Yay or nay towards marajiuana?

Started by Balto, January 30, 2013, 08:04:32 PM

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Quote from: Turks on January 31, 2013, 05:25:44 AM


The thing that always bothered me is the fact that if drug tested one can be fired for smoking on their own time.  Let me explain.  One can smoke pot from Friday evening through Sunday evening then stop.  They go to work Monday morning with no lingering effects yet since it stays in the system for quite awhile a person can be terminated.

Anyone familar with smoking pot knows that if one smoked their last joint let's say at 10:00 PM for arguments sake.  By the time they wake up there's no lingering effects.  With alcohol there's the hangover which coulkd interfere with one's performance...not so with pot.

Just my observation on the matter.  I don't care one way or another if it's legalized.  If one wants it, it's easily available to the let's say "daily user".

True. It may not seem fair, but the pot smoker is not compelled to work for an employer with a zero tolerance policy. They can work somewhere else.

On the other hand, if we call on government to force employers to keep pot smokers around, again, it is unconstitutional. The government has no constitutional authority to dictate the employment criteria for a private company.

Balto

Marajiuana does have some medical benefits. It can help take care of symptoms like depressio,  like I have.

Solar

Why stop there, opium in it's pure form has the same calming effect as weed, you never hear of someone getting violent when he's high, or heroin, same thing, they just zombie out in a dark room?
Sure, what the Hell, lets legalize even more drugs, as long as they stay indoors, what's the harm?

The harm is, they are detrimental to society as a whole, our predecessors knew and made laws against them.
Why is it every generation thinks they're somehow smarter than those that learned the hard way?

Wake up people, this has absolutely nothing to do with Rights or personal Freedoms, and everything to do with destroying the foundation of the country from the inside out.
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Quote from: Balto on January 31, 2013, 05:52:48 AM
Marajiuana does have some medical benefits. It can help take care of symptoms like depressio,  like I have.

I go to adult gatherings, (40-50 year olds), where I will drink a couple of whiskey drinks and switch to beer for the rest of the night...........getting a pretty good buzz on. Other people go outside and smoke some pot, because they can't stand the taste or effects of alcohol. I don't have a problem with it.

I can't smoke pot because it makes me instantly stupid and almost falling down. Different strokes for different folks. :wink:

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Quote from: Solar on January 31, 2013, 06:26:56 AM
Why stop there, opium in it's pure form has the same calming effect as weed, you never hear of someone getting violent when he's high, or heroin, same thing, they just zombie out in a dark room?
Sure, what the Hell, lets legalize even more drugs, as long as they stay indoors, what's the harm?

The harm is, they are detrimental to society as a whole, our predecessors knew and made laws against them.
Why is it every generation thinks they're somehow smarter than those that learned the hard way?

Wake up people, this has absolutely nothing to do with Rights or personal Freedoms, and everything to do with destroying the foundation of the country from the inside out.
This was a question about only pot. There are drugs that are so detrimental to other people, aside from the user, that they can't be accepted in a functioning society. We'll probably never agree, but I don't consider pot use to be one of them.

Turks

Quote from: kramarat on January 31, 2013, 05:33:52 AM
True. It may not seem fair, but the pot smoker is not compelled to work for an employer with a zero tolerance policy. They can work somewhere else.

On the other hand, if we call on government to force employers to keep pot smokers around, again, it is unconstitutional. The government has no constitutional authority to dictate the employment criteria for a private company.

There aren't many employers who aren't zero tolerance.  At least none I can name. The "at will" clause in almost all employer's agreements give them the out to fire anyone they please, for any reason.


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Quote from: Turks on January 31, 2013, 06:49:17 AM
There aren't many employers who aren't zero tolerance.  At least none I can name. The "at will" clause in almost all employer's agreements give them the out to fire anyone they please, for any reason.

As it should be.

Solar

Quote from: kramarat on January 31, 2013, 06:37:35 AM
This was a question about only pot. There are drugs that are so detrimental to other people, aside from the user, that they can't be accepted in a functioning society. We'll probably never agree, but I don't consider pot use to be one of them.
Of course it was. This time, but next time it will be another, and another drug after that.
It's always about the repressive man, the man got me down, all I wanna do is get high and not bother anyone.
(and draw food stamps, suck off the productive in the country, get free medical care, where I can get free weed)
Yeah, it is all about Just Weed, but you just keep believing that lie.
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The real answer is impairment testing which really should be used for alcohol as well.  Setting a number for alcohol is just easy but does not determine the amount of impairment experienced by a person at that level. I knew some people that probably were very impaired on only a little bit of alcohol.   With Pot you could still have levels in your system weeks after smoking it.  Also they do not test for prescription drugs and some of them are far more potent than weed.   

I see no reason why it should not be legal as on any level alcohol is worse.  Neither is very good for your health especially if you abuse it and someone who is smoked up is far less of a hazard to society (others) than those who are drunk.  I never saw someone stumbling around on weed and I do not know of a single person who gets smoked up and goes out looking for a fight.

Lastly, why do we want to waste our resources chasing someone who smokes or sells dope and then putting them in jail.  It really seems like a senseless waste of our tax dollars.  So less waste and probably more revenue seems like it should be enough of a benefit for those on the fence.  I personally prefer that our police are locking up those who present a real danger to the rest of us.
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Quote from: Solar on January 31, 2013, 06:54:00 AM
Of course it was. This time, but next time it will be another, and another drug after that.
It's always about the repressive man, the man got me down, all I wanna do is get high and not bother anyone.
(and draw food stamps, suck off the productive in the country, get free medical care, where I can get free weed)
Yeah, it is all about Just Weed, but you just keep believing that lie.

Then, as a society, we have a responsibility to ban alcohol.........another drug.

http://recoveryfirst.org/alcohol-related-injuries-and-deaths-in-the-us.html/

JustKari

Quote from: The Stranger on January 31, 2013, 03:48:21 AM
IMHO Pot is no more dangerous then Alcohol. So if it has the same usage perimeters as Alcohol oh well.
But I don't think they have a way to check your blood content road side yet so I would say not at this time. I may be wrong on checking blood content and how much makes you incapacitated.

I would neither vote for legalization or against it.  My only issue is the one posed in this post, like alcohol, they need a test that can deturmine when it was smoked, and level of intoxication.  Also, the issue of it lingering in the blood system, if it was legal, you should not be punished for doing it on your own time.

As a bonus, they would then legalize industrial hemp, which would make getting hemp fabric much easier/cheaper.

Solar

Quote from: kramarat on January 31, 2013, 07:06:24 AM
Then, as a society, we have a responsibility to ban alcohol.........another drug.

http://recoveryfirst.org/alcohol-related-injuries-and-deaths-in-the-us.html/
Some actually do, because different races are effected differently.
Personally I don't care, Pandora's box is open, people will either brew or grow their own.
Morality and shame no longer exists, it used to be embarrassing to have an addiction problem.
Now it's cool to get high? But please, ignore our elders warnings, they were just old white guys after all, what in the fuck did they know?
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Quote from: kramarat on January 31, 2013, 06:51:39 AM
As it should be.

That's a matter of personal preference/perspective.  As someone else posted,  I'm too am as Conservative as one gets on most issues but maybe due to the generation I grew up in, I am not a staunch anti-pot advocate.  In fact, I have no issue with legalizing it.  When it comes to pot..to me..."to each, his own".


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Quote from: Solar on January 31, 2013, 06:54:00 AM
Of course it was. This time, but next time it will be another, and another drug after that.
It's always about the repressive man, the man got me down, all I wanna do is get high and not bother anyone.
(and draw food stamps, suck off the productive in the country, get free medical care, where I can get free weed)
Yeah, it is all about Just Weed, but you just keep believing that lie.

I'm probably biased. I don't know anyone that smokes pot and sucks off the productive in the country. They work every day, own homes, raise kids, own businesses............and take a few hits of pot for the same reason that I drink a six pack of beer. It doesn't bug me in the least. I just don't happen to like the way it affects me.

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Quote from: Turks on January 31, 2013, 07:19:25 AM
That's a matter of personal preference/perspective.  As someone else posted,  I'm too am as Conservaive as one gets on most issues but maybe due to the generation I grew up in, I am not a staunch anti-pot advocate.  When it comes to pot..to me..."to each, his own".

Me too. It stops at pot though.

I can't get behind the legalization of things like meth or crack. The damage that those drugs cause, (beyond the user), are well documented. Not so with weed.