Yay or nay towards marajiuana?

Started by Balto, January 30, 2013, 08:04:32 PM

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kramarat

Quote from: Balto on January 31, 2013, 01:53:16 PM
As long as the libs are in power, they are going to cave in and try to takeover everything they can.

Obama, (stoner, coke freak in chief), is against legalization. Of course, he's against anything that removes control from government.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/ondcp-fact-sheets/marijuana-legalization

Murph

Cannabis is bad. Anyone who denies it is probaly smoking it. I say do a Chicago style cannabis control law; only on your own property, locked in a safe when not in use, and no one under 18 shares the home. If you wanna screw yourself I can warn against it, but not stop it.  :popcorn:

BILLY Defiant

Quote from: Balto on January 30, 2013, 08:04:32 PM
I'll come out and say it. I supported legalization of pot (or Amendment 64)) in Colorado. But mainly because I believe pot can only be as if not as less harmful as alcohol. But I have a feeling before joints come like beer mugs, a lot of people will try doing what happened for alcohol: ban it.

Yay or nay?


Bully for you.

This is why we have a drug problem stemming from a devloping drug culture over the last 50 years, in this country.

This is why we drug our youth to control their behavior and frankly this is why they can't handle it, go beserk and pick up a gun and start mowing others down.

This is why adults develop a dependency on all sorts of harmful substances and set a bad example for their children to follow and perpetuate to the detriment of our society.

Congrads on your victory and guarenteeing employment for Mexican drug cartels and Columbian rebels.

Billy
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kramarat

Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 31, 2013, 03:21:30 PM

Bully for you.

This is why we have a drug problem stemming from a devloping drug culture over the last 50 years, in this country.

This is why we drug our youth to control their behavior and frankly this is why they can't handle it, go beserk and pick up a gun and start mowing others down.

This is why adults develop a dependency on all sorts of harmful substances and set a bad example for their children to follow and perpetuate to the detriment of our society.

Congrads on your victory and guarenteeing employment for Mexican drug cartels and Columbian rebels.

Billy

That's a lot of connecting the wrong dots Billy.

We are intentionally drugging our youth with legal, prescription drugs. It's what all of these crazed shooters have in common.

The drug cartels do not have carte blanch in Colorado, nor should they. They are murderous gangsters.

If an adult wants to smoke a joint to relax, rather than consuming alcohol, I, for one, don't consider them to be a criminal.

The only reason that pot is still illegal, is that everyone will grow their own few plants for personal consumption, and there is no way to tax it. The entire profit motive will be eliminated.

The current law is in place to keep the government machine running. A machine in which most in law enforcement already ignore pot use.

BILLY Defiant

Quote from: kramarat on January 31, 2013, 03:51:50 PM
That's a lot of connecting the wrong dots Billy.

We are intentionally drugging our youth with legal, prescription drugs. It's what all of these crazed shooters have in common.

The drug cartels do not have carte blanch in Colorado, nor should they. They are murderous gangsters.

If an adult wants to smoke a joint to relax, rather than consuming alcohol, I, for one, don't consider them to be a criminal.

The only reason that pot is still illegal, is that everyone will grow their own few plants for personal consumption, and there is no way to tax it. The entire profit motive will be eliminated.

The current law is in place to keep the government machine running. A machine in which most in law enforcement already ignore pot use.


Sorry you missed the point.

Perpetuating the drug culture is not a good idea, no matter what drug we are perpetuating.

The results are and will be Disasterous.


Billy
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kramarat

Quote from: BILLY Defiant on January 31, 2013, 03:58:36 PM

Sorry you missed the point.

Perpetuating the drug culture is not a good idea, no matter what drug we are perpetuating.

The results are and will be Disasterous.


Billy

The illegalization of drugs, and subsequent war on drugs have been a dismal failure. It hasn't stopped the flow or use of drugs in any meaningful way, and yet, we have spent trillions on the effort.

We also have an administration in place that:

1) Refuses to secure the border.
2) Got caught arming the drug cartels.
3) Used EP to stop questions.
4) Granted blanket amnesty by EO.
5) Sued the state of Arizona for enforcing federal law.

A criminal enterprise has taken our government; I just don't have time to be concerned with a US citizen smoking a joint. It's not a priority.

If states are willing to openly disobey the federal government, I don't care if it's pot laws, turning down Obamacare, or refusing federal gun law mandates, it's a step in the right direction.

Turks

Poll: Feds should butt out of states that legalize pot

"But the poll also showed that attitudes about legalizing pot for recreational use are almost evenly split, with 49 percent opposed and 47 percent in favor, which is with in the poll's plus-or-minus 3.8 percent margin of error.

All age groups under 64 are in favor of legalization, with those 64 and older opposing it by a 54 to 41-percent margin."






Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/31/poll-feds-should-butt-out-of-states-that-legalize-pot/#ixzz2Je1xui9j

Solar

Quote from: Turks on February 01, 2013, 03:10:08 AM
Poll: Feds should butt out of states that legalize pot

"But the poll also showed that attitudes about legalizing pot for recreational use are almost evenly split, with 49 percent opposed and 47 percent in favor, which is with in the poll's plus-or-minus 3.8 percent margin of error.

All age groups under 64 are in favor of legalization, with those 64 and older opposing it by a 54 to 41-percent margin."






Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/31/poll-feds-should-butt-out-of-states-that-legalize-pot/#ixzz2Je1xui9j
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I am not so sure that is a wisdom thing as a throwback to attitudes that persist from when they were young.  My father viewed smoking pot with the same amount of disdain as someone who raped children. There was no maybe it is OK in his view.  Attitudes at that time also ramped up because racial tolerance was not what it is today so this drug also was viewed as coming from the minority community just like the music which he did not like and was disgusted by the Beatles. 

Drugs of some kind has been a part of all cultures through out time and it is nothing new to our society or country.  Watched a documentary last night on Pearl Harbor and the president had a head cold so to clear his sinuses the doctor swabbed his nasal passages with cocaine.  The 20s I think are characterized by what society evolved to all related to alcohol. 

One other issue that this thread has made me consider is how criminalizing drugs keeps them in the dark and so the history of its use kind of gets lost.   Perhaps 15 years ago Cocaine came storming back as the perfect recreational drug.  It only last for a relatively short time and at the time it was believed to have no real bad side affects.  Well it got popular and as it did the down side started showing its head.  People who used it, often maintained a normal life for a while but at some point in their usage they drop off the edge. It did not seem to be gradual either.  One day they were the person you knew and the next day they were off in wacky land.  Most were able to come back but I know a few whose mind is gone forever as well as what ever personal life and family they had before they fell off the cliff.  I am sure that if knowledge of prior users was available it might have been viewed with more caution. 

More recently, the kids who are around the age of my kids 20-30 are far more likely to dabble with heroin than people my age who saw its effects during the 60's.  I guess part of the current allure is that you can now get it at a potency that is strong enough that you do not have to inject it but the risk of addiction should be well known.  Sadly, its use was widespread and my kids have seen more people in their graduating class put into their graves than I have and my graduating class was larger than theirs.   To this day, you can tell when an especially strong batch of heroin makes it to the area because the newspapers will have a higher number of notices for young people who died suddenly at home. 

I do not think that we are becoming a more drug dependent society, the drugs might be different but even as you go back through time you can see that drugs always were present.  Wasn't it kind of a stereotype that the good housewife would greet her husband with a cocktail  to help him unwind from a hard days work in the 40's or 50's.
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Quote from: raptor5618 on February 01, 2013, 06:12:23 AM
I am not so sure that is a wisdom thing as a throwback to attitudes that persist from when they were young.  My father viewed smoking pot with the same amount of disdain as someone who raped children.
Probably because he saw the damage drugs do to society, much in the same way rape affects families.

Ever lived with a druggie, an alcoholic, ever seen one die from addiction? I bet he has, which is why I say wisdom, kids have yet to see first hand the damage drugs inflict on society, much the same way cancer effects the body.

Let's look a Colorado in a few years and see just how well things are going.
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I can't help but wonder if full decriminalization, followed by ad campaigns in which drug users are depicted as losers, wouldn't be a better approach.

As a conservative, I'll always prefer that citizens be armed with information, and be able to make their own choices, (good or bad), rather than being dictated to by government.

Something to think about:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/26/portugals-drug-policy-pays-eyes-lessons/

Solar

Quote from: kramarat on February 01, 2013, 06:25:50 AM
I can't help but wonder if full decriminalization, followed by ad campaigns in which drug users are depicted as losers, wouldn't be a better approach.

As a conservative, I'll always prefer that citizens be armed with information, and be able to make their own choices, (good or bad), rather than being dictated to by government.

Something to think about:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/26/portugals-drug-policy-pays-eyes-lessons/
You know, that's a damn good idea. They could depict several friends in their early 20s hanging out taking a hit off a joint, a couple suggest they go to the movies, one of them say's no man, lets just hang out and Par-taaay, the others get in a nice little car and head to the cinema, the partier gets on his bike and goes home, the camera pans around a modest home, then follows the kid to the basement full of crap where he proceeds to roll another, which happens to be his mom and dads house.
Then fast forward a decade or so and there the partyer sits surrounded by crap and his bike with a flat tire, while the camera shows his friends with nice homes and loving families around them.

I say this because it's what happened in my circle of friends, and believe it or not, Jimmy is still in the same bedroom he was when we were 7, still getting high and perpetually broke from DUIs.
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Quote from: Solar on February 01, 2013, 06:40:57 AM
You know, that's a damn good idea. They could depict several friends in their early 20s hanging out taking a hit off a joint, a couple suggest they go to the movies, one of them say's no man, lets just hang out and Par-taaay, the others get in a nice little car and head to the cinema, the partier gets on his bike and goes home, the camera pans around a modest home, then follows the kid to the basement full of crap where he proceeds to roll another, which happens to be his mom and dads house.
Then fast forward a decade or so and there the partyer sits surrounded by crap and his bike with a flat tire, while the camera shows his friends with nice homes and loving families around them.

I say this because it's what happened in my circle of friends, and believe it or not, Jimmy is still in the same bedroom he was when we were 7, still getting high and perpetually broke from DUIs.
A PSA showing the long term effects of pot like they do for texting and drivng? I dont think it'll keep people from doing it but it'll be something else left on Youtube. Now make it dramatic like that UK Texting and Driving video, and people might pay more attention.


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Quote from: Balto on February 01, 2013, 07:26:37 AM
A PSA showing the long term effects of pot like they do for texting and drivng? I dont think it'll keep people from doing it but it'll be something else left on Youtube. Now make it dramatic like that UK Texting and Driving video, and people might pay more attention.
Yep, shame those that partake, but we know why the left isn't shaming drug use, the love dependents.
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Quote from: Solar on February 01, 2013, 06:40:57 AM
You know, that's a damn good idea. They could depict several friends in their early 20s hanging out taking a hit off a joint, a couple suggest they go to the movies, one of them say's no man, lets just hang out and Par-taaay, the others get in a nice little car and head to the cinema, the partier gets on his bike and goes home, the camera pans around a modest home, then follows the kid to the basement full of crap where he proceeds to roll another, which happens to be his mom and dads house.
Then fast forward a decade or so and there the partyer sits surrounded by crap and his bike with a flat tire, while the camera shows his friends with nice homes and loving families around them.

I say this because it's what happened in my circle of friends, and believe it or not, Jimmy is still in the same bedroom he was when we were 7, still getting high and perpetually broke from DUIs.

Not to mention, that the younger generation is consumed with their image. It really wouldn't be too difficult to make drug use look "uncool". Just show them reality............30 year old stoners still living with their parents..........junkies living in alleys, etc.

I'll tell you the truth; I first tried pot when I was about 14 years old. The part that I thought was the coolest, was that I was breaking the law. It's a fact.

Also, while thinking about this thread........I still know people that smoke weed on the weekends. It's not crazed habit or anything; but I was thinking; with all of our laws, even though I don't hang out with anyone that does hard drugs, I bet I could make some phone calls, and within 24 hours, get my hands on just about any drug that exists. The laws aren't stopping anything.

Like us, most people just wise up and quit drugs on their own; whether it's pot or whatever.