, that is an extremely low possibility due to the fact that any nation that launches against us knows we will destroy them 100 times over.
But let's take the most plausible scenario, a terrorist attack. Do we really need to redo the entire grid for an incident that at best, will effect 0000.01% of the population?

The best approach and cheapest approach would be to use small buried nuclear field generators, serviceable, only, every ten years with a life expectancy of 50 years at a fraction of the cost.
The generation stations are extremely cheap, they can run single neighborhoods or entire cities, depending on need.
Point being, each and everyone is an island of power and unaffected by the neighborhood next door.
They tried and proven.



https://phys.org/news/2008-11-mini-nuclear-power-homes.html
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Re: 440 Fukushimas?
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2017, 10:19:40 AM »
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Re: 440 Fukushimas?
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2017, 11:28:48 AM »
Let's say it's an EMP pulse blast from a nuke in the atmosphere? Well, that is an extremely low possibility due to the fact that any nation that launches against us knows we will destroy them 100 times over.

There are some really psycho dictators out there.
The regime in Iran actually could be willing to
have their entire nation be a suicide bomber to destroy the world.
In fact, their version of Islam actually calls for them to do that!

The best approach and cheapest approach would be to use small buried nuclear field generators, serviceable, only, every ten years with a life expectancy of 50 years at a fraction of the cost.
The generation stations are extremely cheap, they can run single neighborhoods or entire cities, depending on need.
Point being, each and everyone is an island of power and unaffected by the neighborhood next door.
They tried and proven.



https://phys.org/news/2008-11-mini-nuclear-power-homes.html

That is a very interesting idea.
A nuclear power station that could supply a city of 50,000
buried, so that anyone who tried to tamper with it
would be caught well before they could dig down to it.

And when the nuclear fuel is spent,
the power production gradually trails off.
There's no need to worry about nuclear waste,
because the reactor is already buried!
Just make sure that it's encased in a corrosion proof container.

Still, it might not be a good idea in places
where glaciers in the next ice age would dig it up.
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Re: 440 Fukushimas?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2017, 11:43:27 AM »
There are some really psycho dictators out there.
The regime in Iran actually could be willing to
have their entire nation be a suicide bomber to destroy the world.
In fact, their version of Islam actually calls for them to do that!
Not gonna happen, or would already have.
We have sniffers all around the country silently waiting for exposure.

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That is a very interesting idea.
A nuclear power station that could supply a city of 50,000
buried, so that anyone who tried to tamper with it
would be caught well before they could dig down to it.

And when the nuclear fuel is spent,
the power production gradually trails off.
There's no need to worry about nuclear waste,
because the reactor is already buried!
Just make sure that it's encased in a corrosion proof container.

Still, it might not be a good idea in places
where glaciers in the next ice age would dig it up.

That's just one type, Japan has commercially ready and has already sold some, the difference in their's is, it's serviceable, so every ten years a crew opens it's port and replaces its fuel, done in about an hour.
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Re: 440 Fukushimas?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2017, 06:36:26 PM »
The House passed the SHIELD Act unanimously!
And then the Democrats blocked the Senate
from even considering the bill!

It appears I might have made an error.
It was CIPA (Critical Infrastructure Protection Act)
that passed the House by voice vote,
and then died in the Senate.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/1073/all-actions

The SHIELD Act failed to make it through the House.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/2417/all-actions

(When you visit those pages, be sure to click the "All Actions" button
to see more than just the "Actions Overview.")
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Re: 440 Fukushimas?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2017, 06:53:26 PM »
It appears I might have made an error.
It was CIPA (Critical Infrastructure Protection Act)
that passed the House by voice vote,
and then died in the Senate.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/1073/all-actions

The SHIELD Act failed to make it through the House.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/2417/all-actions

(When you visit those pages, be sure to click the "All Actions" button
to see more than just the "Actions Overview.")
What did get through, was the "Big Brother Marxist green energy Snoop", 'Smart Meter' program.
At an actual undisclosed price tag in the billions, not only did the Marxists stick future generations with the tab, but every rate payer in the US pays a "Fee" in support of giving the govt and corporate America a key to your house, or more precisely, window into your life and everything you do.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/is-big-brother-watching-you/msg202964/#msg202964

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