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You Don't Have the Right to Believe Whatever You Want to
« on: May 22, 2018, 07:54:02 AM »
You read it right folks, this is the next Marxist push, teaching kids that they're not entitled to free thought.
Read this shit, you won't believe it, but it's true.


Do we have the right to believe whatever we want to believe? This supposed right is often claimed as the last resort of the wilfully ignorant, the person who is cornered by evidence and mounting opinion: ‘I believe climate change is a hoax whatever anyone else says, and I have a right to believe it!’ But is there such a right?

We do recognise the right to know certain things. I have a right to know the conditions of my employment, the physician’s diagnosis of my ailments, the grades I achieved at school, the name of my accuser and the nature of the charges, and so on. But belief is not knowledge.

Beliefs are factive: to believe is to take to be true. It would be absurd, as the analytic philosopher G E Moore observed in the 1940s, to say: ‘It is raining, but I don’t believe that it is raining.’ Beliefs aspire to truth – but they do not entail it. Beliefs can be false, unwarranted by evidence or reasoned consideration. They can also be morally repugnant. Among likely candidates: beliefs that are sexist, racist or homophobic; the belief that proper upbringing of a child requires ‘breaking the will’ and severe corporal punishment; the belief that the elderly should routinely be euthanised; the belief that ‘ethnic cleansing’ is a political solution, and so on. If we find these morally wrong, we condemn not only the potential acts that spring from such beliefs, but the content of the belief itself, the act of believing it, and thus the believer.

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Such judgments can imply that believing is a voluntary act. But beliefs are often more like states of mind or attitudes than decisive actions. Some beliefs, such as personal values, are not deliberately chosen; they are ‘inherited’ from parents and ‘acquired’ from peers, acquired inadvertently, inculcated by institutions and authorities, or assumed from hearsay. For this reason, I think, it is not always the coming-to-hold-this-belief that is problematic; it is rather the sustaining of such beliefs, the refusal to disbelieve or discard them that can be voluntary and ethically wrong.

If the content of a belief is judged morally wrong, it is also thought to be false. The belief that one race is less than fully human is not only a morally repugnant, racist tenet; it is also thought to be a false claim – though not by the believer. The falsity of a belief is a necessary but not sufficient condition for a belief to be morally wrong; neither is the ugliness of the content sufficient for a belief to be morally wrong. Alas, there are indeed morally repugnant truths, but it is not the believing that makes them so. Their moral ugliness is embedded in the world, not in one’s belief about the world.

‘Who are you to tell me what to believe?’ replies the zealot.
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Re: You Don't Have the Right to Believe Whatever You Want to
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2018, 08:41:00 AM »
They've already got this squared away in most of europe, Canada, UK, etc.  Not to even mention the 3rd world and dictatorships like Russia, China, etc.

Our progressive local dictators-in-waiting are working overtime to find that crack in the armor in America.

What a unique and apparently unpopular experiment in America, to give the people unfettered rights and the govt no damned way to change that.  Seems like much of the globe has hated it since day 1 of our country, always picking, poking, and probing from various angles.

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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2018, 08:46:42 AM »
What's funny is that they are feverishly doing the old "accuse everybody else of whatever you're doing / getting away with".

As they pitch global warming with no proof, or cover up the crimes of their heroes, or create frame-ups for whomever they hate ......... the moron who wrote this claims that somebody else is saying "it's not raining" when it's raining.  This is actually the whole existence of dems, liberals, progressives, et al.   Childish lying and cheating.

The fourth paragraph is a laundry list of shit that the left does as policy.  Euthanasia is a direct outcome of their socialized medicine wherever it's pursued.  Genocide in South Africa is just fine with them.
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2018, 09:43:39 AM »
What's funny is that they are feverishly doing the old "accuse everybody else of whatever you're doing / getting away with".

As they pitch global warming with no proof, or cover up the crimes of their heroes, or create frame-ups for whomever they hate ......... the moron who wrote this claims that somebody else is saying "it's not raining" when it's raining.  This is actually the whole existence of dems, liberals, progressives, et al.   Childish lying and cheating.

The fourth paragraph is a laundry list of shit that the left does as policy.  Euthanasia is a direct outcome of their socialized medicine wherever it's pursued.  Genocide in South Africa is just fine with them.
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Nailed it in both posts!
But Andy, you have no "Right" to believe that is wrong. :sneaky:
This is the real message they don't want you to understand, they want to suppress one's right to speak out against evil, private thoughts be damned and we'll use thought police to prosecute.
That is their end goal, solid communism.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2018, 09:54:00 AM »
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Nailed it in both posts!
But Andy, you have no "Right" to believe that is wrong. :sneaky:
This is the real message they don't want you to understand, they want to suppress one's right to speak out against evil, private thoughts be damned and we'll use thought police to prosecute.
That is their end goal, solid communism.
We are seeing great examples of this in the current Obama scandals.

To look at evidence is to harm the FBI and the country.  To demand it, is to insult our great FBI patriots.  To prosecute Obama's weaponization of the govt....... is now called Trump's weaponization of the govt.

Stupid shit, but it's what they have left, and they were on a glidepath to make this our permanent reality; now they can't fathom that it's stopped working.  Like shell-shocked victims wandering around after a huge blast.  But these victims deserve their blast, much like a terrorist bomb maker.

The thing I've learned to be thankful for is Trump beating them to "fake news".  He was first out of the gate and bludgeoned them with it.  They tried to co-opt it and take ownership with huge help from the MSM, but Trump held serve; they never got control of it.  If they had, we'd be a lot worse off.  They seem to have lost "fact checking" as well, thanks to Trump's efforts.
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2018, 09:58:43 AM »
We are seeing great examples of this in the current Obama scandals.

To look at evidence is to harm the FBI and the country.  To demand it, is to insult our great patriots.  To prosecute Obama's weaponization of the govt....... is now called Trump's weaponization of the govt.

Stupid shit, but it's what they have left, and they were on a glidepath to make this our permanent reality; now they can't fathom that it's stopped working.  Like shell-shocked victims wandering around after a huge blast.  But these victims deserve their blast, much like a terrorist bomb maker.
Yes, it was the last refuge of the criminal, point the blame at those trying to fix the problem.
I am so glad Trump was elected, and I don't mean this a slight against Cruz, but to be honest, I doubt he would have ever made a dent in the Deepstate corruption.
Trump was the perfect man for the job. You're right, this was the next nail in the coffin, 'PC on nuclear steroids', they needed to stifle dissent in the worst way.
We really did dodge a bullet, bomb.
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2018, 10:04:24 AM »
Yes, it was the last refuge of the criminal, point the blame at those trying to fix the problem.
I am so glad Trump was elected, and I don't mean this a slight against Cruz, but to be honest, I doubt he would have ever made a dent in the Deepstate corruption.
Trump was the perfect man for the job. You're right, this was the next nail in the coffin, 'PC on nuclear steroids', they needed to stifle dissent in the worst way.
We really did dodge a bullet, bomb.
I love Cruz, but yes, he would have ditched the war with the deep state in order to do stuff less taxing and less annoying.  They would have remained, and the GOP presidential term would just be a holding pattern for the dems / deep state.

Trump is the only one who could have both enjoyed and won the big brawl. He loves getting the last word, getting the win, never giving in..... in every last situation lol.  He can't let any one single skirmish or insult go by the wayside, which is the only way this big one happens.

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Re: You Don't Have the Right to Believe Whatever You Want to
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2018, 05:32:02 PM »
Ah, clever. If we are not allowed to believe whatever we want then there must be someone or some entity that will make those decisions for us. The government perhaps...

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2018, 06:31:18 PM »
Ah, clever. If we are not allowed to believe whatever we want then there must be someone or some entity that will make those decisions for us. The government perhaps...
How is it, that this goes right over libs heads?
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2018, 07:42:36 PM »
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‘Who are you to tell me what to believe?’ replies the zealot.
Really?  The zealot?

How many times have Christians heard that phrase form progs when defending things like the unborn's right to life?

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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2018, 07:49:00 PM »
How is it, that this goes right over libs heads?

They never think about consequences. They see themselves as being so superior that they don't realize all polices they support will affect them as well. That and their zealot like support for the state.

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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2018, 08:48:43 AM »
How is it, that this goes right over libs heads?
They continually think that all of their crime and fascism is great when they wield it against us............. but they can't wrap their heads around Trump applying fully constitutional, lawful powers to deal with their nonsense.  To them, that's fascist and dictatorial and evil.

They have the understanding and the outlook / attitude of spoiled & nasty 14-year-olds.  In all things.

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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2018, 09:00:16 AM »
They never think about consequences. They see themselves as being so superior that they don't realize all polices they support will affect them as well. That and their zealot like support for the state.
There is the keyword, they never "Think".
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2018, 04:37:59 PM »
There is the keyword, they never "Think".

They simply obey.

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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2018, 06:03:39 PM »
There is the keyword, they never "Think".
Progs do too "think!!"

EXACTLY what their political masters TELL them to think.

That's why they have no problem with the idea of government declaring what is to be "believed."

 

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