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Political Discussion and Debate / Re: What do you Americans suggest?
« Last post by european101 on Today at 12:12:30 PM »
Why?
What do you mean divided?  Regarding our Civil War, not sure what you mean by "we were divided", beyond the North vs South.

In the civil war it was North vs. South yes.
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Political Discussion and Debate / Re: What do you Americans suggest?
« Last post by european101 on Today at 12:10:34 PM »
Until the citizenry decide they want a change it will not change. My view is that many European countries have created such dependent classes they cannot reverse the trend. People do not want to give up what is being provided for them as inadequate as it might be.

Good post supsalemgr. I agree with you. Europe has high percent of old people and that people are not ready for change. They still live in the 70 or 80's
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Political Discussion and Debate / Re: What do you Americans suggest?
« Last post by taxed on Today at 11:59:19 AM »
Becouse history of the 20th century has shown that Europe of independent states brought us two world wars. And we don't want that again.
Why?

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Remember you had civil war when you were divided. I know there are big diferencies among members of EU but we don't want to be divided any more. I personally belive in USE.
What do you mean divided?  Regarding our Civil War, not sure what you mean by "we were divided", beyond the North vs South.
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Political Discussion and Debate / Re: What do you Americans suggest?
« Last post by supsalemgr on Today at 11:58:36 AM »
Becouse history of the 20th century has shown that Europe of independent states brought us two world wars. And we don't want that again.

Remember you had civil war when you were divided. I know there are big diferencies among members of EU but we don't want to be divided any more. I personally believe in USE.

Until the citizenry decide they want a change it will not change. My view is that many European countries have created such dependent classes they cannot reverse the trend. People do not want to give up what is being provided for them as inadequate as it might be.
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Political Discussion and Debate / Re: What do you Americans suggest?
« Last post by european101 on Today at 11:53:31 AM »
Why?

Becouse history of the 20th century has shown that Europe of independent states brought us two world wars. And we don't want that again.

Remember you had civil war when you were divided. I know there are big diferencies among members of EU but we don't want to be divided any more. I personally belive in USE.
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Political Discussion and Debate / Re: What do you Americans suggest?
« Last post by european101 on Today at 11:47:55 AM »
I agree with Wally.  Dissolve the European Common Market.  Stop allowing immigration from Islamic countries until those you have are working and are no longer a drag on your welfare systems. Stop bowing to Islam and proudly uphold your own country's culture and traditions, free enterprise and individual freedoms.  Deport immigrants who will not work and who advocate the overthrow of your governments.  Stop electing left-wing governments. Northern Europe and Southern Europe have little in common.  Stop tying your country to losers.

I agree with you about the muslims. But I'm affraid it's too late for some countries. It's too late for France, Belgium and Holland. For these countries it's too late. These countries has a lots of things in common and one of these things is they are pussy members of NATO.

Ah yes stop electing left-wing gvts. But how? I belive in liberty and in democratic elections.
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Political Discussion and Debate / Re: What do you Americans suggest?
« Last post by taxed on Today at 11:44:10 AM »
I partly agree with you. There are big diferencies beetwen member states. However we know from the history that we need union on European level. We all know what is the alternative and I'm affraid we don't really have a choise. But we need to find a new economic model for our continent.

Why?
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I don't think the Constitution permits a Senator to commit treason with impunity.  Please point out that clause.

The only thing I know that I can personally do about it is what I did in November.  However, those who were elected to put the country on it's right course have already betrayed us.  Maybe after the new Congress is seated some will come to their senses.

My personal favorite at the moment is Ted Cruz.
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Political Discussion and Debate / Re: What do you Americans suggest?
« Last post by european101 on Today at 11:43:25 AM »
yeah, that was the Dream  that produced your current Nightmare!   make all these nations who have always quarrelled and waged war on each other, so dependat upon one another that such quarrels and wars would cease forever.  How's that Kumbya State working for you?

BTW, multiculturalism is simply an expansion of this concept of becoming so interdependent that nobody in their right mind would ever not go along with the concept of one for all and all for one.  This doesn't account for the fanatic nature of (some) individuals!

I partly agree with you. There are big diferencies beetwen member states. However we know from the history that we need union on European level. We all know what is the alternative and I'm affraid we don't really have a choise. But we need to find a new economic model for our continent.
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Get away from the Euro and abandon the southern members to reap the bitter fruit of their own corruption and social welfare.  Bring back competition and free enerprise and free (not a common) market...and run, don't walk...away from multi-culturalism, stateism and secularism.
Good Luck!

I agree with Wally.  Dissolve the European Common Market.  Stop allowing immigration from Islamic countries until those you have are working and are no longer a drag on your welfare systems. Stop bowing to Islam and proudly uphold your own country's culture and traditions, free enterprise and individual freedoms.  Deport immigrants who will not work and who advocate the overthrow of your governments.  Stop electing left-wing governments. Northern Europe and Southern Europe have little in common.  Stop tying your country to losers.
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