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General Category => Political Discussion and Debate => Topic started by: Solar on January 21, 2020, 12:27:10 PM

Title: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 21, 2020, 12:27:10 PM
Get ready, the WuFlu is about to knock the Dims Impeachment off the front page. Seriously, this thing is spreading fast.


zerohedge
@zerohedge
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Coronavirus patients have been identified in Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen, as well as Taiwan, Japan, Thailand and South Korea. And now, the US
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on January 21, 2020, 02:16:46 PM
I guess this is some serious stuff for the Chinese government to board planes and test passengers.

A video of medics in hazmat suits scanning plane passengers for China's mysterious Wuhan virus is stoking fears of a global epidemic

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-virus-wuhan-outbreak-medics-scan-plane-passengers-2020-1




(https://i.insider.com/5e258f0a62fa815c3f76d4d4?width=1300&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 21, 2020, 02:43:43 PM
I guess this is some serious stuff for the Chinese government to board planes and test passengers.

A video of medics in hazmat suits scanning plane passengers for China's mysterious Wuhan virus is stoking fears of a global epidemic

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-virus-wuhan-outbreak-medics-scan-plane-passengers-2020-1




(https://i.insider.com/5e258f0a62fa815c3f76d4d4?width=1300&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
I posted on this video and asked everyone what they would do if this happened in the US, a lot of people literally freaked, because they realized the moment they see this, they're probably gonna get real sick and possibly die. "We're from the govt and we're here to help"..... BS, they're toting your ass off the plane and placing you in quarantine! You probably won't see family again, ever.
Seriously, this is so damn contagious that even these techs came wrapped head to toe to protect themselves.
I've been following this since it first broke a several days back, and I'm shocked how quickly it's spreading and insiders say your odds of survival aren't good.

Let's hope they get a handle on this real soon.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: taxed on January 21, 2020, 02:48:03 PM
Jesus.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Cryptic Bert on January 21, 2020, 02:51:16 PM
The democrats may have found their third article of impeachment.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 21, 2020, 02:55:07 PM
The democrats may have found their third article of impeachment.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Funny, that's what all the comments said, "Trumps Fault". Do we know the left or what?
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 21, 2020, 05:02:24 PM

They tell us not to worry? Watch the 15 second video clip.

A suspected coronavirus patient is being transported to a hospital in China's Huizhou  #nCoV2019 (via
@jia_HKer
)


Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: T Hunt on January 21, 2020, 09:38:07 PM
So what happens if it comes here? Can we handle a super bug thats super contagious? Will this wipe out the coasts and leave flyover country to inherit America?
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 22, 2020, 03:33:29 AM
So what happens if it comes here? Can we handle a super bug thats super contagious? Will this wipe out the coasts and leave flyover country to inherit America?
:biggrin:
It's definitely going to play Hell on big cities. Living close to SF, and the Capitol, that's all they'll be talking about.
Will people die? Sure, just like they do every flu season, probably a lot more with this, but life will go on.

I'm just waiting to see how long it will be before the media drops the Dims Impeachment and focuses on the flu epidemic. :biggrin:
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 22, 2020, 06:56:15 AM
Not good news...


Steve Lookner
@lookner
Health official in WA press conference: it takes up to 14 days to show symptoms from China virus
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 22, 2020, 11:31:35 AM
Way too late...

@ezracheungtoto
 · 38m
#BREAKING: In order to fight #WuFlu, Wuhan’s bus, metro, ferry and other long-distance transport services will be temporarily suspended starting on January 23 at 10 am, says state media @CCTV. Airport and train stations leaving Wuhan will also close. #WuhanPneumonia

Wuhan. Why are they sick?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1frH9VUAA3LKU?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1frH8U4AA0BZF?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1frH9U4AAZ-T2?format=jpg&name=360x360)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1frH9VAAAlJ8S?format=jpg&name=360x360)
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 22, 2020, 11:38:26 AM
The woman took drugs to mask her fever to visit France and boasted about it.

Translated...
Tweet See new Tweets Conversation 83 Angel in Hell 23 @JTPXLBKFcDzbRWX turn Wuhan people successfully entered France with antipyretics There was a Wuhan woman who went to France Use antipyretics to escape security clearance Enjoy a great meal in France with friends! Full of pride in God's operation that escaped the security check! It ’s really Twisting Line. When the whole world knows how many servants there are,

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO5HC9IUcAEBbjj?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO5HC9HVUAEDqwz?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 22, 2020, 03:18:30 PM
.Warning, graphic video, kind of a disgusting meal if you ask me.


@RFA_Chinese
 reporting that exports are speculating the virus original source came from bats.


Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: taxed on January 22, 2020, 03:20:13 PM
Way too late...

@ezracheungtoto
 · 38m
#BREAKING: In order to fight #WuFlu, Wuhan’s bus, metro, ferry and other long-distance transport services will be temporarily suspended starting on January 23 at 10 am, says state media @CCTV. Airport and train stations leaving Wuhan will also close. #WuhanPneumonia

Wuhan. Why are they sick?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1frH9VUAA3LKU?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1frH8U4AA0BZF?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1frH9U4AAZ-T2?format=jpg&name=360x360)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1frH9VAAAlJ8S?format=jpg&name=360x360)

This is sounding like in the show "Chernobyl", when the Soviets were "dealing" with the meltdown problem.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 22, 2020, 03:30:50 PM
This is sounding like in the show "Chernobyl", when the Soviets were "dealing" with the meltdown problem.
Yep, China fired a bullet and now they're racing to get ahead of it.
Too late...
Also there's evidence that his virus is already mutating, but they claim there isn't enough evidence. So why did they broach the subject in the first place?
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: T Hunt on January 22, 2020, 05:08:15 PM
Way too late...

@ezracheungtoto
 · 38m
#BREAKING: In order to fight #WuFlu, Wuhan’s bus, metro, ferry and other long-distance transport services will be temporarily suspended starting on January 23 at 10 am, says state media @CCTV. Airport and train stations leaving Wuhan will also close. #WuhanPneumonia

Wuhan. Why are they sick?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1frH9VUAA3LKU?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1frH8U4AA0BZF?format=jpg&name=360x360)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1frH9U4AAZ-T2?format=jpg&name=360x360)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1frH9VAAAlJ8S?format=jpg&name=360x360)

WTF are they eating so much dog and cat for? Is there a demand for it or something? Have they developed a taste? Why is PETA wasting their time here with stuff like this going on? Prbly just like the environmentalists who focus on the USA and ignore the bigger problem in china.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 22, 2020, 06:29:26 PM
WTF are they eating so much dog and cat for? Is there a demand for it or something? Have they developed a taste? Why is PETA wasting their time here with stuff like this going on? Prbly just like the environmentalists who focus on the USA and ignore the bigger problem in china.
I wish I could post the other pics I came across, but they are too barbaric, these people are backwards, they have zero compassion, they actually eat a lot of things, including baby mice alive and cook other animals alive, or skin them alive.
Karma is coming back on these miserable fucks.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 23, 2020, 06:17:26 AM
This is huge!!!


EHA News
@eha_news
 · 2h
#BREAKING

#China cancels all Lunar New Year celebrations due to #CoronavirusOutbreak

-AP
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 23, 2020, 08:46:34 AM
#NEW: Seven cities in #China now under lockdown due to the #Wuhan virus.
 - Wuhan
 - Huanggang
 - Zhijiang
 - Ezhou
 - Qianjiang
 - Chibi
 - Xiantao
20,000,000+ citizens in total.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: taxed on January 23, 2020, 10:48:14 AM
https://www.libertynation.com/exclusive-coronavirus-the-facts-you-are-not-being-told/

Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 23, 2020, 10:57:20 AM
#China This is one of the most disturbing news reports about #WuhanPneumonia:
"Central Theater Command assists Wuhan lockdown"[1/3]

CCP Central Military Commission has ordered Central Command to assist the Wuhan lockdown in response to social instability due to panic emotions.

The soldiers were equipped with biological protective gear and they vowed to win the campaign with high morale.

To make Chairman Xi at ease, the soldiers are not afraid of hardships or even death and they will finish the lockdown task with a strong will
.[2/3]
W. B. Yeats
@WBYeats1865
·
27m
Motorized equipment will be put to use. Dongfeng EQ2050 armoured vehicle, armoured personnel carriers and light tanks were all put to use to defend the roadblocks.[3/3]

Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 23, 2020, 11:00:19 AM
https://www.libertynation.com/exclusive-coronavirus-the-facts-you-are-not-being-told/
This says it all.

"Dr. Guan Yi, who initiated the research into the SARS outbreak in 2003, has been to Wuhan. Upon returning to Hong Kong, he immediately isolated himself, telling Caixin News, that this Coronavirus strain, and the spreading of it, could be ten times more severe than that of SARS."
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 23, 2020, 05:49:40 PM

Wuhan medical staff being infected at faster pace than reported: sources
Fifteen cases of the coronavirus have been officially reported among medical staff in the city, but doctors say there have been other instance.
scmp.com

Watch the video, they have good reason to be scared.

Title: Let the conspiracies begin
Post by: Solar on January 23, 2020, 06:03:42 PM
Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation & Others Predicted Up To 65 Million Deaths Via Coronavirus – In Simulation Ran 3 Months Ago — Also Funded Group Who Owns Virus Patent

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation co-hosted a pandemic exercise in late 2019 that simulated a global coronavirus outbreak.

They also just happen to fund the group who owns the patent to the deadly virus and are working on a vaccine to solve the crisis.

On June 19, 2015, the UK government-funded Pirbright Institute filed an application for a patent for the live coronavirus, which was approved on Nov 20, 2018.

Suspiciously, a Pirbright Institute “primary funder” is the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Snipped/////

Bill And Melinda Gates Behind Global Pandemic Excercise Focusing On Coronavirus

Meanwhile, on Oct. 18, 2019, also before the outbreak, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and the World Economic Forum co-hosted an event in NYC where “policymakers, business leaders, and health officials” worked together on a simulated coronavirus outbreak.

Titled the “Event 201” pandemic, the high-level pandemic exercise “dropped participants right in the midst of an uncontrolled coronavirus outbreak that was spreading like wildfire out of South America to wreak worldwide havoc.”

“In the simulation, CAPS (the coronavirus) resulted in a death toll of 65 million people within 18 months,” according to John Hopkins University.

A video highlight reel from the event shows fictional newscasters from “GNN” discuss how the hypothetical immune-resistant virus (nicknamed CAPS) was crippling trade and travel, sending the global economy into freefall.

It just so happens that a professor from Imperial College London recently warned the coronavirus has the same kill rate as the Spanish flu, which claimed the lives of 20-50 million people in 1918.

https://www.newswars.com/bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation-others-predicted-up-to-65-million-deaths-via-coronavirus-in-simulation-ran-3-months-ago/

Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 24, 2020, 04:01:52 PM
Here's a live map of the outbreak. Keep checking back as the numbers continue to grow.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: carolina73 on January 24, 2020, 09:28:28 PM
They think it is coming from snakes but snakes also eat many small animals. If you fly internationally or out of Western US cities  then it is not uncommon to see Asians wearing medical masks.
It really is not a bad idea.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 25, 2020, 04:25:56 AM
They think it is coming from snakes but snakes also eat many small animals. If you fly internationally or out of Western US cities  then it is not uncommon to see Asians wearing medical masks.
It really is not a bad idea.

Totally agree! See it in China town regularly, an etiquette I'd like to see adopted here.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 25, 2020, 06:23:09 AM
Watch this video, nurse in China tells you what's really going on. The deaths being reported are a mere fraction of what is really taking place.

Voice message from a medical staff in #Wuhan. "There are more than 100,000 infected. The government provides no medical supplies... People are dying right in front of our eyes...Don't EVER trust the government. We are on our own."

Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: supsalemgr on January 25, 2020, 08:57:24 AM
Watch this video, nurse in China tells you what's really going on. The deaths being reported are a mere fraction of what is really taking place.

Voice message from a medical staff in #Wuhan. "There are more than 100,000 infected. The government provides no medical supplies... People are dying right in front of our eyes...Don't EVER trust the government. We are on our own."


One thing that is consistent about communist countries - shortages of critical needs.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 25, 2020, 09:48:14 AM
One thing that is consistent about communist countries - shortages of critical needs.
They spent all their money on high speed rail and infrastructure and neglected their health care.
Now they''re scrambling to build two new hospitals in One Week? Cement doesn't even set up completely in a week, better be one floor hospitals....
Title: Patient Zero Never Ate At Wuhan Fish Market.
Post by: Solar on January 25, 2020, 02:49:28 PM
OK, this is getting weird now... Did it escape the lab?

No link with seafood market in first case of China coronavirus, Chinese scientists revealed

Researchers into initial cases find first person with symptoms had no contact with market where disease is believed to have originated
Call for preparedness against airborne transmission, including fitted respirators and other personal protective equipment

The first person known to have been infected by the Wuhan coronavirus had never visited the city’s seafood market – regarded as the epicentre of the outbreak – according to Chinese researchers, who also called for extra precautions against airborne transmission of the disease between humans.
The researchers, seven of whom work at Wuhan’s Jinyintan hospital, designated for patients with the illness, revealed on Friday in The Lancet medical journal that symptoms of the new disease were first reported on December 1 – much earlier than the Wuhan government’s initial announcement on December 31 of 27 cases of the pneumonia-like infection.
According to the report, the first patient had no exposure to the Huanan seafood market which was shut down on January 1 over fears – later confirmed – that the new virus was linked to its trade in wild animals. The researchers added that none of the patient’s family had developed fever or any respiratory symptoms. There was also no epidemiological link between the first patient and the later cases, they found.
The researchers analysed data from 41 patients with confirmed infections who had showed an onset of symptoms up to January 2. Six of those patients died, putting the fatality rate of the group at 15 per cent. The researchers noted that clinical presentations of the patients greatly resembled severe acute respiratory syndrome.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047636/doctors-warn-china-coronavirus-carriers-may-show-no-symptoms
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on January 25, 2020, 04:11:15 PM
When the President of China calls accelerating spread of the Coronavirus a "grave situation" then I believe they no answers to battle or contain this deadly outbreak.



Xi Jinping: Accelerating Spread of Coronavirus ‘Grave Situation’ — Suspends Tourist Travel Abroad

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2020/01/25/xi-jinping-accelerating-spread-of-coronavirus-grave-situation-suspends-tourist-travel-abroad/
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on January 25, 2020, 04:26:54 PM
I give these medical folks a lot of credit because I couldn't do it.....My father always told me "if you live twice it's okay but you only live once".

Wuhan doctor dies…



?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1220979618636845056&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.citizenfreepress.com%2Fbreaking%2Fwuhan-doctor-dies-after-contracting-virus-from-patient%2F
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 25, 2020, 05:12:18 PM
I give these medical folks a lot of credit because I couldn't do it.....My father always told me "if you live twice it's okay but you only live once".

Wuhan doctor dies…



?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1220979618636845056&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.citizenfreepress.com%2Fbreaking%2Fwuhan-doctor-dies-after-contracting-virus-from-patient%2F
Check it out. Taxed created a new Breaking News section and I've been flooding it with the latest news, long before the media picks it up.
Left side column, or if you're on mobile phone, it's the first thing that loads.

https://conservativehardliner.com/
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on January 25, 2020, 06:00:31 PM
Check it out. Taxed created a new Breaking News section and I've been flooding it with the latest news, long before the media picks it up.
Left side column, or if you're on mobile phone, it's the first thing that loads.

https://conservativehardliner.com/

Nice job taxed!
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: taxed on January 25, 2020, 09:54:07 PM
Nice job taxed!

Thanks!!!  It's working pretty good so far....
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 26, 2020, 05:27:36 AM

conservativepoliticalforum.com

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7m
#ch1 Flight Attendant Infected, Contagious Up To Two Weeks Before Symptomatic Signs
Think About That For a Moment...

Quote Tweet

ISCResearch
@ISCResearch
 · 1h
Austria: The first suspected case of infection with the #coronavirus has now been reported in #Vienna.

A flight attendant was brought to the hospital with flu symptoms.

#CoronavirusOutbreak
#WuhanCoronavirus
#Austria #nCoV2019

conservativepoliticalforum.com

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#ch Wuhan Nurse. 90 thousand Dead Or Infected?
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mtmsxx
@mtmsx5
 · 1h
I found this leaked video about this virus. #WuhanCoronavirus #CoronavirusOutbreak #coronavirus #WuhanVirus #VirusCorona #nCoV2019

Video with subtitles...
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 26, 2020, 11:48:57 AM
New Preliminary Study out says RO could be as high as 5.47.
RO means for every sick person, an 5.47 RO means 5.47 people can be affected.
Right now WHO claims are around 2.5 RO.

Abstract
Backgrounds: There has been a novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) pneumonia outbreak in China since December 2019, and which spreads internationally. This is the first study to quantify the basic reproduction number, R0, of 2019-nCoV in the early phase of the outbreak. Methods: Accounting for the impact of the variations in disease reporting rate, we modelled the epidemic curve of 2019-nCoV cases time series, in mainland China from January 10 to January 21, 2020, through the exponential growth. With the estimated intrinsic growth rate (γ), we estimated R0 by using the serial intervals (SI) of two other well-known coronavirus diseases, MERS and SARS, as approximations for the true unknown SI. Findings: The early outbreak data largely follows the exponential growth. We estimated that the mean R0 ranges from 3.30 (95%CI: 2.73-3.96) to 5.47 (95%CI: 4.16-7.10) associated with 0-fold to 2-fold increase in the reporting rate. With rising report rate, the mean R0 is likely to be below 5 but above 3. Conclusion: The mean estimate of R0 for the 2019-nCoV ranges from 3.30 (95%CI: 2.73-3.96) to 5.47 (95%CI: 4.16-7.10), and significantly larger than 1. Our findings indicate the potential of 2019-nCoV to cause outbreaks.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.23.916395v1
Title: Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program
Post by: Solar on January 26, 2020, 04:38:08 PM
If you've been following our Breaking News on conservativehardliner.com, you know I broached this possibility earlier.
Here's the thing, how can you patent something you only discovered? By mutating it, then you own it, and guess what? Bill Gates group own the patent on the Corona virus, the very one sickening the planet as we speak.
Taxed and I talked about this, we don't think it was deliberate, but somehow it escaped the lab in Wuhan, probably by a lowly employee mixing up hazardous wast with regular trash. I don't really know, just speculating.
One other point, China admitted the found patient zero, something you would know if you've been following hardliner, they said the patient had never visited the fresh water market..
Point is, this did not occur naturally. Let the conspiracies begin!

Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program

The deadly animal virus epidemic spreading globally may have originated in a Wuhan laboratory linked to China’s covert biological weapons program, according to an Israeli biological warfare expert.

Radio Free Asia this week rebroadcast a local Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced virus research laboratory known the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Radio Free Asia reported.

The laboratory is the only declared site in China capable of working with deadly viruses.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/

https://conservativehardliner.com
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 27, 2020, 08:39:50 AM
Oh man, I forgot the most important part of my point in the last post.
We know that Bill Gates is involved with the group who holds the patent on the Corona virus, Right? We also know that to place a patent on something that occurs naturally in the environment, one needs to genetically alter it in order to claim a patent.

Think about that. A weapons lab half run by the communist party China and half subsidized by private investors, one of which buys into the theory that man is destroying the planet via over population (say Hello Bill Gates).

You do the math. I'm still not saying this was deliberate, but the fact that they were possibly working on a doomsday virus should stop anyone in their tracks and question WTF is going on in China!
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 31, 2020, 02:53:31 PM
It was weaponized!

Now, a respected epidemiologist who recently caught flack for claiming in a twitter threat that the virus appeared to be much more contagious than initially believed is pointing out irregularities in the virus's genome that suggests it might have been genetically engineered for the purposes of a weapon, and not just any weapon but the deadliest one of all.

In "Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag", Indian researchers are baffled by segments of the virus's RNA that have no relation to other coronaviruses like SARS, and instead appear to be closer to HIV. The virus even responds to treatment by HIV medications.

(https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/HIV%20corona.jpg?itok=BNVvk8hi)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insertions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on January 31, 2020, 02:58:52 PM
U.S. declares public health emergency over coronavirus
Starting Sunday, passengers flying to the U.S. from Hubei province in China will be placed under a 14-day quarantine.

Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar on Friday declared a public health emergency over the new coronavirus.

Starting Sunday at 5 p.m. ET, all passengers on flights to the United States who have been in Hubei province in China in the last 14 days will be subject to up to 14 days of quarantine. The city of Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak, is located in Hubei.

Any U.S. citizen who has been in the rest of mainland China will be actively screened at one of seven airports for risk and evidence of symptoms. If no symptoms are detected, the individuals will be allowed to complete their travel home and will be monitored by local health departments in isolation at home.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/u-s-declares-public-health-emergency-over-coronavirus-n1127856
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 01, 2020, 07:09:38 PM
Coronavirus whistleblower punished for 'spreading rumors' now infected with disease

A Chinese doctor who warned about the coronavirus in December and was reprimanded by Chinese authorities for "spreading rumors" has been infected by the illness.

“After I sent the message, the police found me and made me sign an official letter of criticism,” Li recounted on Saturday.

Part of the document that Li was forced to sign as punishment read, "We solemnly warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice."

U.S. airlines shuttered travel to and from China after the World Health Organization and the Trump administration both declared the outbreak a "public health emergency." Sen. Tom Cotton called for an immediate travel ban with China and noted that Wuhan is "China's only biosafety level four super laboratory that works with the world's most deadly pathogens to include, yes, coronavirus."


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPsc_FqUEAAcB5x?format=jpg&name=small)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/coronavirus-whistleblower-punished-for-spreading-rumors-now-infected-with-disease
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 02, 2020, 07:36:43 AM
I want to point something out about the reporting from China. Their "official stats" :rolleyes: Claim a certain amount of deaths, then it claims a small portion of recovery victims, but in none if these releases do they say, Recovery From what?
Are these so called recoveries actually from the virus, or just the flu? No one has seen one of these Corona Virus patients come forth and say they actually recovered, all we have is CCP' dubious word that there's been a recovery.
I'm beginning to doubt these claims. Sure, there may be some, but they got the best care in the world, something hundreds of thousands of patients aren't getting in china.

The people know if they are sent home to recover, they are given a death sentence. I've been following this in depth long before the media even broached the topic, and I am not reading conspiracy sites, only searching out actual facts.
I'm telling you now, this is no ordinary virus, this is a weaponized strain designed to kill.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on February 02, 2020, 08:16:46 AM
I want to point something out about the reporting from China. Their "official stats" :rolleyes: Claim a certain amount of deaths, then it claims a small portion of recovery victims, but in none if these releases do they say, Recovery From what?
Are these so called recoveries actually from the virus, or just the flu? No one has seen one of these Corona Virus patients come forth and say they actually recovered, all we have is CCP' dubious word that there's been a recovery.
I'm beginning to doubt these claims. Sure, there may be some, but they got the best care in the world, something hundreds of thousands of patients aren't getting in china.

The people know if they are sent home to recover, they are given a death sentence. I've been following this in depth long before the media even broached the topic, and I am not reading conspiracy sites, only searching out actual facts.
I'm telling you now, this is no ordinary virus, this is a weaponized strain designed to kill.

Crap the Chinese are in full panic mode now. It's almost like what the hell have we done. Check out this video where drones are flying all over the place telling people to put on mask or don't come outside.

I can see this happening in Virginia with the gun control freaks coming for your guns.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-x_3r4FysE
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 02, 2020, 08:35:57 AM
Crap the Chinese are in full panic mode now. It's almost like what the hell have we done. Check out this video where drones are flying all over the place telling people to put on mask or don't come outside.

I can see this happening in Virginia with the gun control freaks coming for your guns.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-x_3r4FysE
I posted this and titled it "1984?" Thought it more appropriate. :blink:
People in Wuhan feel they have been sacrificed because even though medical supplies and masks have been donated, they are not being given out to the people.

1h
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@Gnews202064
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现在共产党杀人的意图好明显啊。看看武汉红十字会里的积压物资,就是不拿出来给人用,这摆明就是要杀人!
gnews.org

Translation below...

The Communist Party's intention to kill is obvious now. Take a look at the backlog of materials in the Wuhan Red Cross, which is not used for people's use, which shows that it is to kill!
This is a pic from the link showing medical supplies not being distributed.

(https://s3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/news.guo.offload.media/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/01233319/888.jpg)
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: supsalemgr on February 02, 2020, 09:18:25 AM
I posted this and titled it "1984?" Thought it more appropriate. :blink:
People in Wuhan feel they have been sacrificed because even though medical supplies and masks have been donated, they are not being given out to the people.

1h
你看透共产党了吗?赶紧醒来吧 https://gnews.org/zh-hans/100131/ via
@Gnews202064
你看透共产党了吗?赶紧醒来吧 - Gnews
现在共产党杀人的意图好明显啊。看看武汉红十字会里的积压物资,就是不拿出来给人用,这摆明就是要杀人!
gnews.org

Translation below...

The Communist Party's intention to kill is obvious now. Take a look at the backlog of materials in the Wuhan Red Cross, which is not used for people's use, which shows that it is to kill!
This is a pic from the link showing medical supplies not being distributed.

(https://s3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/news.guo.offload.media/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/01233319/888.jpg)

Please help me with the logic of this.

Their economy is on the verge of a collapse. Why in the world would they try to create a health crisis? It cannot hide the state of the economy. Now the world is on the verge of isolating China which escalates its economic problems.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 02, 2020, 09:24:42 AM
Please help me with the logic of this.

Their economy is on the verge of a collapse. Why in the world would they try to create a health crisis? It cannot hide the state of the economy. Now the world is on the verge of isolating China which escalates its economic problems.
I don't think this was done on purpose, I think the virus escaped through ineptness. But it is beginning to appear that the CCP is writing off the Wuhan district. Sure, a few are getting treated, but it is costing them a lot of money, in a system that was supposed to be free.
The CCP is seeing people strictly as numbers, what can be saved and how many supplies can be saved by not wasting them on people who are not going to survive.
CCP is playing a numbers game, good or bad, they have information no one else has and aren't hiding their intentions.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: joesixpack on February 03, 2020, 10:33:14 AM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/watch-as-coronavirus-spreads-china-builds-an-entire-hospital-in-10-days-2020-02-03?siteid=bulletrss

Click the link to see a time lapse video of China building a hospital from scratch in 10 days.   :scared:


This is supposedly to house the WuFlu people. It's pretty impressive how quickly that got done.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on February 03, 2020, 10:43:05 AM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/watch-as-coronavirus-spreads-china-builds-an-entire-hospital-in-10-days-2020-02-03?siteid=bulletrss

Click the link to see a time lapse video of China building a hospital from scratch in 10 days.   :scared:


This is supposedly to house the WuFlu people. It's pretty impressive how quickly that got done.

It took me a damn week to remodel just my 42" x 36" shower and these people put a whole hospital together in 10 days. No thanks I'll wear the mask.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 03, 2020, 11:18:11 AM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/watch-as-coronavirus-spreads-china-builds-an-entire-hospital-in-10-days-2020-02-03?siteid=bulletrss

Click the link to see a time lapse video of China building a hospital from scratch in 10 days.   :scared:


This is supposedly to house the WuFlu people. It's pretty impressive how quickly that got done.
Proof the CCP has been lying from day one. They put this in motion days before the outbreak really took off. What did they know, and when did they know it?
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 03, 2020, 02:04:14 PM
Check out this video. A worker filmed it. Also note the bars on the windows.


This second video which had also gone viral on the internet was filmed by an onsite construction worker, showing the completed quarantined hospital project called “Huo Sheng Shan” (The Fire God Mountain as direct English translation). In the video, he claimed that each individual unit is completely quarantined, but if a patient cannot be cured during the stay, the patient will be sent to a crematorium immediately. In addition, we can also see that each quarantine unit does not have its own bathroom, rather, it appears about 1 bathroom for every 4 quarantined units. In addition, the bathroom does not show any signs of having a toilet or shower. As a result, cross-infections between patients and potential patients are guaranteed, which equals certain death given the lack of medical staff and supplies across the country.

In conclusion, there is no doubt at the current stage, self-quarantine is still the best option for most of the average Chinese citizens. Normal hospitals in China were already at their limits, and this newly quarantine hospital is nothing but a cross-infection nightmare, given that bathrooms are shared among different patients.

As the rest of the world are working tirelessly to research new medicine that can potentially cure the novel coronavirus, and quarantine their existing patients and try their best to cure them; patients in China will only be quarantined and then get cross-infected.

In this dire hour, when millions of Chinese citizens are suffering, the only correct action for the CCP is to open all information and data regarding the novel coronavirus and at the same time unconditionally accept all assistance from countries around the world.

If CCP does not take action quickly(open the internet, tell the public the truth, etc), the casualties will only increase, until this virus does irreversible damage to the globe. And this is one more reason why the CCP must be destroyed in 2020, to prevent further damage to humanity, this year will be the year of reckoning.

Guess where these people will wind up?

https://s3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/news.guo.offload.media/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/03042107/aHkQZy6Eg4oRlcQJ.https://gnews.org/101337/



Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: MichaelJ on February 04, 2020, 07:09:43 AM
They are trying to minimize the impact to deter panic by purposely damping down the deaths and # of infected. I guarantee you there are well over 100,000 infected and deaths in the 1000-2000 range.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 04, 2020, 07:16:41 AM
They are trying to minimize the impact to deter panic by purposely damping down the deaths and # of infected. I guarantee you there are well over 100,000 infected and deaths in the 1000-2000 range.
I agree, and ten times the amount of deaths.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 04, 2020, 04:23:03 PM
Steve Bannon On Corona Virus.

Well worth the watch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=78&v=QSq4HBI0-eM&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 05, 2020, 09:52:18 AM

BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
NEW: Hong Kong investigating cruise ship with 1,800 people on board after learning that 3 former passengers were diagnosed with coronavirus; 30 crew members report symptoms - REU/RTHK
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 09, 2020, 05:10:04 PM
Coming Soon, To A City Near You?

Mainland China virus cases rise again after earlier decline

BEIJING (AP) — Mainland China has reported another rise in cases of the new virus after a sharp decline the previous day, while the number of deaths grow by 97 to 908, with at least two more outside the country.

On Monday, China’s health ministry said another 3,062 cases had been reported over the previous 24 hours, raising the Chinese mainland’s total to 40,171.

Earlier, France closed two schools after five British visitors contracted the virus at a ski resort. Malaysia, South Korea and Vietnam reported one new case each.

Meanwhile, the mother of a physician who died last week in the hardest-hit city of Wuhan said she wants an explanation from authorities who reprimanded her son for warning about the virus.

Monday’s rise was a turnaround from a significant reduction in new cases reported Sunday, 2,656, down by about 20% from the 3,399 new cases reported in the previous 24-hour period. That had prompted optimism that the “joint control mechanism of different regions and the strict prevention and control measures have worked,” in the words of a spokesman for the National Health Commission, Mi Feng.

Also Sunday, new cases were reported in Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, the U.K. and Spain. More than 360 cases have been confirmed outside mainland China.

https://apnews.com/b618953aee1c52b983b280f09488c2e0
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on February 12, 2020, 10:07:51 AM
Could this coronavirus have been an assassination attempt on the President of the United States of America Donald J. Trump......?

Now I'm no conspiracy nutjob but listening to Maria Bartiromo of Fox News report on this is a little freighting. After all everything is leading to the coronavirus being a weapons grade virus.

Now I really don't watch Maria Bartiromo or Fox News but my understanding is she is straight up with her reporting.  Maria Bartiromo didn't come out and state this as fact but I was trying to read between the lines and it seems plausible to me or am I some kind of conspiracy nutjob or just a lying dog-faced pony soldier........ :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edpG-dIZhQk
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 12, 2020, 10:42:50 AM
Could this coronavirus have been an assassination attempt on the President of the United States of America Donald J. Trump......?

Now I'm no conspiracy nutjob but listening to Maria Bartiromo of Fox News report on this is a little freighting. After all everything is leading to the coronavirus being a weapons grade virus.

Now I really don't watch Maria Bartiromo or Fox News but my understanding is she is straight up with her reporting.  Maria Bartiromo didn't come out and state this as fact but I was trying to read between the lines and it seems plausible to me or am I some kind of conspiracy nutjob or just a lying dog-faced pony soldier........ :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edpG-dIZhQk
If China was targeting the world with a weaponized virus, they totally fucked up. They targeted their own people.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 13, 2020, 03:28:22 PM
Buckle Up, It Could Be A Bumpy Ride...

In Shocking Admission, WHO Advisor Says Coronavirus May Infect Over 5 Billion People

In recent days, Dr. Tedros, the WHO's director-general, has warned that we might be seeing only "the tip of the iceberg" in terms of cases, and that a new rash of infections in Europe could lead to another widespread outbreak.

Longini based his numbers on an r-sub-zero of between 2 and 3, meaning that the average infected person will spread the virus to two or three other people.

In recent days, growing attention has been paid to the lack of reliable virus tests, not just in China, but in virtually all countries where the virus has spread. The difficulties in diagnosing the virus could mean we see another sudden surge of cases - but this time, it could be even larger than last night's dump from officials in Hubei.

Even if we could find a way to reduce the virus's ability to spread by half, it would could still wind up infecting more than 2 billion people.

"Unless the transmissibility changes, surveillance and containment can only work so well," Longini, co-director of the Center for Statistics and Quantitative Infectious Diseases at the University of Florida, said in an interview at WHO headquarters in Geneva. “Isolating cases and quarantining contacts is not going to stop this virus."

Longini, a researcher and scientist who has spent his entire career focusing on infectious diseases, is hardly the only scientist making dire warnings.

Neil Ferguson, a researcher at Imperial College London, estimated that as many as 50,000 people may be infected each day in China, and more recently warned that we could still be in the "preliminary stages" of the outbreak.

More...
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/shocking-admission-who-advisor-says-coronavirus-may-infect-over-5-billion-people
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on February 13, 2020, 04:22:09 PM
Being of Italian descent and loving everything garlic remember this 90% of garlic comes from China. Make sure your garlic is coming from California.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 13, 2020, 05:43:40 PM
Being of Italian descent and loving everything garlic remember this 90% of garlic comes from China. Make sure your garlic is coming from California.
There's a lot of truth in that. I've been careful opening packages. Scientists say the virus can live for at least 5 days without a host.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: The D-Man on February 16, 2020, 01:13:53 PM
355 total cases on one cruise ship. That's a lot of people in one place.

70 more people diagnosed with coronavirus on quarantined cruise ship in Japan
The Hill, February 16, 2020
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/483300-70-more-people-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-on-quarantined-cruise-ship-in

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Seventy more people were diagnosed with coronavirus on the cruise ship quarantined in Japan, Reuters reported Sunday.

The new cases bring the total number on the ship to 355, which is the most anywhere outside of China, where the virus originated, according to the newswire.

The U.S. said Saturday it will send a chartered flight to Japan to evacuate more than 400 Americans on board the quarantined Diamond Princess.

More than 3,000 passengers are on board the ship that has been quarantined since Feb. 5.

Canada, South Korea, Hong Kong and Italy have also announced flights to bring their citizens homes from the Diamond Princess, according to Reuters.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 16, 2020, 01:26:25 PM
355 total cases on one cruise ship. That's a lot of people in one place.

70 more people diagnosed with coronavirus on quarantined cruise ship in Japan
The Hill, February 16, 2020
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/483300-70-more-people-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-on-quarantined-cruise-ship-in
Ya know what's sad? There are still 44 Americans still on board sick, so it looks like it's becoming a hospital ship...
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: The D-Man on February 17, 2020, 09:02:28 AM
It's starting to get ridiculous now. Total of 454 cases on that ship. Does the flu spread that easily?

Quote
Officials have confirmed another 99 cases of novel coronavirus on a quarantined cruise ship docked in Japan’s port of Yokohama.

The new cases bring the confirmed infections on board the ship to 454.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/483360-99-more-cases-of-coronavirus-confirmed-on-cruise-ship
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 17, 2020, 09:12:25 AM
It's starting to get ridiculous now. Total of 454 cases on that ship. Does the flu spread that easily?
Apparently so. There is a huge apartment complex in Hong Kong about 30 stories high, where they wound up evacuating it due to WUFLU spreading through leaked sewer gas in the plumbing.
So it became an aerosol vapor/gas that infected apartments from the top floor down.
I'll look for the story, but since it was only up for a day, it was probably killed by the CCP.
Title: WUFLU Isn't a Flu?
Post by: Solar on February 17, 2020, 07:00:57 PM
I'm not going to say this is true, nor will I claim it to be false, you decide.
I'm posting it intact, just in case it disappears.


I am a senior Chinese military intelligence officer and I know the truth about the coronavirus outbreak. It is far worse than the media are telling you.
I am a Chinese citizen in Wuhan who occupies — or perhaps occupied — a high-ranking position in military intelligence. I am also a member of the Chinese Communist Party. As a senior official near the top of the Party, I have access to a great deal of classified information and I have been involved in many top secret government projects. I have a doctorate from a leading university in a western country, which is why I am able to write my account in English.

I have information that I believe could lead to the overthrow of my government. It is also relevant to billions of people outside of China, all of whom are now in existential peril.

It will not surprise you to hear that if my identity were to be revealed, my life would be in grave danger, as would those of my wife and son. I ask you to respect the fact that I have stripped out of this account all facts that would make it easy to identify me.

By now you will be familiar with the recent outbreak of 2019-nCoV, also known as NCP, or simply "coronavirus". You will have heard that it originated in Wuhan, an industrial city in China, and that it came from an animal — most likely a bat or a pangolin — that was sold in a wild animal market. You will have been told that it is an influenza-like illness that can in severe cases cause pneumonia, respiratory failure and death. Finally, you may have heard that although the disease is highly infectious, it is dangerous only to the elderly or to those who have a compromised immune system. The official lethality rate is approximately 2% or so.

All of that is a bunch of lies concocted by the Chinese state with the tacit support of the U.S. deep state and its friends in the European Union, Russia and Australia, and spread by the docile media in all of those countries.

Let me start by telling you that the world does not operate the way you think it does. Although countries like the US and China vie for global dominance, that competition is restricted to certain limited areas. In most ways, the two countries are more interested in cooperation so that they can stop other competing countries from gaining more power. They also have a shared interest in keeping real power out of the hands of their "ordinary" citizens. To this end, they have many different mechanisms by which they control the overwhelming majority of their media outlets. The Americans in particular have perfected the art of creating made-up "divisions" between their two main parties which are designed to hide the fact that both serve the same masters.

These same nations also posses technology that is far more advanced than you can imagine and which is kept carefully hidden from public view. This includes advanced artificial intelligence capable of undermining and deciding any election in the world; biological and chemical agents that can manipulate and control the thinking patterns and behaviours of citizens to terrifying degrees; highly sophisticated manipulation techniques using hypnotic practices entirely unknown to the public; and other things that I will not go into now. My point is that the great nations do not compete so much as work together. Their principal goal is to shield the true workings of the world from the "uninitiated" public.

Just to give you one example, there aren’t actually any nuclear weapons anywhere in the world. The U.S. and the Soviet Union scrapped them all in the 1970s, as did their client states. Everyone realised that those weapons could not be used without destroying the whole world, so there was no need for them; but by pretending that they still had them, the big players were able to keep the non-nuclear powers in line.

Let me return to the virus.

Last year, large-scale anti-government protests erupted in Hong Kong. The Standing Committee of the Chinese Communist Party considered these to be a grave threat to the integrity and stability of the motherland. The U.S. government and the EU both knew that the Chinese were secretly working on a biological agent that was supposed to make the protesters docile and obedient. Without going into detail, I worked on that project. We tried to develop a sort of spray that could be dispersed from helicopters or drones and that would lead to mental retardation and behavioural change.

Naturally, as Hong Kong is one of the most open and international cities in the world, the Party decided that it was too risky to release the agent in Hong Kong without first testing it. For this, it needed a great number of human guinea pigs. Two groups were identified for this.

First, we rounded up a large number of so-called "islamic radicals" in Xinjiang Province and took them to what we called "training camps". We had already been using these camps for human experimentation for several years, but the Hong Kong protests meant that we redoubled our efforts. We exposed the inmates to various "alpha" experimental agents. As these were odourless and invisible, the subjects were not aware that they were taking part in medical trials. The resulting high rates of cancer, premature dementia, suicidal depression and death by organ failure could easily be suppressed, as the camps are located in very remote parts of our motherland.

Once the initial experiments had yielded a "beta" agent, it was transported to Hubei Province, where it was deployed in a special military testing facility outside the city of Wuhan. This was not even a particularly well-kept secret: the existence of this facility has been reported in international news. Even the fact that it is located close to the wild animal market is a known fact.

By then our President had already introduced a "social credit" system that allowed us to identify disloyal, counter-revolutionary and bourgeois elements in our society. Using the social credit scores — which are taken from online activity, electronic shopping behaviour and reports from informers in civil society — we selected some of the worst offenders. These included human rights lawyers and activists, Christians, homosexuals, artists, intellectuals, people who speak foreign languages, and other undesirables.

Once these troublemakers had been collected and placed in the testing facility, we exposed them to the Agent, which is biochemical in nature and spread in an invisible aerosol, akin to certain viruses. Initial results were encouraging, as we saw significant cognitive decline and reduction in higher mental processing facilities. Essentially, our undesirables were becoming mildly mentally disabled, which is precisely the effect we wanted to produce in order to pacify the restive population of Hong Kong.

Unfortunately, it quickly became apparent that the Agent also had other effects. About one week after the retardation set in, our subjects developed major anxiety and panic attacks. Eventually they developed symptoms akin to those of paranoid schizophrenics. At that point, their bodies rapidly deteriorated. They developed massive internal bleeding; the walls of their arteries dissolved; they bled out of their eyes and orifices, and their tissue disintegrated.

To put it in a more direct Western manner, they started to melt.

Death usually occurred through multiple organ failure. This was preceded by at least five days of severe agony which could not be alleviated by painkillers. It was at this time that I first violated our protocol: one subject, an elderly lady who had published defamatory cartoons of our President, begged me for death with such insistence that I took pity and shot her. I was reprimanded, but fortunately the complaint was dropped when I agreed to reimburse the cost of the bullet. I swore to myself never again to show such unnecessary emotion.

We decided that our Agent was unusable. It was far too destructive for our purposes. We wanted the population of Hong Kong to submit to us; we did not want to exterminate it.

Naturally, our American friends had by then taken an interest in our work and asked us for a sample for their own research and testing purposes. They hinted that they wished to use it to resolve certain difficulties in Venezuela. Normally we would have agreed, as we maintain friendly relations with the CIA, but given the extremely toxic nature of the Agent, we declined.

This, as it turned out, was a grave mistake. The CIA was convinced that we had developed something very powerful and wanted to keep it to ourselves. They offered a great deal of money to one of our researchers. Foolishly, he agreed to sell them a specimen. We found out just in time for the handover and tried to stop it from happening. In the ensuing shoot-out — don’t bother to look for it in the news, it was never reported anywhere — several dozen people were killed.

More importantly, however, the Agent escaped.

The shoot-out took place at the wild animal market which has been reported as the location of the "animal to human" transmission that started the outbreak. But of course there was no such transmission; it was just the location where the CIA was supposed to receive the sealed vial containing the Agent. The vial shattered when it was dropped by the traitor who had agreed to sell it to the Americans.

By now I understand you will be sceptical. If I really am who I say I am, why would I be sharing this information on the internet? Let me assure you that I am no friend of the Western system of governance. I love my motherland and I am loyal to the Communist Party. It has lifted hundreds of millions of my compatriots out of squalor and poverty. However, I am also a human being and I have a conscience.

Most importantly, I have a wife and a son.

Once we realised that the Agent had escaped and would start to spread, we swiftly put all of Wuhan into lockdown. I was one of those tasked to manage the fallout of the contamination. Of course we could not keep such a huge undertaking secret, so we decided to order our state media to report that a "coronavirus" had broken out in Wuhan.

In reality, of course, there is no "coronavirus". It was all made up.

It was one of my colleagues who came up with the genius idea of pretending that people with the common flu suffered from the coronavirus. This allowed us to hide the true nature of the disease. Let me explain.

It is currently flu season in China. When we realised that we could no longer control the spread of the Agent, we sent our men to all the hospitals and instructed all doctors to diagnose every case of the common flu as "coronavirus". We came up with a new name — 2019-nCoV — and handed out "factsheets" that described a made-up illness.

The result of this decision was that tens of thousands of individuals who were simply suffering from a cold or flu were now diagnosed as having a mysterious coronavirus that, although infectious, was not often lethal. While this frightened the public, it allowed us to push the narrative that the disease was not that deadly; it also gave us time to prepare for the catastrophe that was sure to come by imposing a lockdown on Wuhan and other cities in Hubei Province.

You have not heard this in the news — and given the size of Wuhan, with its population of 11 million, it is not known even to many of the residents — but within days thousands upon thousands were infected and before long they suffered the agonising deaths that I have already described. Within a week, there were so many corpses that we did not know what to do with them, so we ordered the surviving social credit prisoners to drive the bodies into the countryside and bury them in mass graves. But it was very difficult to keep this activity secret, and we could not even keep up as there were so many corpses. We planted a story that five million residents had "fled" Wuhan. In reality, of course, many of those people had died from the Agent.

I was working around the clock helping to orchestrate this cover-up. When I think back to my actions now, I feel great shame. At the time I still believed that I was fighting for my motherland and that the rule of the Party was right and just. But deep down, I had already begun to have doubts.

My faith in the Party was shaken even more deeply when I learnt what had happened to Dr Li Wenliang. He was one of the few doctors who refused falsely to diagnose flu patients with the "coronavirus". As a punishment, he was sent to help transport dead bodies to mass graves. The expectation was that he would be infected with the Agent and die an agonising death, but to our great surprise, he did not contract the illness.

You have of course read that he died of "coronavirus". You have been misinformed. A sergeant of the People’s Armed Police injected him with a mixture of heroin and mercury that caused his lungs to deflate.

When I found out about this I became unsure whether or not I was doing the right thing. While I believe that it is appropriate for a government to rule with a severe hand, I do not think that it was right to kill Dr Li. He was a compassionate and kind man and he cared about his patients; how can our motherland not benefit from having such a doctor?

I shared my concerns with my wife, but she convinced me that I should not say anything to my superiors. She said that it was too dangerous; that they valued loyalty above everything else; and that I would only find trouble if I admitted to my doubts about their practices. She also pointed out that we benefited from priority medical treatment. As senior officials, we received regular supplies of the highly-sophisticated hazmat masks that are the only known technology that can prevent infection. She implored me to think of our son, who is still small. If I spoke out and were caught, our lives would be at risk.

Around the same time, it became clear that the Agent was entirely beyond our control. It was spreading like wildfire throughout Hubei Province and beyond, infecting tens of millions and causing them all to die.

I understand that what I just said is difficult to believe, because you have been told that there have been only about 50,000 infections, and far fewer deaths. But these are the influenza infections that have been falsely passed off as the non-existent "coronavirus". The Agent is far, far more contagious than that, and its fatality rate, unlike the "coronavirus", is not 2%.

No, its fatality rate is 100%. Nobody recovers from it. Everybody who contracts it dies.

And a lot of people are contracting it.

Hubei Province lies in ruins. The various travel restrictions and lockdowns that have been imposed were not created to stop the spread of the Agent — none of them can stop it, not embargoes, not face masks or hand sanitiser — but to stop the survivors from seeing the catastrophe with their own eyes.

I am part of the greatest cover-up in human history: the hiding of the deaths of tens of millions. Very soon, Hubei Province will be no more than a giant mortuary, and the truth will come out.

For me, the turning point came when the Party told yet another lie, and that lie was too dreadful even for me to accept. You may have heard that China built a new hospital, called Huoshenshan Hospital, in Wuhan, in order to provide additional quarantine and isolation facilities for infected patients. You may have heard that they built it in only ten days.

That too is a lie.

Sure, they did build something in six days. But it was not a hospital. The true nature of the building was top secret. Initially, I was naive enough to believe that the Party was demonstrating its compassion and care for the people. But then my superiors sent me to Huoshenshan. I was shown around the installation by a military police officer called Corporal Meng (this is not his real name). It was there that I saw the truth.

As I have mentioned, the only way to protect oneself from the Agent is by wearing a special protective mask that is entirely unlike those available commercially. Even medical professionals do not have access to it. It is available only to biomedical warfare researchers and it contains extremely advanced technology.

These masks need to be kept at a particular temperature to offer full protection, and lose their effectiveness very quickly. As I have also already said, one of the benefits of my position was that both my family and I had access to regular supplies, which is why were safe when compared to civilians, doctors and even lower-level government officials, all of whom wore utterly ineffective surgical masks in the misguided belief that they would protect them.

And so, wearing this special equipment, I went to Huoshenshan with Corporal Meng.

Whatever you want to call that place, it is not a hospital. Sure, the entrance looks like a hospital and in the ward at the front of the complex, there are what appear to be normal medical beds. There, thousands of infected patients lie, all of them in the early stages of the disease. I walked along those long, white corridors next to Corporal Meng, his angular face dispassionate in his military fatigues, and saw hundreds upon hundreds of identical hospital beds on which squirmed the terrified and diseased inhabitants of Wuhan. Their cries and pleas haunt me in the long nights in which I now am unable to sleep.

But this was merely the beginning. Eventually the Corporal took me to the rear of this front section. There, locked metal gates led to what he called the "middle section". The patients in the front are unaware of its existence. It is there that the more advanced cases are kept, in what most closely resembles a mental asylum.

Immediately upon entering this part of Huoshenshan I was struck by the dim lighting and stench of vomit and human waste. Here the unfortunates roamed freely, their minds gradually disintegrating in endless panic attacks and psychotic episodes. Here too there were no more doctors, merely gorilla-faced men in black uniforms who belonged to some secret branch of the military police I had never heard of.

They appeared to have been selected for their cruelty, for they beat and degraded the patients in the most sadistic manner. Many of the inmates had regressed to childlike states and lay on the floor weeping like infants and begging for compassion that they did not receive. There was cruel pleasure in the eyes of these thugs as they brutalised the unfortunates. They beat them with batons, sprayed pepper spray into their eyes and kicked them with their steel-capped boots. As I was from military intelligence, the guards did not even attempt to hide their activities. They even invited me to join; in every way, they treated me as one of them.

Yes, one of them. I stood in the grey staff bathroom of Huoshenshan and looked into a cheap mirror and asked myself — is this really what you are? Are you really like them?

But the violence was not merely an expression of sadism, for the poor inmates were not there to be cared for.

They were there to work.

There was one more set of doors, and beyond them lay what the Corporal called the "Core". And it was there that I saw it — piles and piles of dead bodies, stacked on top of one another all the way to the ceiling. There were men, women and children, elderlies and toddlers, rich and poor, beautiful and misshapen, proud and humble.

They were all of them dead. Our Agent made no distinction between any of them.

I gasped when the Corporal led me to the Core. I cannot count how many there were, but it was many, many thousands. And in the midst of the piles of corpses was a kind of path, and I heard a roaring sound in the distance. The miserable patients from the middle section picked up the dead and carried and dragged them away into the dark, even as the guards beat them with truncheons.

It took me a little while before I grasped what was happening. I simply could not believe what lay at the end of that path in the Core.

It was an enormous furnace, with great fires roaring within.

One by one, their minds destroyed and their bodies twisted, the dying men and women carried the corpses to the furnace and cast them inside in a doomed attempt to hide the dreadful truth. I saw several of them collapse from exhaustion only for their lifeless bodies to be added to the mountains of corpses on both sides. In a seemingly endless line they went, their emaciated bodies clad in grey overalls, their backs bent under the weight of their dreadful cargo. Many howled and groaned in terror and their voices joined in a sorrowful cacophony that lingered over the roar of the fires.

In deep shock, I stared at the boundless horror before me. Beside me stood Corporal Meng, his freshly-shaved face as emotionless as before. When I turned to face him, he looked at me. His mouth smiled, but his eyes did not.

"We use the energy to operate Huoshenshan," he said. "We save the state considerable resources in this way. And look," — he waved at the gallery of the dead — "there are so many of them here. You could almost describe it as renewable energy." He laughed and waved his hand in a strangely camp gesture.

I stood speechless and stared at the infernal scenes before me. Men in black uniforms screamed like daemons at the wretches who were disposing of the corpses for them. They stripped the dead of anything that had value — jewellery, cash, expensive clothing — and tossed these items onto an enormous pile next to the furnace. When I asked the Corporal what would be done with the items, they said that they would be used to pay for the "healthcare expenses" incurred by the patients’ stay in Huoshenshan.

I vomited in the toilet. When I flushed and came out of the stall, Corporal Meng stood by the door and looked at me. His face was as blank as before, but in his eyes I thought I registered a very faint trace of contempt. You are ten years my senior, the look said, but you are soft.

I thanked him for his service and went home.

When I arrived, I saw that I had received hundreds of updates on the encrypted device the Party uses to communicate to insiders. The news were unimaginably grim. The State Legal and Economic Commission had allocated funds for the construction of dozens of facilities like Huoshenshan all throughout China. The Agent had spread not only to every single province of the motherland, but to most other nations in the world. Fortunately, we had agreements in place with other governments — they agreed to pretend that the infections were due to a coronavirus. They were just as worried as we were that a panic might break out in their countries. The Americans in particular were terrified that the S&P 500 might decline. This, they said, would be unacceptable in an election year, so we could count on their full support.

Of course the World Health Organisation also helped us. For a long time, the only issue with the WHO has been that we have been locked in a contest with the Americans about who bribes them more. They released all sorts of sophisticated misinformation about having decoded the DNA of the so-called coronavirus. All this has allowed us to stave off a global panic.

For now.

Yet the situation was worsening with astonishing speed. I am reluctant to reveal too much on this point, as it would make it too easy for my enemies to identify me, but we quickly began to implement measures to protect our most senior leaders. If you look at the world news, you will see that Xi Jinping, our President, disappeared for approximately one week after the outbreak, before being seen again with the leader of Cambodia.

You should know that the person who met the Cambodian leader was not President Xi. It was a body double who had, for many years, been trained to look and sound just like our President. President Xi is of course not careless enough to risk his own death. He is safely ensconced in a secret bunker underneath Zhongnanhai, the headquarters of the Party in Beijing.

Nor was he the only leader who is in hiding. In fact, I can assure you that over half of all senior Party members are currently being imitated by trained actors who are following instructions given to them via special implants. Do you really think that our Prime Minister would risk his life by going to Wuhan?

All of this means that our government has become utterly paralysed and the functions of the state have been taken over by the military.

It became clear to me that our efforts were pointless. Yes, the lockdowns, travel bans and targeted assassinations of rebellious journalists allowed us to hide the true situation in Wuhan; but I knew that this would not last. Once the mass deaths begin in the rest of the world — in our estimation, this should happen within the next week or so — everyone will know the truth. It will become clear that we cannot protect ourselves from the Agent. Surgical masks, hand sanitiser, gloves — nothing can stop it. Nothing except the special hazmat masks, but those cannot be produced in anything like sufficient quantities. You, an ordinary person, will never even receive one, let alone a sufficient number to see you through the coming holocaust.

For those of you reading this, therefore, all I can suggest is that you keep your loved ones close to you. Hug them, tell them what they mean to you. Enjoy the time you have left with them. It is not typical in Chinese culture to express one’s feelings in this way, but I have learnt the importance of such gestures.

I promised my wife that I would show this document to her before I posted it.

Yet I broke my word.

I hear her weep in loud, hoarse sobs in the bedroom, and the keyboard of my laptop is wet with my own tears. Not long ago, we received results of the regular tests that are part of our "priority medical treatment", and we learnt that my son had been infected with the Agent.

The military police that has supplied me with the special protective mask had been giving expired and ineffective masks to my son, masks that senior officials had already worn and then discarded when they ceased to protect them. My own masks, on the other hand, had always been of the necessary quality.

I suppose they decided that my son was of lower priority than me. I suppose my son could not help them with their cover-up.

We had long ago decided that we would be different — we would be honest with him, always. And so when he asked us, we told him the truth. We told him that he was very sick. He asked more, and we told him he would not get better.

He continued asking, and we told him that he would die. He is very small, but he was old enough to understand.

His terrified wails will haunt me for the rest of my miserable days in this world.

Let them come. Let them do with me as they will. I no longer care.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nosleep/comments/f2b07y/i_am_a_senior_chinese_military_intelligence/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Possum on February 18, 2020, 04:56:23 AM
I'm a little skeptical of the article, but it did make me wonder about one question, would China go to this extreme to destroy wall street? Everyone hates a panic, wall street especially. China needs to cut back on population anyway???? 
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 18, 2020, 06:46:35 AM
I'm a little skeptical of the article, but it did make me wonder about one question, would China go to this extreme to destroy wall street? Everyone hates a panic, wall street especially. China needs to cut back on population anyway????
Yeah, come off with a lot of embellishment, but much of it screams truth. Like I said, I have no idea if it's real or fake, but it was an interesting read.
We'll know soon enough if the world can't hide the deaths any longer. If his claims of incurable don't come to fruition, we'll know it was total BS.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Possum on February 18, 2020, 06:51:46 AM
Yeah, come off with a lot of embellishment, but much of it screams truth. Like I said, I have no idea if it's real or fake, but it was an interesting read.
We'll know soon enough if the world can't hide the deaths any longer. If his claims of incurable don't come to fruition, we'll know it was total BS.
Hate to say it, but the main reason I am skeptical is if he is telling the truth, we are screwed.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 18, 2020, 07:08:20 AM
Hate to say it, but the main reason I am skeptical is if he is telling the truth, we are screwed.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm with ya brother...
The main thing that made doubt the credibility of the author was his claim that we did away with nukes. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Possum on February 18, 2020, 08:17:03 AM
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/02/how_xis_bungling_has_devastated_chinas_military_capabilities_.html

From the article talking about effects from the virus
Quote
But the hit to China’s economy is real and huge. Coal consumption is half what it should be at this point after the end of the lunar new year holidays. A ir pollution, as measured by satellites, is down 20% to 50%.
When air pollution is down that much, ain't much happening. Meant to mention on an earlier post about the other article posted by Solar, is Xi still alive? If the economy is hit that bad, and china losing face all over the world, it would not suprise me if he is replaced.





Greta should be happy.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 18, 2020, 09:41:22 AM
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/02/how_xis_bungling_has_devastated_chinas_military_capabilities_.html

From the article talking about effects from the virus When air pollution is down that much, ain't much happening. Meant to mention on an earlier post about the other article posted by Solar, is Xi still alive? If the economy is hit that bad, and china losing face all over the world, it would not suprise me if he is replaced.





Greta should be happy.
Pollution? Only to be replaced with:

https://www.ccn.com/coronavirus-death-smog-is-china-burning-thousands-of-infected-bodies/
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: MichaelJ on February 18, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
While I don't buy the entirety of that article, I think there is some kernels of truth(s) in there. It is highly, highly, highly likely that they are downplaying both the number of infected and deaths, as well as the seriousness of the illness. If a virus had been "manufactured" in a Bio weapon facility it could have greatly intensified the effects, or even caused a mutation, of what was an ordinary treatable virus making it very hard now to treat. If this is the case, we could see over 50 million deaths worldwide and possibly more until we get a better handle on what they combined this virus with. Not claiming doomsday is coming but this is very scary in the near (1-2 years) term
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 18, 2020, 10:19:15 AM
While I don't buy the entirety of that article, I think there is some kernels of truth(s) in there. It is highly, highly, highly likely that they are downplaying both the number of infected and deaths, as well as the seriousness of the illness. If a virus had been "manufactured" in a Bio weapon facility it could have greatly intensified the effects, or even caused a mutation, of what was an ordinary treatable virus making it very hard now to treat. If this is the case, we could see over 50 million deaths worldwide and possibly more until we get a better handle on what they combined this virus with. Not claiming doomsday is coming but this is very scary in the near (1-2 years) term

https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 18, 2020, 12:01:42 PM
A little news that went predominantly unreported.

https://www.ccn.com/coronavirus-death-smog-is-china-burning-thousands-of-infected-bodies/
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 19, 2020, 01:57:42 PM
I'm telling you folks, they're lying to us, including our own govt to avert panic. But it's sooo damned obvious this is not your ordinary flu, it's far deadlier!

China deploys 40 incinerators to Wuhan amid fears of coronavirus death toll 'cover up'


(https://i2-prod.dailystar.co.uk/incoming/article21529089.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_e181ed39a9b949047d41f90c2f02e5b3566c8968.jpg)

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/china-deploys-40-incinerators-wuhan-21529067
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 20, 2020, 05:53:41 PM
Don't think it's bad in China? This what you call "At Your Wits End...

https://www.brighteon.com/e521ae50-337b-4bf8-8d7c-eb73d59acc0d
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 20, 2020, 06:37:16 PM
WTF???

You have to see this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIvDQuDeEaM
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 23, 2020, 08:03:45 AM
European CDC on coronavirus: "As the situation is rapidly evolving, more cases are expected in Italy, and possibly in the EU, in the coming days."

Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on February 23, 2020, 08:12:52 AM
I am not very PC  :lol: 
Every time I see a raghead I turn around and walk the other way now.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 23, 2020, 08:37:30 AM
I am not very PC  :lol: 
Every time I see a raghead I turn around and walk the other way now.
I haven't seen one in years.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 23, 2020, 08:37:47 AM
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: taxed on February 23, 2020, 01:15:18 PM
This was posted in January... consider Italy right now:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/241674007
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: taxed on February 23, 2020, 01:16:34 PM
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Remember, the most optimistic prediction at this point is 60,000 people are going to get killed in the next few months. It's highly infectious with an R6, probable chance of further mutations, infectious during the prodromal phase, and it's airborne. The only reason you're not already seeing thousands of people confirmed outside of China yet is because the incubation period but believe me the WHO is already talking about how "problematic" modeling the Chinese response in Western countries is going to be, and the first country they want to try it out in is Italy. If it begins a large outbreak in a major Italian city they want to work through the Italian authorities and world health organizations to begin locking down Italian cities in a vain attempt to slow down the spread at least until they can develop and distribute vaccines, which btw is where you need to start investing.

The not just bad but scary case scenario is that they fail to contain it and that it also mutates in South America. This is going to be far, far worse than the Spanish flu if that happens and it's going to completely crash the global economy. This is concerned by world health authorities to be "only" 20.6-7% probable of happening however so as far as they're concerned they're taking it one step at a time not to start a panic, but it is estimated a one in five chance of over a hundred million people dying in the next year. Redfield is aware of this along with some other top American CDC staff and triaging the situation the situation according to that logic. Ask Kyle about this when you've got a chance. European health authorities do not seem fully debriefed on all this yet but WHO as far as I'm aware is where the numbers themselves mostly originated along with the models.
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 23, 2020, 01:31:27 PM
This was posted in January... consider Italy right now:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/241674007
I knew about this three weeks before I started this thread, but at the time there wasn't enough info out there to make any sense of it.
We now know it's essentially an unreported pandemic, and I have to agree with your link, it is to avert a panic.

But I'll say what I've been saying fall along, now is the time to get prepared. Face masks are fine, but even better is an actual gas mask, or a high quality carbon filter dust face/mask with a shitload of filters, yes, they actually plug up rather quickly.
Tyvek and mechanics disposable gloves.  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0008EZIS2/ref=dp_cerb_1

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61YnH5w5oJL._SL1500_.jpg)

Thing is, it's not a waste of money, you can always use all of this at some point.
Title: Re: COVID-19 known as, WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 23, 2020, 02:51:11 PM
She has the virus, shows no signs, feels fine, but they won't let her leave.
This is what is known as a super carrier. In other words, until she no longer shows signs of the virus, she won't be leaving any time soon, if ever.
This is the most recent update I could find on her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93dvy9wkxLI
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: taxed on February 23, 2020, 03:27:14 PM
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6135159896001?playlist_id=3386055101001#sp=show-clips
Title: Re: COVID-19 known as, WUFLU (coronavirus)
Post by: taxed on February 23, 2020, 03:32:58 PM
She has the virus, shows no signs, feels fine, but they won't let her leave.
This is what is known as a super carrier. In other words, until she no longer shows signs of the virus, she won't be leaving any time soon, if ever.
This is the most recent update I could find on her.


WTF honey... It's a goddamn pandemic.  What does she expect?
Title: Re: COVID-19 known as, WUFLU (coronavirus)
Post by: Solar on February 23, 2020, 03:59:16 PM
WTF honey... It's a goddamn pandemic.  What does she expect?
Here ya go Taxed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd7mR3rjsp8

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — The incubation period for the Wuhan coronavirus (2019-nCoV) can last up to 24 days, according to a study by renowned Chinese pulmonologist Zhong Nanshan (鍾南山).

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3874223
Title: Re: COVID-19 known as, WUFLU (coronavirus)
Post by: taxed on February 23, 2020, 06:34:24 PM
Here ya go Taxed!


TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — The incubation period for the Wuhan coronavirus (2019-nCoV) can last up to 24 days, according to a study by renowned Chinese pulmonologist Zhong Nanshan (鍾南山).

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3874223

Good Lord.......
Title: Re: WUFLU
Post by: Robnur on February 24, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
WTF are they eating so much dog and cat for? Is there a demand for it or something? Have they developed a taste? Why is PETA wasting their time here with stuff like this going on? Prbly just like the environmentalists who focus on the USA and ignore the bigger problem in china.


Is there anything those people won't eat? This is disgusting.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 24, 2020, 01:08:55 PM
WHO Warns Of Soon To Be Be Pandemic... Took these idiots long enough~~~


https://www.france24.com/en/20200224-as-coronavirus-spreads-who-urges-world-to-prepare-for-potential-pandemic?ref=tw_i

Here's the CYA video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqLE5-mQL1M&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 24, 2020, 01:31:26 PM
Don't think for a second were going through this unscathed. Be prepared, you don't want to deal with this shit.

Title: White House unveils $2.5B emergency coronavirus request
Post by: Solar on February 24, 2020, 06:35:05 PM
Bout Time! I hope everyone is prepping for what could be a nasty Spring.

White House unveils $2.5B emergency coronavirus request

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House on Monday sent lawmakers an urgent $2.5 billion plan to address the deadly coronavirus outbreak, whose rapid spread and threat to the global economy rocked financial markets.

The White House budget office said the funds are for vaccines, treatment, and protective equipment. The request could advance quickly through Congress and came as coronavirus fears were credited with Monday’s 1,000-plus point drop in the Dow Jones Industrials and are increasingly seen as a potential political threat to President Donald Trump.

The request was released Monday evening and came as key government accounts were running low. The Department of Health and Human Services had already tapped into an emergency infectious disease rapid response fund and was seeking to transfer more than $130 million from other HHS accounts to combat the virus but is pressing for more.

“Today, the Administration is transmitting to Congress a $2.5 billion supplemental funding plan to accelerate vaccine development, support preparedness and response activities and to procure much needed equipment and supplies,” said White House budget office spokeswoman Rachel Semmel. “We are also freeing up existing resources and allowing for greater flexibilities for response activities.”

The administration is requesting $1.25 billion in new funding and wants to transfer $535 million more in funding from an Ebola preparedness account. It anticipates shifting money from other HHS accounts and other agencies to complete the $2.5 billion response plan. House Democrats are likely to reject the offsetting cut to Ebola preparedness, said a spokesman for Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Nita Lowey, D-N.Y.

Senators returning to Washington after a weeklong recess will receive a classified briefing Tuesday morning on the government’s coronavirus response, a Senate aide said.

“All of the warning lights are flashing bright red. We are staring down a potential pandemic and the administration has no plan,” said Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., who blasted a shortage of kits to test for the virus and President Donald Trump’s proposed budget cuts to health agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. “We have a crisis of coronavirus and President Trump has no plan, no urgency, no understanding of the facts or how to coordinate a response.”

Trump was a vocal critic of President Barack Obama’s response to the 2014 Ebola scare, which barely touched the U.S. but was seen as a factor in that year’s midterm elections, which restored control of the Senate to Republicans.

Trump took to Twitter Monday to defend his record.

“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” he tweeted.

https://apnews.com/39d9c237bfc75c93016870b00ac6dab8
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 25, 2020, 06:15:45 AM
Keeps on Spreading...

Coronavirus: Tenerife hotel with hundreds of guests locked down

A hotel in Tenerife in Spain's Canary Islands has been locked down after a visiting Italian doctor tested positive for coronavirus.

Hundreds of guests at the H10 Costa Adeje Palace Hotel were initially told to stay in their rooms as medical tests were carried out.

The doctor is reportedly from the Lombardy region, where Italian authorities are battling an outbreak.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51627597?ocid=socialflow_twitter
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: The D-Man on February 25, 2020, 10:13:06 AM
:(

Americans should prepare for coronavirus spread in U.S., CDC says
NBC News, February 25, 2020
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/americans-should-prepare-coronavirus-spread-u-s-cdc-says-n1142556?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
Quote
Top public health officials say Americans should prepare for the spread of the coronavirus in communities across the U.S.

“It’s not so much a question of if this will happen any more, but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” the head of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, said during a media briefing Tuesday.

Measures to contain the virus in the U.S. so far have involved restricting travel to and from China — the center of the outbreak — and isolating cases identified so far in this country.

But Messonnier said that evidence the virus is spreading in other countries, such as Iran and Italy, has raised CDC’s “level of concern and expectation that we’ll see spread” in the U.S.

She added that Americans need to prepare for disruptions to their daily lives, including school closures, working from home or delayed elective medical procedures, as efforts to contain and control possible spread in the U.S. may accelerate in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 25, 2020, 10:20:41 AM
:(

Americans should prepare for coronavirus spread in U.S., CDC says
NBC News, February 25, 2020
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/americans-should-prepare-coronavirus-spread-u-s-cdc-says-n1142556?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
I've been warning about this for over a month. The inevitable is upon us.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: The D-Man on February 25, 2020, 10:26:13 AM
I've been warning about this for over a month. The inevitable is upon us.

We're generally used to the news being something that happens on the other side of a screen. It's hard to get used to it being something that happens at the grocery store, with everyone wearing those masks.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 26, 2020, 05:40:50 AM
I have to agree with Newt  Gingrich this  morning. How many people  live  in Italy? 50million? 300 or  so have the  virus? How  got the  regular flu  during the  same time? Im also going to go out  on a huge  limb  and say the regular  good  ol flu has and will kill more  people than the  corona  virus  ever will.  Panic  over  nothing  in my  humble  opinion.

"According to new estimates published today, between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year, higher than a previous estimate of 250,000 to 500,000 and based on a robust, multinational survey.

The new estimate, from a collaborative study by CDC and global health partners, appears today in The Lancet. The estimate excludes deaths during pandemics."

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p1213-flu-death-estimate.html

One  final point, like all flu i have  no doubt  alot  of  people have  gotten corona, got  over  it, and thought  they had an average  cold. The VAST majority  of  cases are quite  mild. The  media  makes  it  look like the  black plague.

"https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1237961/coronavirus-fatality-rate-vs-flu-how-deadly-is-coronavirus-flu-death-toll-2020

The fatality rate is nearly three percent higher in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, where the virus originated, which has a rate of 4.9 percent.

Excepting cases in Hubei, the mortality rate drops down to 0.16 percent, bringing it much closer to the flu.

A separate tracker from coronavirus.app revealed 701 people have recovered from the disease, assigning it a recovery rate of 3.39 percent.

The latest coronavirus is not the first to have caused global panic, as another member of the family, SARS, circulated the world from China in 2002-2003.

Compared to SARS, which had a mortality rate of 9.6 percent, 2019-nCoV is much less deadly."

And lets  not  forget. The world  didnt  come  to end with Sars. Finally, you  take  out the  1 3rd world  province  of  China and the  death rate  for  corona  is  0.16%. Its the  flu, and  nothing  more.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2020, 06:14:12 AM
I have to agree with Newt  Gingrich this  morning. How many people  live  in Italy? 50million? 300 or  so have the  virus? How  got the  regular flu  during the  same time? Im also going to go out  on a huge  limb  and say the regular  good  ol flu has and will kill more  people than the  corona  virus  ever will.  Panic  over  nothing  in my  humble  opinion.

"According to new estimates published today, between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year, higher than a previous estimate of 250,000 to 500,000 and based on a robust, multinational survey.

The new estimate, from a collaborative study by CDC and global health partners, appears today in The Lancet. The estimate excludes deaths during pandemics."

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p1213-flu-death-estimate.html

One  final point, like all flu i have  no doubt  alot  of  people have  gotten corona, got  over  it, and thought  they had an average  cold. The VAST majority  of  cases are quite  mild. The  media  makes  it  look like the  black plague.

"https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1237961/coronavirus-fatality-rate-vs-flu-how-deadly-is-coronavirus-flu-death-toll-2020

The fatality rate is nearly three percent higher in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, where the virus originated, which has a rate of 4.9 percent.

Excepting cases in Hubei, the mortality rate drops down to 0.16 percent, bringing it much closer to the flu.

A separate tracker from coronavirus.app revealed 701 people have recovered from the disease, assigning it a recovery rate of 3.39 percent.

The latest coronavirus is not the first to have caused global panic, as another member of the family, SARS, circulated the world from China in 2002-2003.

Compared to SARS, which had a mortality rate of 9.6 percent, 2019-nCoV is much less deadly."

And lets  not  forget. The world  didnt  come  to end with Sars. Finally, you  take  out the  1 3rd world  province  of  China and the  death rate  for  corona  is  0.16%. Its the  flu, and  nothing  more.
You just keep on buying bogus numbers, but the fact is, China lied and is still lying about the numbers. This is no ordinary flu, it is a weaponized virus with an attached HIV component and latest results show, you really never get rid of the flu, it will always be with you once exposed, thanks to that added HIV component.

Your willingness to accept govt and WHO numbers as fact says a lot about you as a lib and your trust in Govt.
This thing is only getting started, has proven to be more contagious, live longer without a host and even lie dormant in certain hosts as it spreads to other victims, something simple flu of the past have not been noted for.

There's a reason for the panic from other nations, they know the truth, the truth that WHO is hiding from the public so as not to create panic, that part I get. But to attempt to blow this off as just another bug?
Better hope you don't catch it at your age.
Why are you not questioning why so many people are being quarantined over "Just Another Flu"?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on February 26, 2020, 06:22:29 AM
You just keep on buying bogus numbers, but the fact is, China lied and is still lying about the numbers. This is no ordinary flu, it is a weaponized virus with an attached HIV component and latest results show, you really never get rid of the flu, it will always be with you once exposed, thanks to that added HIV component.

Your willingness to accept govt and WHO numbers as fact says a lot about you as a lib and your trust in Govt.
This thing is only getting started, has proven to be more contagious, live longer without a host and even lie dormant in certain hosts as it spreads to other victims, something simple flu of the past have not been noted for.

There's a reason for the panic from other nations, they know the truth, the truth that WHO is hiding from the public so as not to create panic, that part I get. But to attempt to blow this off as just another bug?
Better hope you don't catch it at your age.
Why are you not questioning why so many people are being quarantined over "Just Another Flu"?
I keep hearing about South Korea and how many cases there, but nothing on North Korea. I would not be surprised if the cases there are as high as China's. Think we will ever find anything out about them? If the government there opens up the border, we will have a pretty good idea. Mexico I think is our biggest concern, we can not control our borders.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2020, 06:28:19 AM
I keep hearing about South Korea and how many cases there, but nothing on North Korea. I would not be surprised if the cases there are as high as China's. Think we will ever find anything out about them? If the government there opens up the border, we will have a pretty good idea. Mexico I think is our biggest concern, we can not control our borders.
Good points!
NK locked down on media releases as soon as they had an outbreak, but of all places, it will be hardest hit because of lack of medical care for the masses. And no, we will never know the truth, a million could die from it and unless people escape to tell the truth, no one will ever know the horrors behind the wall.

I agree, Mexico is a huge concern, let's just hope the latest border wall is enough to contain the foot traffic we've seen in the past. If say, Columbia has an outbreak first, Mexico will lock down their border with troops, signaling what happens next.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 26, 2020, 07:53:38 AM
You just keep on buying bogus numbers, but the fact is, China lied and is still lying about the numbers. This is no ordinary flu, it is a weaponized virus with an attached HIV component and latest results show, you really never get rid of the flu, it will always be with you once exposed, thanks to that added HIV component.

Your willingness to accept govt and WHO numbers as fact says a lot about you as a lib and your trust in Govt.
This thing is only getting started, has proven to be more contagious, live longer without a host and even lie dormant in certain hosts as it spreads to other victims, something simple flu of the past have not been noted for.

There's a reason for the panic from other nations, they know the truth, the truth that WHO is hiding from the public so as not to create panic, that part I get. But to attempt to blow this off as just another bug?
Better hope you don't catch it at your age.
Why are you not questioning why so many people are being quarantined over "Just Another Flu"?

Yep, just another flu. I guess you  lived through SARS., most  people  managed to make  it.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2020, 08:00:25 AM
Yep, just another flu. I guess you  lived through SARS., most  people  managed to make  it.
This is not SARS, SARS was not a weaponized virus that escaped a CCP lab.
When was the last time you saw Nations close their borders over the flu? Can you answer that?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 26, 2020, 08:03:45 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2003/04/29/842352.htm

"But while SARS is new and frightening, its impact so far has been minor. In a mild year, influenza and its complications kill an estimated 250,000 people around the world. Malaria kills at least a million, mostly children. "

Thats an interesting  article  about the SARS hysteria. One  other  interesting  point  is you  will see  very  few  deaths  in races  other than Asian. As  in sars, corona virus is  going to be a  largely  asian infection.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 26, 2020, 08:14:41 AM
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/its-catching/202001/the-chinese-coronavirus-is-not-the-zombie-apocalypse

Another  interesting article published  early  in the outbreak but  makes  many good  points.

"Perhaps the biggest problem facing authorities is that the new Coronavirus is relatively mild. With SARS and MERS, people got very sick and were easy to identify. With the new virus, you may have it and not even know. Based on the early statistics, the mortality rate for Coronavirus is roughly 3%, but the true number is probably much, much lower given the likelihood that many people have already been infected but haven’t been sick enough to even seek treatment. Will the virus spread around the world? Yes, because it already has. But will it spread en masse? That remains to be seen. But if it does, expect it to be no worse than the flu."

Interesting, they make the  same  point  i have been making  for  days. The  death rate  may even be  lower than the reg  flu because  thousands  have  mostly  likely  had the  virus and  recovered and thought  it was the  common cold.

"The good news about the new virus is that while it appears to spread more easily than its two predecessors, it is far less severe. That fits with a general rule that the more deadly the virus, the harder it is to catch." 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 26, 2020, 08:18:19 AM
If this  is  called a  pandemic, then flu should  be a 24/7 never ending  pandemic. I am 100% certain  in a few  months i will pull this thread  back up and say i was  100% right. One other thing, like the regular  flu the  people who are by  far the  most  at risk are  those  over  65.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on February 26, 2020, 08:53:16 AM
If this  is  called a  pandemic, then flu should  be a 24/7 never ending  pandemic. I am 100% certain  in a few  months i will pull this thread  back up and say i was  100% right. One other thing, like the regular  flu the  people who are by  far the  most  at risk are  those  over  65.
Why do you suppose other countries are hitting the panic button. I do not recall ever seeing so many huge cities or even small cities quarantined. I do not know but am guessing that the costs with quarantining a city must run into the millions, if unnecessary, then why? I'm on the fence in this one, I am secluded enough so I do not have to see anyone for as long as I want, but I still get mail, still have to get gas and diesel from somewhere, so its never complete isolation. I have to admit I am taking precautions that I would normally not do, but that has more to do with what I feel is the dishonesty from China than anything else. I have not seen anywhere that China is allowing other countries to see for themselves what is going on.  I hope you are right and are 100% correct, but its too early to start placing bets.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2020, 09:05:48 AM
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/its-catching/202001/the-chinese-coronavirus-is-not-the-zombie-apocalypse

Another  interesting article published  early  in the outbreak but  makes  many good  points.

"Perhaps the biggest problem facing authorities is that the new Coronavirus is relatively mild. With SARS and MERS, people got very sick and were easy to identify. With the new virus, you may have it and not even know. Based on the early statistics, the mortality rate for Coronavirus is roughly 3%, but the true number is probably much, much lower given the likelihood that many people have already been infected but haven’t been sick enough to even seek treatment. Will the virus spread around the world? Yes, because it already has. But will it spread en masse? That remains to be seen. But if it does, expect it to be no worse than the flu."

Interesting, they make the  same  point  i have been making  for  days. The  death rate  may even be  lower than the reg  flu because  thousands  have  mostly  likely  had the  virus and  recovered and thought  it was the  common cold.

"The good news about the new virus is that while it appears to spread more easily than its two predecessors, it is far less severe. That fits with a general rule that the more deadly the virus, the harder it is to catch."
A psychologist, seriously? And yeah, his opinion isn't worth anymore than yours, especially considering he made that statement around the time the rest of the world was waking to the obvious.
Add to that, he's still repeating the lie that it came from an animal.
You can do better, at least try if you are Hell bent on trying to prove this is nothing more than a new flu...

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2020, 09:18:17 AM
Why do you suppose other countries are hitting the panic button. I do not recall ever seeing so many huge cities or even small cities quarantined. I do not know but am guessing that the costs with quarantining a city must run into the millions, if unnecessary, then why? I'm on the fence in this one, I am secluded enough so I do not have to see anyone for as long as I want, but I still get mail, still have to get gas and diesel from somewhere, so its never complete isolation. I have to admit I am taking precautions that I would normally not do, but that has more to do with what I feel is the dishonesty from China than anything else. I have not seen anywhere that China is allowing other countries to see for themselves what is going on.  I hope you are right and are 100% correct, but its too early to start placing bets.
He doesn't want to address the reality of the situation, that other nation's know the truth about the origins of this virus.
You're Right, we have never witnessed in our life time, nations quarantining cities, borders, people having restricted movement under threat of arrest, forced into self quarantine, this is unprecedented.
When was there ever a flu outbreak that caused a world response such as this?

My only point for starting this thread was over the lies out of China, and looking back, it appears they had good reason to lie and now the worlds govt's know and to avoid panic, they refuse to tell what they know.
I get that, if the people knew the truth, there would probably be rioting in inner cities, with their dog eat dog mentality.

All I can so is bring awareness and hope people prepare accordingly. Like you, I too can avoid contact with the outside world, but for only so long then I too need to get fuel and food for another month.
I hate conspiracies, but until we get the truth, one can only prepare for the worst outcome.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2020, 09:19:07 AM
This is not SARS, SARS was not a weaponized virus that escaped a CCP lab.
When was the last time you saw Nations close their borders over the flu? Can you answer that?
Why did you avoid my question? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 26, 2020, 09:44:28 AM
Why do you suppose other countries are hitting the panic button. I do not recall ever seeing so many huge cities or even small cities quarantined. I do not know but am guessing that the costs with quarantining a city must run into the millions, if unnecessary, then why? I'm on the fence in this one, I am secluded enough so I do not have to see anyone for as long as I want, but I still get mail, still have to get gas and diesel from somewhere, so its never complete isolation. I have to admit I am taking precautions that I would normally not do, but that has more to do with what I feel is the dishonesty from China than anything else. I have not seen anywhere that China is allowing other countries to see for themselves what is going on.  I hope you are right and are 100% correct, but its too early to start placing bets.

Panic  is easy  to spread. Thats the  only reason i can think of. The  media  did  its  best to make  aids the  end  of the earth  by  doing  its  best to claim it was going to spread  into the  general population. Needless to say  it  didnt. Another good thing  is the  flu season is  coming to an end. Nowhere other than china are deaths a  big deal with this. Some will die, up to 661,000 die  of  the  flu.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 26, 2020, 09:48:22 AM
Why did you avoid my question? :rolleyes:

Simply total unfounded  panic and  i think you  will also observe, and should already  be  observing that very  very  few  people are dying  in any country  other than china. Lots  of  people are dying  of  the  numerous different strains  of  flu however.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2020, 10:11:53 AM
Simply total unfounded  panic and  i think you  will also observe, and should already  be  observing that very  very  few  people are dying  in any country  other than china. Lots  of  people are dying  of  the  numerous different strains  of  flu however.
Nope! This thing only just started, they are locking people in quarantine that only have the virus but no symptoms. When have nation's done this over the flu?
Here, when wast the last time you ever heard of a flu victim being forced into quarantine?
I dare you to find an update to her whereabouts today. She was in daily contact up to the day this last story came out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93dvy9wkxLI&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: supsalemgr on February 26, 2020, 12:44:31 PM
Not surprisingly Pelosi and Schumer are going all in thinking "this" is what is going to get Trump. They are really becoming a real life example of Wyley Coyote.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2020, 01:07:59 PM
Not surprisingly Pelosi and Schumer are going all in thinking "this" is what is going to get Trump. They are really becoming a real life example of Wyley Coyote.
It's all they have and it won't pan out the way the hope.
Even if we are hit hard, the rest of the world will be harder hit and all economies will suffer. The US won't be hit nearly as hard as the rest of the globe, which is why every free nation is investing in dollars and gold. We will still control the world economy and every American will see we dodged the bullet.

I believe there will be a lot of deaths, but nothing like Iran is about to feel, or a 100 other countries around the globe and come early summer this will all be dying down rapidly, and with reports of a vaccine soon to be released for the next season, everything will return to normal 'Here'.

It's the next couple of months that will be the hardest to deal with, the worry of contracting the disease, run on certain products the relapse of the disease and deaths that follow, the media will beat us over the head with the doom and gloom, but that will only last a little over a month, and the Dims will still be without a winning candidate and no plan moving forward.

Yeah, I've given this a lot of thought in how the left plans to play it, and in the end, they lose even worse because everyone will see they tried to blame something on Trump he had nothing to do with, and did an amazing job of controlling it.

My worries? Ca and the Dims not knowing how to deal with it and making it worse with their need to let in illegals. It could be pretty bad out here when the hospitals are over run with a bunch of illegals filling the beds.
The people will not be happy...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 26, 2020, 02:12:44 PM
Nope! This thing only just started, they are locking people in quarantine that only have the virus but no symptoms. When have nation's done this over the flu?
Here, when wast the last time you ever heard of a flu victim being forced into quarantine?
I dare you to find an update to her whereabouts today. She was in daily contact up to the day this last story came out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93dvy9wkxLI&feature=emb_logo

I will take a wild  guess and say she  is doing  just  fine, and will live a  long  life(unless a truck runs  over  her).

Im really  surprised the  usually  media  savvy people here seem to have  no clue. We  all know they like to hype  a story  for  ratings, We  know they desperately  want to use this to get Trump, and we  know  they will always  push the  worst case  hysterical scenario. How  many people got the flu today? We wont  hear a single story  about that.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on February 26, 2020, 02:24:03 PM
Solar, what you said earlier makes sense, took me long enough huh, If this was just some a virus from a bat, and could be proven, China would not have been keeping this a secret. They would have shared what they knew and held their hand out for help $. But its not from a bat, this was a weapon and China does not what the world to be able to prove it. I'm guessing for use on Hong Kong to stop the riots? The riots are still ongoing so that might be a bad guess. This could/will be the final nail for Wi.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/01/hong-kong-protests-coronavirus-outbreak/605662/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
I will take a wild  guess and say she  is doing  just  fine, and will live a  long  life(unless a truck runs  over  her).

Im really  surprised the  usually  media  savvy people here seem to have  no clue. We  all know they like to hype  a story  for  ratings, We  know they desperately  want to use this to get Trump, and we  know  they will always  push the  worst case  hysterical scenario. How  many people got the flu today? We wont  hear a single story  about that.
The obvious went right over your head. She is being locked in quarantine, hasn't been heard from since the 17th.
Tell me, how many people with the flu get put in lock down?

I don't think you grasp the severity of this strain, one manufactured in a weapons lab that apparently escaped, forced the CCP to lock down the entire community of 20 million people.
What do you think China knew that they weren't telling the rest of the world at the time? Why did they quarantine all these people if it was only a "FLU"?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 26, 2020, 04:51:41 PM
I dont  know what  China knows. I do know this is  not  causing widespread death outside  of  china.

Oh, just  heard this  on the weather  channel. So far this  flu season in the  US alone  29 million, yes million have  been infected with about  16,000 deaths. Why no panic about that?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 26, 2020, 05:02:47 PM
Just read this article

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/02/forest-grove-mans-cruise-ship-coronavirus-quarantine-ends-his-wife-remains-hospitalized.html

"Rebecca Frasure has been in a Tokyo hospital since Feb. 6. She has repeatedly tested positive for COVID-19, even though she has felt fine and has had virtually no symptoms, she said."

Maybe she  is  one  of the  many who had such a  mild case she didnt  know she  had  it. She  is  going to be  just  fine.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 26, 2020, 05:36:46 PM
Just read this article

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/02/forest-grove-mans-cruise-ship-coronavirus-quarantine-ends-his-wife-remains-hospitalized.html

"Rebecca Frasure has been in a Tokyo hospital since Feb. 6. She has repeatedly tested positive for COVID-19, even though she has felt fine and has had virtually no symptoms, she said."

Maybe she  is  one  of the  many who had such a  mild case she didnt  know she  had  it. She  is  going to be  just  fine.
OMG~! How thick can you be?
This is the woman in the video I posted, she tested positive for COVID and is being held against her will. She hasn't been heard from since last week.
If it's only a flu, why is she being held against her will? Because she is considered a "Super Carrier".
Now, tell me genius, if this is simply a flu, why are they quarantining people against their will? Come on, it can't be all that hard.

I've given you evidence that this is a weaponized strain developed in a Chinese weapons research lab, with an HIV added component. Do you even have a clue as to what that means?
It means they spliced the virus and weaponized it, so it becomes virtually incurable. People in China are dying after having recovered, a well known and respected Chinese doctor exposed this information before he too, died.
How about this?
"San Francisco declares state of emergency to help prepare for an outbreak of coronavirus; there are currently no confirmed cases in the city - SF Chronicle"

(https://www.earthfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/02SLIDE_IsolationBoxFlightFromDiamondPrincess-1200x807.png)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wuhan-eases-lockdown-then-retracts-order-3-hours-later-italy-cases-soar-past-200-live
8,000 Californians Under "Self-Imposed Quarantine", South Korea Locks Down City Of 2.5 Million People...

So I ask you again. When has a simple flu outbreak caused this much panic among govts.
So ask yourself, what are they not telling us? I'd tell ya, but I don't want to panic people either, all I can do is hit the alarm button to get people to prepare now and stock up on food and supplies.
Remember, when the time comes and people start panicking, is when there will be a run on everything you take for granted.
Think you have enough beans and rice? Not when people start panic buying.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: topside on February 26, 2020, 06:29:53 PM
I dont  know what  China knows. I do know this is  not  causing widespread death outside  of  china.

Oh, just  heard this  on the weather  channel. So far this  flu season in the  US alone  29 million, yes million have  been infected with about  16,000 deaths. Why no panic about that?

16 Thousand / 29 Million is about 0.05% ... Corona Virus is running at about 4 - 5% death rate in a general comparison. Point being that this new virus seems much more problematic. But there are factors- more older people than younger along with other circumstances. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/)

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 27, 2020, 06:36:46 AM
16 Thousand / 29 Million is about 0.05% ... Corona Virus is running at about 4 - 5% death rate in a general comparison. Point being that this new virus seems much more problematic. But there are factors- more older people than younger along with other circumstances. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/)
:cool:
Interesting. Hadn't heard this in the LSM...Shocked...NOT!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 27, 2020, 06:37:00 AM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 27, 2020, 01:37:45 PM
16 Thousand / 29 Million is about 0.05% ... Corona Virus is running at about 4 - 5% death rate in a general comparison. Point being that this new virus seems much more problematic. But there are factors- more older people than younger along with other circumstances. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/)

The death rate  outside  of  1 province  in china  is  about an infintesimal .016%
It was sort  of  funny a  few  minutes ago as the  fox  news talking  head was telling  about the  terrors  of  corona he  just threw  out  a  quick line  about  how  numerous  people have  got  the  virus and  recovered
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 27, 2020, 01:44:47 PM
https://www.koin.com/news/health/coronavirus/healthy-then-wearing-a-mask-doesnt-really-do-much/

"Frasure tested positive for the virus in early February while she and her husband were on a cruise off the coast of Japan. She had a fever and mild cough but said she stopped having symptoms after being admitted to a Tokyo hospital for quarantine. She said people in the city have been taking precautions."

As  i thought, she  had the  virus and  it was  nothing.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 27, 2020, 01:55:06 PM
I suspect the  overall death rate will continue to drop as its recognized at all the  people who got  it  and thought  it was a  mild  cold and recovered from it. Even though i had to wade through hundreds of  bodies  in the  mall today to buy  a wendys hamburger, im still unconcerned. Tomorrow i will defy fate and eat at a  chinese restaurant. My  bodies comment reminds  me  of other idiotic  hysteria. Remember shep smith reporting  on thethousands  of  bodies floating around  in Katrina? And  of  course the  untold  numbers  of rapes and  murders occuring  in the superdome.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 27, 2020, 02:06:07 PM
I just  had another thought. How many people  have croaked  in Hawaii from corona? Afterall numerous chinese people come and  go there and  im sure alot  of them got  in before any travel ban. I think the answer  is  0. Sooner or  later someones death in the US will be attributed to Corona and while people will be running  around  naked  in the streets waiting to die people like me will realize  its  no big  deal.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 27, 2020, 02:08:29 PM
OMG~! How thick can you be?
This is the woman in the video I posted, she tested positive for COVID and is being held against her will. She hasn't been heard from since last week.
If it's only a flu, why is she being held against her will? Because she is considered a "Super Carrier".
Now, tell me genius, if this is simply a flu, why are they quarantining people against their will? Come on, it can't be all that hard.

I've given you evidence that this is a weaponized strain developed in a Chinese weapons research lab, with an HIV added component. Do you even have a clue as to what that means?
It means they spliced the virus and weaponized it, so it becomes virtually incurable. People in China are dying after having recovered, a well known and respected Chinese doctor exposed this information before he too, died.
How about this?
"San Francisco declares state of emergency to help prepare for an outbreak of coronavirus; there are currently no confirmed cases in the city - SF Chronicle"

(https://www.earthfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/02SLIDE_IsolationBoxFlightFromDiamondPrincess-1200x807.png)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wuhan-eases-lockdown-then-retracts-order-3-hours-later-italy-cases-soar-past-200-live
8,000 Californians Under "Self-Imposed Quarantine", South Korea Locks Down City Of 2.5 Million People...

So I ask you again. When has a simple flu outbreak caused this much panic among govts.
So ask yourself, what are they not telling us? I'd tell ya, but I don't want to panic people either, all I can do is hit the alarm button to get people to prepare now and stock up on food and supplies.
Remember, when the time comes and people start panicking, is when there will be a run on everything you take for granted.
Think you have enough beans and rice? Not when people start panic buying.


tahst simple to explain. Total irrational panic  over nothing. One thing the  media  never says  is all the  people who have recovered, not to mention those who had corona and thought  its was a  cough.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 27, 2020, 02:11:32 PM
And again, i am stunned that  people here who i thought were media  savvy dont realize they want to report the worst  case scenario in this case for  2 reasons. Hurt Trump and ratings.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on February 27, 2020, 03:27:37 PM
And again, i am stunned that  people here who i thought were media  savvy dont realize they want to report the worst  case scenario in this case for  2 reasons. Hurt Trump and ratings.
I knew there was a good reason the chinese quarantined 21 million people. 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 27, 2020, 03:33:03 PM
https://www.koin.com/news/health/coronavirus/healthy-then-wearing-a-mask-doesnt-really-do-much/

"Frasure tested positive for the virus in early February while she and her husband were on a cruise off the coast of Japan. She had a fever and mild cough but said she stopped having symptoms after being admitted to a Tokyo hospital for quarantine. She said people in the city have been taking precautions."

As  i thought, she  had the  virus and  it was  nothing.
She is what is being called a "Super Spreader". Why is she still in quarantine if this is just another ordinary bug?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: taxed on February 27, 2020, 03:33:44 PM
And again, i am stunned that  people here who i thought were media  savvy dont realize they want to report the worst  case scenario in this case for  2 reasons. Hurt Trump and ratings.

Cool story....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israeli-scientists-say-they-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-few-weeks
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 27, 2020, 03:35:54 PM
I just  had another thought. How many people  have croaked  in Hawaii from corona? Afterall numerous chinese people come and  go there and  im sure alot  of them got  in before any travel ban. I think the answer  is  0. Sooner or  later someones death in the US will be attributed to Corona and while people will be running  around  naked  in the streets waiting to die people like me will realize  its  no big  deal.
No you didn't, that would require thinking.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 27, 2020, 03:37:35 PM
And again, i am stunned that  people here who i thought were media  savvy dont realize they want to report the worst  case scenario in this case for  2 reasons. Hurt Trump and ratings.
You Fool! This has absolutely nothing to do with the media. If anything, the media is downplaying it so as to avoid a panic.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 27, 2020, 03:47:13 PM
Cool story....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israeli-scientists-say-they-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-few-weeks
That is totally cool!!!
If they pull this off, they could save millions from a lifetime of debilitation.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: taxed on February 27, 2020, 04:00:33 PM
That is totally cool!!!
If they pull this off, they could save millions from a lifetime of debilitation.

Very interesting they "just happened" to have been working on coronavirus....  as if we (US/Israel intel) knew what China/Russia were going to try.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 27, 2020, 04:04:28 PM
Very interesting they "just happened" to have been working on coronavirus....  as if we (US/Israel intel) knew what China/Russia were going to try.
:biggrin:
Geee, what an amazing coincidence? NOT!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 27, 2020, 04:06:39 PM
I knew there was a good reason the chinese quarantined 21 million people.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: HUGE BREAKING NEWS: Israeli Researchers on Cusp of Creating Coronavirus Vaccine
Post by: American Exceptionalism on February 28, 2020, 03:32:37 AM
Could be Ready in a Few Weeks and Available in 90 Days

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/02/huge-breaking-news-israeli-researchers-on-cusp-of-creating-coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-in-a-few-weeks-and-available-in-90-days/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on February 28, 2020, 04:47:01 AM
Hell just froze over folks.............the Associated Press (AP) just called out the democrats for lyin' over the misinformation they are spreading over the readiness of President Trump's plan to combat this bat crazy coronavirus....... :thumbsup:

AP Confirms: Democrats Are Lying to the Public About Coronavirus Readiness

An Associated Press fact check confirms what Breitbart News reported earlier this week: that Democrat presidential candidates are falsely claiming that President Donald Trump cut funding and personnel needed to fight coronavirus.

READ MORE HERE.....
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/02/27/ap-confirms-democrats-are-lying-to-the-public-about-coronavirus/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20200227&utm_content=A

And for all the democrats that hate the reporting truth of Breitbart READ HERE....
https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on February 28, 2020, 05:05:43 AM
I just heard that the first case of the Corona Virus being transmitted from a human to a dog has been reported in Hong Kong. Keep your doggies safe.  :cry:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: American Exceptionalism on February 28, 2020, 05:14:34 AM
I just heard that the first case of the Corona Virus being transmitted from a human to a dog has been reported in Hong Kong. Keep your doggies safe.  :cry:

Read that as well.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11060913/dog-coronavirus-test-positive/
Title: Re: HUGE BREAKING NEWS: Israeli Researchers on Cusp of Creating Coronavirus Vaccine
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2020, 06:12:16 AM
Let's keep these stories corralled in the COVID thread, otherwise the forum will be overrun with this and nothing else in the coming days.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on February 28, 2020, 06:14:46 AM
Now this is interesting... Dean Koontz 1981 NYT Best seller  The Eyes of Darkness

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Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2020, 06:23:30 AM
Hell just froze over folks.............the Associated Press (AP) just called out the democrats for lyin' over the misinformation they are spreading over the readiness of President Trump's plan to combat this bat crazy coronavirus....... :thumbsup:

AP Confirms: Democrats Are Lying to the Public About Coronavirus Readiness

An Associated Press fact check confirms what Breitbart News reported earlier this week: that Democrat presidential candidates are falsely claiming that President Donald Trump cut funding and personnel needed to fight coronavirus.

READ MORE HERE.....
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/02/27/ap-confirms-democrats-are-lying-to-the-public-about-coronavirus/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20200227&utm_content=A

And for all the democrats that hate the reporting truth of Breitbart READ HERE....
https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104
BINGO!!!
Could the dims dig any deeper? Politicizing Catastrophe is so weak, especially when you try and scare people into following you.
The Dims better get used to the fact, they no longer own the media, we do, so no matter what they print, we'll be there to turn it against them.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2020, 06:25:02 AM
Now this is interesting... Dean Koontz 1981 NYT Best seller  The Eyes of Darkness

(https://scontent.fiad1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89043070_2715064565215938_2906282005584936960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=_RRuLrYGiwgAX8F9hE_&_nc_ht=scontent.fiad1-1.fna&oh=8dd08f37871245f9e1dde14b660ce443&oe=5EF5C9B4)

(https://scontent.fiad1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89038488_2715064608549267_762256132675731456_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=AUdzGg89e38AX8tFH02&_nc_ht=scontent.fiad1-1.fna&oh=d280bdcdf544384717b98e9661954e63&oe=5EEC5F4D)

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Holy Shit, what in the Hell did he know at the time?
This had to have been sourced from an insider, there is no way he this prophetic!!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2020, 06:31:13 AM
Read that as well.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11060913/dog-coronavirus-test-positive/
I'm going to call BS On this one, not to mention the Sun is a leftist Tabloid Rag...

The dog has been quarantined by officials, suggesting they have concerns that the pet could pass on the disease.

If confirmed, the Pomeranian would mark the first case of coronavirus in a pet animal, as infected numbers topped 82,000 worldwide.

Nothing to see here, move along!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: American Exceptionalism on February 28, 2020, 07:07:00 AM
I'm going to call BS On this one, not to mention the Sun is a leftist Tabloid Rag...

The dog has been quarantined by officials, suggesting they have concerns that the pet could pass on the disease.

If confirmed, the Pomeranian would mark the first case of coronavirus in a pet animal, as infected numbers topped 82,000 worldwide.

Nothing to see here, move along!


 :laugh:  I know. When I read it was from The Sun I wasn't sure whether to put it here or the Entertainment Section.  Considering how many dogs there are, it's just one? If true at all. :confused:
Title: Re: HUGE BREAKING NEWS: Israeli Researchers on Cusp of Creating Coronavirus Vaccine
Post by: American Exceptionalism on February 28, 2020, 07:08:51 AM
Let's keep these stories corralled in the COVID thread, otherwise the forum will be overrun with this and nothing else in the coming days.

No problem. Forgot all it about it when I posted it. Maybe you, taxed or walks can move it there. Thanks.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 28, 2020, 07:24:35 AM
A rational person said  on fox spring  is  coming  when virus's recede. Again, no evidence this  is anything worse than flu.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2020, 07:26:10 AM
A rational person said  on fox spring  is  coming  when virus's recede. Again, no evidence this  is anything worse than flu.
Yes, that was me. Flu season generally dissipates in the summer.

Take a look at this, this is the CCP approved and scrubbed video out of Wuhan.

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 28, 2020, 07:27:28 AM
Now this is interesting... Dean Koontz 1981 NYT Best seller  The Eyes of Darkness

(https://scontent.fiad1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89043070_2715064565215938_2906282005584936960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=_RRuLrYGiwgAX8F9hE_&_nc_ht=scontent.fiad1-1.fna&oh=8dd08f37871245f9e1dde14b660ce443&oe=5EF5C9B4)

(https://scontent.fiad1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89038488_2715064608549267_762256132675731456_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=AUdzGg89e38AX8tFH02&_nc_ht=scontent.fiad1-1.fna&oh=d280bdcdf544384717b98e9661954e63&oe=5EEC5F4D)

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What  a  joke. Resisting all known treatments? Corona  cant even resist the time  honored rest, chicken soup, and vitamin C. Thousands upon thousands have recovered from the slight fever and sniffles.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2020, 07:28:53 AM
What  a  joke. Resisting all known treatments? Corona  cant even resist the time  honored rest, chicken soup, and vitamin C. Thousands upon thousands have recovered from the slight fever and sniffles.
Did you even read the headline?

"Dean Koontz 1981 NYT Best seller  The Eyes of Darkness"
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 28, 2020, 07:30:46 AM
Yes, that was me. Flu season generally dissipates in the summer.

Take a look at this, this is the CCP approved and scrubbed video out of Wuhan.


Media  wont  play for  me.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2020, 07:32:05 AM
Media  wont  play for  me.
Try a different browser!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 28, 2020, 07:36:50 AM
I  only  have  firefox. The  coverage  on this  is so assinine. Every  new case  is reported  like  its  some disaster. Why not  report every  case  of the  flu.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 28, 2020, 07:42:17 AM
Just  heard something stupid that was reported like the end  of the  world  is  coming. Dr Falchi stated the  corona virus wont  disappear next  year? Is he really  that stupid? No flu virus  just  disappears. Corona will be around  for  thousands  of years. This flu season the dreaded H1N1 scare  of  2009 was the  dominant for  of the seasonal flu. So what?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on February 28, 2020, 07:46:08 AM
I  only  have  firefox. The  coverage  on this  is so assinine. Every  new case  is reported  like  its  some disaster. Why not  report every  case  of the  flu.

I use Firefox for this site and have removed the shield for this site. 

Also I stated in my title that is was from a Dean Koontz book - a fictional writer. Toy
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2020, 07:54:38 AM
Just  heard something stupid that was reported like the end  of the  world  is  coming. Dr Falchi stated the  corona virus wont  disappear next  year? Is he really  that stupid? No flu virus  just  disappears. Corona will be around  for  thousands  of years. This flu season the dreaded H1N1 scare  of  2009 was the  dominant for  of the seasonal flu. So what?
You do realize the Corona virus has been in existence longer than we ever knew, it is nothing by itself, be it runny nose coughing, but what made it such a threat, is the Fact That It Was Fucking Weaponized, You Dumb Ass!!!
It now carries a variant of HIV that was spliced into it! How is it you are the last moron on the planet to know this? The Chinese made a weapon out of a simple cold virus, and it escaped the weapons lab!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 28, 2020, 08:00:21 AM
You do realize the Corona virus has been in existence longer than we ever knew, it is nothing by itself, be it runny nose coughing, but what made it such a threat, is the Fact That It Was Fucking Weaponized, You Dumb Ass!!!
It now carries a variant of HIV that was spliced into it! How is it you are the last moron on the planet to know this? The Chinese made a weapon out of a simple cold virus, and it escaped the weapons lab!!!

I just  dont  believe  in conspiracy theories and  i dont  for  a second think its weaponized  in any way. Just about everyone  is recovering from it. I guess we can find  out  if the  poor  woman from Forest Grove has HIV or any variant  of  it. I  havent  heard any reports  from any media  that  anyone  has gotten aids from this.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2020, 08:04:42 AM
Hey guys, I know it's going to be hard very soon not to post about the virus, but let's try and keep them here, otherwise that's all the forum will consist of in the coming weeks.
The media is trying to blame Trump, and no one will buy it, but let's not let them run the narrative on this. Let's keep hammering them on their failures, of which no doubt, the virus is a perfect cover for them, if they can get you to focus on it.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on February 28, 2020, 08:13:34 AM
I found this article  saying  some  Feng  guy retracted his statement  Hiv was somehow inserted into corona

https://nationalfile.com/scientist-explains-new-study-revealing-coronavirus-may-have-links-to-hiv/

I also saw  numerous articles telling  how an HIV grug  might  be  helpful in treatment  but  no reliable  article  saying this  is weaponized with HIV.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2020, 08:51:29 AM
I found this article  saying  some  Feng  guy retracted his statement  Hiv was somehow inserted into corona

https://nationalfile.com/scientist-explains-new-study-revealing-coronavirus-may-have-links-to-hiv/

I also saw  numerous articles telling  how an HIV grug  might  be  helpful in treatment  but  no reliable  article  saying this  is weaponized with HIV.
And you can't see the lie here? One claims there is no such connection, yet HIV drugs seem to help?
Man, you're dumber than a Blivet. (No insult to blivets intended)

Go back through this thread and learn something for a change.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2020, 09:28:53 AM
I'd like to point something out here. Fairfield Ca is where Travis AFB is located, the same place they're housing people in quarantine
For those of you who have ever had the privilege of flying in and out of there, probably experienced the extreme winds that cut through this huge base due to Bay Area winds coming off the ocean via the Golden Gate opening in route to the Delta, what we in the valley call the Delta Breeze.

My point is. Did this virus survive the moist winds that effect Vacaville? I'm not saying this is the cause, but if this is even remotely possible, it may explain how this single individual, they claim had no exposure to anyone with the virus.
Or does it expose the fact that there may be a super spreader, someone that carries the virus, yet immune to its affliction?

Technically the base is isolated, but is it?

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Northern California city at epicenter of coronavirus mystery

VACAVILLE, Calif. (AP) — Residents of a Northern California community are at the epicenter of what officials are calling a turning point in the spread of the highly contagious coronavirus, as investigators try to retrace the steps of a hospitalized woman they believe to be the first in the U.S. to be infected without traveling internationally or being in close contact with anyone who had it.

As infectious disease experts fanned out in Vacaville, some residents in the city of 100,000 stocked up on supplies amid fears things could get worse despite official reassurances, while others took the news in stride.

The city lies between San Francisco and Sacramento in Solano County, in the agricultural Central Valley and near California’s famous wine region.

It is about 10 miles (16 kilometers) from Travis Air Force Base, which has been used as a virus quarantine location. Public health officials said they can find no connection between the infected woman and passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship who were evacuated to the base when the ship was docked in Japan.

The case of the infected woman marks an escalation of the worldwide outbreak in the U.S. because it means the virus could spread beyond the reach of preventative measures like quarantines, though state health officials said that was inevitable and that the risk of widespread transmission remains low.

But McKinsey Paz, her husband and her boss at a Vacaville private security company weren’t taking any chances. They hustled to a warehouse store Thursday to buy bottled water, canned food, staples like rice and beans and cases of toilet paper and paper towels.

“We’re not sure what’s going to happen. Panic seems to do that to you,” Paz said. “In case things get a little crazy, we didn’t want to be the last ones. We’re preparing for the worst.”

Solano County Public Health Officer Dr. Bela Matyas said public health officials have identified dozens of people — but less than 100 — who had close contact with the woman. They are quarantined in their homes and a few who have shown symptoms are in isolation, Matyas said.

Officials are not too worried, for now, about casual contact, because federal officials think the coronavirus is spread only through “close contact, being within six feet of somebody for what they’re calling a prolonged period of time,” said Dr. James Watt, interim state epidemiologist at the California Department of Public Health.



https://apnews.com/57177e2e35d7d0d518361166935c614e
Title: Coronavirus reappears in discharged patients
Post by: Solar on February 28, 2020, 11:32:25 AM
Coronavirus reappears in discharged patients, raising questions in containment fight


SHANGHAI/LONDON (Reuters) - A growing number of discharged coronavirus patients in China and elsewhere are testing positive after recovering, sometimes weeks after being allowed to leave the hospital, which could make the epidemic harder to eradicate.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-reinfection-explainer/explainer-coronavirus-reappears-in-discharged-patients-raising-questions-in-containment-fight-idUSKCN20M124
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on February 29, 2020, 07:15:57 AM
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Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 29, 2020, 11:54:44 AM
Man in Washington state first in US to die from new virus

A man has died in Washington state of COVID-19, state health officials said Saturday, marking the first such reported death in the United States.

State officials issued a terse news release announcing the death, gave no details and scheduled a news conference. A spokesperson for EvergreenHealth Medical Center, Kayse Dahl, said the person died in the facility in the Seattle suburb of Kirkland, but gave no other details.

State and King County health officials said “new people (have been) identified with the infection, one of whom died.” They did not say how many new cases there are.

https://apnews.com/f175d89567a26d59cab27725c9e8a0d7
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: supsalemgr on February 29, 2020, 12:23:54 PM
Man in Washington state first in US to die from new virus

A man has died in Washington state of COVID-19, state health officials said Saturday, marking the first such reported death in the United States.

State officials issued a terse news release announcing the death, gave no details and scheduled a news conference. A spokesperson for EvergreenHealth Medical Center, Kayse Dahl, said the person died in the facility in the Seattle suburb of Kirkland, but gave no other details.

State and King County health officials said “new people (have been) identified with the infection, one of whom died.” They did not say how many new cases there are.

https://apnews.com/f175d89567a26d59cab27725c9e8a0d7

It was reported the person was in their 50's and had medical issues. I heard this listening to the president's briefing.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 29, 2020, 12:51:12 PM
Don't think you can't catch it again...

People who have gotten the new coronavirus and recovered can get it again in the future, health authorities say — the body does not become immune after infection.

On Wednesday, Japanese authorities reported the first confirmed case of reinfection. A tour guide in Osaka first tested positive for the coronavirus in late January, then was discharged from the hospital three weeks ago after showing signs of recovery. But she returned to the hospital after developing a sore throat and chest pain and tested positive for the coronavirus once again.

Zhan Qingyuan, director of pneumonia prevention and treatment at the China-Japan Friendship Hospital, warned last month that this could  happen.

"For those patients who have been cured, there is a likelihood of a relapse," Zhan said in a briefing on January 31. "The antibody will be generated; however, in certain individuals, the antibody cannot last that long."

Reinfections among patients in China have been reported as well.

"Once you have the infection, it could remain dormant and with minimal symptoms, and then you can get an exacerbation if it finds its way into the lungs," Philip Tierno, a professor at the NYU School of Medicine, told Reuters.

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-risk-of-reinfection-2020-2
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on February 29, 2020, 01:20:56 PM
Thought I'd mention, if you were considering buying the N-95 mask, the one that actually protects you from COVID?
Forget it!
I was trying to order an Airpro face shield pressurized air transfer for when I do dozer work to keep the dust out, they told me they were out of stock, on just about everything.

(https://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/media/product/715/trend-airshield-pro-air-pro-face-shield-usa-120v-u-air-pro-376.jpg)

So I asked about back order and they'll call me Monday. :rolleyes:
So I asked what do they have. He chuckled and said anything N-95 related had been locked up by the govt, that all 3M products were being redirected to Govt facilities.

N-95 style. This is just an example of how many variations there are, but this should help you recognize it, they usually have evidence of charcoal embedded in them.
(http://www.makrite.com/wp-content/NIOSH/P95-Series/P95-710VOV.jpg)

So if you think you can get your hands on an N95, I suggest you move on it, they won't be available for long.

Here's a site that has a good display of N95 masks so you can recognize them, but they won't sell them, and if they do? You won't get it until well after this thing passes, this year, but it will be BAAACKKK!!!.

https://www.gersonco.com/product/1845-r95-particulate-respirator/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 01, 2020, 08:51:47 AM
Panic buying starts...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL4bt43dkvg
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 01, 2020, 11:30:24 AM
Thought I'd mention, if you were considering buying the N-95 mask, the one that actually protects you from COVID?
Forget it!
I was trying to order an Airpro face shield pressurized air transfer for when I do dozer work to keep the dust out, they told me they were out of stock, on just about everything.

(https://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/media/product/715/trend-airshield-pro-air-pro-face-shield-usa-120v-u-air-pro-376.jpg)

So I asked about back order and they'll call me Monday. :rolleyes:
So I asked what do they have. He chuckled and said anything N-95 related had been locked up by the govt, that all 3M products were being redirected to Govt facilities.

N-95 style. This is just an example of how many variations there are, but this should help you recognize it, they usually have evidence of charcoal embedded in them.
(http://www.makrite.com/wp-content/NIOSH/P95-Series/P95-710VOV.jpg)

So if you think you can get your hands on an N95, I suggest you move on it, they won't be available for long.

Here's a site that has a good display of N95 masks so you can recognize them, but they won't sell them, and if they do? You won't get it until well after this thing passes, this year, but it will be BAAACKKK!!!.

https://www.gersonco.com/product/1845-r95-particulate-respirator/

In a pinch....  :rolleyes:
(https://i.imgur.com/Ge9Twrp.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: VVet69 on March 01, 2020, 11:45:39 AM
This is pretty interesting... from Seattle: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1233970271318503426.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1233970271318503426.html)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 01, 2020, 11:49:19 AM
This is pretty interesting... from Seattle: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1233970271318503426.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1233970271318503426.html)
Interesting!!! I'm definitely going to delve deeper into this information. :thumbup:

In related news....

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on March 01, 2020, 12:28:08 PM
Facebook calls out liberal fake news Politico for attacking Trump on his response on the coronavirus.

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Title: On the lighter side....
Post by: Solar on March 01, 2020, 12:55:18 PM
Well, if you've got to be quarantined, I could think of a lot worse places. :biggrin:


119 People Quarantined In A Brothel In Spain

(https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/strip_0.png?itok=4L0hg0BJ)


Define Normal In A Brothell. :biggrin:

In addition to the customers, the club's owners, waitresses, security and cleaning crew were also quarantined. When added to the total of 86 customers, it makes 119 people under quarantine. They have been asked to "keep calm" and to just "live a normal life" inside the premises.

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/silver-linings-playbook-119-people-quarantined-brothel-spain
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 01, 2020, 12:58:37 PM
This is pretty interesting... from Seattle: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1233970271318503426.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1233970271318503426.html)
From what I read, it would appear that Washington State is about to have a huge outbreak within days?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 01, 2020, 04:10:19 PM
WOW ! Talk about stupid!!!

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 01, 2020, 05:17:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Ju1ndxd.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dFXw69d.jpg)

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 01, 2020, 05:23:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Ju1ndxd.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dFXw69d.jpg)
Hey Wally, check out how I resized your pics. You can experiment with the numbers, but do us a favor, size them down, anyone on a mobile can't see them.

Just hit quoe on your post and look for this at the beginning of the address.

[img width=300 height=250]
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 01, 2020, 08:10:32 PM
So they claim...

Coronavirus: critically ill Chinese patient saved by stem cell therapy, study says
65-year-old woman in Kunming hospital intensive care unit showed no adverse effects to her first shot and after two was up and walking again, researchers say

A 65-year-old Chinese woman who fell seriously ill after being infected with the coronavirus made a startling recovery after being given stem cell therapy, according to a new study by Chinese scientists.
The patient had been fighting for her life in the intensive care unit at Baoshan Hospital in Kunming, the capital of southwest China’s Yunnan province, for nearly two weeks after contracting Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus.
But according to a paper published by a team of researchers from Kunming University led by Dr Hu Min, just four days after being given her first shot of umbilical cord stem cells, the woman was back on her feet and able to walk.
“Although only one case was shown here, it could be very important and inspire similar clinical practices in treating critically ill Covid-19 patients,” said the study, which was published on Thursday on Chinaxiv.org, a platform for the release of scientific papers that have yet to be peer-reviewed.
The treatment “might be an ideal choice to be used or combined with other immune modulating agents”, it said.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3053080/coronavirus-critically-ill-chinese-patient-saved-stem-cell
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 02, 2020, 04:58:14 AM
There is an upside to this bug...

Coronavirus: Iran council member close to supreme leader Khamenei dies of Covid-19

A member of a council that advises Iran’s supreme leader died on Monday after falling sick from the new coronavirus, state radio reported, becoming the first top official to succumb to the illness that is affecting members of the Islamic Republic’s leadership.
The death of Expediency Council member Mohammad Mirmohammadi came as Iran announced the virus had killed 66 people among 1,501 confirmed cases in the country.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/3064610/coronavirus-iran-council-member-close-supreme-leader-dies
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 02, 2020, 06:03:52 AM
Perfect example as to why socialized medicine will always fail when it's needed most.


Italy
Italy’s health system at limit in virus-struck Lombardy


MILAN (AP) — The coronavirus outbreak in northern Italy has so overwhelmed the public health system that officials are taking extraordinary measures to care for the sick, seeking to bring doctors...

https://apnews.com/837274f1bab9af1aab12f1b9481b2d62


Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 02, 2020, 09:26:52 AM
This is what I was trying to warn you about, people panicking.
This store is just down the mountain from me.

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CORONAVIRUS FEARS SEE MASK, HAND SANITIZER, WATER, TOILET PAPER SHORTAGES AT COSTCO, WALMART AND TARGET

ears over the COVID-19 virus have seen home supplies, including face masks, hand sanitizers, disinfectants, water, toilet paper and medication, run out at major retailers and local stores across the country.

Shoppers have been posting images of empty shelves on social media at various retail chains, including Costco, Walmart, Target and Home Depot. Consumers have reported shortages in California, Washington, Minnesota, Hawaii, and New York.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 03, 2020, 12:33:49 PM
Bodies piling up in Iran Morgue...

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 03, 2020, 12:49:47 PM
Coronavirus more deadly than flu but containable: WHO's Tedros

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-coronavirus-health-who/coronavirus-more-deadly-than-flu-but-containable-whos-tedros-idUSKBN20Q2G6
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: 1 CAT FAN on March 03, 2020, 04:45:32 PM
In the U.S., Walgreens, Home Depot, Lowe’s and True Value Hardware are reporting a sharp uptick in sales of masks over the past several weeks and say they are scrambling to get more from suppliers.

Dealmed, a New York company that makes and sells medical supplies, said it expects to sell out of face masks next week. It temporarily stopped taking orders from new customers a month ago and ended sales on Amazon and Walmart.com. It now is selling only to buyers that need them most, such as hospitals, doctors’ offices or government agencies.

Sales of gloves, gowns and other items jumped as much as 300% in February from the year before, said Michael Einhorn, Dealmed’s president. Sales of face masks are so astronomical, he said, he hasn’t been able to calculate them.

Dr. John Huber, a clinical psychologist and chairman of the Austin, Texas-based nonprofit Mainstream Mental Health, said retailers need to do a better job of allaying customers' fears and sharing the CDC's advice.

"It’s the fear of the unknown,’’ Huber said. “Once we understand something, we tend not to be so fearful.”
https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2020-02-28/coronavirus-fear-touches-off-a-global-run-on-face-masks (https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2020-02-28/coronavirus-fear-touches-off-a-global-run-on-face-masks)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 03, 2020, 04:57:23 PM
Bodies piling up in Iran Morgue...

Would not put it past iran or china, or north korea for that matter to use this to get rid of some undesirables.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: murph1953 on March 03, 2020, 06:39:01 PM
February 19, 2020
CytoSorbents Enters Agreement with China Medical System Holdings Limited to Bring CytoSorb to Mainland China to Treat Critically-ill Patients with COVID-19 Coronavirus Infection
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cytosorbents-enters-agreement-china-medical-120000872.html

February 28, 2020
CytoSorb Shipment Arrives in Designated Mainland China Hospitals to Treat Cytokine Storm in Critically-ill Patients with COVID-19 Coronavirus Infection
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cytosorb-shipment-arrives-designated-mainland-120000670.html

EU
Cytosorb
Already approved in EU:
click on "influenza" box on right side
https://literature.cytosorb-therapy.com/

Germany will probably soon be the 1st to announce a successful case report on COVID 19.
This saves lives of those in ICU.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 03, 2020, 06:46:28 PM
February 19, 2020
CytoSorbents Enters Agreement with China Medical System Holdings Limited to Bring CytoSorb to Mainland China to Treat Critically-ill Patients with COVID-19 Coronavirus Infection
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cytosorbents-enters-agreement-china-medical-120000872.html

February 28, 2020
CytoSorb Shipment Arrives in Designated Mainland China Hospitals to Treat Cytokine Storm in Critically-ill Patients with COVID-19 Coronavirus Infection
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cytosorb-shipment-arrives-designated-mainland-120000670.html

EU
Cytosorb
Already approved in EU:
click on "influenza" box on right side
https://literature.cytosorb-therapy.com/

Germany will probably soon be the 1st to announce a successful case report on COVID 19.
This saves lives of those in ICU.
Pretty cool, let's hope it's soon./
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 04, 2020, 12:01:33 PM
Too funny! Gone VIRAL. :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=238&v=6IOS7-4n12c&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 05, 2020, 11:18:18 AM

Not a nice bug...

A Beijing Hospital Confirms Covid-19 Attacks Central Nervous System

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/beijing-hospital-confirms-covid-19-attacks-central-nervous-system
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2020, 08:24:31 AM
It's the evil Jooos!!! :rolleyes:

This is what ignorance gets you, stupid people.

Title: 21 positive for coronavirus on cruise ship off California
Post by: Solar on March 06, 2020, 03:53:58 PM
21 positive for coronavirus on cruise ship off California

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Twenty-one people aboard a mammoth cruise ship off the California coast tested positive for the new coronavirus, including 19 crew members, Vice President Mike Pence announced Friday, amid evidence the vessel was the breeding ground for a deadly cluster of at least 10 cases during its previous voyage.

Federal officials have been working with California authorities and “we have developed a plan to bring the ship to a non-commercial port,” Pence said. “All passengers and crew will be tested for the virus. Those that will need to be quarantined will be quarantined. Those who will require medical help will receive it.”

Pence said 46 of the more than 3,500 people on board were tested in the first round. A military helicopter crew lowered test kits onto the 951-foot (290-meter) Grand Princess by rope Thursday and later retrieved them for analysis as the vessel waited off San Francisco, under orders to keep its distance from shore.

Health officials trying to establish whether the virus is circulating on the Grand Princess undertook the testing after reporting that a passenger on a previous voyage of the ship, in February, died of the disease.

In the past few days, health authorities disclosed that at least nine other people who were on the same journey also were found to be infected. And some passengers on that trip stayed aboard for the current voyage.

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Twenty-one people aboard a mammoth cruise ship off the California coast tested positive for the new coronavirus, including 19 crew members, Vice President Mike Pence announced Friday, amid evidence the vessel was the breeding ground for a deadly cluster of at least 10 cases during its previous voyage.

Federal officials have been working with California authorities and “we have developed a plan to bring the ship to a non-commercial port,” Pence said. “All passengers and crew will be tested for the virus. Those that will need to be quarantined will be quarantined. Those who will require medical help will receive it.”

Pence said 46 of the more than 3,500 people on board were tested in the first round. A military helicopter crew lowered test kits onto the 951-foot (290-meter) Grand Princess by rope Thursday and later retrieved them for analysis as the vessel waited off San Francisco, under orders to keep its distance from shore.

Health officials trying to establish whether the virus is circulating on the Grand Princess undertook the testing after reporting that a passenger on a previous voyage of the ship, in February, died of the disease.

In the past few days, health authorities disclosed that at least nine other people who were on the same journey also were found to be infected. And some passengers on that trip stayed aboard for the current voyage.

Video...

https://apnews.com/61a4efa966c02cbda9584f7266b99802
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: American Exceptionalism on March 07, 2020, 07:20:02 AM
A closer look at the Ebola drug that's become the top hope for a coronavirus treatment


Hopes are highest for remdesivir, an experimental antiviral developed by Gilead for use against Ebola but since pressed into study for the new coronavirus.

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/coronavirus-remdesivir-gilead-antiviral-drug-covid-19/573261/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 07, 2020, 08:12:54 AM
Leader Of Italy's Democratic Party Tests Positive For Covid-19, Iranian Lawmaker Dies: Live Updates


Democratic Party leader Nicola Zingarelli, one of the most powerful politicians in Italy, has tested positive for the coronavirus, Italian media reported on Saturday.


Since the beginning of the outbreak, Italy has been the epicenter of the outbreak in Europe; on Friday, the total number of confirmed cases in the country climbed above 4,500, with 197 deaths confirmed.

"I have coronavirus too," Zingaretti said in a video posted on Facebook, adding he was in self-isolation at home and that all the people he had been in contact with in the latest days were being contacted for checks. He said he was well.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/leader-italys-democratic-party-tests-positive-covid-19-live-updates
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on March 07, 2020, 01:18:49 PM
I dont know if you guys can open this link from facebook but it's hilariously funny..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.facebook.com/pedro.campos.18659/videos/10221901893195715/UzpfSTEwMDAwNTE5OTM2Nzc4MToxMzE3MjUxNzc4NDU4MTIy/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 07, 2020, 01:38:19 PM
I dont know if you guys can open this link from facebook but it's hilariously funny..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.facebook.com/pedro.campos.18659/videos/10221901893195715/UzpfSTEwMDAwNTE5OTM2Nzc4MToxMzE3MjUxNzc4NDU4MTIy/
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, I saw that yesterday when the wife showed me.  :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 07, 2020, 03:59:45 PM
Unprecedented! I know this area well, about 20 miles as the crow flies from me down in the foothills.
An upper middle income area, that didn't even exist till about 20 years ago, exploded under growth as Bay Area rats escaped their feces ridden city.

Now this? A Huge WTF!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=160&v=prsjjk_A0u8&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: murph1953 on March 09, 2020, 10:26:10 AM
Now china needs something made in the USA

"new weapon"! "total attack"!

This is translated from the sections just above the 3rd photo. See the blood-filled filter the middle MD is holding?
Caption beneath photo:
"Nephrology team launched hemofiltration adsorption and cytosorb adsorption treatment earlier"(肾内科团队较早开展血滤吸附和cytosorb吸附治疗)

https://www.sohu.com/a/377959531_102327

"Try new technologies and projects, give patients hope..

"The Nephrology team earlier launched hemofiltration adsorption and cytosorb adsorption to treat the inflammatory storm.
At its busiest time, the quality of 6 CRRTs was performed 24 hours simultaneously. So far, hemofiltration adsorption has been involved in the treatment of 7 patients, and all treated patients have decreased cytokines such as IL-6. In combination with other treatment measures, one patient was successfully extubated, and the other 6 patients had an average disease duration of more than 3 weeks, which prolonged the patient's life.

"They did not stop exploring. According to the literature, the cytokine adsorber has a better effect on the adsorption of inflammatory factors.

"Director Li Xuemei of the Department of Nephrology immediately contacted overseas purchases and donations to complete the ethical application. The adsorption columns from the United States and the supporting pipelines from Germany came to the Concord ICU ward.
Since March 3, "new weapons" have been used in clinical treatment, and it is expected to bring more benefits to early stage patients in severe cases.
尝试新技术新项目,给患者生的希望

肾内科团队较早开展血滤吸附和cytosorb吸附治疗炎症风暴。最忙的时候,6台CRRT质量同时24小时进行。截止目前,血滤吸附共参与治疗7例患者,所有经治患者升高的IL-6等细胞因子均下降。在联合其他治疗措施下,其中1例患者成功拔除气管插管,另外6例患者平均病程超过3周,延长了患者的生命。

他们没有停下探索脚步。据文献报道细胞因子吸附器对炎症因子吸附效果更好,肾内科李雪梅主任立即联系海外采购和捐赠,完成伦理申请,来自美国的吸附柱和德国的配套管路突破重重困难来到了协和ICU病房。3月3日起,“新型武器”被应用于临床治疗中,期待为重症中的早期患者带来更多收益。
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Last paragraphs

"Under the guidance of Secretary Zhang Shuyang and Deputy Dean Han Ding, the third group of medical team members quickly integrated into the Concord Army with "addition for treatment" and launched a "total attack" on the treatment of severe new coronary pneumonia. With the continuous deepening of people's understanding of the new coronavirus and the continuous exploration of treatment options, an increasingly mature comprehensive diagnosis and treatment plan for severe and critically ill patients is being formed. When the smoke spreads, the Concorde responds loudly with a determined voice: "I'm here!"

在张抒扬书记、韩丁副院长的指导下,第三批医疗队员秉持着“为救治做加法”飞快融入协和大军,向着重症新冠肺炎救治发起“总攻”。随着人们对新型冠状病毒认识的不断深入,对治疗方案的持续探索,一个越来越成熟的、面向重症和危重症患者的综合诊治方案正在形成。当硝烟弥散时,协和人将以坚毅的声音作出响亮的回答:“我在!”
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Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 09, 2020, 11:35:37 AM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 09, 2020, 05:19:14 PM
This is bad news no matter what. If a gust of wind comes up, and it can live for 30 minutes?
All I can say, is stay out of crowded areas...

Coronavirus can travel twice as far as official ‘safe distance’ and stay in air for 30 minutes, Chinese study finds

The coronavirus that causes Covid-19 can linger in the air for at least 30 minutes and travel up to 4.5 metres – further than the “safe distance” advised by health authorities around the world, according to a study by a team of Chinese government epidemiologists.

The researchers also found that it can last for days on a surface where respiratory droplets land, raising the risk of transmission if unsuspecting people touch it and then rub their face.
The length of time it lasts on the surface depends on factors such as temperature and the type of surface, for example at around 37C (98F), it can survive for two to three days on glass, fabric, metal, plastic or paper.

These findings, from a group of official researchers from Hunan province investigating a cluster case, challenge the advice from health authorities around the world that people should remain apart at a “safe distance” of one to two metres (three to six and a half feet).

Their work was based on a local outbreak case on January 22 during the peak Lunar New Year travel season. A passenger, known as “A”, boarded a fully booked long-distance coach and settled down on the second row from the back.

The passenger already felt sick at that point but it was before China had declared the coronavirus outbreak a national crisis, so “A” did not wear a mask, nor did most of the other passengers or the driver on the 48-seat bus.

More...

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3074351/coronavirus-can-travel-twice-far-official-safe-distance-and-stay
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 09, 2020, 07:00:04 PM
Coronavirus: nearly 200 North Korea soldiers ‘die from outbreak government refuses to acknowledge’

Hundreds of North Korean soldiers have reportedly died from the coronavirus – and thousands of others are being quarantined. But the secretive nation's leaders are sticking to the official narrative that the global epidemic has not reached them.
According to Daily NK, a South Korean news organisation, the Covid-19 virus killed 180 North Korean soldiers in January and February and has sent another 3,700 into quarantine. And according to South Korea's government-backed Yonhap News Agency, almost 10,000 people have been quarantined over coronavirus fears, but nearly 4,000 have been released since they did not present symptoms.

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/3074377/coronavirus-nearly-200-north-korea-soldiers-die-outbreak
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 09, 2020, 09:34:04 PM
Incoming Trump chief of staff to self-quarantine

Washington (AFP) - Incoming White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has self-quarantined after he may have come into contact with a person who tested positive for the coronavirus, his spokesman said Monday.

Meadows is not exhibiting symptoms and a precautionary test came back negative, the spokesman said on Twitter.

"Mark Meadows was advised this weekend that now 12 days prior at CPAC, he may have come into contact with the COVID-19 positive test individual," the tweet said, referring to a conservative conference in late February.

"He'll be self-quarantined till the 14 day period passes Wednesday."

US President Donald Trump announced Friday he had chosen staunch ally Meadows to be his new chief of staff -- the fourth person to hold the position since he took office.

https://news.yahoo.com/incoming-trump-chief-staff-self-quarantine-032057146.html
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: murph1953 on March 09, 2020, 10:12:38 PM
Earlier today, Dr. Chan on the Liz Claman show, Fox Business

Coronavirus treatment developer hopes FDA will fast-track the therapy in US
CytoSorbents CEO Dr. Phillip Chan, MD, discusses his company’s CytoSorb devices which are currently being used on coronavirus patients in China.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/shows/the-claman-countdown
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 10, 2020, 02:29:22 AM
Coronavirus: nearly 200 North Korea soldiers ‘die from outbreak government refuses to acknowledge’

Hundreds of North Korean soldiers have reportedly died from the coronavirus – and thousands of others are being quarantined. But the secretive nation's leaders are sticking to the official narrative that the global epidemic has not reached them.
According to Daily NK, a South Korean news organisation, the Covid-19 virus killed 180 North Korean soldiers in January and February and has sent another 3,700 into quarantine. And according to South Korea's government-backed Yonhap News Agency, almost 10,000 people have been quarantined over coronavirus fears, but nearly 4,000 have been released since they did not present symptoms.

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/3074377/coronavirus-nearly-200-north-korea-soldiers-die-outbreak
The soldiers are probably among the healthiest in N.K, I would guess the general population has numbers at least ten times higher.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 10, 2020, 05:03:42 AM
The soldiers are probably among the healthiest in N.K, I would guess the general population has numbers at least ten times higher.
I was thinking the same. Their medical care in 17th century, witch doctors and herbs. Only the wealthy elite, meaning party members get actual medical care.
It must be Hell inside the prison...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 10, 2020, 05:30:51 AM
I was thinking the same. Their medical care in 17th century, witch doctors and herbs. Only the wealthy elite, meaning party members get actual medical care.
It must be Hell inside the prison...
I can not imagine.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 10, 2020, 05:49:08 AM
I can not imagine.
I can, only because my job was to spy on the other side. Honestly, it was like watching a historical documentary in real life, as if you had taken a time machine centuries into the past.
The only machine you saw, was hand made tools and oxen, every now and then a military vehicle from the war would make an appearance, as a reminder this is today.

Even the packs they wore were made of twigs and skins of assorted animals sewn together attached to the backs of people not much over 80 lbs each and hunched over. They were mere shells of humans. Images I'll never forget...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: topside on March 10, 2020, 05:51:23 AM
I was checking today at:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

What I find interesting, based on the plots, is that the virus is spreading at a linear rate. Viruses naturally spread at an exponential rate - one infects ten infects one-hundred infects ... If you look at the plots on a linear scale, it is increasing on a "line" ... meaning linearly. On a logarithmic scale (button over the plot), the spread flattens out ... so not spreading exponentially (at least yet).

That tells me that it may be there is enough proactive reaction that the natural growth rate is being kept under control. Not sure how long that can keep up ... hopefully long enough for a vaccine to be distributed (~12-18 months).

At the linear growth rate, they are reporting about 100k cases per month (only one months worth of data so far ... so this is a questionable estimate). But if that maintain, we can expect about 1.8 million cases (world-wide) before the virus is distributed. Although, the public / professionals are learning how better to deal with the virus. My best guess is that this will escalate before it improves ... mostly because some will not heed the proactive suggestions. 

Viruses naturally grow as: xt = x0 (1+r)^t where xt is the total infected population, x0 is the population infected at some initial time, r is the rate of growth (depends on the virus), and t is time (^ means t is an exponent). What is alarming is that the growth rate r is large because the virus can infect others for longer times than most and at longer distances.

The cycle breaks down when people stop infecting each other (no, duh). For example, China seems to have experienced unchecked (exponential) virus growth in the beginning, but now people are fearful and staying home ... which can break the cycle if they stay in relative isolation until people recover (immune systems kill the virus) or they die. China is an example of how dire an exponential situation can become, and so rapidly.

The curves suggest that the natural growth is checked - not growing exponentially world-wide. It's yet to be seen if the total infections curve stays linear, escalates, or (God willing) flattens out. But, for now, the growth appears linear ... that's not good for some, but good for most of us. Much, much better than the exponential alternative.


Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 10, 2020, 10:26:48 AM
New York Deploys National Guard to Set Up Coronavirus Containment Area

Say What? The “panic that you see is unwarranted,” the governor added.     Yet here he is setting up quarantine zones?


New York National Guard troops were deployed Tuesday to assemble a containment area as part of the state’s effort to combat the spread of the coronavirus.

The deployment to a New Rochelle command post comes after Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) announced an additional 25 cases of the deadly illness were confirmed overnight. Though Cuomo did not comment on the development in New Rochelle, the Westchester County town where a bulk of the state’s 165 cases are located, he did tell CNN that officials are “taking more dramatic actions in that cluster.” The “panic that you see is unwarranted,” the governor added. “We have dealt with worse viruses.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/10/new-york-deploys-national-guard-to-set-up-coronavirus-containment-area/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 10, 2020, 12:47:56 PM
New York Deploys National Guard to Set Up Coronavirus Containment Area

Say What? The “panic that you see is unwarranted,” the governor added.     Yet here he is setting up quarantine zones?


New York National Guard troops were deployed Tuesday to assemble a containment area as part of the state’s effort to combat the spread of the coronavirus.

The deployment to a New Rochelle command post comes after Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) announced an additional 25 cases of the deadly illness were confirmed overnight. Though Cuomo did not comment on the development in New Rochelle, the Westchester County town where a bulk of the state’s 165 cases are located, he did tell CNN that officials are “taking more dramatic actions in that cluster.” The “panic that you see is unwarranted,” the governor added. “We have dealt with worse viruses.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/03/10/new-york-deploys-national-guard-to-set-up-coronavirus-containment-area/
Here's NY in a week or two.

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 10, 2020, 03:57:07 PM
Americans are getting ready...

goes well with a MAGA Hat
(https://i.imgur.com/EUhjcszm.jpg)

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 11, 2020, 04:37:37 AM
Nancy's Nephew Didn't stick to Marxist talking points... :thumbsup:


Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 11, 2020, 10:30:52 AM
Officially Now A Pandemic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwJrc3NZxgg
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 11, 2020, 03:55:02 PM
NY gov. Cuomo appeared on Morning Joe and said the Federal Government's response is like the response to Katrina. If I didn't know better I'd think the Dems have colluded with the Chinese Communists to infect a few thousand of their people to create a pandemic and crash the worldwide economy just to take down Trump and go back to business as usual.  Sounds too much like a novel to be true though. 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 11, 2020, 07:52:07 PM
Can we be honest here? It's pretty damned obvious this is more than just your run of the mill virus.
Closing venues of all kinds, quarantining people, areas, and now cities? When has this ever happened in the past?

Yeah, I know the claims, the flu is just as deadly, but there's never been this reaction worldwide over the flu.

Fact is, they don't want us to know. What they don't want us to know is rather obvious so as to avoid panic, but it's beginning to appear that may wind up unavoidable.

Stay safe, wash your hands, avoid crowds as best as possible, and use disinfectant wipes on everything that you come in contact with, like groceries and mail/packages.
You can't be too careful with this bug, it is definitely a nasty one.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: 1 CAT FAN on March 11, 2020, 08:31:08 PM
The NCAA made the unprecedented decision Wednesday to hold its men's and women's basketball tournaments without fans because of the ongoing coronavirus crisis.

"While I understand how disappointing this is for all fans of our sports, my decision is based on the current understanding of how COVID-19 is progressing in the United States," NCAA president Mark Emmert said in a statement. "This decision is in the best interest of public health, including that of coaches, administrators, fans and, most importantly, our student-athletes. We recognize the opportunity to compete in an NCAA national championship is an experience of a lifetime for the students and their families. Today, we will move forward and conduct championships consistent with the current information and will continue to monitor and make adjustments as needed."

Emmert told The Associated Press that canceling was considered.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28885422/ncaa-says-tournament-go-fans (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28885422/ncaa-says-tournament-go-fans)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 12, 2020, 04:35:27 AM
Can we be honest here? It's pretty damned obvious this is more than just your run of the mill virus.
Closing venues of all kinds, quarantining people, areas, and now cities? When has this ever happened in the past?

Yeah, I know the claims, the flu is just as deadly, but there's never been this reaction worldwide over the flu.

Fact is, they don't want us to know. What they don't want us to know is rather obvious so as to avoid panic, but it's beginning to appear that may wind up unavoidable.

Stay safe, wash your hands, avoid crowds as best as possible, and use disinfectant wipes on everything that you come in contact with, like groceries and mail/packages.
You can't be too careful with this bug, it is definitely a nasty one.
This might also be how the next wars will be fought. It does not look as if this virus developed naturally. If china developed it and it got away from them, they got a good look at how the world would respond.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on March 12, 2020, 06:03:00 AM
(https://scontent.fden3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89925834_10218056579347759_8529013693541777408_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=3WL3__77rVEAX_WxrGq&_nc_ht=scontent.fden3-1.fna&oh=660a5ca0d5244a0f15bc79ac7c416404&oe=5E8F76D7)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 12, 2020, 06:18:05 AM
This might also be how the next wars will be fought. It does not look as if this virus developed naturally. If china developed it and it got away from them, they got a good look at how the world would respond.
Good point.
I was looking at China as a whole and how Trump literally just eviscerated their economy, Hong Kong defiant, Taiwan backed by the US, and China unable to feed their burgeoning army, too may people reaching retirement age and no way to support them.
CCP was backed into a corner and felt they had no other recourse than to remove the weak and elderly. These are commie scum after all, where people are pawns to used in their quest for even more power.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if China had been working on this to control their own population. With an economy finally placed in Check and a growing population, there was no way they could afford what was about to strike.
Though I do believe it's release was premature. Because the CCP is all about profit and control, but without a vaccine in place, they lose out on profit to the world when a vaccine is finally developed.

China hates what Trump did to them, (Think Reagan and the USSR) Trump had literally won the Cold war without firing a shot, but China had been working on a dooms day device set for a retaliatory strike that they could turn off whenever the desired results had been achieved, but it went off too soon without a defense to it, and now China can't stop it.

I've been following this since the first week the outbreak occurred in Wuhan and I think many in the party were as shocked as everyone else, they simply had no idea the party had this secret they were hiding, which explains how a small faction tried to suppress the truth.
It took at least a week before the truth began to work its way out, and another week to figure out what to do about it, but it was already too late.
Yeah, I've been piecing this puzzle together for quite sometime now, though I may be wrong on the timeline, there is no doubt in my mind for the reasons behind this virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 12, 2020, 06:29:49 AM
Good point.
I was looking at China as a whole and how Trump literally just eviscerated their economy, Hong Kong defiant, Taiwan backed by the US, and China unable to feed their burgeoning army, too may people reaching retirement age and no way to support them.
CCP was backed into a corner and felt they had no other recourse than to remove the weak and elderly. These are commie scum after all, where people are pawns to used in their quest for even more power.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if China had been working on this to control their own population. With an economy finally placed in Check and a growing population, there was no way they could afford what was about to strike.
Though I do believe it's release was premature. Because the CCP is all about profit and control, but without a vaccine in place, they lose out on profit to the world when a vaccine is finally developed.

China hates what Trump did to them, (Think Reagan and the USSR) Trump had literally won the Cold war without firing a shot, but China had been working on a dooms day device set for a retaliatory strike that they could turn off whenever the desired results had been achieved, but it went off too soon without a defense to it, and now China can't stop it.

I've been following this since the first week the outbreak occurred in Wuhan and I think many in the party were as shocked as everyone else, they simply had no idea the party had this secret they were hiding, which explains how a small faction tried to suppress the truth.
It took at least a week before the truth began to work its way out, and another week to figure out what to do about it, but it was already too late.
Yeah, I've been piecing this puzzle together for quite sometime now, though I may be wrong on the timeline, there is no doubt in my mind for the reasons behind this virus.
The places that have very little of the virus, Mongolia, Hong Kong, Russia,ect  all closed their borders back in January. Wow, looks like if you can control who comes into your country, you can control what diseases come into your country. Wonder if any dems are listening. 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 12, 2020, 07:05:25 AM
The places that have very little of the virus, Mongolia, Hong Kong, Russia,ect  all closed their borders back in January. Wow, looks like if you can control who comes into your country, you can control what diseases come into your country. Wonder if any dems are listening.
Trump knows the truth and that's why we're not having the issues the rest of the world is suffering. Sadly, the Dims are hoping for American deaths so they can blame Trump, but if you look at their track record for success, I think they're in for a huge letdown. :lol:

How sad it that, a party that's supposed to love the country, would wish for the deaths of Americans? Trump killed China, he can definitely end the Communist DNC. :thumbup:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 12, 2020, 07:55:54 AM
I'd hate to be someone who would be accused of spreading conspiracy theories...But...isn't it coincidental that when the attempt to impeach Trump failed that something just came out of China that is collapsing the world economy and along with it President Trump's strongest case for reelection, which is the great economy he has created.  It's no secret that China wants Trump gone so they can return to business as usual.

(https://i.imgur.com/iLAs6o0l.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: joesixpack on March 12, 2020, 08:10:21 AM
So...are we panicking about this yet or nah?

The markets have tanked. My favorite league canceled their season.

Every event in town is canceled.

 :unsure:

I dunno...things seem serious now. Every night I watch the news and there's another 100+ deaths in Italy
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 12, 2020, 09:18:24 AM
So...are we panicking about this yet or nah?

The markets have tanked. My favorite league canceled their season.

Every event in town is canceled.

 :unsure:

I dunno...things seem serious now. Every night I watch the news and there's another 100+ deaths in Italy
I don't think the majority of Americans are in a panic over it, while some are glued to the TV and panic buying, the rest take it for what it is and prepare and stay home.
I'm in the latter category where I know the threat is very real, but also know it's my responsibility to be vigilant. The govt can only do so much.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: 1 CAT FAN on March 12, 2020, 09:32:03 AM
The NCAA made the unprecedented decision Wednesday to hold its men's and women's basketball tournaments without fans because of the ongoing coronavirus crisis.

"While I understand how disappointing this is for all fans of our sports, my decision is based on the current understanding of how COVID-19 is progressing in the United States," NCAA president Mark Emmert said in a statement. "This decision is in the best interest of public health, including that of coaches, administrators, fans and, most importantly, our student-athletes. We recognize the opportunity to compete in an NCAA national championship is an experience of a lifetime for the students and their families. Today, we will move forward and conduct championships consistent with the current information and will continue to monitor and make adjustments as needed."

Emmert told The Associated Press that canceling was considered.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28885422/ncaa-says-tournament-go-fans (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28885422/ncaa-says-tournament-go-fans)

ACC cancels the rest of basketball tournament. Awards Florida State as tournament champions.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 12, 2020, 09:50:40 AM
Trump Could Have the Virus.

Brazilian Official Pictured With President Trump Tests Positive For Coronavirus

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 12, 2020, 03:10:25 PM
Sacramento County announces ending all 14-day quarantines and releasing high-risk people into the general public

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-12-theyre-trying-to-spread-it-sacramento-county-announces-ending-coronavirus-quarantines.html

hy in the world would they be doing this?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 12, 2020, 04:37:51 PM
Sacramento County announces ending all 14-day quarantines and releasing high-risk people into the general public

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-12-theyre-trying-to-spread-it-sacramento-county-announces-ending-coronavirus-quarantines.html

hy in the world would they be doing this?
They're liberals, they want to hurt Trump as much as possible.
Seriously, that's the only thing I can think of. This is my hometown, the left destroyed it!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 12, 2020, 06:01:15 PM
My own shanty Irish opinion of course but my take on this is it is politically motivated PANIC, restrict people from China, Italy or wherever there seems to be a majority of cases, canceling St Patricks day parades and gatherings over 250 like the leftist idiots in maryland are trying to due is just complete nonsense.
Title: US summons Chinese ambassador over Covid claims
Post by: Solar on March 13, 2020, 01:57:55 PM

The United States on Friday summoned China's ambassador after a senior official in Beijing tweeted the "ridiculous" suggestion that the US military started the Covid-19 pandemic, the US State Department said.

David Stilwell, the top US diplomat for Asia, gave a "stern representation" to Ambassador Cui Tiankai a day after foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian tweeted the conspiracy theory.

"China is seeking to deflect criticism for its role in starting a global pandemic and not telling the world," a State Department official said.

"Spreading conspiracy theories is dangerous and ridiculous. We wanted to put the government on notice we won't tolerate it, for the good of the Chinese people and the world," the official said.

Zhao, in tweets both Putonghua and English that gained wide traction on Chinese social media, a day earlier suggested that "patient zero" in the global pandemic may have come from the United States – not Wuhan, where cases were first reported late last year.

"It might be US army who brought the epidemic to Wuhan. Be transparent! Make public your data! US owe us an explanation," tweeted Zhao, who is known for his provocative statements on social media.

Scientists widely believe that the pandemic started in a market in Wuhan that sold exotic animals for consumption.

Cui, in contrast to Zhao, is known for his diplomatic approach and has publicly called for US-Chinese cooperation against the pandemic. (AFP)

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1514382-20200314.htm
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: 1 CAT FAN on March 13, 2020, 03:11:08 PM
This thing is beginning to become similar to one of those Hollywood movies.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on March 14, 2020, 02:49:33 AM
The struggle is real and has entered into Rod Serling territory.

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Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: midcan5 on March 14, 2020, 04:37:50 AM
The lesson here is the republican party today is a danger both to democracy and to the people. The effort starting largely by Reagan to destroy government shows today. South Korea is ahead of us in virus testing as is China. Thoughtful conservatives learn this lesson and vote for progress next time.  Trump answers tough questions from reporters like a school yard bully. Shooting the messenger is the response of the guilty. Time to bring back government of the people not special interests.

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."  Thomas Jefferson

'Did Trump Administration Fire the US Pandemic Response Team?' As a new coronavirus spread in 2020, so did concerns about the United States' preparedness for a potential pandemic.'https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

"Every Wednesday morning, a group of conspirators meets to plot out how to most effectively attack the federal government. This is not a group of rag-tag terrorists – they wear $2,000 suits and occupy powerful positions in society. But their ideas are politically radical and they do pose a real threat to the normal workings of government in the U.S. They are a group of leading conservatives who believe that government is a malevolent force in society and they have a fierce determination to drastically cut it back. They are convinced that the central problem in our country is too much government – too many social programs, too many regulations, and too much taxation – and they are committed to doing something about it." 

http://www.governmentisgood.com/articles.php?aid=9

"For decades conservatives have been demonizing government and not enough has been done to defend it.  Ever since Ronald Reagan declared in 1981 that "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem," Republicans have been waging a political war against this institution. They have been joined in this anti-government crusade by libertarian thinkers, Tea Party activists, right-wing media pundits, and wealthy corporate lobbies.  This powerful political coalition blithely ignores anything good about government and conducts a relentless smear campaign against this institution.  They constantly play upon the fears and insecurities of average Americans and encourage them to blame all their problems on big bad government."   http://www.governmentisgood.com/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 14, 2020, 07:30:22 AM
The lesson here is the republican party today is a danger both to democracy and to the people. The effort starting largely by Reagan to destroy government shows today. South Korea is ahead of us in virus testing as is China. Thoughtful conservatives learn this lesson and vote for progress next time.  Trump answers tough questions from reporters like a school yard bully. Shooting the messenger is the response of the guilty. Time to bring back government of the people not special interests.

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."  Thomas Jefferson

'Did Trump Administration Fire the US Pandemic Response Team?' As a new coronavirus spread in 2020, so did concerns about the United States' preparedness for a potential pandemic.'https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

"Every Wednesday morning, a group of conspirators meets to plot out how to most effectively attack the federal government. This is not a group of rag-tag terrorists – they wear $2,000 suits and occupy powerful positions in society. But their ideas are politically radical and they do pose a real threat to the normal workings of government in the U.S. They are a group of leading conservatives who believe that government is a malevolent force in society and they have a fierce determination to drastically cut it back. They are convinced that the central problem in our country is too much government – too many social programs, too many regulations, and too much taxation – and they are committed to doing something about it." 

http://www.governmentisgood.com/articles.php?aid=9

"For decades conservatives have been demonizing government and not enough has been done to defend it.  Ever since Ronald Reagan declared in 1981 that "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem," Republicans have been waging a political war against this institution. They have been joined in this anti-government crusade by libertarian thinkers, Tea Party activists, right-wing media pundits, and wealthy corporate lobbies.  This powerful political coalition blithely ignores anything good about government and conducts a relentless smear campaign against this institution.  They constantly play upon the fears and insecurities of average Americans and encourage them to blame all their problems on big bad government."   http://www.governmentisgood.com/
A couple of things here. One, were not a fuckin Democracy, and Two, Reagan had a good start in gutting an over bloated govt.
Yes, big govt is evil, it creates absolute nothing but red tape and bureaucracy, it's sole goal is self preservation and to do that it needs to write rules for its very existence.
The few simple rules the fed was charged with, but you idiot libs tried to handicap, yes, protecting our borders, that was the main purpose of a Federal Govt, to protect the states!!!

But idiots like you have grown govt well beyond its simple purview and started to see it as some all might God designed to slap States Rights into submission and protect people, cradle to grave.

Let me be the first to enlighten you.
We're in the process of gutting the Fed and taking it back to what our Founders had intended.
If you didn't buy insurance for yourself, then too God damn bad, it is not govts responsibility to coddle your worthless ass, that is your responsibility!!!

You have a truly warped view of what our govt is supposed to do, I suggest you read the Constitution now and again. No where does it say other people should pay for your worthless ass if you get sick, that has always been your responsibility!!!!!
Title: Obama waited until millions of Americans were infected with swine flu, 1000 died
Post by: wally on March 14, 2020, 11:01:21 AM
Democrats and their left-wing media minions have wasted no time politicizing the coronavirus outbreak to attack President Trump. Unfortunately for them, the facts smack them in the face.

This week, the New York Times called the coronavirus the “Trumpvirus,”  and the rest of the Left gleefully cheered for a stock market crash in the hopes that it’ll hurt Trump’s chances for reelection.

Notably, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senator Chuck Schumer, and Democratic presidential candidates Joe Biden and Mike Bloomberg accused President Trump of waiting too long to counteract the spread of the coronavirus.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/03/01/obama-waited-until-millions-of-americans-were-infected-with-swine-flu-1000-died-before-acting-892677?fbclid=IwAR36imjVxBYrZPxhlOfucD-TfiM1SthX81qIlyN8zJBXNr149F8Xm1FAR5s

While the outbreak of the covid-19 virus itself is not a hoax, the media and the rest of the Democrats an NeverTrumpers have created a hoax by treating this SARS 2 virus as if it were the end of the world.  They have crashed the market and are doing a great job of instilling a panic and destroying the great economy that President Trump created.

The "Hoax" is the way they have hyped this as opposed to the way the media acted to calm fears during past pandemics such as SARS, Ebola and Swine Flue.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on March 14, 2020, 01:00:22 PM
I found this interesting and quite true.  Toy

Uncontrolled borders have consequences...

I wrote more than a year ago pointing out that in most western nations we have tough restrictions moving livestock across our international border and for good reason. As a practicing large animal veterinarian of more than two decades, I've completed thousands of health certificates for the international shipment of livestock.

We are a nation of free trade, free markets, free travel, and we are welcoming people. Those elements are essential to our country - but we need to prudently review our border control policy as a component of our overall public health.

As the impact of Coronavirus (COVID-19) grows, we see that among the deadliest hot spots is northern Italy. As someone who understands "herd health" in the animal world - many of the same principles apply when looking at human populations. Italy has "allowed" an uncontrolled influx of illegal cheaper workers, some of whom originated from China. They are now working to remedy that but they are already at crisis.

Contrast that with our neighbors to the south Mexico who have almost no reported cases of Coronavirus. They are staying ahead of the crisis and seriously considering restricting border access to their nation to protect their people and healthcare systems.

The fact is, not only is a controlled international border/ports of entry important to protecting workers from exploitation, preventing human trafficking, and stemming the flow of illegal drugs, but it's an important component to our overall public health policy because it is often the front line of defense against microscopic invaders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch…
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 14, 2020, 01:52:37 PM
To keep this in the vivid thread - Wally, the Harvard prof was getting paid buy wuhan university in China. The official reports are its just a coincidence, that he is not suspected of any ties to the virus.

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Norseman on March 14, 2020, 02:34:49 PM
People are going to look back at this and be embarrassed.

Lets close down our Schools

Lets shutdown all our sporting events

And make sure it gets blamed on Trump

I went to the Store last night and saw people! The bars had cars parked outside of them

And Walmart was open

This whole thing is blown way out of proportion. It shows that the Left wing propaganda machine still works
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on March 15, 2020, 04:00:48 AM
Straight-talking Fauci explains outbreak to a worried nation.

https://apnews.com/e9d289a802222800a6eeb56e6be28333
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on March 15, 2020, 08:39:22 AM
Well this is interesting... Wonder if this was real.  Toy

(https://scontent.fden3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89919421_2749217421800652_445559615229263872_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=iEU_z3NoZDwAX9uf5jG&_nc_ht=scontent.fden3-1.fna&oh=45066befdb83a301b1de375a5402e73e&oe=5E92ECEE)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 15, 2020, 08:49:42 AM
Well this is interesting... Wonder if this was real.  Toy

(https://scontent.fden3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89919421_2749217421800652_445559615229263872_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=iEU_z3NoZDwAX9uf5jG&_nc_ht=scontent.fden3-1.fna&oh=45066befdb83a301b1de375a5402e73e&oe=5E92ECEE)
Gee, could it be Trump saw a flaw in preparedness? Nah, can't be, the left would never stand for real leadership that might expose Obozo for the failure he is.
Or, as you allude to, did our spies know something was in the works? Either way, it would appear that Trump was way ahead of the curve.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 15, 2020, 09:13:39 AM
Here's the point I was making earlier about global media. It isn't just leftist media, every news source out there is hyper focused on COVID.'
This is Reuters, but they're all the same and this is in less than an hour.


The Wire
Real-time Reuters coverage of the world's financial markets, political capitals and conflict zones.


World News
22 MINUTES AGO

Britain set to isolate people over 70 as it steps up coronavirus plan
FILE PHOTO: Pedestrians cross the road as a woman wears a protective mask, as the number of coronavirus cases grow around the world, in London, Britain March 13, 2020. REUTERS/Dylan Martinez
Britain will isolate older people "within weeks" and force into quarantine anyone diagnosed with coronavirus, the government said as it stepped up measures that have so far been less stringent than elsewhere in Europe.

Politics
29 MINUTES AGO

U.S. eyes aid for airlines; sees no domestic travel curbs for now
FILE PHOTO: An empty International Terminal of San Francisco International Airport is pictured after the U.S. air travel ban, in San Francisco, California, U.S. March 13, 2020.REUTERS/Kate Munsch/File Photo
U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin on Sunday said he was in close touch with Congress about helping U.S. airlines weather a massive downturn in business due to sweeping travel restrictions aimed at containing the coronavirus.

World News
33 MINUTES AGO

Two Goldman Sachs employees test positive for coronavirus
Goldman Sachs Group Inc said on Sunday two of its employees were diagnosed with coronavirus.

Business News
35 MINUTES AGO

Egypt's central bank ready to intervene if necessary
Egypt's central bank said on Sunday it was ready to intervene immediately to maintain banking and monetary stability if necessary, after the government announced steps to contain the coronavirus outbreak.

World News
39 MINUTES AGO

Bulgaria to pay medics on coronavirus frontline extra
FILE PHOTO: Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borissov leaves the second day of the European Union leaders summit, held to discuss the EU's long-term budget for 2021-2027, in Brussels, Belgium, February 21, 2020. REUTERS/Francois Lenoir
Bulgaria will raise the salaries of all medics involved in treating coronavirus patients by 1000 levs ($566) per month as it steps up measures to contain the fast-spreading infection, Prime Minister Boyko Borissov said on Sunday.

World News
40 MINUTES AGO

Bulgaria to ban incoming flights from Italy, Spain
Bulgaria will ban incoming flights from Italy and Spain as of midnight (2200 GMT) on March 17 as part of measures to contain the spread of coronavirus, its transport minister said.

World News
40 MINUTES AGO

Austria announces major restrictions on movement over coronavirus
FILE PHOTO: The vegetable storage is seen near empty amid coronavirus fears spreading in Vienna, Austria March 14, 2020. REUTERS/Lisi Niesner
Austria's chancellor announced major restrictions on movement in public places on Sunday, banning gatherings of more than five persons and urging Austrians to self-isolate, as well as putting further limits on who can enter the country.

World News
40 MINUTES AGO

Two medics at Austrian hospital test positive for coronavirus
Two medical workers have tested positive for coronavirus in Austria's university hospital Uniklinum Salzburg, the regional authorities reported on Sunday.

World News
41 MINUTES AGO

Philippines' coronavirus death toll rises to 12, cases spike to 140
The Philippines recorded four additional coronavirus deaths and 29 new cases, bringing the domestic tally of infections to 140, as authorities placed the entire capital Manila under "community quarantine" for about a month beginning

https://www.reuters.com/theWire
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 15, 2020, 02:36:28 PM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 15, 2020, 03:11:21 PM
Toy sent me this. It reflects perfectly why we insist people back up their BS. Feeding the lie....

Something fascinating about the human mind... If you hear the same thing from 3 different people and or sources, it starts to become fact in that person's mind.

Even if the three people all heard it from the same single source (that started it)... And that source was lying or giving false information... Now that original person believes it to be real, because no way three other people would be wrong or lying to them.

Now, that original person is going to go around and tell everyone from they heard from the three people like it's a fact. Now everybody who hears it, will feel like it's fact, because this person is very confident in what they're saying (remember, no way would 3 people be wrong or all lying to them)... Now those people tell other people and so forth and so on... Now thousands believe something as fact because they heard it from all these other people...

Now, by the time it gets out this far, it has trickled down to the people who don't actually research, but believe everything they hear as fact and spread it as such.

In the end, it all came from one single source and that original source was lying or purposely feeding misinformation.

Be careful out there and don't believe anything you hear unless you track down the source or research it for yourself.

This is exactly how the media operates (and quite frankly, I see it a lot in the truther community as more and more people get involved).

We must be careful.

Nick Reeder
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: topside on March 15, 2020, 04:53:37 PM
So this is an embarrassing question. But during this Covid-19 outbreak, there has been a problem with people hoarding toilet paper. What's the deal with toilet paper hoarding?

I hear that in some middle east countries they just use their left hand to clear things up afterward; never shake the left hand of someone from Bangladesh. The Sears catalog used to be a favorite in Out Houses. I think we finally found something that the NY Times can be useful for. Leaves also work, or pages from those old books you've been stock-piling for no good reason can be put to hygienic use - Gone With the Wind can get you through a month easy. A towel and bucket of water works too - just rinse the towel after every dump. It's not ideal, but certainly not panic worthy.

Why are people panicked over toilet paper?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 15, 2020, 05:17:35 PM
So this is an embarrassing question. But during this Covid-19 outbreak, there has been a problem with people hoarding toilet paper. What's the deal with toilet paper hoarding?

I hear that in some middle east countries they just use their left hand to clear things up afterward; never shake the left hand of someone from Bangladesh. The Sears catalog used to be a favorite in Out Houses. I think we finally found something that the NY Times can be useful for. Leaves also work, or pages from those old books you've been stock-piling for no good reason can be put to hygienic use - Gone With the Wind can get you through a month easy. A towel and bucket of water works too - just rinse the towel after every dump. It's not ideal, but certainly not panic worthy.

Why are people panicked over toilet paper?

/quote]

People are panicing because they listen to and believe the media....I don't get the toilet paper thing, going to the grocery for routine shopping mrs Billy said the placed was packed and people were buying out the shelves. She just shook her head.

People in differet countries dont really use paper, especially Japan where they consider the practise unclean & Unsanitary, they use water ad most public places have ad electroic toilet that sprays your butt with water and air dries it and adds a dash of cologne all from a butto control panel on the side.

Lots of Asian countries use just water some a sponge. Of course the Middle east uses "Dung hand food hand"....plus....Sand
Title: Experimental coronavirus drug brings woman ‘back from brink of death’
Post by: mrclose on March 15, 2020, 05:50:02 PM

Quote
Using an experimental drug, scientists in the US have managed to save a victim they feared “was going to pass away”.

The patient is a woman was confirmed as the first case of community transmission in the US.

She tested positive for COVID-19 on February 26.

The patient had had not travelled to an infected area or been in known contact with a confirmed case, according to scientists from the University of California Davis Medical Center.

The woman’s condition deteriorated significantly, and she became critical.


She was then given special permission to become a test subject for the drug named ‘Remdesivir.’

The drug had previously only been tested on monkeys in the US , infected with MERS - a variation of coronavirus.

Speaking to ScienceInsider, George Thompson, an infectious disease specialist who treated the woman said she is now “doing well”, despite fears the virus was about to kill her.

Just 36 hours after diagnosis and after her condition took a serious turn, the patient was given the drug intravenously.


“We thought she was going to pass away,” Thompson said of the patient.

“The day after the infusion of the drug, she consistently got better.”

Despite the success, more tests will be needed as the scientists were unable to test her blood for something called “polymerase chain reaction” (PCR).

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/experimental-coronavirus-drug-brings-woman-back-from-brink-of-death-c-745656

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: midcan5 on March 16, 2020, 03:54:46 AM
This is and excellent analysis of covid-19. Check it out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqw-9yMV0sI
Title: Please Don't Panic - Good Read
Post by: Josey on March 16, 2020, 05:17:15 AM
Borrowed and these numbers are easily verifiable.
I have flipped out a few libs with this so far.



PLEASE DON'T PANIC ABOUT CORONA VIRUS. IT HAS BEEN CIRCULATING IN THE US SINCE NOVEMBER ... with no statistically noticeable effects on the country. For 2 months before the Trump travel ban, while the Chinese hid it, 1 million Chinese flew directly to the United States from China in December and February at a rate of 15,000-22,000 a day, including from infected areas. That doesn't even count those who flew in November. And ... no overwhelmed hospital system. No overall spike in death rates. Our virologists didn't even notice it. In fact, no one noticed any difference until the Chinese told worldwide media about it (or cued them to freak out about it.) So it has been with us since at least mid-November.
Meaning there's a huge central flaw in the media narrative because it essentially, at least psychologically, dates the beginning of Corona virus to the Chinese announcement in January and assumes an outward deadly spread from there. It's coming here OMG what do we do how many deaths will we see???
No, Corona virus has already been here and yes, our docs and scientists would have noticed a spike in deaths due to a mystery illness if it were going to be an unusually large mass fatality event. They didn't because there wasn't a statistically significant spike in deaths or routine illness this fall. Many of you have asked, well why is Italy so overrun? Italy is a 1st world country with a 3rd world health system. And it has tested more widely than we have. But let's look at the numbers. About 1,450 people there have died of Corona. They have a population of 60m. So that would translate to about 7,900 deaths in a country our size over the same period ... less than the flu has killed here in the US in the last 3 weeks ... and no where near the 500,000 to 1.5 million US deaths in the US the media was hysterically projecting this week. That's why Corona virus has escaped notice. Corona on top of the flu just looks like a more severe flu season than the year before, not a notable, widespread death event.
Now let's look at South Korea, a better health system and a better comparison. They are a country of 51 million people. They've had just 75 deaths and daily recoveries now exceed deaths, so they are at the tail end of Corona, as the US likely is. That death per population rate would produce 487 deaths here over the same period, given US population levels. Now do you see why no one noticed Corona was spreading here until the Chinese told us?
That said, if you are in a high-risk category, you should take the same precautions you would because we are in flu season. Both can kill. But otherwise, go about your life as you would. Yesterday, we went shopping, to church and to lunch. If you are healthy, you can feel comfortable doing the same.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: supsalemgr on March 16, 2020, 05:28:56 AM
Just a thought. Notice how we have not heard a peep from Russia about impact of the virus there. I would not be surprised if it is really bad there.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 06:41:19 AM
Just a thought. Notice how we have not heard a peep from Russia about impact of the virus there. I would not be surprised if it is really bad there.
They locked down their borders immediately, so as to avoid this.
Did it work? I have no idea. :biggrin:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on March 16, 2020, 06:49:34 AM
They locked down their borders immediately, so as to avoid this.
Did it work? I have no idea. :biggrin:

Could be wrong, my understanding they locked down Friday Night.  But then they do control all the news.  Time will tell as they can not keep it under raps for ever.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 07:00:57 AM
Could be wrong, my understanding they locked down Friday Night.  But then they do control all the news.  Time will tell as they can not keep it under raps for ever.
Putin has been closing it off to several countries for awhile, Iran almost two weeks ago, but finally sealed it just recently.
Russia had some cases but claimed they were all cured. I'm guessing he's not releasing the truth to avoid panic buying like the morons did here.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on March 16, 2020, 07:17:13 AM
Putin has been closing it off to several countries for awhile, Iran almost two weeks ago, but finally sealed it just recently.
Russia had some cases but claimed they were all cured. I'm guessing he's not releasing the truth to avoid panic buying like the morons did here.

My understanding they don't have that much for panic buying.  Unless it is the Black-market.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 08:12:15 AM
My understanding they don't have that much for panic buying.  Unless it is the Black-market.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Probably because they're used to it.

(https://geardiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Russian-Bread-Line-2.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on March 16, 2020, 09:02:14 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Probably because they're used to it.

(https://geardiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Russian-Bread-Line-2.jpg)

Yep!!!

I do think someone need to clean up after that horse.  :ohmy:
Title: Trump just lost me
Post by: ldub23 on March 16, 2020, 12:38:33 PM
No group more than 10 people?? Good  God, he  is the  chief  panickmonger. Then he  goes  on to say well maybe by july  or  august  we can get  back to normal. Does the  stupid fool understand  how  many businesses are going to go under? restaurants and  bars  closed for  months? Unemployment  is  going to skyrocket. He  inspired nothing  but  fear today. He  just  sunk the economy. Malls will close, just about  everything  will close. And no, you are doing  a  horrible  job.
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: ldub23 on March 16, 2020, 12:40:08 PM
Groups  of  no more than 10 F'ing  people??? No one  has  any idea  how  mad  i am at this fool.
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: supsalemgr on March 16, 2020, 12:44:38 PM
My view is he has assembled a very able group of folks for the Task Force. They have been very forthcoming and building much credibility. He might be better served letting Pence and the Task Force handle questions. The media will just pick apart every word he utters.
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: ldub23 on March 16, 2020, 12:48:39 PM
But  he said  it and while  i just  saw Fauchi tried to say it was  just  for  15 days the  headline was till July  or  August. His somber tone  is  idiotic. As  i posted before why in the damn hell isnt  he  bring  recovered people to his  fearmongering  conferences?
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: ldub23 on March 16, 2020, 12:55:10 PM
I can not  even believe what  he said. You know he signed  his  political death warrant by how respectful the  media  is today. No small business person will vote for  him again. Market  is cratering after his  disastrous stupid statement.
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 12:58:13 PM
I can not  even believe what  he said. You know he signed  his  political death warrant by how respectful the  media  is today. No small business person will vote for  him again. Market  is cratering after his  disastrous stupid statement.
So we're supposed to read your mind as to what he said that got your panties in a knot?
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: ldub23 on March 16, 2020, 01:01:41 PM
You know what  he said. No group of  more than 10 people and basically all you small business people can go to damn hell as well as your employees. July or  August? Any idiot  knows  it going to begin ending now.
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: ldub23 on March 16, 2020, 01:03:07 PM
Market down 3000 points because  of  him. Somebody  better tell the fool to say its 15DAMN DAYS but  is  just  droning  on and  on and  on. And why in the hell is  he putting all the  hardship on people  who can least afford  it?
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 01:11:27 PM
You know what  he said. No group of  more than 10 people and basically all you small business people can go to damn hell as well as your employees. July or  August? Any idiot  knows  it going to begin ending now.
No, I have no idea what you're talking about and I highly doubt you do either!
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: ldub23 on March 16, 2020, 01:26:46 PM
No, I have no idea what you're talking about and I highly doubt you do either!

He also just contradicted the  OK GOV and Devin Nunes when they were encouraging  people to go to restaurants so the  small businessman wouldnt  get  hurt. I guess the  only  good  thing  is 6 more days  of this and there wont  be a stock market.
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 02:01:06 PM
He also just contradicted the  OK GOV and Devin Nunes when they were encouraging  people to go to restaurants so the  small businessman wouldnt  get  hurt. I guess the  only  good  thing  is 6 more days  of this and there wont  be a stock market.
Gee, and just a couple of weeks ago you said this was nothing it was just a flu.

If this  is  called a  pandemic, then flu should  be a 24/7 never ending  pandemic. I am 100% certain  in a few  months i will pull this thread  back up and say i was  100% right. One other thing, like the regular  flu the  people who are by  far the  most  at risk are  those  over  65.
So what happened genius? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: Killer Clouds on March 16, 2020, 02:13:05 PM
Idub23 sounds like a typical snowflake screaming at the sky. You can't lose something you've never had. He's been against Trump before this. 
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 02:21:31 PM
Idub23 sounds like a typical snowflake screaming at the sky. You can't lose something you've never had. He's been against Trump before this.
Yep, he's always been a lib troll. Funny, he thought he had it concealed all these years. :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: mrclose on March 16, 2020, 02:59:27 PM
Army signs agreement with drug giant Gilead on experimental COVID-19 treatment
(The drug that cured the patient!)

Quote
U.S. Army Medical Research and Development Command has signed an arrangement with Gilead Sciences to provide the company’s investigational coronavirus drug to U.S. troops confirmed to have the COVID-19 virus.

Gilead’s medication, remdesivir, was approved for clinical research in February by the Food and Drug Administration. The medication, which initially was developed by the Foster City, California-based company to treat Ebola, has had some demonstrated success targeting coronaviruses, including Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS, and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, SARS.

The medicine, given intravenously, is currently being tested for safety and effectiveness in two separate clinical trials in China and one by the National Institute of Allergy and Infection Diseases. In the U.S. study, the first volunteer was an evacuee from the Diamond Princess cruise ship hospitalized with the illness at the University of Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/03/10/army-signs-agreement-with-drug-giant-gilead-on-experimental-covid-19-treatment/

Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: Mimsy on March 16, 2020, 03:00:24 PM
The fact is China knew about the Wuhan virus since November and did nothing until it was too late. America's response has been appropriate even if Trump "misspeaks. Our experts are dealing with this along side the rest of the worlds experts. Trump's call to caution should not be spun for ratings.
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 03:06:43 PM
The fact is China knew about the Wuhan virus since November and did nothing until it was too late. America's response has been appropriate even if Trump "misspeaks. Our experts are dealing with this along side the rest of the worlds experts. Trump's call to caution should not be spun for ratings.
Actually it broke out in Wuhan in December 2019, but otherwise I agree.
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 03:08:50 PM
Hey Walks, move this shit to the Covid thread. Apparently Ldub is too stupid to remember why he was put in timeout the first time when he started derailing threads.
Now he starts them where he knows they don't belong.
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: Sauce on March 16, 2020, 03:25:42 PM
Market down 3000 points because  of  him. Somebody  better tell the fool to say its 15DAMN DAYS but  is  just  droning  on and  on and  on. And why in the hell is  he putting all the  hardship on people  who can least afford  it?


Even the Libtard press isn't reporting it the way you perceived it.  Take a step back from the ledge....


.....before one of pushes you off
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: Mimsy on March 16, 2020, 04:10:18 PM
Actually it broke out in Wuhan in December 2019, but otherwise I agree.

Thanks for the correction. :smile:
Title: Re: Trump just lost me
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 05:05:59 PM
Thanks for the correction. :smile:
No prob, just keeping the record straight. :smile:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 16, 2020, 05:17:43 PM
After all of this is said and done, I don't think any country will look at open borders the same way again.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 16, 2020, 05:22:52 PM
US #CoronaVirusDeathRate by date:

4.06% March 8 (22 deaths of 541 cases)

3.69% March 9 (26 of 704)

3.01% March 10 (30 of 994)

2.95% March 11 (38 of 1,295)

2.52% March 12 (42 of 1,695)

2.27% March 13 (49 of 2,247)

1.93% March 14 (57 of 2,954)

1.84% March 15 (68 of 3,680)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 16, 2020, 06:31:38 PM
US #CoronaVirusDeathRate by date:

4.06% March 8 (22 deaths of 541 cases)

3.69% March 9 (26 of 704)

3.01% March 10 (30 of 994)

2.95% March 11 (38 of 1,295)

2.52% March 12 (42 of 1,695)

2.27% March 13 (49 of 2,247)

1.93% March 14 (57 of 2,954)

1.84% March 15 (68 of 3,680)


I think your chances of getting hit by lightening are much higher.....68 deaths out of a 300 million population.....Hell if studs terkel were still alive he'd never back that bet.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 07:07:41 PM
After all of this is said and done, I don't think any country will look at open borders the same way again.
Yep, kinda throws a wet blanket of libs and their hatred for the Wall, doesn't it? :biggrin:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 07:09:30 PM
US #CoronaVirusDeathRate by date:

4.06% March 8 (22 deaths of 541 cases)

3.69% March 9 (26 of 704)

3.01% March 10 (30 of 994)

2.95% March 11 (38 of 1,295)

2.52% March 12 (42 of 1,695)

2.27% March 13 (49 of 2,247)

1.93% March 14 (57 of 2,954)

1.84% March 15 (68 of 3,680)
So are you avoiding Reply #271, where you claimed this was no worse than the flu, but now that you think you have a cudgel to use against Trump, you suddenly shift gears and become a hypocrite? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 16, 2020, 07:27:13 PM
If this  is  called a  pandemic, then flu should  be a 24/7 never ending  pandemic. I am 100% certain  in a few  months i will pull this thread  back up and say i was  100% right. One other thing, like the regular  flu the  people who are by  far the  most  at risk are  those  over  65.
First it was just a flu... Now it's Trump's fault, the end is nigh...:


           (https://i.imgflip.com/1kbhcs.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Rotwang on March 17, 2020, 03:01:18 AM
First it was just a flu... Now it's Trump's fault, the end is nigh...:


           (https://i.imgflip.com/1kbhcs.jpg)

The flush lever on my Toilet is acting up.

&^#@(*&  TRUMP is responsible !
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 17, 2020, 05:51:31 AM
So are you avoiding Reply #271, where you claimed this was no worse than the flu, but now that you think you have a cudgel to use against Trump, you suddenly shift gears and become a hypocrite? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

No it  isnt any worse than the  flu. My problem with Trump is  his  dumbassery corona  updates. He  came  on yesterday  and said the  idiotic  10 person thing, then recommended people  punish bars and restaurants all for  nothing  in my opinion. And yea, i heard Fauchi try  to correct  him when he  ran up and grabbed the  mike  and said  it  was  just  for  15 days after a reporter  asked  trump how  long  it  would  last  and  he  said  maybe till july  or  august. Trump also made a  mess  of things  by  saying  he  may have to force a  national lockdown, curfew and  quarantiine. The  market tanked.

What Trump should  be  doing  in his  conferences  is start  by listing  point  by point  all the good  news. He  should  also have said that  no way  in hell is  he  going to lock the  country  down. He  needs to be an optimistic  leader, not  a  fearmonger.
I bet  Rush's  head exploded  when he  heard  it. You could  tell he was exasperated with Trump on Friday. Finally, he  needs to bring people  who have recovered to every  update and  let them talk.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 17, 2020, 09:47:58 AM
No it  isnt any worse than the  flu. My problem with Trump is  his  dumbassery corona  updates. He  came  on yesterday  and said the  idiotic  10 person thing, then recommended people  punish bars and restaurants all for  nothing  in my opinion. And yea, i heard Fauchi try  to correct  him when he  ran up and grabbed the  mike  and said  it  was  just  for  15 days after a reporter  asked  trump how  long  it  would  last  and  he  said  maybe till july  or  august. Trump also made a  mess  of things  by  saying  he  may have to force a  national lockdown, curfew and  quarantiine. The  market tanked.

What Trump should  be  doing  in his  conferences  is start  by listing  point  by point  all the good  news. He  should  also have said that  no way  in hell is  he  going to lock the  country  down. He  needs to be an optimistic  leader, not  a  fearmonger.
I bet  Rush's  head exploded  when he  heard  it. You could  tell he was exasperated with Trump on Friday. Finally, he  needs to bring people  who have recovered to every  update and  let them talk.
Man, you are such a gullible foo! This is why I said you need to turn off the damn TV! And don't lie, CNN is one of the LSM networks spreading unfounded rumors
Here's the truth!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-administration-shoots-down-rumors-of-nationwide-quarantine
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on March 17, 2020, 10:23:27 AM
(https://scontent.fden3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89958768_1309825309405428_8656337032664055808_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=2d5d41&_nc_ohc=Y6nOG1G-1R4AX9SCrHq&_nc_ht=scontent.fden3-1.fna&oh=2f39df7774d73269a0518ee8570095d9&oe=5E98386F)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 17, 2020, 10:38:10 AM
No it  isnt any worse than the  flu. My problem with Trump is  his  dumbassery corona  updates. He  came  on yesterday  and said the  idiotic  10 person thing, then recommended people  punish bars and restaurants all for  nothing  in my opinion. And yea, i heard Fauchi try  to correct  him when he  ran up and grabbed the  mike  and said  it  was  just  for  15 days after a reporter  asked  trump how  long  it  would  last  and  he  said  maybe till july  or  august. Trump also made a  mess  of things  by  saying  he  may have to force a  national lockdown, curfew and  quarantiine. The  market tanked.

What Trump should  be  doing  in his  conferences  is start  by listing  point  by point  all the good  news. He  should  also have said that  no way  in hell is  he  going to lock the  country  down. He  needs to be an optimistic  leader, not  a  fearmonger.
I bet  Rush's  head exploded  when he  heard  it. You could  tell he was exasperated with Trump on Friday. Finally, he  needs to bring people  who have recovered to every  update and  let them talk.
City governments across this nation are closing schools, businesses, gatherings, state governments are closing events, limiting the number of citizens who can gather in one place, the lsm is constantly showing empty grocery shelves as if they will never be full again, every station has updates on the newest policies that are being implemented by local governments, and you blame Trump?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 17, 2020, 11:39:36 AM
Quote
Pattrik Perez
@PattrikPerez
·
Mar 15
There are now a total of 6 #coronavirus cases in Austin-Travis Co. Not believed to be community spread.

Beginning tomorrow, all city libraries, pools, golf courses, athletic programs, recreation centers, & cultural centers will close. @austinanimals
 will close to public. @KVUE

I could expect closings if austin was looking at 50,000+ cases, they are looking at 6. And those were brought in. And today austin closed restaurants and bars.  Starting to look like cities are looking to bring down as much of the economy as they can. But some people blame Trump.  ???
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 17, 2020, 11:57:07 AM
I could expect closings if austin was looking at 50,000+ cases, they are looking at 6. And those were brought in. And today austin closed restaurants and bars.  Starting to look like cities are looking to bring down as much of the economy as they can. But some people blame Trump.  ???
Excellent point!!! And another reason we don't need to be giving our tax dollars to the socialist shit holes.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 17, 2020, 12:09:48 PM
Excellent point!!! And another reason we don't need to be giving our tax dollars to the socialist shit holes.

Trump the fearmonger  is the  one  who keeps talking  about  a  national lockdown. he  did it again today saying  he  hasnt decided  yet. Another morbid corona  update.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 17, 2020, 12:21:35 PM
I should  be doing the  updates and you would see hundreds of  recovered  people
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 17, 2020, 12:29:28 PM
I should  be doing the  updates and you would see hundreds of  recovered  people
So why are so many cities banning events and closing businesses?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: supsalemgr on March 17, 2020, 12:41:13 PM
Trump the fearmonger  is the  one  who keeps talking  about  a  national lockdown. he  did it again today saying  he  hasnt decided  yet. Another morbid corona  update.

Damn man! He was responding to a question. Any thinking person would agree this is a fluid situation. He can't answer the question yet.

Please get to the pharmacy before it closes. Your TDS is getting out of control.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: supsalemgr on March 17, 2020, 12:43:09 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-european-union-leaders-agree-to-close-borders.html

This a living example of being late to the party. They should have started this years ago when the Muslim invasion began.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 17, 2020, 01:06:35 PM
Damn man! He was responding to a question. Any thinking person would agree this is a fluid situation. He can't answer the question yet.

Please get to the pharmacy before it closes. Your TDS is getting out of control.

Trump is the  one  person who has a  national voice. All he  needs to do shut  down the lockdown talk, bring  in recovered people to updates, and list  point  by point all the good  news.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 17, 2020, 01:08:10 PM
Oh yea, from what  i heard  on Hannity Gov Cuomo actually  did shutdown deblasio's  NYC shutdown nonsense.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 17, 2020, 05:42:50 PM
If you want some unbiased facts  on corona this  guy  is doing a great  job.

https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 18, 2020, 05:17:46 AM
Lets see how morbid Trump is today. National guard being called out. guess they shoot the virus. Mnuchin talking about 20% unemployment, businesses being destroyed. All for a mild cold. Futures trading halted again.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2020, 05:28:08 AM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 18, 2020, 05:31:01 AM
Trump better get on the air and tell governors to open up businesses
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 18, 2020, 05:34:48 AM
Lets see how morbid Trump is today. National guard being called out. guess they shoot the virus. Mnuchin talking about 20% unemployment, businesses being destroyed. All for a mild cold. Futures trading halted again.
State and city governments are closing most of the businesses. Austin just closed restaurants without one case of the virus caused by common environment. It is the city mayor who is acting like austin has over 100,000 cases instead of just ten. He did not warn that if cases were caused by common environment they would be closed, he just closed them. People out of work. And you blame Trump.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2020, 05:38:21 AM
Lets see how morbid Trump is today. National guard being called out. guess they shoot the virus. Mnuchin talking about 20% unemployment, businesses being destroyed. All for a mild cold. Futures trading halted again.
Just a flu eh?
Well good for you then, you better hope you don't get it then, because even if you recover, you may wind up with severe organ damage, shortening your life and quality of life till you die, assuming it didn't kill you in the first place.
There are two strains, are you willing to risk your life thinking it won't target you?
This is just a random pick of the thousands of articles out there, but the WHO has more in depth info.

Dr. Yoko Furuya, an infectious disease specialist at Columbia University Irving Medical Center.

“Because our body senses all of those viruses as basically foreign invaders, that triggers our immune system to sweep in and try to contain and control the virus and stop it from making more and more copies of itself,” she says.

But Furuya says that this immune system response to this invader can also destroy lung tissue and cause inflammation. The end result can be pneumonia. That means the air sacs in the lungs become inflamed and filled with fluid, making it harder to breathe.

Del Rio says that these symptoms can also make it harder for the lungs to get oxygen to your blood, potentially triggering a cascade of problems. “The lack of oxygen leads to more inflammation, more problems in the body. Organs need oxygen to function, right? So when you don’t have oxygen there, then your liver dies and your kidney dies,” he says.

https://traptown.com/health-2/how-patients-die-after-contracting-covid-19-the-new-coronavirus-disease-goats-and-soda/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 18, 2020, 05:38:28 AM
Trump is the  one who said  no more than 10 person gatherings and  Trump said  on air basically  he wants the  restaurant  industry  destroyed. All for  a  virus thats  harmless to almost everyone.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 18, 2020, 05:45:24 AM
Trump is the  one who said  no more than 10 person gatherings and  Trump said  on air basically  he wants the  restaurant  industry  destroyed. All for  a  virus thats  harmless to almost everyone.
That has to be one of the stupidest statements ever on this forum.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 18, 2020, 05:49:30 AM
Here is the  biggest piece  of nonsense. Maria  Bartriromo asking  if  getting the  virus  makes you  immune to future attacks. Its a  virus, of  course  it  does, idiot. If  it were the  case that getting  doesnt  give you  immunity then working  on a vaccine  is  totally  pointless.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 18, 2020, 05:51:05 AM
Just a flu eh?
Well good for you then, you better hope you don't get it then, because even if you recover, you may wind up with severe organ damage, shortening your life and quality of life till you die, assuming it didn't kill you in the first place.
There are two strains, are you willing to risk your life thinking it won't target you?
This is just a random pick of the thousands of articles out there, but the WHO has more in depth info.

Dr. Yoko Furuya, an infectious disease specialist at Columbia University Irving Medical Center.

“Because our body senses all of those viruses as basically foreign invaders, that triggers our immune system to sweep in and try to contain and control the virus and stop it from making more and more copies of itself,” she says.

But Furuya says that this immune system response to this invader can also destroy lung tissue and cause inflammation. The end result can be pneumonia. That means the air sacs in the lungs become inflamed and filled with fluid, making it harder to breathe.

Del Rio says that these symptoms can also make it harder for the lungs to get oxygen to your blood, potentially triggering a cascade of problems. “The lack of oxygen leads to more inflammation, more problems in the body. Organs need oxygen to function, right? So when you don’t have oxygen there, then your liver dies and your kidney dies,” he says.

https://traptown.com/health-2/how-patients-die-after-contracting-covid-19-the-new-coronavirus-disease-goats-and-soda/

There seem to be quite a few people recovered with nothing  like that, in fact  just about  everyone
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 18, 2020, 05:51:49 AM
Trump will back on the air at  11am with more doom and  gloom.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2020, 05:56:50 AM
There seem to be quite a few people recovered with nothing  like that, in fact  just about  everyone
There's two strains gumby. Will you be lucky enough to catch the mild version?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 18, 2020, 09:19:09 AM
Im not  going to catch it. Another  press  conference and not a  bit  of  good  news and  not  1 recovered person on stage. The  doctor  is spreading  more doom and gloom. Who are the  idiots advising Trump on this?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2020, 09:39:38 AM
Im not  going to catch it. Another  press  conference and not a  bit  of  good  news and  not  1 recovered person on stage. The  doctor  is spreading  more doom and gloom. Who are the  idiots advising Trump on this?
ORRRR? Maybe he is telling the truth and you're so full blind hate, you refuse to accept it?
But hey, if you want to live in happy bliss thinking you're somehow immune, go for it, don't heed the warnings, but keep in mind, you could wind up a carrier and expose others.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2020, 02:56:35 PM
Well now this is weird. :lol:
I was looking for something entirely different, when I stumbled across this little tidbit.


(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/03/FactCheckSylviaBrowneEndOfDays.png?resize=1200,630&quality=65)

Of course Snopes claimed it was a mix of true and claimed it to be a lucky guess, but seems a bit too exact to discount as an accident. :lol:

I've been saying the same thing, that this will end as quick as it started and the economy will come roaring back after the worst global recession in history.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sylvia-browne-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on March 18, 2020, 04:05:28 PM
From Stanford University Hospital.  Toy

The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs.

1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold.
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!
THE SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 day
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Hoofer on March 18, 2020, 04:31:57 PM
How about we call it the Soros Virus? He owns it!
https://breakingnewshouse.c...

Scroll down the list to "WuXi PharmaTech Inc."

look it up on Wikipedia:


"WuXi opened a large-scale manufacturing facility in Jinshan in 2010. The company began a biologics discovery, development, and manufacturing operation in Shanghai and Wuxi City in 2011. At the same year, WuXi acquired MedKey, a China-based clinical research company, and Abgent, a San Diego company and one of the world's largest manufacturers of antibodies for biological research and drug discovery. In 2012, WuXi opened a chemistry facility in Wuhan and a GMP biologics drug-substance facility in Wuxi City. That year WuXi also entered into a joint venture with MedImmune and Kevin Tucker, the biologics arm of AstraZeneca, to co-develop MEDI5117, an anti-IL6 antibody for rheumatoid arthritis for the Chinese market. In 2013, WuXi formed a joint venture with the global clinical contract research organization PRA International (now called PRA Health Sciences) to build a clinical research business in China.[citation needed]"

(highlights added for emphasis) 

The Globalists have called for a dramatic reduction in population.... meh... who knows.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on March 18, 2020, 04:47:01 PM
Nice seeing you again young man.   :thumbup:
Title: Two Dims Contract COVID
Post by: Solar on March 18, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
How many more Dims have it and we're just not hearing about it?

Democratic Congressman Ben McAdams Tests Positive For Coronavirus

McAdams is the second member of Congress to test positive for the coronavirus. Florida Republican Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart revealed Wednesday that he had tested positive for the virus, becoming the first U.S. lawmaker to contract the virus, Politico reported. Diaz-Balart said he began to develop symptoms Saturday hours after leaving the House floor where 400 other members of Congress had also convened for a vote on a coronavirus response bill.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/18/ben-mcadams-congress-positive-coronavirus/

Walks, feel free to move this tomorrow.
Thanks.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: milos on March 19, 2020, 04:05:06 AM
From what I've heard, this Coronavirus has been invented for the purpose of ending globalization processes around the World. United States, United Kingdom, and Russia, have agreed on this, and Brexit for example was also part of this process. This process should trigger some economic and political changes and recomposition of the World, bring local industries back, and dismantle some globalist political structures. Countries and borders are closed, and people is forced to remain in their local communities. Everyone should care a bit more about their individual health and try not to catch the virus, remain calm, sit and watch what will happen. I belive President Trump knows what he is doing, and that he should be trusted.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 19, 2020, 05:33:23 AM
Death rate going  down, and  its not a  big  death rate anyway, as testing  goes  up. expect  it  sink below 1%

Yossi Gestetner
@YossiGestetner
·
5h
US #CoronaVirusDeathRate

4.06% March 8 (22 deaths of 541 cases)

3.69% M9   26/704

3.01% M10  30/994

2.95% M11  38/1,295

2.52% M12  42/1,695

2.27% M13  49/2,247

1.93% M14  57/2,954

1.84% M15  68/3,680

1.82% M16  85/4661

1.70% M17  109/6,411

1.62% March 18   150/9,259
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 19, 2020, 05:36:12 AM
Compare that to a worldwideSars death rate  of  9.6% where  nothing  shut  down.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 19, 2020, 05:40:52 AM
Why Trump doesnt  show  this  chart at  every  update  i have  no idea. Germany  has a  0.22 death rate.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 19, 2020, 06:01:54 AM
Why Trump doesnt  show  this  chart at  every  update i have  no idea. Germany  has a  0.22 death rate.
:thumbup:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: midcan5 on March 19, 2020, 07:11:02 AM
If you throw enough baloney around you may be close to a target on occasion.

https://skepticalinquirer.org/2020/03/the-psychic-defective-revisited-years-later-sylvia-brownes-accuracy-remains/

But this is a tough topic, pandemics, and this OP is tough.

"It is not surprising that for the virus one speaks of war. The emergency measures obligate us in fact to life in conditions of curfew. But a war with an invisible enemy that can lurk in every other person is the most absurd of wars. It is, in reality, a civil war. The enemy is not outside, it is within us."

https://itself.blog/2020/03/17/giorgio-agamben-clarifications/

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 19, 2020, 07:24:54 AM
Death rate going  down, and  its not a  big  death rate anyway, as testing  goes  up. expect  it  sink below 1%

Yossi Gestetner
@YossiGestetner
·
5h
US #CoronaVirusDeathRate

4.06% March 8 (22 deaths of 541 cases)

3.69% M9   26/704

3.01% M10  30/994

2.95% M11  38/1,295

2.52% M12  42/1,695

2.27% M13  49/2,247

1.93% M14  57/2,954

1.84% M15  68/3,680

1.82% M16  85/4661

1.70% M17  109/6,411

1.62% March 18   150/9,259
You're such a troll! You post shit without context, no link then claim so imaginary victory, all the while never considering how this effects our health care system which is being stressed to the max.
You better hope you don't need to visit the emergency room, because the wait times will more than likely be detrimental in the long term.

Note how Italy is twice that amount on any given day, know why? Because of socialized medicine! That's why we won't suffer as badly as the rest of the world, we have a competitive system, unlike the rest of the world, where they have only the basic minimum of care.
A socialized system only provides the basic minimum, calculated of a normal month/year/decade, but throw in a pandemic and people die!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 19, 2020, 07:32:12 AM
You're such a troll! You post shit without context, no link then claim so imaginary victory, all the while never considering how this effects our health care system which is being stressed to the max.
You better hope you don't need to visit the emergency room, because the wait times will more than likely be detrimental in the long term.

Note how Italy is twice that amount on any given day, know why? Because of socialized medicine! That's why we won't suffer as badly as the rest of the world, we have a competitive system, unlike the rest of the world, where they have only the basic minimum of care.
A socialized system only provides the basic minimum, calculated of a normal month/year/decade, but throw in a pandemic and people die!

I would say the reason is  Italys population is  10 years  older than ours. The  median age  of  infection there  is  63 and  the  median death age  is  80 when alot  of  people  croak anyway. Its time  to loosen restrictions  on restaurants and younger  people and  limit the  stupid  social distancing to the elderly  and  infirm.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 19, 2020, 07:33:28 AM
Oh, and  of  course Italy  kept  flights  coming  in from China.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 19, 2020, 07:34:52 AM
I would say the reason is  Italys population is  10 years  older than ours. The  median age  of  infection there  is  63 and  the  median death age  is  80 when alot  of  people  croak anyway. Its time  to loosen restrictions  on restaurants and younger  people and  limit the  stupid  social distancing to the elderly  and  infirm.
Yes, we all read that excuse as well, the US has Baby Boomers in the same boat. Fact is, Italy's HC system was not designed for more than the basic minimum, as most European HC is second par to ours.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 19, 2020, 07:41:06 AM
Yes, we all read that excuse as well, the US has Baby Boomers in the same boat. Fact is, Italy's HC system was not designed for more than the basic minimum, as most European HC is second par to ours.

Im not arguing we are  better than the EU, of course we are. I AM saying  its time to limit  social distancing to the elderly and  infirm.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 19, 2020, 08:21:50 AM
I  know everyone  is  concerned about  Tom Hanks, luckily  even though he  is elderly  and  has diabetes the  hideous deadly  corona  virus gave  him the  "blahs". Even more reason to shut  down a whole economy.

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/tom-hanks-feeling-better-vegemite-090644432.html?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 19, 2020, 08:33:48 AM
More  good  news!!! HOORAH!!! The  forest grove  couple  so many were concerned about  have  made  it  home and they also survived to hideous deadly  wuhan virus
though i dont  know  if they have the  blahs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/couple-stuck-in-japan-for-weeks-after-cruise-ship-quarantine-now-back-home-in-forest-grove/ar-BB114rtV
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 19, 2020, 09:24:37 AM
More  good  news!!! HOORAH!!! The  forest grove  couple  so many were concerned about  have  made  it  home and they also survived to hideous deadly  wuhan virus
though i dont  know  if they have the  blahs

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/couple-stuck-in-japan-for-weeks-after-cruise-ship-quarantine-now-back-home-in-forest-grove/ar-BB114rtV
Your callousness is noted.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 19, 2020, 01:13:44 PM
my  quick calculation on the  numbers  hannity  just  had of  157 deaths and  11500 cases it  drops the  death rate  to about  1.36%
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 19, 2020, 01:19:42 PM
Your callousness is noted.

Callousness as opposed to fearmongering? I think it was some  on here who had  all kinds  of  fearmongering  over the  couple. like  just  about  everyone  they are fine.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 19, 2020, 01:24:30 PM
My  quick calculation of  1.36% of  course doesnt  include the  multitudes
who had no symptons at all or  the  sniffles and  never knew they had  it
so i think i can be  very  confident the  death rate  is well under 1%.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 19, 2020, 01:56:41 PM
Callousness as opposed to fearmongering? I think it was some  on here who had  all kinds  of  fearmongering  over the  couple. like  just  about  everyone  they are fine.
Wrong!!! I posted about her being kept in isolation even though she showed no signs of the virus.
If you're going to talk shit, at least have a basis for truth!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 19, 2020, 01:58:33 PM
Culling the elderly!!!   Covid 19 “Quite Useful” In Culling Older People From National Health Service

Ya know all that talk about death panels and health care rationing and whatnot? Well here we have a Scottish official talking how the coronavirus will be “quite useful” in taking bed blockers out of the system. Or in other words, she’s talking about how great it will be to get rid of older people who are taking up beds in hospitals.



https://bluntforcetruth.com/news/here-we-go-scottish-official-says-covid-19-quite-useful-in-culling-older-people-from-national-health-service/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 19, 2020, 05:22:54 PM
This is somewhat  surprising. Ilhan omar praises Trump

https://ijr.com/omar-offers-praise-trump-coronavirus/?utm_campaign=IJR%20-%20Facebook%20Content&utm_content=122322405&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-406726216017535
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Hoofer on March 19, 2020, 05:25:31 PM
Speaking of Italy (wish I had sources to link to... sorry!):   I heard there is a leather factory that China bought, and staffed it with thousands of slave-labor types, some of them brought it over from China.   Second "rumor" was China was accusing them of Racism, and some nutty Chinese guy was walking around with a sign, 'I am a person, not a virus, free hugs.' - he was also infected.

I don't have the free time hang around and really engage in a lengthy discussion - sorry!  my 2 cents worth.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 19, 2020, 06:01:25 PM
Speaking of Italy (wish I had sources to link to... sorry!):   I heard there is a leather factory that China bought, and staffed it with thousands of slave-labor types, some of them brought it over from China.   Second "rumor" was China was accusing them of Racism, and some nutty Chinese guy was walking around with a sign, 'I am a person, not a virus, free hugs.' - he was also infected.

I don't have the free time hang around and really engage in a lengthy discussion - sorry!  my 2 cents worth.
It is the several of the clothing manufacturing using Chinese labor also. From what I remember, mostly the higher end lines.
Title: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 19, 2020, 07:15:41 PM
Good luck with that!!!

All 40 million residents in the state of California have been ordered to stay home to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

The state is one of the worst affected in the US after Washington and New York. There are now 910 coronavirus cases in California, including 19 deaths.

New York has at least 5,298 cases, while Washington has at least 1,376 confirmed cases.

California is the most populous US state and is the country's largest state economy.

Watch:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-19-20-intl-hnk

Walks, feel free to merge this tomorrow after noon.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Killer Clouds on March 19, 2020, 07:48:55 PM
I will be going to work tomorrow unless I get an official call tonight. Newsome can go fuck himself.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 19, 2020, 08:34:43 PM
I will be going to work tomorrow unless I get an official call tonight. Newsome can go fuck himself.
Yeah, it was a pretty hollow call on his part. According to what I've read, nothing changes. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 19, 2020, 08:41:44 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Los Angeles Mayor says he will ‘deputize’ city officials to ‘drive around’ & enforce the “stay at home” order, implying there will be arrests if citizens don’t comply

“People are getting guns. They’re going crazy...”

“We’ll pay ‘em a visit...”

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Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Killer Clouds on March 19, 2020, 09:01:25 PM
So what if people in Kalifornia are buying guns and ammo? They can't take possession for 10 days.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 20, 2020, 03:34:52 AM
Yeah right...... :rolleyes:

The Idiot in Virginia is "considering" the same measures.....I can't wait until they try
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: American Exceptionalism on March 20, 2020, 03:44:16 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Los Angeles Mayor says he will ‘deputize’ city officials to ‘drive around’ & enforce the “stay at home” order, implying there will be arrests if citizens don’t comply

“People are getting guns. They’re going crazy...”

“We’ll pay ‘em a visit...”

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Brilliant. After they are arrested, then what?  Put them together?
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 04:02:06 AM

Brilliant. After they are arrested, then what?  Put them together?
In groups less than 10.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 04:19:15 AM
My  quick calculation of  1.36% of  course doesnt  include the  multitudes
who had no symptons at all or  the  sniffles and  never knew they had  it
so i think i can be  very  confident the  death rate  is well under 1%.
You are blaming this on Trump, however as pointed out before, Cities are closing businesses, states are issuing restrictions, other countries are
closing borders and quarantines of entire cities. The nba, not Trump cancelled games. Point here is, does the rest of the world know something
you don't? or should the rest of the world look to you for how to handle this?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 05:12:33 AM
You are blaming this on Trump, however as pointed out before, Cities are closing businesses, states are issuing restrictions, other countries are
closing borders and quarantines of entire cities. The nba, not Trump cancelled games. Point here is, does the rest of the world know something
you don't? or should the rest of the world look to you for how to handle this?
Think of him as a blind, retarded pit bull with a severe case of constipation.

He latches onto something he's convinced himself is evil and refuses to let go. So if you happen to see a dog locked onto a tire of a 747 flying over head, you'll know the whole story.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 05:20:38 AM

Brilliant. After they are arrested, then what?  Put them together?
This is the epitome Dim, dumber than a box of rocks who thinks he's smarter than everyone else. What he's done is put a target on the backs of La police.
I know they aren't happy about this, and will more than likely turn a blind eye on the street.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: American Exceptionalism on March 20, 2020, 05:24:48 AM
This is the epitome Dim, dumber than a box of rocks who thinks he's smarter than everyone else. What he's done is put a target on the backs of La police.
I know they aren't happy about this, and will more than likely turn a blind eye on the street.

Governor Numbnuts Murphy put a curfew here. No drving after 8PM The Association of Police Chiefs said they won't enforce it.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 05:35:00 AM
Yeah right...... :rolleyes:

The Idiot in Virginia is "considering" the same measures.....I can't wait until they try

They will do it
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 05:47:28 AM
Governor Numbnuts Murphy put a curfew here. No drving after 8PM The Association of Police Chiefs said they won't enforce it.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Can you imagine turning your police force into a bunch of Nazi storm troopers? Cops are people too, they have lives and families as well. The last thing they want to do is harass the innocent and make themselves a target.
Garcetti just signed his political death warrant.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 05:48:48 AM
They will do it
What makes you so certain, and do you seriously think the entire state is going to comply? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 05:53:11 AM
What makes you so certain, and do you seriously think the entire state is going to comply? :rolleyes:

Yea, the  cops  come at you with a gun and you will comply.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 05:58:43 AM
Death rate going  down, and  its not a  big  death rate anyway, as testing  goes  up. expect  it  sink below 1%

Yossi Gestetner
@YossiGestetner
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US #CoronaVirusDeathRate

4.06% March 8 (22 deaths of 541 cases)

3.69% M9   26/704

3.01% M10  30/994

2.95% M11  38/1,295

2.52% M12  42/1,695

2.27% M13  49/2,247

1.93% M14  57/2,954

1.84% M15  68/3,680

1.82% M16  85/4661

1.70% M17  109/6,411

1.62% March 18   150/9,259
based  on numbers today from fox 205/14250 the death rate is  down to 1.44%. Large  drop in 1 day.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 06:00:02 AM
Trump had better say today the restrictions need to be  lifted and get the  economy  moving.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 06:08:16 AM
Trump had better say today the restrictions need to be  lifted and get the  economy  moving.
You seem to know more than the rest of the world, congratulations. Where do you get your facts?
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 06:09:50 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Can you imagine turning your police force into a bunch of Nazi storm troopers? Cops are people too, they have lives and families as well. The last thing they want to do is harass the innocent and make themselves a target.
Garcetti just signed his political death warrant.
Where as I do not think this will turn California Republican, surly it will not be solid democrat???
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 06:10:44 AM
You seem to know more than the rest of the world, congratulations. Where do you get your facts?
He lifts his tin foil hat and the voices tell him.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 06:13:32 AM
Where as I do not think this will turn California Republican, surly it will not be solid democrat???
The Dim party is in serious trouble here and you can be certain trump will make it a campaign issue. Just the fact that Nuisance is Pelosi's nephew is going to be his lead weight, she is now toxic in the state.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 06:15:19 AM
Yea, the  cops  come at you with a gun and you will comply.
Really, for what? You do realize the Gubernor is blowing hot air, what he said has no teeth. I suggest you brush up on the topic before you look any dumber.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 08:19:55 AM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 08:23:12 AM
You seem to know more than the rest of the world, congratulations. Where do you get your facts?

There  is finally beginning to be  pushback on all the stupid  shutdowns. WSJ and  others  are  beginning to realize the  damage trump and  governors  are doing to people and the economy  is far  worse than the virus. Isolate the  elderly  and  infirm and get everyone else  back to work.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 08:28:56 AM
It would seem likely there will be  a  2nd  quarter contraction of  24%, staggering. millions  of  unemployed and thousands of  closed  for  good  businesses means  biden is an easy  winner. Trump needs to get  on TV and say the  10 person thing was draconian. Limit any  restrictions to elderly. I dont  care who is really to blame for this but  Trump is  going to be  blamed  by  people in line  for  hours at  unemployment. Every day he  keeps this lockdown going  is  killing  the economy for a  long time to come.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 08:40:39 AM
It would seem likely there will be  a  2nd  quarter contraction of  24%, staggering. millions  of  unemployed and thousands of  closed  for  good  businesses means  biden is an easy  winner. Trump needs to get  on TV and say the  10 person thing was draconian. Limit any  restrictions to elderly. I dont  care who is really to blame for this but  Trump is  going to be  blamed  by  people in line  for  hours at  unemployment. Every day he  keeps this lockdown going  is  killing  the economy for a  long time to come.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ROFL!!! That's rich, a lib who thinks he smarter than our entire scientific community, worldwide. What other great wisdom can you impart to us brainless masses? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 09:01:06 AM
Trump just totally  ignored the WSJ and  praised the  california  lockdown. No positivity, no nothing  except more free  money  for everyone.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 09:04:23 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

ROFL!!! That's rich, a lib who thinks he smarter than our entire scientific community, worldwide. What other great wisdom can you impart to us brainless masses? :rolleyes:

24% may be  low. Just heard to expect  2 million unemployment  claims  just next  week. Maybe the dumbest thing  he said was he and democrats are starting  to like each other. He hasnt  got  a  clue.  Not  one  positive thing  so far, just  how  much govt  is going to expand and how  much free money  he  can hand  out. This is just the tip of the  iceberg. Tax recepits are going  to collapse with a  24% economic  contraction. And here goes the  market  tanking  on a slew  of  negativity.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 09:19:16 AM
That  idiot  woman is  making  it  sound  like the  black plague. Dont these jackasses realize all this  panic crap is whats causing  more  people to run to hospitals. America  isnt tough and new yorkers arent tough if this  virus can do what the  japanese couldnt. Basically  an hour of doom and  gloom and continue to lockdown the  economy. Im sick to death about hearing  of  economic recovery measures  in congress. No wonder  so many democrats  like whats trump is doing. Total power  in Nov.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 09:26:50 AM
That  idiot  woman is  making  it  sound  like the  black plague. Dont these jackasses realize all this  panic crap is whats causing  more  people to run to hospitals. America  isnt tough and new yorkers arent tough if this  virus can do what the  japanese couldnt. Basically  an hour of doom and  gloom and continue to lockdown the  economy. Im sick to death about hearing  of  economic recovery measures  in congress. No wonder  so many democrats  like whats trump is doing. Total power  in Nov.
This is rich, you post "That  idiot  woman", as if we can all read minds and see the future like you. (Link Genius?) You fail to understand, we're nothing but mere mortals next to you.
So tell us Oh Wise One, what does the future hold? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 09:34:31 AM
This is rich, you post "That  idiot  woman", as if we can all read minds and see the future like you. (Link Genius?) You fail to understand, we're nothing but mere mortals next to you.
So tell us Oh Wise One, what does the future hold? :rolleyes:

At least a 24% contraction with a unemployment rate  of  10+%. Trump actually  stood  up there and was  proud  of  paying  people  not to work. Govt  cant  sustain checks to people  for  long. Proud of  paying people  not to work. Sanders must  be  laughing right  now.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 10:17:14 AM
This was a disaster of a  news  conference. The thing to take away is Trump is  proud to pay people to be  unemployed. I think he is actually  enjoying this. Once again dont eat at restaurants. They and small business can go to hell. State govts are going to run out  of  money  real soon and next we will have to bail them out. The  gist  of the  update  is this  may last  forever. Trump is taking  over the economy, or whats going to be  left  of  it and  i see no difference  between what  he and sanders would  do.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 10:19:13 AM
Fauchi is  up there with trump praising  newsome shutting  down california. Could someone  please ask the  idiots why Italy  is  in total lockdown and cases arent dropping. Does trump or any of them have any common sense? Does anyone know  of the  way  flu works. Its well known the  one big reason flu is so prevalent  in winter  is  because  more people stay inside. So what are these  idiots saying? Instead  of saying go about your  life and enjoy spring they are staying stay inside. You cannot  lockdown a virus. Cant wait for Trump to be  gone after this. No one  could be worse. Not a  bit  of  optimism and nothing  but  fearmongering crap.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 10:27:05 AM
Good luck with that!!!

All 40 million residents in the state of California have been ordered to stay home to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

The state is one of the worst affected in the US after Washington and New York. There are now 910 coronavirus cases in California, including 19 deaths.

New York has at least 5,298 cases, while Washington has at least 1,376 confirmed cases.

California is the most populous US state and is the country's largest state economy.

Watch:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-19-20-intl-hnk

Walks, feel free to merge this tomorrow after noon.

Trump praised Newsome today
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 10:28:00 AM
The Dim party is in serious trouble here and you can be certain trump will make it a campaign issue. Just the fact that Nuisance is Pelosi's nephew is going to be his lead weight, she is now toxic in the state.

Trump backed  up Newsome.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 10:30:02 AM
What makes you so certain, and do you seriously think the entire state is going to comply? :rolleyes:

Trump agrees with Newsome, you tell me?
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 10:36:29 AM
I  know  some  of you will say im lying about trump agreeing with newsome but  so you can see for yourself here  is the  whole  disaster of an update. And while you will think its a  plan from bernie sanders, it really  is trump talking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPiJ_7ek9i0
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 10:55:07 AM
At least a 24% contraction with a unemployment rate  of  10+%. Trump actually  stood  up there and was  proud  of  paying  people  not to work. Govt  cant  sustain checks to people  for  long. Proud of  paying people  not to work. Sanders must  be  laughing right  now.
Prediction? Come on, you're so certain of doom and gloom, tell us what the future holds.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 10:59:01 AM
Trump agrees with Newsome, you tell me?
Newsome also said that if not for Trump there would have been far more COVID exposure. That he followed Trump's guidance and it worked as planned.
You do know this so called lock down of Ca is essentially nothing beyond what the State can do with its employee base, right?
I don't see anyone praising Garcetti for locking down la.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 11:04:20 AM
Prediction? Come on, you're so certain of doom and gloom, tell us what the future holds.

Biden!!!and  he  cant  be worse than trump. Depressions wash a  party away for a  long time. He said he wants  keep businesses  open yet  he  is  doing  everything  possible to close them. Just  one example, if trump gets his way and no one goes to theme  parks  in FLA then that  alone takes  75 billion out  of  florida's economy. As someone said  on Fox these  1200 dollars checks  compared to the  mass unemployment  coming is a tick on an elephants ass.

And  going  back to florida most states get 50-60% of tax  money from sales tax, and a good  bit  from gas tax. Sales tax receipts are going to plunge along with the gas tax. How  long will it  be before every state comes to the socialist trump and wants a  bailout? Florida  is  basically  gone. Tourism dead, no money  coming  in.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Killer Clouds on March 20, 2020, 11:07:19 AM
I'm at work. In fact we are working overtime this weekend.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 11:10:18 AM
Newsome also said that if not for Trump there would have been far more COVID exposure. That he followed Trump's guidance and it worked as planned.
You do know this so called lock down of Ca is essentially nothing beyond what the State can do with its employee base, right?
I don't see anyone praising Garcetti for locking down la.

Its great what trump did and  he did  indeed lockdown and destroy the CA economy  on his  buddies advice. Trump better realize fast  people dont  vote for the  president  in office when they lost thier  job. At this  point we may as well just the  whole  country  on lockdown and  just  pay everyone with money  printed  by the fed, it  wont  be taxpayer  money because with millions  unemployed and thousands  of  businesses gone taxpayer  money  will dry  up.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 11:11:53 AM
I'm at work. In fact we are working overtime this weekend.

Good  for  you. But  millions wont  be.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: walkstall on March 20, 2020, 11:22:26 AM
Good  for  you. But  millions wont  be.

But, but Millions will be even from home.   This may open up working for home bigly.
And cut down office space and parking lots.  Even less sick time or 3 day weekends.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on March 20, 2020, 11:28:39 AM
Govenment will alway get there money.  They will just start taxing everything sold on line.  Just like they do the gas tax.  If one hole dry's up the government will open two new holes for taxes.   
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 11:36:59 AM
But, but Millions will be even from home.   This may open up working for home bigly.
And cut down office space and parking lots.  Even less sick time or 3 day weekends.

Yea thats awesome for  financial businesses that  can do work over a  phone. Millions  of  people work in jobs where they cant stay home and work. Having worked  in a  bank i knew quite a few waitresses from Tommy's, a restaurant. They were  open 6am-3pm and were packed from open to close. Alot  of the girls would  bring  in more than a thousand a week in small bills. Tommy's employs about 80 people, or  did. Trumps war  on small  buisness is disgusting  in my opinion. All this  money trump is throwing at the  problem, is as i said  in another  post a tick on an elephants ass. The way to solve this  is tell the  elderly  to be  careful and everyone else  get  back to work.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 11:43:57 AM
Govenment will alway get there money.  They will just start taxing everything sold on line.  Just like they do the gas tax.  If one hole dry's up the government will open two new holes for taxes.

Sure, but if  Trump Doesnt change his course fast you  cant tax people  who dont work. Alot  more wont  be working and all trump has to do to fix  it  is limit restrictions  to the elderly.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Killer Clouds on March 20, 2020, 11:56:06 AM
Its great what trump did and  he did  indeed lockdown and destroy the CA economy  on his  buddies advice. Trump better realize fast  people dont  vote for the  president  in office when they lost thier  job. At this  point we may as well just the  whole  country  on lockdown and  just  pay everyone with money  printed  by the fed, it  wont  be taxpayer  money because with millions  unemployed and thousands  of  businesses gone taxpayer  money  will dry  up.
If you would quit smoking crack and sober up the world might be a better place for you. Trump did NOT shut down Kalifornia. What is shut down was closed by the demonrat POS Newsom. Facts matter.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 12:04:46 PM
If you would quit smoking crack and sober up the world might be a better place for you. Trump did NOT shut down Kalifornia. What is shut down was closed by the demonrat POS Newsom. Facts matter.

And Trump praised him for  closing  california. this  is an economic disaster that  may rival the great depression. Charles Payne said if you want to see shock and awe, look at  unemployment claims  on thursday. 4-5 million?
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: supsalemgr on March 20, 2020, 12:06:13 PM
Yea thats awesome for  financial businesses that  can do work over a  phone. Millions  of  people work in jobs where they cant stay home and work. Having worked  in a  bank i knew quite a few waitresses from Tommy's, a restaurant. They were  open 6am-3pm and were packed from open to close. Alot  of the girls would  bring  in more than a thousand a week in small bills. Tommy's employs about 80 people, or  did. Trumps war  on small  buisness is disgusting  in my opinion. All this  money trump is throwing at the  problem, is as i said  in another  post a tick on an elephants ass. The way to solve this  is tell the  elderly  to be  careful and everyone else  get  back to work.

Please share your resource for declaring Trump has declared war on small business. If it is just your opinion let us know why.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 12:10:38 PM
Another  point is the  auto manufacturers  closing. That  is  going to have a staggering  impact rippling throughout  the economy. With millions unemployed due to the war  on small buisness not  too many people will be  buying  cars.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 12:10:55 PM
Please share your resource for declaring Trump has declared war on small business. If it is just your opinion let us know why.
Whatever he pulls out of his ass.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 12:16:09 PM
Sure, but if  Trump Doesnt change his course fast you cant tax people  who dont work. Alot  more wont  be working and all trump has to do to fix  it  is limit restrictions  to the elderly.
47% of the people pay no taxes.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 12:17:06 PM
Please share your resource for declaring Trump has declared war on small business. If it is just your opinion let us know why.

From listening to his stupid  updates. Limiting  gatherings  of  people to 10 was idiotic. From what  i heard from Nick, owner  of the  once  thriving  crab shack he  can be arrested  if  he tried to open up. there  is  NO reason most  people  shouldnt  be  back working  but  when trump praises new york and  california  for  shutting  down, thats a war  on small business. Big  business will come  back, but  millions  have  lost thier  jobs for  good.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
47% of the people pay no taxes.

they pay sales and gas tax  and when no stores are  open and  people  arent  driving the states are going to be  getting  massive  bailouts  very  soon.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 12:22:20 PM
When Trump started  his  last  morbid  update the  market was  up 300, down 750 now.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 12:25:17 PM
Just  another victim of trumps  business  killing  guidelines. ALL movie theatres are closed down and they once  employed 150,000. You have  no idea  how  bad this economic tsunami is going to be.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 12:26:40 PM
When Trump started  his  last  morbid  update the  market was  up 300, down 750 now.
Is it Trump's fault that other nations are also closing businesses and quarantining citizens? Is it Trump's fault that leading Doctors are urging people to stay away from crowds?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 12:34:08 PM
Is it Trump's fault that other nations are also closing businesses and quarantining citizens? Is it Trump's fault that leading Doctors are urging people to stay away from crowds?

Its trumps fault  he  is  endorsing  it.  reporter today asked  trump if  he agreed with senator  Johnson that this  virus shouldnt  be shutting  down the  whole economy. Trump said today he agreed with what the  other  countries are doing, he  agreed with ca and  ny and  he  dismissed  johnson out  of  hand.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 12:38:03 PM
New Jersey now  complying  with Trump and shutting  down. The cascade effect  is  only  beginning. By the way shut  downs wont work. People  need to be  out and about. Trumps praise  of  New york will kill millions  more  jobs
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 12:43:46 PM
New Jersey now  complying  with Trump and shutting  down. The cascade effect  is  only  beginning. By the way shut  downs wont work. People  need to be  out and about. Trumps praise  of  New york will kill millions  more  jobs
Think Trump is doing this to increase business in his hotels?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 12:46:06 PM
At some  point with all these  shutdowns the precious supply  chain trump keeps talking about is  going to shut  down. Since Trump has pretty  much guaranteed a depression he  may as well take  over the  whole economy and declare  martial law. i t would  make things worse, but what the  hell, go for  it. We can be  like russia was and stand  in long lines for very  few supplies. All for  a  mild  cold.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 12:48:25 PM
Think Trump is doing this to increase business in his hotels?

I  honestly think he  is enjoying being a war time  president though that will be  short  lived  in Nov. and  just as  i predicted Fox  business  is starting to say the  govt  might  need to be a  "backstop" for  municipalities.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 12:56:11 PM
I  honestly think he  is enjoying being a war time  president though that will be  short  lived  in Nov. and  just as  i predicted Fox  business  is starting to say the  govt  might  need to be a  "backstop" for  municipalities.
Trump had the reelection won, and you think he threw all of that away so he could enjoy being a "war time" president?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 01:01:06 PM
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/20/early-signs-that-washington-states-curve-may-be-flattening/   

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major employers in Seattle were also well ahead of the rest of the country in asking employees to work from home. That both helps with social distancing and serves as a signal to people that it’s not business-as-usual.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 01:05:00 PM
Trump had the reelection won, and you think he threw all of that away so he could enjoy being a "war time" president?

Of  course  not, he  had no idea this was going to happen. However, once  it  happened  he  has  made  one  blunder after another. He was almost  giddy in his  morbid  conference today about  how  well he  gets along  with gavin, chuck, and mario and  of  course they hate his  guts and are salivating at his  Nov  removal.

And yea, i think he  is enjoying this and  no doubt  his  yes  men and women are telling  him be even more  morbid. Its too late  now  but  Trump should  have brought  recovered  people to every  update
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 01:07:27 PM
Of  course  not, he  had no idea this was going to happen. However, once  it  happened  he  has  made  one  blunder after another. He was almost  giddy in his  morbid  conference today about  how  well he  gets along  with gavin, chuck, and mario and  of  course they hate his  guts and are salivating at his  Nov  removal.

And yea, i think he  is enjoying this and  no doubt  his  yes  men and women are telling  him be even more  morbid. Its too late  now  but  Trump should  have brought  recovered  people to every  update
But you have no proof. Why has the lsm not been pushing your theory? Think they like Trump now? They were saying he was not doing enough.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: supsalemgr on March 20, 2020, 01:12:08 PM
From listening to his stupid  updates. Limiting  gatherings  of  people to 10 was idiotic. From what  i heard from Nick, owner  of the  once  thriving  crab shack he  can be arrested  if  he tried to open up. there  is  NO reason most  people  shouldnt  be  back working  but  when trump praises new york and  california  for  shutting  down, thats a war  on small business. Big  business will come  back, but  millions  have  lost thier  jobs for  good.

So, it is only your dislike for Trump. Trying to protect the populace is the goal. No question the GOVERNORS' action is not good for small business. However, it is quite a stretch to call it a war on small business by the president.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 01:13:21 PM
Of  course  not, he  had no idea this was going to happen. However, once  it  happened  he  has  made  one  blunder after another. He was almost  giddy in his  morbid  conference today about  how  well he  gets along  with gavin, chuck, and mario and  of  course they hate his  guts and are salivating at his  Nov  removal.

And yea, i think he  is enjoying this and  no doubt  his  yes  men and women are telling  him be even more  morbid. Its too late  now  but  Trump should  have brought  recovered  people to every  update
https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/03/20/fauci-points-out-a-fundamental-difference-between-us-and-italy-in-terms-of-fighting-the-virus/

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But there may also another big difference between us and Italy. We could anticipate and we shut down traffic from China early and then subsequently Europe. They did not. The Mayor of Florence was even encouraging people to “hug Chinese people” in early February to fight “racism.”

Facts are out there if you need help understanding why the world, the U.S, states, and cities responded like they did.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 01:55:56 PM
Biden!!!and  he  cant  be worse than trump. Depressions wash a  party away for a  long time. He said he wants  keep businesses  open yet  he  is  doing  everything  possible to close them. Just  one example, if trump gets his way and no one goes to theme  parks  in FLA then that  alone takes  75 billion out  of  florida's economy. As someone said  on Fox these  1200 dollars checks  compared to the  mass unemployment  coming is a tick on an elephants ass.

And  going  back to florida most states get 50-60% of tax  money from sales tax, and a good  bit  from gas tax. Sales tax receipts are going to plunge along with the gas tax. How  long will it  be before every state comes to the socialist trump and wants a  bailout? Florida  is  basically  gone. Tourism dead, no money  coming  in.
I'll hold you to that prediction. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Killer Clouds on March 20, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
And Trump praised him for  closing  california. this  is an economic disaster that  may rival the great depression. Charles Payne said if you want to see shock and awe, look at  unemployment claims  on thursday. 4-5 million?
Trump did not praise Newsom for closing Kalifornia but even if he did Newsom was the one that decided to close Kalifornia unnecessarily. What don't you understand about that?
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 02:25:49 PM
From listening to his stupid  updates. Limiting  gatherings  of  people to 10 was idiotic. From what  i heard from Nick, owner  of the  once  thriving  crab shack he  can be arrested  if  he tried to open up. there  is  NO reason most  people  shouldnt  be  back working  but  when trump praises new york and  california  for  shutting  down, thats a war  on small business. Big  business will come  back, but  millions  have  lost thier  jobs for  good.
OK Genius! Show me the law Trump signed limiting 10 people, and where he actually closed businesses.
If you're so damn sure Trump is responsible, it should be real easy to prove.

And don't give me any shit, I want actual evidence!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 02:39:48 PM
"If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to", aww screw it, don't go, the entire Bay Area is a Rats nest and the Rats own the city...

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 20, 2020, 02:46:12 PM
"If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to", aww screw it, don't go, the entire Bay Area is a Rats nest and the Rats own the city...

What good is quarantining a city if the homeless can go anywhere?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 02:52:39 PM
What good is quarantining a city if the homeless can go anywhere?
Exactly my point! This whole so called lock down is a complete farce.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Hoofer on March 20, 2020, 03:18:14 PM
While I haven't finished listening to this in totality - https://bluntforcetruth.com/defeating-the-china-virus-an-interview-with-shiva-ayyaduri-episode-512/  is a pretty interesting take on the Wuhan Virus/Flu.  Chuck Wollery & Mark Young's Podcast.

Shiva Ayyaduri suggests President Trump (libs hate that) is being bamboozled by the FDA, CDC and a Deep State advisor-doctor.

Today, I was called to a construction site, the foreman was clearly SICK.  He said his boss insisted he stay on the job.  Two of the other guys were coughing.   I got the hell outta there as fast as I could, keeping my distance.  The weather was *perfect* light rain in the morning had cleared out the pollen - or I would have been sneezing.
I understand the need to keep production/construction/job work moving, if possible - this, IMO, was stupidity on display.   And, the more government gets involved, the more exaggerated the problem - the more likely the cure will be worse than the actual problem.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 03:37:16 PM
The new currency... :lol:

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Hoofer on March 20, 2020, 04:20:05 PM
Here's another doctor saying the SAME thing, how the virus affects the body, as Dr Shiva Ayyaduri was saying.
it is your body's immune overreaction to the virus that floods your lungs & kills ya.

Just thinking... this could be over in a couple of weeks, if this is true - but, I'm not counting on it... not with a lot of money & DC is involved.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 20, 2020, 05:02:03 PM
Pence staffer tests positive for coronavirus, becoming first-known case of a White House employee


A staff member in Vice President Mike Pence’s office has tested positive for coronavirus, a spokesperson for Pence announced Friday evening, making that individual the first publicly-known positive case of a White House staffer.

“‪This evening we were notified that a member of the Office of the Vice President tested positive for the Coronavirus,” Katie Miller, Pence’s press secretary, said in a statement. “Neither President Trump nor Vice President Pence had close contact with the individual.”

Pence’s office did not identify the individual or provide other information about the person or the job they hold. But the Pence spokeswoman said steps are being made to trace others the person has come in contact with.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/a-person-in-pences-office-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-vps-office-announces
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 20, 2020, 07:02:45 PM
Directly from Johns hopkins

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?ei=UTF-8&type=avastbcl&hspart=avast&hsimp=yhs-001&p=johns++hopkins++corona++tracker

Death rate continues to drop quickly. This morning  it  was  1.44 percent and now  with  249 deaths and  19285 known cases the death rate  is  now  1.29% and will drop below  1% shortly, and this  is worth causing a depression? Quite frankly  its  falling  faster than i expected.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 20, 2020, 07:05:52 PM
They will do it

Im sure they will, after all there are a whole 70 cases of the COVID19  in Virginia vs ....what?....*8 million plus population...not counting your buddies the Illegals.

Leftists never consider the practicallity or feasibiity of their actions they're aren't enough cops or even national guard to enforce any such measure which the moron in Calif is about to find out. I really can't wait until he mobilizes all the desk jockeys, backoffice types the steno pool to go out and enforce his edicts. Let 'em start with Compton or east LA where all the illegal Gang bangers, drug thugs and other scum CONTROL THE STREETS.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 21, 2020, 05:40:31 AM
Directly from Johns hopkins

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?ei=UTF-8&type=avastbcl&hspart=avast&hsimp=yhs-001&p=johns++hopkins++corona++tracker

Death rate continues to drop quickly. This morning  it  was  1.44 percent and now  with  249 deaths and  19285 known cases the death rate  is  now  1.29% and will drop below  1% shortly, and this  is worth causing a depression? Quite frankly  its  falling  faster than i expected.
Do you think there is a correlation between the falling death rates and what all is going on that you are complaining about. Here's a look where they did not take this as seriously.


https://pjmedia.com/trending/watch-scenes-from-medieval-europe-burning-the-dead-and-overwhelmed-hospital-staffs/

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What's happening in Italy is reminiscent of scenes from medieval Europe. We're seeing a modern society overwhelmed by disease, something we're not likely to see again anytime soon -- if ever.

The morgues in several cities are beyond capacity, and authorities have taken to burning the bodies of victims of COVID-19.


Idub, my gut feeling is if this was to happen here, you would be screaming that Trump did not do enough, thus completing the circle. By the way, Trump can not quarantine, only states can do that, if you want to place blame and panic, fine, but put the blame where it belongs.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 21, 2020, 06:01:12 AM
Do you think there is a correlation between the falling death rates and what all is going on that you are complaining about. Here's a look where they did not take this as seriously.


https://pjmedia.com/trending/watch-scenes-from-medieval-europe-burning-the-dead-and-overwhelmed-hospital-staffs/


Idub, my gut feeling is if this was to happen here, you would be screaming that Trump did not do enough, thus completing the circle. By the way, Trump can not quarantine, only states can do that, if you want to place blame and panic, fine, but put the blame where it belongs.
You're Right, he wants to blame Trump for everything. He watches TV news and considers himself informed. :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 21, 2020, 06:09:15 AM
From listening to his stupid  updates. Limiting  gatherings  of  people to 10 was idiotic. From what  i heard from Nick, owner  of the  once  thriving  crab shack he  can be arrested  if  he tried to open up. there  is  NO reason most  people  shouldnt  be  back working  but  when trump praises new york and  california  for  shutting  down, thats a war  on small business. Big  business will come  back, but  millions  have  lost thier  jobs for  good.

Still waiting for you to back up your bullshit!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 21, 2020, 06:33:18 AM
You're Right, he wants to blame Trump for everything. He watches TV news and considers himself informed. :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Typical, I wonder how much credit he gave Trump before all of this?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 21, 2020, 07:18:40 AM
Typical, I wonder how much credit he gave Trump before all of this?
He's a lib, he hated the fact that Trump exposed the Marxists for their anti American views, their hatred of capitalism and American culture. So he waited patiently and his media didn't fail him, now they're claiming he's a racist and failure, and he jumped into the herd like the good little sheep he is.

This is soooo going to backfire on the left. Trump's approval numbers continue to climb.

(https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/IpsosPoll_Coronavirus_Q1_ApproveDisapprove_031920_v01_KS_hpEmbed_16x9_992.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 21, 2020, 11:07:07 AM
Do you think there is a correlation between the falling death rates and what all is going on that you are complaining about. Here's a look where they did not take this as seriously.


https://pjmedia.com/trending/watch-scenes-from-medieval-europe-burning-the-dead-and-overwhelmed-hospital-staffs/


Idub, my gut feeling is if this was to happen here, you would be screaming that Trump did not do enough, thus completing the circle. By the way, Trump can not quarantine, only states can do that, if you want to place blame and panic, fine, but put the blame where it belongs.

Sreaming  he didnt  do enough? He  is  doing  overkill to the  economy. Stopping flights was great, but  that  10 person thing was way over the top
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 21, 2020, 11:12:05 AM
He's a lib, he hated the fact that Trump exposed the Marxists for their anti American views, their hatred of capitalism and American culture. So he waited patiently and his media didn't fail him, now they're claiming he's a racist and failure, and he jumped into the herd like the good little sheep he is.

This is soooo going to backfire on the left. Trump's approval numbers continue to climb.

(https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/IpsosPoll_Coronavirus_Q1_ApproveDisapprove_031920_v01_KS_hpEmbed_16x9_992.jpg)

Thats  just  fine for  now, but  we  havent  had the  pain yet and that  will be FAR worse than the  disease. A 24% contraction in 1 quarter will be devastating. The worst  year  of the depression averaged  -12%. While we  may bounce  back in the  4th quarter, possibly  big, that  wont  be  known till after the  election and the  longer this  war  on restaurants  goes  on the  less the  bounce will be.


On another front, 279/22177=death rate  now  of  1.25%, continuing  to drop.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 21, 2020, 11:16:40 AM
He's a lib, he hated the fact that Trump exposed the Marxists for their anti American views, their hatred of capitalism and American culture. So he waited patiently and his media didn't fail him, now they're claiming he's a racist and failure, and he jumped into the herd like the good little sheep he is.

This is soooo going to backfire on the left. Trump's approval numbers continue to climb.

(https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/IpsosPoll_Coronavirus_Q1_ApproveDisapprove_031920_v01_KS_hpEmbed_16x9_992.jpg)

By the way, if  i were a  lib i would be cheerleading  for  a  national lockdown and  martial law  declared  by  Trump. That would just  be even more reason for  a dem sweep in Nov. I want a  national "open up", now.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 21, 2020, 11:17:16 AM
Thats  just  fine for  now, but  we  havent  had the  pain yet and that  will be FAR worse than the  disease. A 24% contraction in 1 quarter will be devastating. The worst  year  of the depression averaged  -12%. While we  may bounce  back in the  4th quarter, possibly  big, that  wont  be  known till after the  election and the  longer this  war  on restaurants  goes  on the  less the  bounce will be.


On another front, 279/22177=death rate  now  of  1.25%, continuing  to drop.
You still have yet to respond to Reply #426.
I suggest you either admit you were wrong, or prove you were right. I won't ask again, and no, this not a suggestion, it's a Demand Notice!

Point is, the forum is tired of your shit posting, and outright opinionated lies, claimed as fact. Time to make it right, or you're getting another timeout!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 21, 2020, 11:20:46 AM
Sreaming  he didnt  do enough? He  is  doing  overkill to the  economy. Stopping flights was great, but  that  10 person thing was way over the top
Want to see real panic, wait until the hospitals start turning away people because there is no room. That is what is going on here, trying to prevent this. Crap man, look at how many professionals world wide are studying this disease, trying to come up with solutions, there are none. That is why they are trying to slow it down. I think closing the restaurants is a little much, but I don't know, and neither do you. In four months this has become world wide, it has not peaked yet. And as stated before, Trump can not quarantine, period. That is left up to the states.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on March 21, 2020, 11:34:35 AM
You still have yet to respond to Reply #426.
I suggest you either admit you were wrong, or prove you were right. I won't ask again, and no, this not a suggestion, it's a Demand Notice!

Point is, the forum is tired of your shit posting, and outright opinionated lies, claimed as fact. Time to make it right, or you're getting another timeout!

I see he is Robo posting again. 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 21, 2020, 11:34:58 AM
FDA Approves Coronavirus Test That Can Provide Results In 45 Minutes


The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the use of a coronavirus test that can detect the virus within 45 minutes, the company that makes the tests announced on Saturday.

The FDA approved the test, created by Cepheid, a California-based medical device company, through Emergency Use Authorization, a process the helps circumvent the lengthy approval process for drugs, medical supplies and diagnostic measures.

Cepheid said that its “point-of-care” test is compatible with 23,000 automated systems it has in hospitals around the world. Five thousand of those are in the United States, the company said in a statement.

“We have developed a test that provides reference lab-quality results in multiple settings where actionable treatment information is needed quickly,” Dr. David Persing, Chief Medical and Technology Officer at Cepheid, said in the statement.

“Our automated systems do not require users to have specialty training to perform testing — they are capable of running 24/7, with many systems already doing so today.” (RELATED: Trump Waives FDA Regulations, Opening Door For Chloroquine To Be Tested As Coronavirus Therapy)

Cepheid said the test will begin shipping out next week.

Dr. Scott Gottlieb, a former FDA commissioner who served in the Trump administration, called the approval a “key milestone” in the coronavirus fight.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/21/fda-approves-cepheid-coronavirus-test-45-minutes/
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 21, 2020, 11:43:38 AM
Good luck with that!!!

All 40 million residents in the state of California have been ordered to stay home to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

The state is one of the worst affected in the US after Washington and New York. There are now 910 coronavirus cases in California, including 19 deaths.

New York has at least 5,298 cases, while Washington has at least 1,376 confirmed cases.

California is the most populous US state and is the country's largest state economy.

Watch:

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-19-20-intl-hnk

Walks, feel free to merge this tomorrow after noon.
They have a good -point, the 2nd Amendment!!!


Meanwhile, not everyone was following orders to stay home. In a Northern California county where officials have ordered residents to stay home and non-essential businesses to close because of the coronavirus pandemic, a gun shop is refusing.

Alameda County Sheriff’s Sgt. Ray Kelley said Thursday that a gun shop called Solar Tactical remains open, despite the order. He said officers have advised the shop to close.

“We’ll start out nice,” Kelley said. “Then we’ll post a notice to close and then we will take enforcement.”

Solar Tactical did not answer phone calls nor immediately respond to messages sent through its website. A message on its Facebook page said the store is now operating on an appointment-only basis and urged customers to call local police to protest the effort to close it.

“Your 2nd Amendment right is no longer considered essential during forced shelter in place,” the shop said. “Please share and get the word out. Call your local officials, news stations, and Alameda County Sheriffs office to let them know how you feel about your 2nd Amendment rights being taken away.”

Gun sales have spiked as consumers who worried that people are becoming desperate and unpredictable amid the outbreak rushed to buy weapons and ammunition.


https://www.kcra.com/article/coronavirus-covid19-california-sacramento-latest-info/31784967
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 21, 2020, 04:18:47 PM
 https://therightscoop.com/whistleblowers-and-residents-in-wuhan-say-china-is-lying-about-lack-of-new-cases-of-coronavirus/

While the dems keep pushing china's propaganda the disease keeps spreading. Who in their right mind really thought there were no new cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 21, 2020, 06:28:23 PM
The number of confirmed cases of coronavirus worldwide has surpassed 300,000, an increase of 50,000 in one day

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETpsOgdX0AAgvF0?format=png&name=small)

Full list...

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/03/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/
Title: "It's Alive" Did this mad scientist create the virus in his Lab in WuHan?
Post by: wally on March 22, 2020, 04:26:37 AM


https://www.npr.org/2020/02/14/806128410/harvard-professors-arrest-raises-questions-about-scientific-openness

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related

https://nationalfile.com/harvard-chemical-biology-scientist-arrested-for-receiving-over-2m-from-chinese-wuhan-university/

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3051226/us-sets-sights-harvard-professor-and-universities-over-chinese-funding

https://www.wsj.com/articles/harvards-chemistry-chair-charged-on-alleged-undisclosed-ties-to-china-11580228768

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/28/harvard-professor-charles-lieber-accused-lying-work-china/4598181002/


So the Head mucky muck of Harvard's Chem Dept. is paid by the Chinese Communists to set a a research Lab in Wuhan China before the outbreak of this new virus which has caused a worldwide pandemic.   Isn't that interesting!



Title: Re: "It's Alive" Did this mad scientist create the virus in his Lab in WuHan?
Post by: Solar on March 22, 2020, 04:40:01 AM
Wally, do me a favor, post these in the COVID thread.
Thanks...
Title: Re: "It's Alive" Did this mad scientist create the virus in his Lab in WuHan?
Post by: wally on March 22, 2020, 07:04:35 AM
will do....   :cool:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 22, 2020, 07:05:50 AM


https://www.npr.org/2020/02/14/806128410/harvard-professors-arrest-raises-questions-about-scientific-openness

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related

https://nationalfile.com/harvard-chemical-biology-scientist-arrested-for-receiving-over-2m-from-chinese-wuhan-university/

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3051226/us-sets-sights-harvard-professor-and-universities-over-chinese-funding

https://www.wsj.com/articles/harvards-chemistry-chair-charged-on-alleged-undisclosed-ties-to-china-11580228768

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/28/harvard-professor-charles-lieber-accused-lying-work-china/4598181002/


So the Head mucky muck of Harvard's Chem Dept. is paid by the Chinese Communists to set a a research Lab in Wuhan China before the outbreak of this new virus which has caused a worldwide pandemic.   Isn't that interesting!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 22, 2020, 07:07:04 AM
November 17: The first case of someone suffering from COVID-19 occurs in Wuhan, according to the South China Morning Post

December 10: Wei Guixian, sold goods in Wuhan’s wet market, reportedly started feeling sick on this day. Thankfully, she was released from the hospital in January, The Wall Street Journal reported.

December 27: Zhang Jixian, a doctor at the Hubei Provincial Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine, sounds the alarm about a new disease that has already affected 180 patients, the Morning Post reported.

December 26-30: The first evidence of the new virus is revealed through Wuhan patient data, which had been sent to multiple Chinese genomics companies, Caixin Global reported.

Hubei’s health commission orders a genomics company to stop testing the new virus and destroy all samples, according to an anonymous source in Caixin Global.

December 31: More than a month after the first incident of COVID-19, Chinese officials alert the World Health Organization (WHO) China Country Office about pneumonia with an unknown cause affecting people in Wuhan, Caixin Global reported.

Chinese Internet authorities started censoring terms relating to the virus on social media, including “Wuhan Unknown Pneumonia,” “SARS Variation,” “Wuhan Seafood Market,” and anything critical of the government’s response to the disease, Citizen Lab reported.

January 1: Eight doctors, including Dr. Li Wenliang, are detained and questioned by the Chinese government, who condemn them for “making false statements on the Internet,” CNN reported. Li is then forced to write a letter saying his warnings “had a negative impact,” the Journal reported.

Caixin Global reported that the Hubei health commission ordered genomics companies to stop testing the virus and destroy samples, confirming its earlier report.

The Wuhan seafood market where the virus allegedly first broke out was finally closed, though it is then “disinfected” without swabbing the individual animal cages or drawing any blood from the workers, meaning the evidence of what may have been the source of the virus was destroyed, the Times reported.

January 3: China’s National Health Commission issued a gag order and ordering pneumonia samples moved to designated testing facilities or destroyed. The Commission also orders institutions not to publish any information about the still unknown disease, Caixin Global reported.

January 5: Professor Zhang Yongzhen of the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Center provided the genomic sequence of the virus to Chinese authorities. On the same day, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission stopped releasing daily updates on new cases, the Journal reported

January 9: WHO released a statement about the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan, suggesting the cases pointed to a coronavirus as the possible pathogen causing the issues. The statement also said China ruled out SARS, MERS, influenza, bird flu, and other common pathogens.

January 10: Wang Guangfa, a prominent People’s Republic of China government expert, told state broadcaster China Central Television that the pneumonia outbreak was “under control” and downplayed the virus as a “mild condition,” the Times reported.

January 11: Because the Chinese government took no action on Yongzhen’s genomic sequence, he published the data online to help the world work on testing methods, the Morning Post reported.

January 12: The National Health Commission shared the virus genomic information with the WHO for the first time, Caixin Global reported. On this same day, Youngzhen’s lab in Shanghai is closed for “rectification,” the Morning Post reported.

January 14: WHO said there may have been human-to-human transmission of the virus, Reuters reported. Also on this day, Chinese police wearing plainclothes start detaining journalists trying to report on the outbreak at Wuhan’s Jinyintan Hospital. The journalists are forced to delete any footage taken and hand over their phones and cameras for inspection, Business Insider and the Times reported.

January 15: Li Qun, head of the Chinese Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) emergency center, claims the risk of human-to-human transmission is “low,” the Journal reported.

more...  https://www.dailywire.com/news/heres-a-timeline-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak-and-chinas-coverup?utm_source=whatfinger


The Chinese Communists have bought the Trump hating America media as a mouthpiece to spread their vile propaganda.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on March 22, 2020, 07:52:37 AM
Simply total unfounded  panic and  i think you  will also observe, and should already  be  observing that very  very  few  people are dying  in any country  other than china. Lots  of  people are dying  of  the  numerous different strains  of  flu however.

Here we are a month later and your post(s) has proven to be prescient.
While the sensationalism and panic about COVED19 is coming to a crescendo, there still has been no real evidence that this virus is deadly enough to shut down economic functions/social functions on a global scale.
My sifting through all the disinformation/drama on this has led me to believe that the elderly should self quarantine, and friends/family should care for them in a safe and appropriate manner. Moreover all those with underlying conditions making them more susceptible to the deadly effects of COVED19 should be encouraged to do likewise.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 22, 2020, 07:56:32 AM
Notice how we no longer discuss:

-climate change, green energy
-pederasts grooming children
-preferred pronouns
-which bathroom everyone gets to use
-men can see a gynecologist
-men joining women' sports
-join girls scouts, boy scouts
-BLM, Confederate Memorabilia, Spetchal Rights for Freaks

The list of attacking Freedoms and Liberty for all, while creating victim status for the chosen appears to have come to a screeching halt while the Marxist media attacks Trump.
Oddly enough, almost as if Trump was drawing their ire as a way of bringing back normalcy. The man is a Genius, all the while wearing Gods Armor.

There's only one conclusion, there 'was' a conspiracy created for one purpose, to destroy American Culture.
When this ends soon, the moment the left starts this shit again, people are literally going to scream a collective, STFU!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on March 22, 2020, 08:39:52 AM
Notice how we no longer discuss:

-climate change, green energy
-pederasts grooming children
-preferred pronouns
-which bathroom everyone gets to use
-men can see a gynecologist
-men joining women' sports
-join girls scouts, boy scouts
-BLM, Confederate Memorabilia, Spetchal Rights for Freaks.   

The list of attacking Freedoms and Liberty for all, while creating victim status for the chosen appears to have come to a screeching halt while the Marxist media attacks Trump.
Oddly enough, almost as if Trump was drawing their ire as a way of bringing back normalcy. The man is a Genius, all the while wearing Gods Armor.

There's only one conclusion, there 'was' a conspiracy created for one purpose, to destroy American Culture.
When this ends soon, the moment the left starts this shit again, people are literally going to scream a collective, STFU!!!

Wish I had your optimism.
IMO, Trump has so dominated the air-waves with his brand of leadership on the COVED19 pandemic that leftist ideologues (vast media empire) are seething under the surface and will blow like a volcanic eruption -spewing their pent-up hatred - when the first safe opportunity presents itself. As a result the herd mentality on-the-fence voting public that receive their education through news outlets will quickly fall back in line.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on March 22, 2020, 08:54:56 AM
Wish I had your optimism.
IMO, Trump has so dominated the air-waves with his brand of leadership on the COVED19 pandemic that leftist ideologues (vast media empire) are seething under the surface and will blow like a volcanic eruption -spewing their pent-up hatred - when the first safe opportunity presents itself. As a result the herd mentality on-the-fence voting public that receive their education through news outlets will quickly fall back in line.

I am not see that in the young people that can vote that I talk with.  But then this is farming country and not the big city. 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 22, 2020, 08:57:56 AM
Wish I had your optimism.
IMO, Trump has so dominated the air-waves with his brand of leadership on the COVED19 pandemic that leftist ideologues (vast media empire) are seething under the surface and will blow like a volcanic eruption -spewing their pent-up hatred - when the first safe opportunity presents itself. As a result the herd mentality on-the-fence voting public that receive their education through news outlets will quickly fall back in line.
Matters not! The base will reelect Trump, even never Trumpers like me, about 30% of the base will not fail this time around.
Add to that, a bloody dead DNC party, whose base bailed on them when they split the vote over Bernie, they've abandoned the party and this so called fence sitter (undecideds) is only a figment of the LSM' imagination.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 22, 2020, 02:19:01 PM
With the tens of thousands of spring breakers ignoring the govt mandates, shouldn’t we be seeing massive massive outbreaks among not only the students but the areas they visited on break? We have several areas and representative control groups of very close interaction. I’ve not seen any data reports on this, which is very odd.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 22, 2020, 02:51:24 PM
The number of confirmed cases of coronavirus worldwide has surpassed 300,000, an increase of 50,000 in one day

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETpsOgdX0AAgvF0?format=png&name=small)

Full list...

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/03/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

And the  death rate  here  keeps  falling.

399/32644=1.22% And its really under 1% since  the  symptons for  most are so mild they didnt  know they were sick

Lets also put this  into a  bit  of  perspective. Lets  look at this  link for  the  year  2017/18.

Flu season deaths top 80,000 last year, CDC says - CNN
www.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017...

"Sep 26, 2018 · The 2017-2018 flu season was one of the deadliest in decades according to the CDC. An estimated 80,000 Americans died of flu and its complications last winter"

80,000 compared to 399 corona  deaths so far this  year. Did we cause an economic  collapse because  80,000 died? the  normal flu season is  considered  to be oct-april 7 months or about  30 weeks. that would avg  to 2667 a week compared to 399 since the  1st  corona death was reported here. Lets take the  whole  52 weeks  however. That averages to 1538 deaths a week. Just a  bit  of  perspective.

OH, and since they say during  winter which is  13 weeks the  avg  number  of  deaths that winter would  have  been per week 6154 and again there was  no panic.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 22, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
The number of confirmed cases of coronavirus worldwide has surpassed 300,000, an increase of 50,000 in one day

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETpsOgdX0AAgvF0?format=png&name=small)

Full list...

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/03/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Since  the  time  limit  ran out to modify  my last  post  let  me  point  out  1 thing  about  your  chart. Italy has  been locked down for  quite a few days  now but  notice the  news cases? You can not  lock down a  mild  virus  like corona because  like the  common cold  it  spreads rapidly. Ebola or  rabies  is very easy  to contain because the  normal rule  of thumb  is the  more deadly  a  virus the harder  it  is  to get. Italy  is  proving  my point  quite  nicely.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 22, 2020, 04:01:21 PM
Since  the  time  limit  ran out to modify  my last  post  let  me  point  out  1 thing  about  your  chart. Italy has  been locked down for  quite a few days  now but  notice the  news cases? You can not  lock down a  mild  virus  like corona because  like the  common cold  it  spreads rapidly. Ebola or  rabies  is very easy  to contain because the  normal rule  of thumb  is the  more deadly  a  virus the harder  it  is  to get. Italy  is  proving  my point  quite nicely.
Italy has 9% who have died. What was your point again?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 22, 2020, 04:06:51 PM
Since  the  time  limit  ran out to modify  my last  post  let  me  point  out  1 thing  about  your  chart. Italy has  been locked down for  quite a few days  now but  notice the  news cases? You can not  lock down a  mild  virus  like corona because  like the  common cold  it  spreads rapidly. Ebola or  rabies  is very easy  to contain because the  normal rule  of thumb  is the  more deadly  a  virus the harder  it  is  to get. Italy  is  proving  my point  quite nicely.
Maybe this is what you were referring to?


https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856

Quote
Israeli doctor Gai Peleg, who is currently working to save lives in Parma, Italy, told Channel 12 that things are only getting worse as the number of patients keeps growing. 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 22, 2020, 04:19:12 PM
With the tens of thousands of spring breakers ignoring the govt mandates, shouldn’t we be seeing massive massive outbreaks among not only the students but the areas they visited on break? We have several areas and representative control groups of very close interaction. I’ve not seen any data reports on this, which is very odd.
Incubation time is two to three weeks. Give it time, kids can be foolish.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 22, 2020, 05:49:05 PM
Maybe this is what you were referring to?


https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856

The  number  of  cases keep growing  because  they are  locked  down
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 22, 2020, 05:54:24 PM
Incubation time is two to three weeks. Give it time, kids can be foolish.

Here is some  other  interesting  info. Australia, which gets  lots  of  tourism from China and  is  quite  close to China has  1314 cases, 7 deaths  for  a death rate  of  0.53%, quite flu like. The reason is its summer there just  turned to fall. Warmer weather will knock out the  virus  here. Italy  has about  5500 deaths, germany 94. Germany  has a death rate  of  0.32%

One  further point:

(https://external.ftpf1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBXtUiQtn1GhvDt&w=540&h=282&url=https://watchers.news/data/thumbs/796_296/2020/03/gfs-temperature-anomaly-march-25-2020-f.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&fallback=news_d_placeholder_publisher&_nc_hash=AQCM5xrN0355CRo1)

That  map might  be  unfamiliar to many but the  bluer the  color the  more  below  normal temps  have  been. That  map is  up to date and  a few  days  ago Northwest Europe where  germany, england france, ireland, switzerland and so forth  have  even been warmer than that which also correlates quite well to thier  much lower death rates and cases. Sadly, for  Italy  besides thier  population being  10 years  older on avg, and  letting  flights  from china  in, they also have  been suffering  well below  normal temps allowing the  virus  to thrive unlike  NW europe with far  fewer cases and deaths. If  Johns Hopkins had had a flu tracker  in 2017/18 like  it  has a  corona  tracker  now everyone  would  have been jumping  out  of  buildings.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 22, 2020, 06:26:27 PM
Incubation time is two to three weeks. Give it time, kids can be foolish.

Yes. My point is if we do not see massive increases in both the areas they traveled to and the areas they returned to, we will all know this was a massive over reaction and massive govt over reach

The economic consequences will be massive and we have the right to understand the justification based on hard data. To date us deaths are a fraction of 1 percent relative to the common flu.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 22, 2020, 06:30:02 PM
Yes. My point is if we do not see massive increases in both the areas they traveled to and the areas they returned to, we will all know this was a massive over reaction and massive govt over reach

The economic consequences will be massive and we have the right to understand the justification based on hard data. To date us deaths are a fraction of 1 percent relative to the common flu.

There  is absolutely  no question the  "CURE" will be far worse than the disease.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 22, 2020, 07:18:23 PM
Yes. My point is if we do not see massive increases in both the areas they traveled to and the areas they returned to, we will all know this was a massive over reaction and massive govt over reach

The economic consequences will be massive and we have the right to understand the justification based on hard data. To date us deaths are a fraction of 1 percent relative to the common flu.
A couple of points. We have a working drug now, second, this bug is 2.5 times more contagious than the common cold.
But here's the real problem, those that do come down with the pneumonia, they must have ventilators, or the death toll rises.
Problem is, we don't have enough, that's why Trump asked Ford, General Motors, Tesla ‘To Go Ahead’ and Mass Produce Coronavirus Ventilators.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/22/trump-ford-general-motors-gm-tesla-produce-ventilators-coronavirus/
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: Solar on March 22, 2020, 07:27:48 PM
From listening to his stupid  updates. Limiting  gatherings  of  people to 10 was idiotic. From what  i heard from Nick, owner  of the  once  thriving  crab shack he  can be arrested  if  he tried to open up. there  is  NO reason most  people  shouldnt  be  back working  but  when trump praises new york and  california  for  shutting  down, thats a war  on small business. Big  business will come  back, but  millions  have  lost thier  jobs for  good.
So are you refusing to prove what you stated as fact? Last chance, admit you're wrong, or get a 2 week timeout.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Rotwang on March 22, 2020, 07:51:03 PM
Matters not! The base will reelect Trump, even never Trumpers like me, about 30% of the base will not fail this time around.
Add to that, a bloody dead DNC party, whose base bailed on them when they split the vote over Bernie, they've abandoned the party and this so called fence sitter (undecideds) is only a figment of the LSM' imagination.

(https://i.imgur.com/2KOkU7a.jpg)
Here's the thing - If you listen to Health Care professionals that want to shut everything down to save lives  - THEY ARE RIGHT.
But that is their focus.
We must, MUST begin to listen to Economicsts.
If we concede to the best wishes of Health Care professionals, we will have a DEPRESSION.
Our National Debt will be forever unpayable. Unemployment thru the roof.
We need to STOP THE HYSTERIA right now.
We need to simply accept some deaths as the price America must pay to survive.
And yes, I am totally prepared to risk the lives of myself and mine to prevent disaster.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 22, 2020, 08:01:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/2KOkU7a.jpg)
Here's the thing - If you listen to Health Care professionals that want to shut everything down to save lives  - THEY ARE RIGHT.
But that is their focus.
We must, MUST begin to listen to Economicsts.
If we concede to the best wishes of Health Care professionals, we will have a DEPRESSION.
Our National Debt will be forever unpayable. Unemployment thru the roof.
We need to STOP THE HYSTERIA right now.
We need to simply accept some deaths as the price America must pay to survive.
And yes, I am totally prepared to risk the lives of myself and mine to prevent disaster.
The real issue is, we just don't know. China continues to lie, WHO covered for China in the early days, and the WHO is run by the very same group pushing Global Warming, the UN.
Personally, I'm not concerned in the least, this will all pass soon after it peaks, but I'm of the belief that we are responsible for ourselves only and those we come in contact with!
I don't care what the govt does, but we're in agreement, shutting down industry does nothing but throw gas on the fire that could easily be extinguished.
Title: Re: BREAKING: California governor orders all 40 million residents to stay at home to
Post by: ldub23 on March 23, 2020, 05:14:21 AM
So are you refusing to prove what you stated as fact? Last chance, admit you're wrong, or get a 2 week timeout.

https://www.srnnews.com/trumps-coronavirus-guidelines-urge-gatherings-not-exceed-10-people-warns-recession-possible/

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Donald Trump issued new guidelines on Monday to help fight the coronavirus, including a recommendation that people avoid social gatherings of more than 10 people, discretionary travel, and going to bars, restaurants and food courts.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 23, 2020, 05:18:42 AM
Just thought I'd throw this out to piss off the LSM. They hate the term Chinese Bug, So Let's start calling this cure, the Trump cure. :biggrin:

Chinese Pandemic, Trump Drug To Fight It :

A Florida man diagnosed with coronavirus claims he was saved from certain death by an anti-malarial drug touted as a possible treatment by President Trump.

Rio Giardinieri, 52, told Los Angeles’ Fox 11 that he struggled with horrendous back pain, headaches, cough and fatigue for five days after catching COVID-19, possibly at a conference in New York.

Doctors at the Joe DiMaggio Children’s Hospital in South Florida diagnosed him with the coronavirus and pneumonia and put him on oxygen in the ICU, he told the outlet.

After more than a week, doctors told him there was nothing more they could do and, on Friday evening, Giardinieri said goodbye to his wife and three children.

“I was at the point where I was barely able to speak and breathing was very challenging,” Giardinieri said. “I really thought my end was there.”

https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/florida-man-with-coronavirus-says-drug-touted-by-trump-saved-his-life/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 23, 2020, 07:04:30 AM
Based on the death rates compared to the normal flu (less than 1% so far), and the economic devastation the actions will have, I'd call this the hail mary flu...the last ditch effort before the 2020 elections to blame something on trump.

Heck, 90% of the media articles are political in nature...always some blame for the corona virus levied at trump...

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 23, 2020, 07:11:11 AM
Incubation time is two to three weeks. Give it time, kids can be foolish.

I understand that...

but my point stands...miami, cancun, south padre island, panama city beach...we know the top destinations and we know how many people were there...

whether these students should have or should not have gone is irrelevant...they went....so we have a control group for the independent variable to be tested...all those who stayed in, businesses closed etc...and hundreds of thousands who ignored mandates - both the students and all the hotels and businesses that hosted them while on break should show massive, massive outbreaks...at least 15-20x the non breakers population....at least...

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 23, 2020, 07:13:24 AM
Based on the death rates compared to the normal flu (less than 1% so far), and the economic devastation the actions will have, I'd call this the hail mary flu...the last ditch effort before the 2020 elections to blame something on trump.

Heck, 90% of the media articles are political in nature...always some blame for the corona virus levied at trump...
As long as there are enough hospital beds, the death rate can be kept low. However, if the virus explodes in numbers, there will not be enough, as this is what is happening in Italy, and the death rate will go up.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1257852/Italy-coronavirus-intubating-elderly-pandemic-china-hospitals-Nadine-Dorries


This is what President Trump is trying to avoid.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 23, 2020, 08:26:49 AM
I understand that...

but my point stands...miami, cancun, south padre island, panama city beach...we know the top destinations and we know how many people were there...

whether these students should have or should not have gone is irrelevant...they went....so we have a control group for the independent variable to be tested...all those who stayed in, businesses closed etc...and hundreds of thousands who ignored mandates - both the students and all the hotels and businesses that hosted them while on break should show massive, massive outbreaks...at least 15-20x the non breakers population....at least...
I wouldn't call it a control group because it's not a contained group, many will not come down with symptoms, yet may be contagious as they spread it across the country on their return trip, then wait another 2 to 3 weeks for that outbreak to occur.
This is the problem with youth, they aren't really deep thinkers, they think only of themselves and believe they're invulnerable. Anyway, I'm going off my history as a stupid teen.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 23, 2020, 08:58:25 AM
I wouldn't call it a control group because it's not a contained group, many will not come down with symptoms, yet may be contagious as they spread it across the country on their return trip, then wait another 2 to 3 weeks for that outbreak to occur.
This is the problem with youth, they aren't really deep thinkers, they think only of themselves and believe they're invulnerable. Anyway, I'm going off my history as a stupid teen.

Certainly the places  all visited are a control group. If the hypothesis behind all the business closing etc is correct, you expect to see major major outbreaks in spring break destinations.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 23, 2020, 09:58:47 AM
Certainly the places  all visited are a control group. If the hypothesis behind all the business closing etc is correct, you expect to see major major outbreaks in spring break destinations.
Yes, but assuming any of them contract it as they gather, they won't be symptomatic for several days, though still contagious, so everyone they come in contact with is susceptible.
Kids from all across the Nation heading back home, the amount of man hours retracing their steps will in itself, take days if not weeks/months.
In the mean time, those people are spreading it as well. Thank God they found what appears to be a cure.

Like I said, this has yet to peak, but I don't see long term damage to the economy, in fact, the optimist in me sees an even bigger boom than we've experienced since Trump took office.
The world is waiting for the US to recover, so we will be leading the recovery.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 23, 2020, 10:03:17 AM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 23, 2020, 10:19:37 AM
Yes, but assuming any of them contract it as they gather, they won't be symptomatic for several days, though still contagious, so everyone they come in contact with is susceptible.
Kids from all across the Nation heading back home, the amount of man hours retracing their steps will in itself, take days if not weeks/months.
In the mean time, those people are spreading it as well. Thank God they found what appears to be a cure.

Like I said, this has yet to peak, but I don't see long term damage to the economy, in fact, the optimist in me sees an even bigger boom than we've experienced since Trump took office.
The world is waiting for the US to recover, so we will be leading the recovery.
The nation got the chance to see exactly how the two parties act in times of crisis, looks like a clear choice to me.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 23, 2020, 10:48:04 AM
Yes, but assuming any of them contract it as they gather, they won't be symptomatic for several days, though still contagious, so everyone they come in contact with is susceptible.
Kids from all across the Nation heading back home, the amount of man hours retracing their steps will in itself, take days if not weeks/months.
In the mean time, those people are spreading it as well. Thank God they found what appears to be a cure.

Like I said, this has yet to peak, but I don't see long term damage to the economy, in fact, the optimist in me sees an even bigger boom than we've experienced since Trump took office.
The world is waiting for the US to recover, so we will be leading the recovery.

for a minute, lets forget about the students and where they return to...where they visited should show massive increases in the disease...massive....all we should be hearing about over the next 2 weeks is what is happening in miami, cancun, south padre island...remember many were there over the past 1-4 weeks ..

yes, over time we will recover economically...was it worth it...why not shut down every flu season that kills astronomically more...

the scary part is, to me, is this disease has killed less that 1% of the annual flu in the states and look how easy it was for the feds and locals gov't to shut down just about everything, and force people to not gather etc...

if it kills 20% of the annual flu - so at least 20-40x more people die...would it be worth shutting down practically the whole economy?

even if for the best of intentions, it was shown how easy it is for gov't to force businesses to close....that is unsettling...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 23, 2020, 10:58:44 AM
for a minute, lets forget about the students and where they return to...where they visited should show massive increases in the disease...massive....all we should be hearing about over the next 2 weeks is what is happening in miami, cancun, south padre island...remember many were there over the past 1-4 weeks ..

yes, over time we will recover economically...was it worth it...why not shut down every flu season that kills astronomically more...

the scary part is, to me, is this disease has killed less that 1% of the annual flu in the states and look how easy it was for the feds and locals gov't to shut down just about everything, and force people to not gather etc...

if it kills 20% of the annual flu - so at least 20-40x more people die...would it be worth shutting down practically the whole economy?

even if for the best of intentions, it was shown how easy it is for gov't to force businesses to close....that is unsettling...

Here  is  some  more good  news. The death rate  continues to drop.
Mild  corona  virus death reate  continues  on a steady decline. Last  night  i calculated  it as  1.27% As  of a few  minutes ago from johns  hopkins  its  sunk to 459/40961=1.11%. A rather  large  drop. Its time  to drop the  fearmongering. It will be  below  1% very  soon. I dont think when this  is  over there  will be  much difference  in flu and  corona death rates. Also look at  what  i posted  about  2017/18 where the CDC said 80,000 died  in the states of the  flu in the  winter  months. We  need to get  back to work. As far as your  point about  it  being  unsettling  for  the govt  to be able to force  business to close i wonder  if thats even constitutional.

"yes, over time we will recover economically...was it worth it...why not shut down every flu season that kills astronomically more..."

You make a really  good  point. Not  just the  flu though, but  what  if  someone  somewhere  gets  corona when flu season starts  up again in Oct? Shut  down the  whole  economy  again?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 23, 2020, 10:59:57 AM
for a minute, lets forget about the students and where they return to...where they visited should show massive increases in the disease...massive....all we should be hearing about over the next 2 weeks is what is happening in miami, cancun, south padre island...remember many were there over the past 1-4 weeks ..

yes, over time we will recover economically...was it worth it...why not shut down every flu season that kills astronomically more...

the scary part is, to me, is this disease has killed less that 1% of the annual flu in the states and look how easy it was for the feds and locals gov't to shut down just about everything, and force people to not gather etc...

if it kills 20% of the annual flu - so at least 20-40x more people die...would it be worth shutting down practically the whole economy?

even if for the best of intentions, it was shown how easy it is for gov't to force businesses to close....that is unsettling...
This virus is listed as far more contagious than the common flu. We do not want to get in the situation Italy is in. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1257852/Italy-coronavirus-intubating-elderly-pandemic-china-hospitals-Nadine-Dorries

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if it kills 20% of the annual flu - so at least 20-40x more people die...would it be worth shutting down practically the whole economy?
Long as we are just making up numbers, what if it kills 100 times more people? If you are going to use numbers show where you are getting them. Keeping people from having to go to the hospital in the first place is the key to a low death rate. Do you really think the whole world is just playing games with this virus??
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on March 23, 2020, 11:10:31 AM
This virus is listed as far more contagious than the common flu. We do not want to get in the situation Italy is in. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1257852/Italy-coronavirus-intubating-elderly-pandemic-china-hospitals-Nadine-Dorries
 Long as we are just making up numbers, what if it kills 100 times more people? If you are going to use numbers show where you are getting them. Keeping people from having to go to the hospital in the first place is the key to a low death rate. Do you really think the whole world is just playing games with this virus??

Lets  not  make  up numbers. The death rate  has  been on a steady  decline  since  it was first  reported. The  first  numbers  are  in another  post i made and the  initial death rate  in the states was  4.06% As  of a  few  minutes ago its  1.11% and  its really  well below 1% based  on my  previous  post. Its spring, the  virus  is likely going to go   dormant, and this  wont  kill anywhere what  the  flu did  in 2017/18.

Here  is another  comparative  stat
https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state

In Virginia there are an average  of  80 motor  vehicle  deaths  a  month. Jan-thru march that  would  be  240.  My  quick calculation based  on my  link shows that there are  9.6 fatalities  per  100000 people  in va  for  motor  vehicle  deaths while there are  0.047 deaths  per  100000 for  corona so far. There are  alot  more things  more deadly  than corona.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 23, 2020, 11:17:31 AM
for a minute, lets forget about the students and where they return to...where they visited should show massive increases in the disease...massive....all we should be hearing about over the next 2 weeks is what is happening in miami, cancun, south padre island...remember many were there over the past 1-4 weeks ..

yes, over time we will recover economically...was it worth it...why not shut down every flu season that kills astronomically more...

the scary part is, to me, is this disease has killed less that 1% of the annual flu in the states and look how easy it was for the feds and locals gov't to shut down just about everything, and force people to not gather etc...

if it kills 20% of the annual flu - so at least 20-40x more people die...would it be worth shutting down practically the whole economy?

even if for the best of intentions, it was shown how easy it is for gov't to force businesses to close....that is unsettling...
What's being overlooked here is, this is not the flu, it is in addition to the flu and COVID is 2.5 times more contagious than the flu.

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The seasonal flu has a fatality rate of less than 1%. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, estimates that the flu fatality rate is closer to 0.1%. But even accounting for the mild, yet undiagnosed cases of COVID-19, he said last Wednesday, it would still make it “roughly 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu.”

Another reason not to compare the two viruses: Influenza has likely been around for more than 2,000 years. “The flu has been with us since the birth of modern medicine,” said Adalja. Scientists say the “novel influenza A viruses” in humans lead to a pandemic approximately once every 40 years. But, again, flu vaccines exist.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-vs-the-flu-its-just-like-other-viruses-and-we-should-go-about-our-normal-business-right-wrong-heres-why-2020-03-09

Thing is, no one knows and that's why the over the top precautions, we've never been here before. Does this validate killing the economy, an economy that will most assuredly recover?
No one has the answer, but doing nothing isn't the answer either. It may be a needed shock to wake people up to being more aware of their environment, I don't know. But what I do know, is Trump has the greatest minds working on the problem and I have to trust that they know what they're doing.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 23, 2020, 11:48:57 AM
There is a great deal of generalized average data. One must drill down into the numbers.

Have you examined the death rates by age group. Business insider published this chart. 80 and over its high, 70 and over about half as high. 60 - 70 far less. By the time you get to 50-60 it’s a tiny fraction.

The solutions do not match the problem.

It’s a akin to saying America has a gun problem. No, America has some inner city cesspools with a gang problem. Of over 3000 us counties, most all violence happens it tiny zip codes in about 1 percent of the counties.

Defining the problem better helps with the solution

That has not happened.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 23, 2020, 12:25:47 PM
here is the source data for my last post...

https://www.businessinsider.com/most-us-coronavirus-deaths-ages-65-older-cdc-report-2020-3

death by age group, and a number of other data points by age group..

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 23, 2020, 12:31:43 PM
There is a great deal of generalized average data. One must drill down into the numbers.

Have you examined the death rates by age group. Business insider published this chart. 80 and over its high, 70 and over about half as high. 60 - 70 far less. By the time you get to 50-60 it’s a tiny fraction.

The solutions do not match the problem.

It’s a akin to saying America has a gun problem. No, America has some inner city cesspools with a gang problem. Of over 3000 us counties, most all violence happens it tiny zip codes in about 1 percent of the counties.

Defining the problem better helps with the solution

That has not happened.
A gun problem is not contagious, you do understand that ? Is the gun problem spreading? Can you get a gun problem by contact? Yes, defining the problem can help with the solution, your example is no where near that.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 23, 2020, 12:36:32 PM
A gun problem is not contagious, you do understand that ? Is the gun problem spreading? Can you get a gun problem by contact? Yes, defining the problem can help with the solution, your example is no where near that.

you understand the analogy is not between the virus and gun violence right???? Not sure how you missed that...re-read my post slowly, the focus in on interpreting data...The analogy is when evaluating data, one must drilled down past overall numbers and averages...

read or listen, and then talk, or write
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 23, 2020, 12:43:02 PM
you understand the analogy is not between the virus and gun violence right???? Not sure how you missed that...re-read my post slowly, the focus in on interpreting data...The analogy is when evaluating data, one must drilled down past overall numbers and averages...

read or listen, and then talk, or write
Answer the question, is gun violence contagious? The problem with the virus is not just people get sick, its that it spreads quickly, you do see that, right?

read or listen, and then talk, or write 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 23, 2020, 12:48:14 PM
Answer the question, is gun violence contagious? The problem with the virus is not just people get sick, its that it spreads quickly, you do see that, right?

read or listen, and then talk, or write

you are pivoting...

my analogy, as I clearly explained, is not comparing guns and this virus as a danger,,,,the analogy is about interpreting data and my frustration that the solutions do not match the problem...

if you want to start a new thread and ask me if I think a gun will give you a disease, I will say no...does that help...

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 23, 2020, 01:16:26 PM
you are pivoting...

my analogy, as I clearly explained, is not comparing guns and this virus as a danger,,,,the analogy is about interpreting data and my frustration that the solutions do not match the problem...

if you want to start a new thread and ask me if I think a gun will give you a disease, I will say no...does that help...
there is no comparison,  the solutions for these two problems will be far different requardless of data. You cannot find a solution based off what works for gun violence.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 23, 2020, 02:08:36 PM
There is a great deal of generalized average data. One must drill down into the numbers.

Have you examined the death rates by age group. Business insider published this chart. 80 and over its high, 70 and over about half as high. 60 - 70 far less. By the time you get to 50-60 it’s a tiny fraction.

The solutions do not match the problem.

It’s a akin to saying America has a gun problem. No, America has some inner city cesspools with a gang problem. Of over 3000 us counties, most all violence happens it tiny zip codes in about 1 percent of the counties.

Defining the problem better helps with the solution

That has not happened.
Check your data again and look at the age group on Spring break.

(https://i.insider.com/5e727eccc4854030e44c2807?width=1000&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 23, 2020, 02:58:11 PM
spring break - 18-22 age...this grouping is for ages 20-44...

when I see massive, massive spikes in the cities I mentioned, then we will know more...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 23, 2020, 03:28:18 PM
spring break - 18-22 age...this grouping is for ages 20-44...

when I see massive, massive spikes in the cities I mentioned, then we will know more...
There is a bleed over in those numbers, 19 to 30 but they aren't breaking it down that way. But the real issue isn't who is suffering from it, but the rate of transmission in what age groups groups.
These kids normally don't travel, as compared to working adults, which raises their exposure rate, as well as transmissible issues.


There will most likely be hotspots all over the country, most likely intercity shitholes run by Dims. Just look to Ca as proof. Which raises another quandary, rounding up homeless and cramming them together, much like cruise ship debacle.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 23, 2020, 03:48:40 PM
Just heard, Spain is having to leave patients laying in the hallway, not enough beds.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 23, 2020, 04:24:40 PM
Just heard, Spain is having to leave patients laying in the hallway, not enough beds.
Yep, socialized medicine, to be expected. :glare:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on March 23, 2020, 05:30:04 PM
I am not see that in the young people that can vote that I talk with.  But then this is farming country and not the big city.

“Farming country” and the “big city” - the former feeds America and the latter bleeds America!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Rotwang on March 23, 2020, 07:55:06 PM
“Farming country” and the “big city” - the former feeds America and the latter bleeds America!

CITY = PARASITE
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: taxed on March 24, 2020, 12:47:41 AM
Get ready, the WuFlu is about to knock the Dims Impeachment off the front page. Seriously, this thing is spreading fast.


zerohedge
@zerohedge
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Coronavirus patients have been identified in Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen, as well as Taiwan, Japan, Thailand and South Korea. And now, the US

Just looking at the date for this first post... January 21.  Wow.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 24, 2020, 06:01:44 AM
Just looking at the date for this first post... January 21.  Wow.
Yeah, it's been awhile. I wasn't sure what to believe, I'd been following the story for awhile, and so many lies out of China from the beginning, I wasn't sure it was even real.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 24, 2020, 07:33:15 AM
There is a bleed over in those numbers, 19 to 30 but they aren't breaking it down that way. But the real issue isn't who is suffering from it, but the rate of transmission in what age groups groups.
These kids normally don't travel, as compared to working adults, which raises their exposure rate, as well as transmissible issues.


There will most likely be hotspots all over the country, most likely intercity shitholes run by Dims. Just look to Ca as proof. Which raises another quandary, rounding up homeless and cramming them together, much like cruise ship debacle.

agree -good points...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Rotwang on March 24, 2020, 07:57:58 AM
Yeah, it's been awhile. I wasn't sure what to believe, I'd been following the story for awhile, and so many lies out of China from the beginning, I wasn't sure it was even real.

President Trump is in the midst of the greatest deal of his life.

And it's a terrible gamble.

He needs to calm people down enough so as to reopen businesses.

But he must also hope that very few people die, or that he can soothe the popular outrage when they do.

I predict far more in the USA will expire from the Seasonal Flu this year than from COVID-19. Yet people generally ignore the Seasonal Flu deaths.

As they will ignore COVID-19 deaths in every year in the future.

It is a delicate dance. One that the future of our very Republic depends on.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on March 24, 2020, 09:51:42 AM
I "stole"  this from a friends Facebook page....  This person is a doctor at a hospital in Illinois.  The part apart Trixie is funny and informative.  Toy

So, a viral primer... Have a seat class.  Here is part one of our journey:
Coronaviruses are a family of viruses.  They are spheres of protein that surround the genetic material which is RNA (not DNA like our genetic code).  They are called coronaviruses because the proteins embedded in the envelope on the outside of the virus (called spikes) radiate out from the center like a crown or halo, and the Latin word for that is "corona".  Viruses do not divide like bacteria or fungus.  They have to hijack another organism in order to make more copies and grow / thrive. 
There are dozens of different Coronaviruses, but most don't infect humans.  However, we have known about Coronaviruses since the 1960s.  Members of this viral family have caused illnesses like SARS (similar to our current misbehaving member) and MERS.  For many years, we have tested for 4 different human coronaviruses on our routine respiratory swab at the hospital.  These include Coronavirus 229E, OC43, NL63, and HKU1.  So, if we have known that these viruses have been around for a long time, and we know they infect humans, why is this one so significant?  Well, let's start by talking about terrible people who don't follow the rules and learn about how the virus infects.

Say that Trixie (A U of I spring breaker who is NOT listening to the social distancing recommendations) is in Florida and gets infected by her new bestie from Ohio State.  She returns to her part-time job at the local grocery store.  A number of COVID viruses are living in a microscopic droplet in her nose.  She looks left and right...
(Go ahead Trixie.  No one is looking)
...then picks her nose.  She wipes the evidence on her apron, and goes about her day.
Moments later, you come around the corner, super thrilled because there was ONE package of toilet paper left.  You are WINNING the day!  No more magazine and newspaper pages for you tonight, but you aren't sharing with the rest of the family, and we aren't judging you for that.
Sorry, I digress...
You pay with cash, and Trixie smiles and hands you your change, telling you to have a nice day.  You've always loved that Trixie... so cheery!  What you don't know is that the three George Washingtons you just folded neatly and put in your pocket came with a special surprise:  those viruses hitched a ride, and you aren't even aware that as you rub your eyes (because your allergies have been giving you fits), you have now inoculated yourself with enough COVID to cause infection. 
The little boogers (pun intended) attach to some cells near where you rubbed, and invade, spilling their contents into the cells they invaded.  They then spit their RNA into their new host cell, and they get to work.  They hijack your own cell's machines to make many copies of their own RNA, then copies of their own proteins, then assemble all the parts together into new viruses.  They make so many copies, that the cell can no longer hold the volume of viruses, and the cell bursts, allowing the new viruses to invade the neighboring host cells, and a new infection is born.
So, why don't our bodies stop this?
HOW do they stop it?
Why don't antibiotics work?
How is this different than the other coronaviruses? other kinds of viruses?
Stay tuned!  I'll go over this and more!  Tomorrow's update will continue to help you unravel just what this thing is and what it all means
Until then, my friends stay safe and...
DON'T BE A TRIXIE!  YOU DON'T NEED A NEW BESTIE FROM OHIO STATE!  OH, AND CONTINUE TO PRACTICE GOOD SOCIAL DISTANCING YOU ANIMALS!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 24, 2020, 10:49:12 AM
I am my family are practicing social distancing.

That said, spring break started mid feb. Two most popular destinations in us - Panama City beach - 1 case reported. South padre island - 2 cases reported.

We should watch these areas closely. With the tens of Thousands of people visiting those areas, with all the locals working in the service industry, bars restaurants hotels all close proximity. We should expect to see a massively disproportionate increase amongst the local population, relative to areas that practice social distancing.

Here in my county, extremely low density of people, and all restaurants and bars closed in very rural Maine, we have 4 confirmed cases.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 24, 2020, 11:29:55 AM
I am my family are practicing social distancing.

That said, spring break started mid feb. Two most popular destinations in us - Panama City beach - 1 case reported. South padre island - 2 cases reported.

We should watch these areas closely. With the tens of Thousands of people visiting those areas, with all the locals working in the service industry, bars restaurants hotels all close proximity. We should expect to see a massively disproportionate increase amongst the local population, relative to areas that practice social distancing.

Here in my county, extremely low density of people, and all restaurants and bars closed in very rural Maine, we have 4 confirmed cases.
I assumed my area was relatively safe, I was wrong. Just talked to my mail lady, she said when the Bay Are libs discovered we had TP and other goods in our stores, they started coming up in droves to buy us out.
She also said one family is self quarantining because they think they caught it. They had no contact with any known source, but aren't taking any chances and testing has yet to come back.
Luckily like most of us, they too live on acreage and can easily self isolate.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on March 24, 2020, 11:43:33 AM
Part 2 Coronovirus lesson....

You are all doing a great job, and I appreciate the feedback, and your continued interest in learning about the virus causing this.
 
One issue to consider:
We are being asked to stay home to flatten the curve (and slow the progression).  We are (in most locations) still allowed to go on runs for essentials.  However, make sure you are buying normally, not in bulk and not for hoarding.  My brother-in-law is a buyer for supermarkets.  He sent me a message yesterday to make sure folks know that there is no supply shortage. If we shop normally, the shelves will look normal.  If you go to the store, and shelves look bare, it is because individual consumers have changed their buying habits.  Stores can only receive so much supply on one truck, so they can only stock what they can stock.  If you buy normally, the stores will go back to looking normal with normal supply.  This is just one of the many reasons not to panic.  Panic buying leads to shortages.

Back to class, friends:
So, we left off with HOW the virus is transmitted.
Trixie has done her damage, and now there are viruses replicating inside your own cells without your knowledge… for now.
What are the stages of illness, and the causes of those stages?
Well, I referenced the “incubation period” yesterday.  That is the period of time where you are infected, and virus is replicating inside you, but you aren’t showing any symptoms.  It is likely that at some point in this period, you will become contagious, but we aren’t totally sure at what point this happens. 
Our current understanding is that this period lasts between 2 and 14 days, with an average of 4 days. 
During the initial, replication stage of infection, our immune system notices.  It does this, because our cells have a process inside of them where if any individual cell detects an invader inside, it will display a “flag” of sorts on the outside of the cell, alerting our immune system.  At this point, there are a number of things that can happen to put a stop to the progression of illness.  However, in an infection that is different enough than infections that have passed through the population in the past, we won’t have a way of containing the illness before it becomes a full-blown infection.  The initial steps our immune system takes will become overwhelmed and fail.
During this stage, relatively mild symptoms can occur, and these symptoms are usually due to direct effects of the virus on the cells as well as chemicals released by our immune cells. The symptoms are usually fever, cough (non-productive), and malaise (a fancy way of saying “I feel crappy”).  The symptoms are so mild during this stage that patients rarely feel bad enough to seek care.  They will, however, sit at home cursing the name of Trixie.
After this early phase, we start to see more symptoms. This pulmonary phase results in more respiratory symptoms due to invasion and damage of the lung cells that are involved in holding our smallest airways open and mediate exchange of gasses from the air we breathe into the blood that flows through the lungs to collect oxygen.
We also see an increase in the body’s immune response resulting in inflammation.  This is when we see patients begin to feel worse and seek care.  They are short of breath, and not able to maintain adequate oxygenation.  If they continue to deteriorate, this is where the paths diverge between those who experience mild or moderate disease who can recover at home and those who require hospitalization.
On average, if a patient is going to develop severe disease, they will get to the point where they are short of breath at 6 days after exposure.  They require admission, on average, at 8 days after exposure and require intubation or ICU admission at about 10 days after exposure.  Remember that these are averages, and can’t really predict the clinical course of any one patient who gets sick.
If a patient progresses farther to this severe stage, this is where a storm of immune chemicals causes inflammation and immune response all over the body, even though the amount of virus in the body is falling.  Remember that only a small percentage of folks enter this severe stage of illness, and most make a U-turn in one of the first stages and progress back to recovery. 
I don’t teach you about these things to frighten you at all, because my goal is always the opposite.  However, I can’t educate you about just PART of what happens.  That wouldn’t be very genuine.  Trixie might do that, but not me
The small percentage that progress to severe disease are usually the elderly or the at-risk folks.  We protect them, by learning about this disease, and taking measures to protect them.  We all know someone who is at-risk, and we want to keep them safe!
The photo today is my poor, at-risk Tatiana.  This girl is scared of everything, including Coronavirus, but it's ok.  She prefers to "shelter in place" all the time, naturally social distancing
You’re all doing great, and I appreciate all of you!
Keep up the good work, stay tuned, and STOP BUYING IN BULK YOU ANIMALS!
See you tomorrow!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 24, 2020, 01:13:13 PM
Tuesday on ABC’s “The View,” 2020 Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden had a confusing answer when asked about the coronavirus outbreak.

Co-host Sara Haines asked, “We talked about Trump saying the government would reassess the wrecked period for keeping businesses shut and people at home. Are you at all concerned as Trump said that we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself?”

Actual Joe Biden Quote: "We have to take care of the cure. That will make the problem worse, no matter what. No matter what."



https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/03/24/biden-on-coronavirus-we-have-to-take-care-of-the-cure-that-will-make-the-problem-worse-no-matter-what/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 24, 2020, 02:41:04 PM
We know we do not shut down the us economy for the flu season each year - 40,000 deaths annually conservatively. In fact, it’s never been a consideration.

We know who shut down business. And we know who stayed open. And we know the areas where tens of thousands visited and partied

This will all be revealed as a very economically damaging but necessary health move. Or the biggest scam of the last two centuries.

We shall see.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Rotwang on March 24, 2020, 04:19:16 PM
We know we do not shut down the us economy for the flu season each year - 40,000 deaths annually conservatively. In fact, it’s never been a consideration.

We know who shut down business. And we know who stayed open. And we know the areas where tens of thousands visited and partied

This will all be revealed as a very economically damaging but necessary health move. Or the biggest scam of the last two centuries.

We shall see.

I'm going with:

Corona is a major over-reaction designed by the Democrats as a last-ditch effort to harm President Trump
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 24, 2020, 04:21:55 PM
I'm going with:

Corona is a major over-reaction designed by the Democrats as a last-ditch effort to harm President Trump
More like. "Never let a good crisis go to waste".
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Rotwang on March 24, 2020, 04:33:42 PM
Part 2 Coronovirus lesson....

You are all doing a great job, and I appreciate the feedback, and your continued interest in learning about the virus causing this.
 
One issue to consider:
We are being asked to stay home to flatten the curve (and slow the progression).  We are (in most locations) still allowed to go on runs for essentials.  However, make sure you are buying normally, not in bulk and not for hoarding.  My brother-in-law is a buyer for supermarkets.  He sent me a message yesterday to make sure folks know that there is no supply shortage. If we shop normally, the shelves will look normal.  If you go to the store, and shelves look bare, it is because individual consumers have changed their buying habits.  Stores can only receive so much supply on one truck, so they can only stock what they can stock.  If you buy normally, the stores will go back to looking normal with normal supply.  This is just one of the many reasons not to panic.  Panic buying leads to shortages.

Back to class, friends:
So, we left off with HOW the virus is transmitted.
Trixie has done her damage, and now there are viruses replicating inside your own cells without your knowledge… for now.
What are the stages of illness, and the causes of those stages?
Well, I referenced the “incubation period” yesterday.  That is the period of time where you are infected, and virus is replicating inside you, but you aren’t showing any symptoms.  It is likely that at some point in this period, you will become contagious, but we aren’t totally sure at what point this happens. 
Our current understanding is that this period lasts between 2 and 14 days, with an average of 4 days. 
During the initial, replication stage of infection, our immune system notices.  It does this, because our cells have a process inside of them where if any individual cell detects an invader inside, it will display a “flag” of sorts on the outside of the cell, alerting our immune system.  At this point, there are a number of things that can happen to put a stop to the progression of illness.  However, in an infection that is different enough than infections that have passed through the population in the past, we won’t have a way of containing the illness before it becomes a full-blown infection.  The initial steps our immune system takes will become overwhelmed and fail.
During this stage, relatively mild symptoms can occur, and these symptoms are usually due to direct effects of the virus on the cells as well as chemicals released by our immune cells. The symptoms are usually fever, cough (non-productive), and malaise (a fancy way of saying “I feel crappy”).  The symptoms are so mild during this stage that patients rarely feel bad enough to seek care.  They will, however, sit at home cursing the name of Trixie.
After this early phase, we start to see more symptoms. This pulmonary phase results in more respiratory symptoms due to invasion and damage of the lung cells that are involved in holding our smallest airways open and mediate exchange of gasses from the air we breathe into the blood that flows through the lungs to collect oxygen.
We also see an increase in the body’s immune response resulting in inflammation.  This is when we see patients begin to feel worse and seek care.  They are short of breath, and not able to maintain adequate oxygenation.  If they continue to deteriorate, this is where the paths diverge between those who experience mild or moderate disease who can recover at home and those who require hospitalization.
On average, if a patient is going to develop severe disease, they will get to the point where they are short of breath at 6 days after exposure.  They require admission, on average, at 8 days after exposure and require intubation or ICU admission at about 10 days after exposure.  Remember that these are averages, and can’t really predict the clinical course of any one patient who gets sick.
If a patient progresses farther to this severe stage, this is where a storm of immune chemicals causes inflammation and immune response all over the body, even though the amount of virus in the body is falling.  Remember that only a small percentage of folks enter this severe stage of illness, and most make a U-turn in one of the first stages and progress back to recovery. 
I don’t teach you about these things to frighten you at all, because my goal is always the opposite.  However, I can’t educate you about just PART of what happens.  That wouldn’t be very genuine.  Trixie might do that, but not me
The small percentage that progress to severe disease are usually the elderly or the at-risk folks.  We protect them, by learning about this disease, and taking measures to protect them.  We all know someone who is at-risk, and we want to keep them safe!
The photo today is my poor, at-risk Tatiana.  This girl is scared of everything, including Coronavirus, but it's ok.  She prefers to "shelter in place" all the time, naturally social distancing
You’re all doing great, and I appreciate all of you!
Keep up the good work, stay tuned, and STOP BUYING IN BULK YOU ANIMALS!
See you tomorrow!

GREAT POST !

Social Isolation and Quarantines are, in a way, a Science Experiment.

How do we know if it worked ?

Fortunately, we have an Urban Community that has volunteered to ignore all prudent actions, and act as a Control.

WATCH THEM CLOSELY

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/22/paris-no-go-zone-police-overwhelmed-attempting-to-enforce-quarantine/?fbclid=IwAR3DJvkcbnRlz8skYNMkUtlF3ohsuUSLNnSrfonMTeRw9t0e-gYDxV3xzr8 (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/22/paris-no-go-zone-police-overwhelmed-attempting-to-enforce-quarantine/?fbclid=IwAR3DJvkcbnRlz8skYNMkUtlF3ohsuUSLNnSrfonMTeRw9t0e-gYDxV3xzr8)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 25, 2020, 05:07:26 AM
I'm voting with rotwang and solar on this one....
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: supsalemgr on March 25, 2020, 05:23:14 AM
More like. "Never let a good crisis go to waste".

And Trump seized the opportunity!  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 25, 2020, 06:30:23 AM
And Trump seized the opportunity!  :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

In retrospect, he literally threw water on the Dims fire before they could get started. That's why his poll numbers are at their highest approval point to date.
The man is a damn genius!!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 25, 2020, 06:42:31 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

In retrospect, he literally threw water on the Dims fire before they could get started. That's why his poll numbers are at their highest approval point to date.
The man is a damn genius!!! :thumbsup:
As they say, sit tight you ain't seen nothing yet. Biden is busy having debates with himself and losing, bernie is repeating a message no one is listening to anymore, pelosi has been exposed as the drunken hag she is, (no wonder she tried to pass all that crap, its their last chance). Trump will not have the same road blocks for the next four years.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on March 25, 2020, 06:47:37 AM
As they say, sit tight you ain't seen nothing yet. Biden is busy having debates with himself and losing, bernie is repeating a message no one is listening to anymore, pelosi has been exposed as the drunken hag she is, (no wonder she tried to pass all that crap, its their last chance). Trump will not have the same road blocks for the next four years.

Trump will always have RINO's, Dem's and the MSM using road blocks.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on March 25, 2020, 06:54:53 AM
Trump will always have RINO's, Dem's and the MSM using road blocks.
True, but I am hoping the next four years will not have coups, impeachments, ect. :thumbup:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 25, 2020, 06:55:58 AM
This is all that was said, we'll have to wait for the details.

British 21-year-old with no pre-existing conditions dies from coronavirus - Sun
1 MIN READ

LONDON (Reuters) - A British 21-year-old woman with no pre-existing conditions has died from coronavirus, The Sun newspaper reported.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-victim/british-21-year-old-with-no-pre-existing-conditions-dies-from-coronavirus-sun-idUSKBN21C1XZ
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: petep on March 25, 2020, 09:33:49 AM
This is all that was said, we'll have to wait for the details.

British 21-year-old with no pre-existing conditions dies from coronavirus - Sun
1 MIN READ

LONDON (Reuters) - A British 21-year-old woman with no pre-existing conditions has died from coronavirus, The Sun newspaper reported.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-victim/british-21-year-old-with-no-pre-existing-conditions-dies-from-coronavirus-sun-idUSKBN21C1XZ

I'm never sure how to react to these type stories...

I know three people, under 30, who died last year with no underlying root causes...other than ME's saying there must have been some underlying, undetected problem...the guesses were one heart, two vascular...but no conclusion...just a human body that is expected to run non-stop for 80 years, just decided one day it needed a break, or one  of a million plus complex systems broke...these were people with no sicknesses etc...literally simply dropped dead in the middle of their day...

the death by age group graphs should be examined in triaging this as something to be solved/addressed, moreso than the one off story of a person who died...

otherwise none of us would ever step outside our house for fear of getting in a car accident, and no parent would give their child a bath...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 25, 2020, 10:46:02 AM
More Than 700 People Died Overnight In Spain From Coronavirus

A total of 738 people in Spain died from coronavirus-related illnesses in the past 24 hours, the largest increase in fatalities since the disease entered the country.

The number of COVID-19 deaths in Spain soared from 2,696 to 3,434 on Tuesday, according to the country’s health ministry. In total, Spain has registered 47,610 people who have tested positive for the virus — up from just 36,673 earlier on Tuesday.

Spain — which has a population of roughly 46 million — touts the second highest tally of coronavirus-related deaths in the world. Italy, which is reporting a death toll of 6,820, has experienced the most deaths so far.

China has registered slightly over 3,280 deaths since Wednesday morning, the third highest in the world, but the Chinese Communist Party has also faced accusations that it is not accurately reporting its total number of deaths or positive cases.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/25/spain-coronavirus-700-deaths/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: murph1953 on March 25, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
March 25, 2020, today

CytoSorb® Used to Treat More than 70 Critically-Ill COVID-19 Patients and Specifically Added to Coronavirus Treatment Guidelines in Italy and Panama

"The initial positive results seen with the use of CytoSorb are very encouraging, particularly reversal of shock, improved lung function, and weaning from mechanical ventilation..

".. reduce the length of stay in the ICU (freeing up critically needed beds)

"..within the past week, we have received many unsolicited requests for emergency use from hospitals all over the country and are in discussions with the FDA on how to streamline this process, enable access of the CytoSorb technology to as many U.S. hospitals in the least burdensome way possible..

"..we continue to update BARDA and the U.S. Joint COVID-19 Task Force with our progress.

"our manufacturing facility is currently running 24 hours a day, seven days a week...we are not affected by the current New Jersey lock-down restrictions.

"CytoSorb is approved in the European Union and distributed in 58 countries around the world. 

https://mma.prnewswire.com/media/1096384/CytoSorbents_Working_To_Save_Lives_Logo.html
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 25, 2020, 12:06:20 PM
March 25, 2020, today

CytoSorb® Used to Treat More than 70 Critically-Ill COVID-19 Patients and Specifically Added to Coronavirus Treatment Guidelines in Italy and Panama

"The initial positive results seen with the use of CytoSorb are very encouraging, particularly reversal of shock, improved lung function, and weaning from mechanical ventilation..

".. reduce the length of stay in the ICU (freeing up critically needed beds)

"..within the past week, we have received many unsolicited requests for emergency use from hospitals all over the country and are in discussions with the FDA on how to streamline this process, enable access of the CytoSorb technology to as many U.S. hospitals in the least burdensome way possible..

"..we continue to update BARDA and the U.S. Joint COVID-19 Task Force with our progress.

"our manufacturing facility is currently running 24 hours a day, seven days a week...we are not affected by the current New Jersey lock-down restrictions.

"CytoSorb is approved in the European Union and distributed in 58 countries around the world. 

https://mma.prnewswire.com/media/1096384/CytoSorbents_Working_To_Save_Lives_Logo.html
We get it, you have an vested interest in the product, and though it may be helpful in many ways, it is in no way a cure, at best, it buys the patient time.
If it was as wonderful as is being touted in your link, why did so many die in Italy and Spain, both sharing HQ for the corporation?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on March 25, 2020, 02:08:26 PM
Part 3 - I think....  really liking his explanations.  Toy

Dr. Brent Reifsteck

The biggest reason I agree to talk to these folks whenever I am invited is the same reason I started posting in the first place:
Panic comes from fear.
Fear comes from lack of information or wrong information.
We are being fed too much wrong information from too many folks.  I do not want any of you to feel fearful, and I don’t want you to panic.  We fight fear with information.
We fight Trixie with hand sanitizer.
We don’t fight Coco.  She just thinks we are playing with her, and then she bites us. 
Alright, Today’s numbers:
World total: 415,876 (up 43,313)
World deaths: 18,574 (rate = 4.47%)
USA total: 53,368 (up 11,304)
USA deaths: 698 (rate = 1.31%)
IL total: 1,535 (up 250)
IL deaths: 16 (rate = 1%)
You’ve done a good job hanging in there, class.  I don’t know if you have noticed, but I’m long-winded. 
(I just heard a GASP and a sarcastic “You Don’t SAAAYY!!!” with an eye roll.  You get detention)
Anyway, we have talked a LOT about this Coronavirus.
We talked about how it’s a single-stranded RNA virus with a protein envelope with spikes sticking out (making it look like a crown or “corona”)
We talked about how it invades our cells, replicates, and causes infection.
We talked about how the immune system fights it off, and how much more difficult that is when a large, sudden genetic change happens (Genetic Shift) instead of a slow change over time (Genetic Drift).
We talked about how this large change can happen when a virus we KNOW infects another species of animal (like a pig, bat, or pangolin) then moves back into a human. This makes the virus look, to our bodies, like an entirely new (or “novel”) virus.
We talked about testing & treatment yesterday.
So, what happens next?
Well, a pretty large statistical paper was published about a week ago telling us just who was at highest risk.
Based on the 53,000 patients in the 30 studies that were included in the statistics, here are some details:
Mean age was 49.8 years & 55.5% of the patients were male.
20.2% of folks developed Severe disease (which means that 79.8% of patients were diagnosed, and only had mild to moderate symptoms).
Mortality rate in this analysis was 3.1% which means that in the population of 53,000 patients with Coronavirus in the 30 studies that they combined into this analysis, only 3.1% of them died.  Flip that to survivors:  96.9% survived.
I share this to give you hope.  We will get through this.
Who is most likely to develop severe disease?
If you are MALE, you are 1.35 times more likely to develop severe disease.
If you are 50 or older, you are 2.61 times more likely to develop severe disease.
If you are 60 or older, you are 9.45 times more likely to develop severe disease.
If you are a SMOKER, you are 1.7 times more likely to develop severe disease.
If you have Chronic Kidney Disease, you are 6 times more likely to develop severe disease.
If you have COPD, you are 5.3 times more likely to develop severe disease.
If you have High Blood Pressure, you are 4.5 times more likely to develop severe disease.
If you have cardiovascular disease, you are 6.75 times more likely to develop severe disease.
If you have DIABETES, you are 4.4 times more likely to develop severe disease.
Do any of the above categories apply to you? 
Even though we know that most folks don’t progress, and we know that most recover, please do not be a statistic.
Physical distancing “flattens the curve” with the goal of avoiding overwhelming medical resources.
It also protects you individually.
If the above does NOT apply to you… I bet you know and maybe even LOVE someone that fits in one or more categories putting them at higher risk.  You adhere to physical distancing for THEM, and for all of us.
You notice that I am using the term “physical distancing” instead of “social distancing.” I thank Marcie Crowley for pointing out that my friends in the Psychology / Psychiatry fields are very concerned for our mental and emotional well-being during this time, and I totally agree!  Some folks, when they think of distancing socially, they cut themselves off totally, and become isolated.  This illustrates two points:
1. We have to stay connected.  You DESERVE to stay connected!  Connections enhance us.  We have so many more ways to stay connected in our modern world, so use them!
2. This time is different than most anything we have experienced in our lives, and has the potential to be scary.  How much more scary is it if you also feel alone?
So, distance physically to stay safe.  Connect socially to stay well.
Two final questions:  When will this end? & Can I catch it again?
Well, the endpoint of this stage is really hard to see from here.  It will depend on numbers here and numbers elsewhere as well as the severity of disease being experienced by patients everywhere.  Epidemiologists will help us use the numbers we are seeing and interpret them properly to make good decisions.  I could predict right now, and I would likely be wrong.  So, it’s better to wait and see, which is not a super satisfying answer, and I understand that.
Patience my friends… every day gets us a little closer, as long as we are all doing our parts.
As far as catching it again, this is also a “we aren’t sure yet” answer.  Like we discussed before, usually our immune system develops antibodies to protect us from ever getting an infection again.  However, if that infection mutates into something the looks different, you may not be immune any longer.  The good news is that even if the organism mutates, we still have SOME protection, and the next one isn’t as bad. So, we hope for “never again” but might have to settle for “not as bad this time around”. 
That’s enough for today friends.  I leave you with the attached picture and a big “thank you” to Christi Horein Kearns and the Elle Project for her generosity and general awesomeness.  She made this mask for me, and plenty of other masks for others.  You are a selfless and generous person, and I appreciate you!
I appreciate ALL of you friends!  See you tomorrow!

(https://scontent.fden3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/91060224_10112599992306230_4370356268536168448_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=YP1NOBilPxUAX8pz4d0&_nc_ht=scontent.fden3-1.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=82b7f08c65df1fcd34c60faf92955f4e&oe=5EA0D60B)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 26, 2020, 12:41:22 PM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 26, 2020, 01:02:51 PM
Chicken Little Admits He was Wrong...

Neil Ferguson, Doctor Behind Coronavirus Doomsday Imperial College Study, Revises Predictions

The doctor behind a U.K. college study that painted a doomsday scenario over the coronavirus pandemic now says he holds a more optimistic view about the spread in the U.K.

Renowned epidemiologist Neil Ferguson of the Imperial College suggested in his model last week the U.S. and the U.K. would have to continue to shut down for 18 months to avoid catastrophic death, but testified in front of the U.K’s Parliamentary select committee on science and technology earlier this week that he expects the country to be able to flatten the curve within 2-3 weeks. The Imperial College predicted that over 500,000 people could die in the U.K., and over two million could die in the U.S., but Ferguson said he now expects the death toll in Britain to be under 20,000, according to NewScientist.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/26/neil-ferguson-coronavirus-imperial-college-doomsday/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 26, 2020, 01:11:38 PM
It ain't over yet...
But then again, with an 80% failure rate on test kits? :rolleyes:

Wuhan Doctors: Up to 10% of ‘Recovered’ Chinese Coronavirus Patients Testing Positive

Up to ten percent of patients who were told they had recovered from the Chinese coronavirus tested positive again after being discharged from hospital, doctors in Wuhan, the origin city of the pandemic, revealed this week.

Researchers around the world are currently scrambling to establish if, once an individual has recovered from the coronavirus, they can still infect others with the disease and if they have developed antibodies that make them immune from further symptoms.

Doctors from the Tongji hospital in Wuhan, where the outbreak began, told the state propaganda network CCTV that despite some patients testing positive again having made a full recovery, there is so far no evidence that they remain infectious.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/26/wuhan-doctors-up-to-10-of-recovered-chinese-coronavirus-patients-testing-positive/ via @BreitbartNews
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 26, 2020, 07:56:01 PM
One of the good guys.

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Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 27, 2020, 06:10:20 AM
British Prime Minister Johnson tests positive for virus


LONDON (AP) — British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has tested positive for the new coronavirus, the first leader of a major nation to contract COVID-19, but he insisted Friday that he remains in charge of the U.K.’s response to the outbreak.

Johnson, 55, said he was tested Thursday on the advice of the chief medical officer after showing “mild symptoms, of a temperature and a persistent cough.

“I’ve taken a test, that’s come out positive so I am working from home, I am self-isolating, and that’s entirely the right thing to do,” he said in a video message posted on his Twitter account.

“But be in no doubt that I can continue, thanks to the wizardry of modern technology, to communicate with all my top team to lead the national fightback against coronavirus.”

https://apnews.com/f5ab118e48bafb8f8919e332e0ac0114
Title: The Spread Of COVID-19
Post by: Bronx on March 27, 2020, 06:10:28 AM
After watching this short video (1.15) ask yourself what's more troubling.....the virus itself or the amount of info your phone gives off............... :scared:





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Title: Re: The Spread Of COVID-19
Post by: Solar on March 27, 2020, 06:35:59 AM
You wanna post this in the covid thread?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 27, 2020, 08:17:29 AM
‘New York Times’ Lies about Facts about Trump and Ventilators

The New York Times has been caught lying about what the Society of Critical Care Medicine has said about the number of ventilators available during this coronavirus scare.

On Wednesday, New York Times correspondent Trip Gabriel tweeted out the paper’s fake news. Gabriel wrote, “There are at most 200k ventilators in the US. One million are expected to be needed. Experts say the Trump administration approach – let states fend for themselves in the market rather than a central authority step in – will doom people to die.”

The tweet referred to the paper’s story that day entitled, “Amid Desperate Need for Ventilators, Calls Grow for Federal Intervention.”

But as former Times reporter Alex Berenson noted, the Times simply lied about what the SCCM said.

Berenson jumped to Twitter with a trenchant thread to show how the paper outright lied.


Alex Berenson

@AlexBerenson
 · Mar 25, 2020
1/ "There are at most 200K ventilators in the US. One million are expected to be needed." This horrifying news comes from my old employer @nytimes; it's sourced to the Society of Critical Care Medicine.

Only the SCCM didn't say that. At all. Let's see what it did say...

Trip Gabriel
@tripgabriel
There are at most 200k ventilators in the US.  One million are expected to be needed. Experts say the Trump administration approach - let states fend for themselves in the market rather than a central authority step in - will doom people to die.   https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/health/ventilators-coronavirus.html?referringSource=articleShare …

nytimes.com/2020/03/25/health/ventilators-coronavirus.html?referringSource=articleShare …


Alex Berenson

@AlexBerenson
2/ The number comes from a March 19 SCCM paper:

"[One estimate is that 1/2 of] ICU admissions (960,000) would require ventilatory support. Such projections are gross estimates."

More importantly: this is everyone who may need ventilation OVER THE COURSE OF THE EPIDEMIC...

470
9:29 PM - Mar 25, 2020


Alex Berenson

@AlexBerenson
 · Mar 25, 2020
Replying to @AlexBerenson
3/ In fact, the paper states explicitly "that U.S. hospitals could absorb a maximum of 26,000 to 56,000 additional ventilators at the peak of a national pandemic, as safe use of ventilators requires trained personnel."


Alex Berenson

@AlexBerenson
4/ In other words, whatever happens with COVID, if we built a million new ventilators, 950,000 would be furniture.

Added bonus: the paper reports the US already has far more critical care beds per-capita than other nations: 35 per 100,000, compared to 12 in Italy, 7 in the UK...

more... https://thewashingtonsentinel.com/new-york-times-lies-about-facts-about-trump-and-ventilators/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 27, 2020, 08:32:58 AM
Kathy Griffin Blames Trump From Hospital Bed But Her Photo Has Some Questioning Her Story

Kathy Griffin blames Donald Trump for her not being tested for coronavirus. But the picture the actress tweeted of herself have some questioning her story.

Hollywood D-list actress Kathy Griffin is in the hospital for what she believes may be coronavirus. She’s mad as hell about it and there are two people she wants to blame: Donald Trump and Mike Pence.

Kathy Griffin’s Attacks On President Trump
59-year-old Griffin has a history of attacking President Trump. It wasn’t that long ago that her career was left in crumbles after she publicly posted a mock beheading of our Commander-in-Chief.

Even people on the far left felt she had gone out of bounds. Griffin lost many gigs, and her career still hasn’t recovered even after she apologized for the 2017 publicity stunt gone horribly wrong. Still, her attacks continue and this latest one leaves more questions than answers about her story.

President Trump tweeted how the United States has tested more people for coronavirus than South Korea did over the course of eight weeks. Almost a half a million Americans have been tested for coronavirus so far.

Well, Trump’s tweet set Griffin off. The actress claimed she was in the hospital with “unbearably painful symptoms” but could not be tested.

“He’s lying,” Griffin tweeted. “I was sent to the #COVID19 isolation ward room in a major hospital ER from a separate urgent care facility after showing UNBEARABLY PAINFUL symptoms. The hospital couldn’t test me for #coronavirus because of CDC (Pence task force) restrictions. #TESTTESTTEST”

Stat Check
However, some people are challenging that accusation given the data and the picture that Griffin herself shared.

According to the COVID Tracking Project, 418,810 people had been tested in the US as of yesterday. Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported they had tested  357,896 as of Wednesday.

So the US had administered more tests of March 25th, but it also has a larger population than South Korea. The official numbers don’t lie.

There are still reports of people not being tested because tests aren’t yet available in mass quantities.

Since 80% of those infected are able to recover from home, tests are being rationed to people who are high risk. This also helps relieve soon-to-be overburdened hospitals from having to test the masses.

Do You See It?


Griffin’s picture shows that she is wearing a mask and is not receiving oxygen. Hospitals are testing people they feel need a test due to their high risk status or having extreme symptoms.

Would “unbearably painful symptoms” from coronavirus cause Kathy Griffin to need oxygen? If so, there’s a problem with her photo, as Alicia points out in her tweet below.
https://www.themix.net/2020/03/kathy-griffin-coronavirus/?utm_source=whatfinger

She's obviously just a Trump derange media whore...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 27, 2020, 09:51:13 AM
Criticism of Chinese influence on the World Health Organization (WHO) fuels demands for the director general to resign.

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 27, 2020, 05:20:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KPbJ0-DxTc&fbclid=IwAR1Rysuy9QfQPHSOs5Fk73Y5ooL5f6AZm3vJuMNDzwPHzfM6ZuVN2ZJFrDo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KPbJ0-DxTc&fbclid=IwAR1Rysuy9QfQPHSOs5Fk73Y5ooL5f6AZm3vJuMNDzwPHzfM6ZuVN2ZJFrDo)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 28, 2020, 09:40:01 AM
Need more proof that WHO is just another arm of the CCP? Well, watch this. The guy refuses to recognize that Taiwan is a free and independent state, then when asked if he heard her, he said, no, I didn't hear the question, so she say's I'll repeat and he say's that's OK, let's move on. Yeah, he heard it the first time...

Point is, WHO is in bed with Commie Chinese Party and are doing their bidding, that's why WHO screwed the world over the virus they claimed was under control, hen they knew it was already out of control.
Keep in mind, WHO is an arm of the UN, the same group trying to kill Western capitalism via global warming lies.


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Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 28, 2020, 01:45:22 PM
his is the California age range for coronavirus patients:

Age 0-17: 45 cases
Age 18-49: 1,906 cases
Age 50-64: 967 cases
Age 65 and older: 847 cases
Unknown: 36 cases

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/25-year-old-california-man-no-underlying-conditions-dies-covid-19
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 28, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
Need more proof that WHO is just another arm of the CCP? Well, watch this. The guy refuses to recognize that Taiwan is a free and independent state, then when asked if he heard her, he said, no, I didn't hear the question, so she say's I'll repeat and he say's that's OK, let's move on. Yeah, he heard it the first time...

Point is, WHO is in bed with Commie Chinese Party and are doing their bidding, that's why WHO screwed the world over the virus they claimed was under control, hen they knew it was already out of control.
Keep in mind, WHO is an arm of the UN, the same group trying to kill Western capitalism via global warming lies.


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China must be held accountable by the entire world.

(https://i.imgur.com/WiDYvkG.jpg)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 28, 2020, 03:21:30 PM
Nice.....

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 29, 2020, 05:29:12 AM
WHO gets their marching orders from the UN, I know that for a fact working around both in E. Timor There are some good people in WHO but the idiots running the circus are political hacks.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 29, 2020, 05:37:14 AM
China Lied, People Died...


China’s own public numbers on coronavirus deaths and infections have long been treated with suspicion. Wuhan, where the virus first broke out, reported 2,500 deaths, but over the course of two days during the crisis, just one of the city’s eight mortuaries received shipments of 5,000 urns to carry ashes of the deceased, according to Shanghaiist.

The mortuary plans to release urns at a rate of 500 per day until April 4. If the city’s seven other mortuaries are adopting the same policy, that would total 40,000 urns, starting with the first confirmed delivery on March 26.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/28/china-coronavirus-aid-defective/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on March 29, 2020, 06:30:23 AM
So, it turns out that Italy had more than 100,000 guest workers from China (Coolie Laborers?) in factories in Italy making Italian designer clothes with almost daily flights to Wuhan.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 29, 2020, 07:08:23 AM
So, it turns out that Italy had more than 100,000 guest workers from China (Coolie Laborers?) in factories in Italy making Italian designer clothes with almost daily flights to Wuhan.
But they weren't made in China. There is sooo much wrong in soooo many ways here....

This is no different in the La garment district in SoCal, where slave labor and human trafficking is an everyday common day occurrence.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on March 29, 2020, 07:10:07 AM
Video of the throngs of people being tested in the "war zone" of NYC...

https://www.facebook.com/ToddStarnesFNC/videos/2465228077063594
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Billy's bayonet on March 29, 2020, 09:05:12 AM
Once again I cite demographics.... WHO is contracting this disease I want to know? NYC has a HUGE Chinese population many smuggled into the US illegally, lets face it, they are slave labor, sometimes kept under guard by the criminal gangs i "chinatown" that "own" them (Triads or tongs), they aren't going to let these people out of their sight and if they die they are going in a garbage disposal or a meat grider somewhere for the all you can eat buffet.

Notice the lying media doesn't say a thing about who is getting treated or who is dying and they wont, they are keeping that a secret
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 29, 2020, 11:49:37 AM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 29, 2020, 05:46:01 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
CNN Has the Audacity to call OANN a propagandist “fringe outlet.”

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 30, 2020, 08:15:27 AM
Proof the CCP knew the virus never started in the wet market?

Chinese Markets Reopen — And They Still Sell Bats, Dogs And Cats

Live animals are still for sale in Chinese food markets that reopened after the country recently declared victory over coronavirus.

Cages full of cats and dogs waiting for slaughter and the unsanitary preparation of animals is again reportedly a common sight in Chinese food markets, often called wet-markets, according to in-country correspondents with the Daily Mail.

China ordered that its wet-markets be shut down in January, after facts emerged suggesting that coronavirus was first transmitted to humans via bats and other live animals sold in the often filthy places of commerce, according to Business Insider. However, now that China says it’s beaten the virus, the markets seem to have resumed business as usual.

“The markets have gone back to operating in exactly the same way as they did before coronavirus,” said a Daily Mail correspondent who observed the markets re-opening Dongguan. “The only difference is that security guards try to stop anyone taking pictures which would never have happened before.”

Another correspondent in Guilin, a city in southwest China, photographed a sign advertising bats, snakes, spiders, lizards and scorpions for sale as remedies for common illnesses. (RELATED: Scientists Warned That Bats And Chinese Wet Markets Could Foster The Next Pandemic — In 2013)

Images have also begun to circulate on social media of traditional Chinese foods considered odd by Western standards for sale in the newly reopened wet markets. CNBC host Jim Cramer tweeted out a video of live scorpions for sale.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/29/chinese-markets-reopen-bats-dogs-cats/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Rotwang on March 30, 2020, 08:18:20 PM
Who has seen this ?

(https://i.imgur.com/CcjotQT.jpg)

Pretty scary, huh ?

So where did it originate ?

CDC ?

Nope.

Can someone spread the virus without being sick?
People are thought to be most contagious when they are most symptomatic (the sickest).
Some spread might be possible before people show symptoms; there have been reports of this occurring with this new coronavirus, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.


All from the CDC (not Karen)

https://www.cdc.gov/.../prevent.../how-covid-spreads.html (http://'https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html?fbclid=IwAR19_svvDm-CUyxrDRaJiKOhQC0q6_HXGsH4LBH4CucRs0CxAjc1ukXeC4w')

So, mebe the WHO ?

Coronavirus (http://'https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019?fbclid=IwAR0qmLbNyS5dw2OJosv99Ej4PAgnj3j8fugIUK8Sf3NUdV9WEgJ2HJq5XB8')

Nope.

So where does "Karen" live ?

Turns out "Karen" is a JOKE, created as such, published on a Web Site dedicated to Cartoons:

[PLAIN]CORONAVIRUS EXPLAINED Karen got infected yesterday, but she won't know until 14 days later. Karen thinks she's healthy and is infecting 10 persons per day. These 10 persons think they are ok, they travel, go out and infect 100 persons. These 100 persons think they are healthy and keep infecting 1000 persons. No one knows who is ok or who can infect Do you understand why is important to stay at home? Be responsible. Stay in quarantine. - iFunny :)[/PLAIN] (http://'https://ifunny.co/picture/coronavirus-explained-karen-got-infected-yesterday-but-she-won-t-8b87NkdW7?gallery=tag&query=got&fbclid=IwAR0sa26VsSXI8a9hDud6230O48jlY5YiROiE7kzCcj8NThhfjVWWszKIkoY')
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 31, 2020, 06:41:05 AM
Dutch Doctors Ask Eldery to Choose: Ventilation or Let Virus ‘Run Its Course’

Dutch doctors are asking their older patients to choose between either long-term ventilation or letting nature take its course if they become infected with the Chinese coronavirus.

Family doctors in the Netherlands are asking all citizens who have passed a certain age to put in writing whether they’d like to be put on a ventilator or not if they become infected, according to a report by Il Giornale — which characterised the latter option as a form of “euthanasia”.

The reason for the calls is that Dutch hospitals are beginning to experience crowding, with the Netherlands having garnered 10,866 confirmed cases and 771 deaths as of Sunday.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/30/dutch-doctors-ask-eldery-to-choose-ventilation-or-let-virus-run-its-course/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 31, 2020, 07:52:44 AM
My take away here is, the media wants to hurt Trump, and the other part, is NY is milking it for our Tax Dollars.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqDGJLbsWWA&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 31, 2020, 08:58:34 AM
Fredo Tests Positive COVID
He is the one in the same, Right? :laugh:

CNN Anchor Chris Cuomo announces that he has tested positive for coronavirus.

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on March 31, 2020, 02:04:06 PM
(https://scontent.fiad1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/91347096_10217322491596186_1269384241532108800_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=c4CmvksfILQAX8HJAYT&_nc_ht=scontent.fiad1-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=186105fb454ca142bb0e156d553bd568&oe=5EA7A810)
(https://scontent.fiad1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/91612326_10217322490996171_5085834379087839232_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=9kPa0BDypvUAX-VrrkA&_nc_ht=scontent.fiad1-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=6eb2e3c1de5948ca97744cfad3cb8f68&oe=5EA85E9A)

Went to Costco this morning for the early hour for seniors.  The line went from the front doubled back on itself, down the side to the back which was doubled back on itself.  I got there 10 minutes before opening (8:00 am) and it was already all they way around the back. It took 45 minutes to get inside to shop.  When I left the line was still wrapped around to the back of the store.  Toy

Just shows old people get up early.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on March 31, 2020, 03:22:59 PM
(https://scontent.fiad1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/91347096_10217322491596186_1269384241532108800_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=c4CmvksfILQAX8HJAYT&_nc_ht=scontent.fiad1-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=186105fb454ca142bb0e156d553bd568&oe=5EA7A810)
(https://scontent.fiad1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s600x600/91612326_10217322490996171_5085834379087839232_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=9kPa0BDypvUAX-VrrkA&_nc_ht=scontent.fiad1-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=6eb2e3c1de5948ca97744cfad3cb8f68&oe=5EA85E9A)

Went to Costco this morning for the early hour for seniors.  The line went from the front doubled back on itself, down the side to the back which was doubled back on itself.  I got there 10 minutes before opening (8:00 am) and it was already all they way around the back. It took 45 minutes to get inside to shop.  When I left the line was still wrapped around to the back of the store.  Toy

Just shows old people get up early.


Wow!!! you have a seniors hour.    Our Costco open at 10: A.M. and it a free for all.  Store that open at 7:A.M. that had 5 or 6 people in at that time now have 25 to 50 people going in at that time.  Most of them are looking for the same thing, and they keep telling them only one you can ONLY HAVE ONE.   :lol:

I did run into my pharmacist that told me how to make my own hand sanitizer and also save money.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on March 31, 2020, 03:40:42 PM
It's  start! :rolleyes:

Chinese Government Finally Acknowledges Underreporting Coronavirus Cases

A top Chinese health official said Wednesday that the government will begin counting coronavirus patients without symptoms in its official tally of cases of the virus, in what is a tacit acknowledgement that Beijing has underreported data on the pandemic.

China’s National Health Commission disclosed that the government is monitoring 1,541 people who have tested positive for coronavirus but have no symptoms.

Chang Jile, the head of the health agency, said at a press conference in Wuhan that the government will start reporting asymptomatic patient numbers Wednesday.

“From April 1, we will publish reports, outcomes and management of asymptomatic people in daily epidemic notifications, and respond to social concerns in a timely manner,” Jile said, according to CCTV.

Jile’s statement is the first time that the government has officially acknowledged that it has undercounted patients.

China’s official tally has hovered just above 80,000 cases for several weeks, while countries around the globe have seen their case numbers explode. The United States had reported more than 160,000 positive cases as of Tuesday.


https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/31/chinese-government-underreporting-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Rotwang on March 31, 2020, 07:11:24 PM

Wow!!! you have a seniors hour.    Our Costco open at 10: A.M. and it a free for all.  Store that open at 7:A.M. that had 5 or 6 people in at that time now have 25 to 50 people going in at that time.  Most of them are looking for the same thing, and they keep telling them only one you can ONLY HAVE ONE.   :lol:

I did run into my pharmacist that told me how to make my own hand sanitizer and also save money.   :thumbsup:

My guess is the line would be far shorter about noontime.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on March 31, 2020, 07:57:18 PM
My guess is the line would be far shorter about noontime.


LOL no it not.  This Costco takes care of about 5 cities around it nothing to drive 75 miles just to go shopping in the area I live. 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 01, 2020, 07:17:22 AM
What have we been saying all along?
Be sure and click the link and watch the video...


Tucker Carlson Airs Report Claiming Coronavirus ‘Probably Originated From A Laboratory In Wuhan’

Tucker Carlson aired a report Tuesday claiming that the novel coronavirus most likely originated in a Wuhan laboratory.

Despite previous reports that coronavirus had been traced to bats, most likely the kind that could be found in wet markets like the one in Wuhan, a new report from Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao of the South China University of Technology suggests that there’s a more likely scenario — a leak from a lab.

WATCH:

https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/31/coronavirus-lab-wuhan-tucker-carlson-report/


“You might think that the World Health Organization, a group that got 58 million of your tax dollars last year, might care that a government arrests doctors and lies about deadly new diseases,” Carlson began. “But no. Like so many organizations they are lapdogs for the powerful, and that means their real job is sucking up to the Chinese government.” (RELATED: ‘He Drove To Mar-a-Lago’: Meghan McCain Praises Tucker Carlson For Getting Trump To ‘Believe In This Virus’)

Carlson went on to cite the report — which he conceded that he couldn’t independently confirm or endorse — noting that the information was at least worthy of consideration.

The report detailed the tracing of COVID-19 to the intermediate horseshoe bat — a bat that they confirmed was not available at the Wuhan wet market and did not live locally. In fact, the report noted that native populations were no closer than 600 miles away from the first known cases, making a natural transmission from bat to human appear more unlikely.

The only place those particular bats existed locally was inside a research facility — which was just several hundred yards from the Wuhan wet market — and the paper’s ultimate conclusion was that the coronavirus pandemic had likely been the result of a leak from the lab: “The killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan.”

Carlson went on to attack American media outlets for failing to cover the story, in spite of the fact that the report had been publicly available for nearly two months.

“A post on the National Institutes of Health website, written by NIH Director Francis Collins himself, dismisses any such speculation as ‘outrageous.’ Keep in mind, NIH is supposed to be keeping you safe from diseases like this one not running interference for hostile foreign governments. This is how they are spending their time as Americans die in the middle of a global pandemic. And still, no one address the substance of the claims,” Carlson concluded.


Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 01, 2020, 07:23:13 AM
Here's the document Tucker refers to...

https://web.archive.org/web/20200214144447/https:/www.researchgate.net/publication/339070128_The_possible_origins_of_2019-nCoV_coronavirus

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 01, 2020, 12:11:28 PM
Chinese county goes into coronavirus lockdown as country tries to get back to work amid fear of second wave
Authorities order residents of Jia county to stay home after reports of cases linked to the area’s hospital
All but a few essential businesses and services shut temporarily, according to government notice

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3078010/chinese-county-goes-coronavirus-lockdown-country-tries-get-back
Title: Is China to blame for Covid-19?
Post by: killermccoy on April 01, 2020, 02:57:56 PM
What say you.
Title: Re: Is China to blame for Covid-19?
Post by: Solar on April 01, 2020, 05:30:59 PM
What say you.
Of course it is, but you knew that. :wink:
Title: Re: Is China to blame for Covid-19?
Post by: walkstall on April 01, 2020, 05:36:41 PM
What say you.

LOL  Yes, but remember someone sold (gave) them the shit to play with. 
Title: Re: Is China to blame for Covid-19?
Post by: Archie on April 01, 2020, 07:22:52 PM
LOL  Yes, but remember someone sold (gave) them the shit to play with.


China had two laboratories in the town that the virus started. It started in one of those labs and china knew about it, and did not stop people from coming and leaving their country, and that is how it got all over the world. It was not from bat soup. It was not from Trump.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: The D-Man on April 01, 2020, 07:41:08 PM
In Laredo, Texas (pop. 257,156), not wearing a face mask is now a Class C misdemeanor.

Title: Re: Is China to blame for Covid-19?
Post by: walkstall on April 01, 2020, 07:51:05 PM

China had two laboratories in the town that the virus started. It started in one of those labs and china knew about it, and did not stop people from coming and leaving their country, and that is how it got all over the world. It was not from bat soup. It was not from Trump.


I would say most all that post on this board know that.  Solar and other have been posting on that for over 3+ months. 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on April 01, 2020, 07:58:46 PM
Then Laredo, Texas should be required to have Good PPE not just some form of covering over their nose and mouth that people can get everyday.    Scarf, bandana, or handkerchief just don't cut it. 
Title: Re: Is China to blame for Covid-19?
Post by: Killer Clouds on April 01, 2020, 08:07:06 PM
What say you.

Absolutely not. It's Trump's fault.
Title: Re: Is China to blame for Covid-19?
Post by: Solar on April 01, 2020, 08:18:08 PM

China had two laboratories in the town that the virus started. It started in one of those labs and china knew about it, and did not stop people from coming and leaving their country, and that is how it got all over the world. It was not from bat soup. It was not from Trump.
Hey Archie, check out reply #66

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/wuflu/66/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 01, 2020, 08:26:47 PM
The Latest: Shenzhen bans breeding and eating wild animals

— Shenzhen eyes avoiding future outbreaks with ban on eating wild animals

— Philippine president vows to forcibly ensure order during lockdown

— State Department: planeload of medical supplies from Russia were purchased

— Trump: Canada, England to evacuate passengers from cruise ships near Florida

— Trump: federal stockpile of personal protective equipment nearly depleted.

— UN: global economy could shrink by almost 1 percent.

— Pence: U.S. trajectory akin to hard-hit Italy.

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BEIJING — China’s southern technology powerhouse of Shenzhen has issued the most sweeping ban yet on the breeding and consumption of wild animals in an effort to prevent a future outbreak such as the global coronavirus pandemic.

The virus, first detected in the central Chinese city of Wuhan in December, has been traced to a food market in the city that sold wild animals such as pangolins and civet cats, along as more conventional fare such as chicken and fish.

The consumption of wild animals is considered even more popular in the south where Shenzhen is located. That is where the 2002-2003 global SARS outbreak was believed to have first been spread by people who consumed or worked with wild animals in areas around Shenzhen and who may originally have caught it from wild bats.

Shenzhen’s regulations permanently ban the trade in and consumption of wild animals, a step beyond the temporary ban issued by the central government at the start of the current virus outbreak. Along with snakes, lizards and other wild animals, it also bans the consumption of dog and cat meat that have long been a local specialty, citing humanitarian reasons.

Households pets have not been found to spread the coronavirus.

The ban allows for fines beginning at 150,000 yuan ($21,400) and rising considerably depending on the value of the animals seized. It continues to permit the farming of wild animals for medicinal purposes, which has been criticized as cruel and unsanitary, although consumption of such animals for food is banned.


https://apnews.com/a53b578aafda255495e3f967c2080623
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: midcan5 on April 02, 2020, 05:11:25 AM
Interesting article.  'From Bats to Human Lungs, the Evolution of a Coronavirus'

https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/from-bats-to-human-lungs-the-evolution-of-a-coronavirus

Title: Stupid!!! Over Half Of Spring Breakers Have Tested Positive For Coronavirus
Post by: Solar on April 02, 2020, 11:39:56 AM
Hey Petep, here's exactly what we were talking about earlier. I think we can both agree, kids are stupid!!!


Two weeks ago, around 70 spring breakers from the University of Texas at Austin went against the advice of the White House and chartered a plane to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico to party. Now, 44 of them have tested positive for coronavirus according to a university spokesman.

Perhaps even more alarming is that some of the students took commercial flights home, according to CNN, citing the Austin Public Health Department.

Those who tested positive are now in self-isolation (or at least they're supposed to be).

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/dozens-spring-breakers-have-tested-positive-coronavirus
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on April 02, 2020, 01:21:23 PM
My guess is the line would be far shorter about noontime.

The employee standing out with us said around 2:00 it would be dead in there.... but they would have run out of a lot more items by then too. 

Toy   
Title: Re: Stupid!!! Over Half Of Spring Breakers Have Tested Positive For Coronavirus
Post by: Possum on April 02, 2020, 03:29:34 PM
Hey Petep, here's exactly what we were talking about earlier. I think we can both agree, kids are stupid!!!


Two weeks ago, around 70 spring breakers from the University of Texas at Austin went against the advice of the White House and chartered a plane to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico to party. Now, 44 of them have tested positive for coronavirus according to a university spokesman.

Perhaps even more alarming is that some of the students took commercial flights home, according to CNN, citing the Austin Public Health Department.

Those who tested positive are now in self-isolation (or at least they're supposed to be).

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/dozens-spring-breakers-have-tested-positive-coronavirus
Probably get that from their parnets
Title: Re: Stupid!!! Over Half Of Spring Breakers Have Tested Positive For Coronavirus
Post by: Solar on April 02, 2020, 05:24:59 PM
Probably get that from their parnets
Or defiance against their parents. But yes, it falls back to failed parenting.
Title: OT:"The Beatles"
Post by: American Exceptionalism on April 03, 2020, 04:59:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxOJ7hh3H-I&feature=emb_err_watch_on_yt
Title: Re: OT:"The Beatles"
Post by: Solar on April 03, 2020, 05:21:36 AM
Folks, let's keep the COVID stuff to a minimum on the Poli forum, please post in the WUFLU COVID thread.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/wuflu/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 03, 2020, 05:25:27 AM
Some good news about the virus.

Title: Re: OT:"The Beatles"
Post by: American Exceptionalism on April 03, 2020, 05:45:57 AM
Folks, let's keep the COVID stuff to a minimum on the Poli forum, please post in the WUFLU COVID thread.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/wuflu/

I actually forget about that. Go ahead and move it for me. Thanks..sorry too.
Title: Re: OT:"The Beatles"
Post by: Solar on April 03, 2020, 05:51:53 AM
I actually forget about that. Go ahead and move it for me. Thanks..sorry too.
No big. I understand that's all that's in the news, I struggle daily to find articles for our other site.

https://news.conservativehardliner.com/

I track more than 50 news sites daily, from AP and Reuters to Asian news site, EU sites, Russian, etc, they all are cluttered with doom and gloom about the Chinese Virus.

So let me post one to take our minds off this crap. :laugh:

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on April 03, 2020, 02:05:34 PM
Some good news about the virus.


Who would’ve guessed?

And I'd even add that the number of fatalities attributed to COVID-19 are also exaggerated.
Anyone that’s tested positive for COVID-19, recovered,  and then happens to have heart failure, stroke, gets shot or hit by a truck afterwards, died directly as a result of COVID-19.
There’s some solid info out there, but you won’t find it in the “breaking news” headlines in print or visual news outlets.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 03, 2020, 02:13:40 PM
Who would’ve guessed?

And I'd even add that the number of fatalities attributed to COVID-19 are also exaggerated.
Anyone that’s tested positive for COVID-19, recovered,  and then happens to have heart failure, stroke, gets shot or hit by a truck afterwards, died directly as a result of COVID-19.
There’s some solid info out there, but you won’t find it in the “breaking news” headlines in print or visual news outlets.
Yep, need that Fed money, no doubt that's what it's all about...

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on April 04, 2020, 04:16:49 AM
Yep, need that Fed money, no doubt that's what it's all about...


Political Speak:

Complex - term most often associated with the clandestine activities of government/politicians.
Hence, the more “complex” the bill, the greater the corruption.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: wally on April 04, 2020, 06:32:00 AM
Folks be forgetting that amidst the Democrat Impeachment Hoax President Trump was doing his job.  Even Dr. Fauci repeated the Communist Chines/WHO talking points on January 17th that there was no evidence of this virus having any human to human transmission.  As soon as this lie was exposed by brave 'citizen journalists" and doctors in China (who have since disappeared), President Trump shut banned travel from China. The media and the rest of the Democrats along with the Chinese Communist Party called him a Racist.

(https://i.imgur.com/OnXRi2g.jpg)

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 04, 2020, 07:53:16 AM
He Died of Covid. This was his last message, one everyone should heed.

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2020, 04:55:36 AM
Excellent video on the Chinese Virus


Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2020, 06:53:49 AM
Let This Sink In...

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2020, 01:00:25 PM
San Frafreako shuts down...

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-san-francisco-deserted-tourist-attractions-shelter-in-place-2020-3#locals-and-tourists-alike-typically-frequent-the-many-shops-near-the-square-like-uniqlo-hm-and-macys-15
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: taxed on April 05, 2020, 01:03:37 PM
https://www.libertynewsforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=388

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2020, 01:11:27 PM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2020, 01:19:48 PM
Fuck China and The Rat they ate!

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2020, 02:43:38 PM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2020, 02:46:45 PM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 05, 2020, 02:52:14 PM
COVID-19 Patients Accidentally Transferred To USNS Comfort

A number of patients infected with coronavirus were transferred to a Navy hospital ship in New York by mistake. According to officials, the patients accidentally came on board the USNS Comfort on Friday.

There were reportedly “fewer than five” people infected with the virus on the ship. The initial COVID-19 screening did not display they had tested positive.

Two Navy hospitals ships, which were equipped with 1,000 beds each, were provided to take the load off of hospitals by treating non-coronavirus patients during the pandemic. However, the vessels have proven to not be much help at all.

As of Sunday, the USNS Comfort in New York City had only seen 20 patients, while the USNS Mercy docked in Los Angeles only saw 15.

“The need is really for the COVID patients,” said New York Governor Andrew Cuomo. “I know they’re not taking COVID positive patients, but they said that from day one, in fairness.”



https://www.oann.com/covid-19-patients-accidentally-transferred-to-usns-comfort/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on April 05, 2020, 08:28:52 PM
Question...

Damn is there anyone that does not die from Coronavirus now?  The MSM needs to pull their head out of there ass.
Title: Maxine Waters Urges Americans ‘Do Not Listen’ To President Trump ...
Post by: Stu Gatze on April 06, 2020, 04:28:45 AM



Maxine Waters Urges Americans ‘Do Not Listen’ To President Trump On How To Handle COVID-19

(https://res.cloudinary.com/blavity/image/upload/c_fit,g_center,h_250,q_auto:best,g_south_east,x_0/v1585671934/foljbyoh5ictumfxnbip)

By: Adam Morgan
April 6, 2020

An international poll of more than 6,000 doctors released Thursday found that the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine was the most highly rated treatment for the novel coronavirus, reported Washington Times.

The survey conducted by Sermo, a global health care polling company, of 6,227 physicians in 30 countries found that 37% of those treating COVID-19 patients rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” from a list of 15 options.

Last month, the Commander in Chief announced the FDA approval of Hydroxychloroquine for possible treatment of the coronavirus, during a White House Coronavirus Task Force briefing.

“A drug called Chloroquine or Hydroxychloroquine– this is a common malaria drug. It’s also a drug used for strong arthritis … also uses this in somewhat of a different form. But it is known as a malaria drug and it has been around for a long time and it’s very powerful. The nice part is it’s been around for a long time. So, we know if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody,” the president explained.

Hydroxychloroquine, sold under the brand name Plaquenil — and also used to treat arthritis and other ailments — was determined to be effective in killing the virus in laboratory experiments, Forbes reported, citing findings published March 9 in the Clinical Infectious Diseases journal.

On Sunday, Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) urged her followers to not listen to the President when it comes to handling COVID-19.

“Do not listen to 45 when he suggests untested #Hydroxychloroquine to treat #COVID19 – listen to Fauci,” Waters tweeted.

Last month, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said he would prescribe the medication President Trump has touted as a potential treatment for coronavirus patients.


MORE>https://newspushed.com/maxine-waters-urges-americans-do-not-listen-to-president-trump-on-how-to-handle-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 06, 2020, 10:27:11 AM
Remember when the media claimed Two Trump Supporters drank fish tank cleaner? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Bet you never heard this from Marxist Media.

The Arizona woman who said that she and her 68-year-old husband ingested a substance used to clean fish tanks after hearing President Donald Trump tout chloroquine as a cure for the coronavirus has given thousands of dollars to Democratic groups and candidates over the last two years.

The woman's most recent donations, in late February, were to a Democratic PAC, the 314 Action Fund, that bills itself as the "pro-science resistance" and has vocally criticized the Trump administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic and held up her case to slam the White House.

Although local and national media outlets withheld the couple's names, the Washington Free Beacon established their identities through descriptions in local news reports, where the pair were identified by their first names and ages: Gary, 68, and Wanda, 61. The Free Beacon is withholding their identities at Wanda's request.

Federal Election Commission records show that Wanda has donated thousands of dollars to Democratic electoral groups and candidates over the past two years, including Hillary Clinton, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and EMILY's List, a group that aims to elect pro-choice female candidates.

https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/woman-who-ingested-fish-tank-cleaner-was-prolific-donor-to-democratic-causes/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 06, 2020, 10:38:15 AM



Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 06, 2020, 03:03:34 PM
British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was moved to the intensive care unit of a London hospital after his coronavirus symptoms dramatically worsened Monday, just a day after he was admitted for what were said to be routine tests.

Johnson was admitted to St. Thomas’ Hospital late Sunday, 10 days after he was diagnosed with COVID-19, the first major world leader to be confirmed to have the virus.

The 55-year-old Conservative was conscious and did not require ventilation, but he was moved into intensive care in case he needs it later, his office said in a statement.

Britain has no official post of deputy prime minister, but Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has been designated to take over should Johnson become incapacitated.

23a9575396d8b636df2ccb8026f23527
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 06, 2020, 03:21:59 PM
Accident My Ass!


China Floods Facebook with Ads Blaming Trump for Chinese Virus

Chinese state media has been flooding Facebook and Instagram with undisclosed political ads blaming President Donald Trump for the Wuhan coronavirus. Facebook said in a statement that it was an “error” that the ads were not classified as political and is correcting them.

The Telegraph reports that Chinese state media has been posting undisclosed political ads to Facebook and Instagram in an attempt to downplay China’s role in the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic and blaming President Donald Trump. Three Chinese state media outlets, Xinhua, China Central Television, and the Global Times, have targeted ads towards users across the world in English, Chinese, and Arabic.

The ads have reportedly been seen millions of times and extol China’s efforts to fight the coronavirus while downplaying the countries domestic outbreak. The articles portray President Trump as misguided and racist and suggest that the virus may have originated in the United States. “[China] has taken stringent and forceful measures, and turned the tide on coronavirus,” said one ad. Another states: “Trump’s disruption to China has severe consequences.”

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/04/06/china-floods-facebook-with-ads-blaming-trump-for-chinese-virus/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on April 06, 2020, 03:45:02 PM
Quote
Another states: “Trump’s disruption to China has severe consequences.”

I would say this all falls at China door. 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on April 06, 2020, 05:12:26 PM
San Frafreako shuts down...

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-san-francisco-deserted-tourist-attractions-shelter-in-place-2020-3#locals-and-tourists-alike-typically-frequent-the-many-shops-near-the-square-like-uniqlo-hm-and-macys-15

They should put a tall chain link fence around its perimeter and post a large sign -
 Zoo Closed Until Further Notice!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 07, 2020, 09:37:05 AM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 07, 2020, 09:46:36 AM
Rand Paul Recovers from Coronavirus, Volunteering at Hospital

FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) – U.S. Sen. Rand Paul said Tuesday that he has recovered from the coronavirus and has started volunteering at a hospital in his Kentucky hometown.

The Republican lawmaker tested positive for the virus in March, becoming the first case of COVID-19 in the Senate.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/07/rand-paul-recovers-from-coronavirus-volunteering-at-hospital/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on April 07, 2020, 10:11:50 AM
Rand Paul Recovers from Coronavirus, Volunteering at Hospital

FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) – U.S. Sen. Rand Paul said Tuesday that he has recovered from the coronavirus and has started volunteering at a hospital in his Kentucky hometown.

The Republican lawmaker tested positive for the virus in March, becoming the first case of COVID-19 in the Senate.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/07/rand-paul-recovers-from-coronavirus-volunteering-at-hospital/


That's nice but does he think he can not get it again? 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 07, 2020, 03:23:19 PM
Coronavirus Deaths Could Be ‘Much, Much, Much Lower’ Than The White House Task Force’s Projected 100,000 Mark

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield now thinks the total number of coronavirus deaths in the United States could fall well short of the 100,000 low-mark previously predicted by the White House task force.

Redfield, who sits on the White House task force but does not speak at every press briefing, made the comments during a Monday interview with an Arizona radio station.

Redfield’s interview came the same day that researches at the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation, whose data the task force uses as a primary input in making its predictions, lowered its estimates of roughly 94,000 deaths to 82,000. The new data showed a 14 percent decrease in the model’s previous projections and a 30 percent decrease from the worst case scenario.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/07/coronavirus-deaths-could-be-much-lower-white-house-task-forces-projected/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 07, 2020, 04:53:09 PM
They weren't dead during cremation?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=108&v=DU5Vu7XBpzg&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Sauce on April 07, 2020, 09:22:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=eglF0BFkkrQ&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=eglF0BFkkrQ&feature=emb_logo)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 08, 2020, 05:06:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=eglF0BFkkrQ&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=eglF0BFkkrQ&feature=emb_logo)
Man, this is just tooo weird. I have no idea if this is innocent, or a passing of the poison to do Trump in.
I'm certain Trump knows where all the players stand though.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: midcan5 on April 09, 2020, 06:20:54 AM
This pandemic has changed our lives in odd ways.  We now talk at distances. Shopping is an obstacle course - as well as a patience builder for people like I.  Dinner is a drive through and at home where it used to be family more isolated. TV dinner has new meaning. Cathedrals are now hospitals.  Mosques, Synagogue and churches are empty lots. I hate these masks but now wear one - sometimes. Parks are crowded with walkers and beaches are closed to them. Truckers speed along alone and lines form before stores open. TV is a statistician and not a good one. Trump lies - I guess that's not new. Fauci warns and now talking heads all appear from a computer.  I have my computer eye blacked out. We call friends now well some friends.  What do lip readers do.  Death is more alone than ever.  And the end of all this appears vague and unknown. 

A few items of interest.

COVID-19 Response White Papers
https://ethics.harvard.edu/covid-19-response

'What’s the Best Material for a Mask?'
https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-homemade-mask-material-DIY-face-mask-ppe.html

'Coronavirus testing methods: What you need to know'
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-testing-methods-200330142718434.html

'It’s a razor’s edge we’re walking': inside the race to develop a coronavirus vaccine'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/inside-the-race-to-develop-a-coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Sauce on April 09, 2020, 06:26:06 AM
Man, this is just tooo weird. I have no idea if this is innocent, or a passing of the poison to do Trump in.
I'm certain Trump knows where all the players stand though.

And he did it again yesterday.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=eccwjmPxM-s&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=eccwjmPxM-s&feature=emb_logo)

At this point it seems too overt, this is intentional, meant to be seen....baiting for a reaction - to be fired maybe
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on April 09, 2020, 06:30:03 AM
This pandemic has changed our lives in odd ways.  We now talk at distances. Shopping is an obstacle course - as well as a patience builder for people like I.  Dinner is a drive through and at home where it used to be family more isolated. TV dinner has new meaning. Cathedrals are now hospitals.  Mosques, Synagogue and churches are empty lots. I hate these masks but now wear one - sometimes. Parks are crowded with walkers and beaches are closed to them. Truckers speed along alone and lines form before stores open. TV is a statistician and not a good one. Trump lies - I guess that's not new. Fauci warns and now talking heads all appear from a computer.  I have my computer eye blacked out. We call friends now well some friends.  What do lip readers do.  Death is more alone than ever.  And the end of all this appears vague and unknown. 

A few items of interest.

COVID-19 Response White Papers
https://ethics.harvard.edu/covid-19-response

'What’s the Best Material for a Mask?'
https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-homemade-mask-material-DIY-face-mask-ppe.html

'Coronavirus testing methods: What you need to know'
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-testing-methods-200330142718434.html

'It’s a razor’s edge we’re walking': inside the race to develop a coronavirus vaccine'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/inside-the-race-to-develop-a-coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19

TDS is strong in this one.

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 09, 2020, 06:36:43 AM
And he did it again yesterday.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=eccwjmPxM-s&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=eccwjmPxM-s&feature=emb_logo)

At this point it seems too overt, this is intentional, meant to be seen....baiting for a reaction - to be fired maybe
Yes, this is too weird. The thing is, Fauci loves the media attention, and if he tries to trip up Trump, he commits suicide as far as being in the worlds spotlight.
At the moment he's walking a tight rope, and it's a long way to the other side of the canyon.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Sauce on April 09, 2020, 06:47:15 AM
Yes, this is too weird. The thing is, Fauci loves the media attention, and if he tries to trip up Trump, he commits suicide as far as being in the worlds spotlight.
At the moment he's walking a tight rope, and it's a long way to the other side of the canyon.


True, but to LEAD the Resistance, ahh, that might be the ultimate goal in his eys....especially as PDJT starts easing us out of this nightmare shutdown...

he'll have his soap box, and the media will make it a pulpit.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 09, 2020, 06:56:28 AM

True, but to LEAD the Resistance, ahh, that might be the ultimate goal in his eys....especially as PDJT starts easing us out of this nightmare shutdown...

he'll have his soap box, and the media will make it a pulpit.
That's always a possibility. But does anyone really listen to the left anymore? I don't, I ridicule them at every turn.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on April 09, 2020, 09:05:22 AM
This pandemic has changed our lives in odd ways.  We now talk at distances. Shopping is an obstacle course - as well as a patience builder for people like I.  Dinner is a drive through and at home where it used to be family more isolated. TV dinner has new meaning. Cathedrals are now hospitals.  Mosques, Synagogue and churches are empty lots. I hate these masks but now wear one - sometimes. Parks are crowded with walkers and beaches are closed to them. Truckers speed along alone and lines form before stores open. TV is a statistician and not a good one. Trump lies - I guess that's not new. Fauci warns and now talking heads all appear from a computer.  I have my computer eye blacked out. We call friends now well some friends.  What do lip readers do.  Death is more alone than ever.  And the end of all this appears vague and unknown. 

A few items of interest.

COVID-19 Response White Papers
https://ethics.harvard.edu/covid-19-response

'What’s the Best Material for a Mask?'
https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-homemade-mask-material-DIY-face-mask-ppe.html

'Coronavirus testing methods: What you need to know'
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-testing-methods-200330142718434.html

'It’s a razor’s edge we’re walking': inside the race to develop a coronavirus vaccine'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/inside-the-race-to-develop-a-coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19


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Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 09, 2020, 02:03:25 PM
Here is an unintended consequence of the  "crisis"

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/health/2020/04/02/health-care-workers-laid-off-patient-visits-drop-during-coronavirus-pandemic/5089438002/

"By the end of June, as many as 60,000 family practices could close or significantly scale back, leaving 800,000 of their employees laid off, furloughed or working reduced hours as business declines during the coronavirus pandemic, according to data released Thursday by the American Academy of Family Physicians and HealthLandscape.

That represents 43% of the nearly 1.9 million people employed at family medicine offices, including receptionists, medical assistants, nurses, physicians, billing staff and janitors.

The figure doesn't include reductions at hospitals and specialty clinics that are also feeling the pinch.

The situation is a Catch-22 of sorts. As hospitals and emergency rooms deal with a surge of patients affected by the coronavirus, clinics and other health care centers are seeing a decline in elective surgeries, procedures and preventive care like annual physicals, well-woman visits and regular teeth cleanings."

One thing i take  issue with is this "surge" of  corona  patients they refer  to. Yes the  model trump used to make  policy  did  indeed show  surges  its apparent they didnt  materialize. If you feel hospitals  in the  nation are overflowing and  unable to handle  the  load  please feel free to contradict  me. I  am having a  hard time  finding  pictures  of these  places where patients are  literally  storming  in and  unable to get care.

So, as  many as  800,000(and as the article says that  isnt  including  hospitals) will be added to the  already  16.6 million(with millions  more to come) who are  now  unemployed.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 09, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
Here is an unintended consequence of the  "crisis"

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/health/2020/04/02/health-care-workers-laid-off-patient-visits-drop-during-coronavirus-pandemic/5089438002/

"By the end of June, as many as 60,000 family practices could close or significantly scale back, leaving 800,000 of their employees laid off, furloughed or working reduced hours as business declines during the coronavirus pandemic, according to data released Thursday by the American Academy of Family Physicians and HealthLandscape.

That represents 43% of the nearly 1.9 million people employed at family medicine offices, including receptionists, medical assistants, nurses, physicians, billing staff and janitors.

The figure doesn't include reductions at hospitals and specialty clinics that are also feeling the pinch.

The situation is a Catch-22 of sorts. As hospitals and emergency rooms deal with a surge of patients affected by the coronavirus, clinics and other health care centers are seeing a decline in elective surgeries, procedures and preventive care like annual physicals, well-woman visits and regular teeth cleanings."

One thing i take  issue with is this "surge" of  corona  patients they refer  to. Yes the  model trump used to make  policy  did  indeed show  surges  its apparent they didnt  materialize. If you feel hospitals  in the  nation are overflowing and  unable to handle  the  load  please feel free to contradict  me. I  am having a  hard time  finding  pictures  of these  places where patients are  literally  storming  in and  unable to get care.

So, as  many as  800,000(and as the article says that  isnt  including  hospitals) will be added to the  already  16.6 million(with millions  more to come) who are  now  unemployed.
You forgot to claim it was the Orangemanbad' fault!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 09, 2020, 02:19:23 PM
You forgot to claim it was the Orangemanbad' fault!

Now that  you  mention it  i will only add that since the  hospitals  have alot  more free time  on thier  hands than anticipated perhaps its time to allow them to take  in more  patients.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 09, 2020, 02:22:23 PM
Now that  you  mention it  i will only add that since the  hospitals  have alot  more free time  on thier  hands than anticipated perhaps its time to allow them to take  in more  patients.
Most hospitals have canceled elective surgeries, so there is no need to stay open, especially if they aren't being hit with the virus.
Keep in mind, hospitals are not govt owned.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 09, 2020, 02:39:40 PM
Most hospitals have canceled elective surgeries, so there is no need to stay open, especially if they aren't being hit with the virus.
Keep in mind, hospitals are not govt owned.

No they arent  govt  owned but they did  get  some  encouragement from the surgeon general

https://newsthud.com/trumps-surgeon-general-jerome-adams-advises-hospitals-to-cancel-elective-surgeries/

"We know we will soon see our hospitals flooded with patients – treatment works but as we saw in Italy and China the key is to have access to hospital beds and equipment. A sudden influx will overload the system so you can expect to see more hospitals start doing this.

“Hospital & healthcare systems, PLEASE CONSIDER STOPPING ELECTIVE PROCEDURES until we can #FlattenTheCurve!” Adams tweeted this morning."

That  was  his reasoning that was based  on a horribly  flawed  model. We didnt  see  our  hospitals  flooded with patients so i think the surgeon general should  consider allowing  hospitals to take  in more  patients. Let  me  change  "allowing" to encouraging.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 09, 2020, 03:39:34 PM
Here  is an article  some  may find  interesting.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-pandemic-projection-models-proving-unreliable/

"My use of the term “off” is intentional. There is no shortage of government spin, regurgitated by media commentators, assuring us that the drastic reductions in the projections over just a few days powerfully illustrate how well social distancing and the substantial shuttering of the economy is working. Nonsense. As Alex Berenson points out on Twitter, with an accompanying screenshot data updated by IHME on April 1, the original April 2 model explicitly “assum[ed] full social distancing through May 2020.”

I am amazed  i seem to be  one  of the  few who are concerned freedom can be extinguished because  of this  hideously  flawed  model. Is this  how  little  we revere freedom? This  model has  allowed 40+ governors  to become  dictators. I dont  care for  it.

This also goes to my point in another  post  about  medical people and thier extensive  training. We are going into what  is  likely to be a depression, we are  under the  control of  40+ despots all because these "extensively  trained" people were so ignorant?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 09, 2020, 05:21:48 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVMyRzDUYAUF2ps?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 09, 2020, 05:23:11 PM
Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
Washington State shuts down its COVID field hospital. Total patient count: Zero. The move is “”aimed at helping another state with a more significant need...” Good luck with that.

As we can see they are going to try to keep death counts  up with rather devious  methods
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 09, 2020, 07:00:42 PM
Here  is a study  just released from germany where  it appears  the death rate  is  quite flu-like.

https://www.bccourier.com/these-are-the-first-lessons-of-the-heinsberg-study/

"Virologist Hendrik Streeck considers an beginning relaxation of the strict conditions possible in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. Because most people were “so active and disciplined”, it was now possible to go into a “phase two”: a withdrawal of conditions while ensuring the hygiene measures. “We have learned how to behave properly in terms of hygiene,” said Streeck."

 "These are the first, but already representative interim results:

    at 15 Percent of the examined Gangelts residents were found to be infected
    The likelihood of dying from the disease lies in gear at 0.37 percent
    For comparison: According to the Johns Hopkins University, the lethality in Germany is currently 1.98 Percent – five times higher."

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 09, 2020, 07:06:07 PM
Results from Iceland  mirror  those  in germany.

Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
·
1h
Turns out the Icelandic #COVID data shows almost the exact fatality rate of the new German data: about 1 in 300 - 6 deaths in 1648 positive tests). Somewhat worse than the flu, though other data suggests the flu is much MORE dangerous to the young. https://covid.is/data
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 09, 2020, 07:13:52 PM
Here  is another  bit  of  news about  possible  number  padding

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/how-honest-is-the-covid-fatality-count.php?fbclid=IwAR0sKep3l0UMQme1uHbK9L96AlJAnCtXKvZPm_8UKGMmIOMEzbJilo-5RwY

"Dr. Scott Jensen is both a physician and a Minnesota state senator. Yesterday he was interviewed by a local television station and dropped a bombshell: he, and presumably all other Minnesota doctors, got a seven-page letter from the Minnesota Department of Health that gave guidance on how to classify COVID-19 deaths. The letter said that if a patient died of, e.g., pneumonia, and was believed to have been exposed to COVID-19, the death certificate should say that COVID-19 was the cause of death even though the patient was never tested, or never tested positive, for that disease."
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 10, 2020, 01:10:42 AM
https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody (https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody)

If you  have the  anti-body you  have had  corona which means you are  immune. What does that mean? They have already had it which means at least 80 million nationwide. that also means the death rate is miniscule.

"Owaynat said the number of patients coming through the testing center who appear to have already had coronavirus and gotten over it is far greater than those who currently have the disease.


Sumaya Owaynat

“A lot of people have high antibodies, which means they had the coronavirus but they don’t have it anymore and their bodies built the antibodies,” Owaynat told Chicago City Wire."
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 10, 2020, 05:20:28 AM
https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody (https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody)

If you  have the  anti-body you  have had  corona which means you are  immune. What does that mean? They have already had it which means at least 80 million nationwide. that also means the death rate is miniscule.

"Owaynat said the number of patients coming through the testing center who appear to have already had coronavirus and gotten over it is far greater than those who currently have the disease.


Sumaya Owaynat

“A lot of people have high antibodies, which means they had the coronavirus but they don’t have it anymore and their bodies built the antibodies,” Owaynat told Chicago City Wire."
WOW! So a tech said that between 30 and`and 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies.
Now think about those words, and the fact this so called author talked to a tech, not an actual phlebotomist, or a doctor, but someone that runs crap as a gopher.
Now, think about that 30 to 50 spread, and that doesn't ring alarm bells?

Oh, one other thing, the hospital only has 138 beds, and we're supposed to take some silly anecdotal evidence that this sets precedent nationwide? 80 million nationwide.? What a gullible fool!

Roseland Community Hospital, located on the far south side of Chicago, has 138 beds serving a majority minority population with over 96% of the community’s residents identifying as African-American.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 10, 2020, 05:25:34 AM
WOW! So a tech said that between 30 and`and 50% of patients tested for the coronavirus have antibodies.
Now think about those words, and the fact this so called author talked to a tech, not an actual phlebotomist, or a doctor, but someone that runs crap as a gopher.
Now, think about that 30 to 50 spread, and that doesn't ring alarm bells?

Oh, one other thing, the hospital only has 138 beds, and we're supposed to take some silly anecdotal evidence that this sets precedent nationwide? 80 million nationwide.? What a gullible fool!

Roseland Community Hospital, located on the far south side of Chicago, has 138 beds serving a majority minority population with over 96% of the community’s residents identifying as African-American.

I think you  would  agree the  model trump is  using  has equally impressive  spreads  if  not  moreso. Im not  sure what  difference  it  makes  if they are african american or  not. I think you are going to find the  virus got  out  of the  bag  long ago and  infected an awful lot  of  people.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 10, 2020, 05:36:43 AM
I think you  would  agree the  model trump is  using  has equally impressive  spreads  if  not  moreso. Im not  sure what  difference  it  makes  if they are african american or  not. I think you are going to find the  virus got  out  of the  bag  long ago and  infected an awful lot  of  people.
It makes no difference to me, but apparently it did to you. You posted this piece of tripe as representative of all the US, and the only evidence is based on the word of some tech that doesn't even know how to draw blood.
You do know what a tech is, right? He cleans the lab equipment and runs errands, he's a damn gopher!!

Your need to prove your ignorance before the world has been a success, quit while you're ahead.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 10, 2020, 06:19:36 AM
Pope Francis Says Pandemic Is ‘Nature’s Response’ to Human Inaction over Climate Change

Wow, The stupid is strong with this one...

Pope Francis said he believes the Chinese coronavirus pandemic is “certainly nature’s response” to humanity’s failure to address the “partial catastrophes” wrought by human-induced climate change.

Asked by British journalist Austen Ivereigh whether the COVID-19 crisis is an opportunity for an “ecological conversion,” the pontiff reasserted his belief that humanity has provoked nature by not responding adequately to the climate crisis.

“There is an expression in Spanish: ‘God always forgives, we forgive sometimes, but nature never forgives,’” Francis said in the interview published Wednesday. “We did not respond to the partial catastrophes. Who now speaks of the fires in Australia, or remembers that a year and a half ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted? Who speaks now of the floods?”


https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/04/09/pope-francis-says-pandemic-is-natures-response-to-human-inaction-over-climate-change/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 10, 2020, 06:37:39 AM
Trump: US Needs To Be Carrying Out Roughly 750,000 Coronavirus Tests Per Week Before Re-Opening Economy

President Donald Trump suggested Thursday that he is waiting until roughly 750,000 coronavirus tests are being carried out every week before easing social distancing guidelines that would allow the economy to re-open.

“I don’t like using the word ‘needed,'” Trump responded when asked by a reporter at the White House task force briefing about the aforementioned number of tests. “Because I don’t think it’s ‘needed.'”
“We’re going to try to hit a number like that,” he continued. “That’s a very high number, but we’ll be trying to hit it, and we probably might be able to do that.”

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/09/trump-us-needs-750000-coronavirus-tests-per-week-re-opening-economy/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solars Toy on April 10, 2020, 08:05:44 AM
Medical clothing arriving in France from China.

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: supsalemgr on April 10, 2020, 08:24:57 AM
Pope Francis Says Pandemic Is ‘Nature’s Response’ to Human Inaction over Climate Change

Wow, The stupid is strong with this one...

Pope Francis said he believes the Chinese coronavirus pandemic is “certainly nature’s response” to humanity’s failure to address the “partial catastrophes” wrought by human-induced climate change.

Asked by British journalist Austen Ivereigh whether the COVID-19 crisis is an opportunity for an “ecological conversion,” the pontiff reasserted his belief that humanity has provoked nature by not responding adequately to the climate crisis.

“There is an expression in Spanish: ‘God always forgives, we forgive sometimes, but nature never forgives,’” Francis said in the interview published Wednesday. “We did not respond to the partial catastrophes. Who now speaks of the fires in Australia, or remembers that a year and a half ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted? Who speaks now of the floods?”


https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/04/09/pope-francis-says-pandemic-is-natures-response-to-human-inaction-over-climate-change/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

The Pope is clearly a leftist. I am not Catholic, but I suggest there is probably quite a split in the church. I would suspect there are a number of Cardinals who would like a recall vote.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 10, 2020, 09:07:54 AM
The Pope is clearly a leftist. I am not Catholic, but I suggest there is probably quite a split in the church. I would suspect there are a number of Cardinals who would like a recall vote.
I see him as a full blown Marxist. How these scum rose to the top is no doubt one of those great mysteries, and no doubt a cancer within the church.
Title: Ron Paul Calls On Trump To Fire Dr. Fauci
Post by: Solar on April 10, 2020, 09:35:24 AM
Ron Paul Calls On Trump To Fire Dr. Fauci, Says Some Are Trying ‘To Have Total Control Over The People’

“The plan that they have is when things are getting back to normal, people can return to their work, and they do things, and go to the golf course if they get a stamp of approval,” Paul said. “Your liberties are there if you get a proper stamp from the government.”

“It’s an excuse to have total control over the people,” Paul continued.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/09/texas-ron-paul-donald-trump-doctor-anthony-fauci-fire-dismiss-coronavirus-covid-19/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 10, 2020, 04:28:25 PM
Fauci is  a  piece  of S**** . Said that from the  beginning
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 10, 2020, 04:30:21 PM
Bravo to a  brave  man!!!

https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2020/04/10/gov-abbott-planning-executive-order-for-guidelines.html

"Gov. Greg Abbott is drafting an executive order for guidelines for re-opening Texas businesses. Abbott said that order, which will come next week, will look at ways to safely provide economic revitalization to Texas.

“We will focus on protective lives while restoring livelihoods. We can do both,” Abbott said Friday, April 10, during an afternoon news conference."
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 10, 2020, 04:31:04 PM
Republican govs  who are defying  fauci will need  our  support.
Title: Re: Ron Paul Calls On Trump To Fire Dr. Fauci
Post by: WMK on April 10, 2020, 04:32:54 PM
Ron Paul Calls On Trump To Fire Dr. Fauci, Says Some Are Trying ‘To Have Total Control Over The People’

“The plan that they have is when things are getting back to normal, people can return to their work, and they do things, and go to the golf course if they get a stamp of approval,” Paul said. “Your liberties are there if you get a proper stamp from the government.”

“It’s an excuse to have total control over the people,” Paul continued.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/09/texas-ron-paul-donald-trump-doctor-anthony-fauci-fire-dismiss-coronavirus-covid-19/

Perhaps Fauci suffers from a Napoleonic Complex?!?
Title: Re: Ron Paul Calls On Trump To Fire Dr. Fauci
Post by: Solar on April 10, 2020, 04:39:37 PM
Perhaps Fauci suffers from a Napoleonic Complex?!?
It does look that way, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Ron Paul Calls On Trump To Fire Dr. Fauci
Post by: ldub23 on April 10, 2020, 04:45:20 PM
It does look that way, doesn't it?

Someone else explained  it  better than me. Fauci has  never  been so adored  by  media and had  his  every  word seem like  it comes from god  than now. He  is loving  this. Also, he  has  every  incentive to make this seem as  bad as  possible to get even more adoration from the  media. Lastly, no amount  of  economic  misery is going to effect  him.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 10, 2020, 04:54:44 PM
Chinese City Evicted Scores Of Africans From Their Homes As WHO Accused Taiwan Of Stoking Racism

As the Chinese-backed head of the World Health Organization accused Taiwan of stoking racism on Wednesday, scores of Africans living in the Chinese city of Guangzhou were being evicted from their homes over claims they were importing coronavirus into the city.

“We have no house, no food, no hotel,” an unnamed Nigerian student living in Guangzhou told the BBC on Thursday. “There are up to 100 people still on the streets. People want to go back to our countries.”

“I don’t know what the problem is with China,” the student said. “Everywhere that Africans live they are pushing us away.”

The forced evictions were predicated by online rumors that coronavirus was spreading among Africans living in Guangzhou, which has one of the largest African communities in China, the BBC reported.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/10/chinese-city-african-evictions-world-health-organization-taiwan/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 10, 2020, 06:36:16 PM
How about a little perspective just for the hell of it?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVSNESWWsAAzi5o?format=jpg&name=900x900)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVSKcNxWsAIcHIu?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 10, 2020, 06:57:11 PM
How about a little perspective just for the hell of it?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVSNESWWsAAzi5o?format=jpg&name=900x900)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVSKcNxWsAIcHIu?format=jpg&name=small)

Dont  give dem govs any new  ideas. They  might  use that to ban motor  vehicles. Speaking  of  Italy you  may not  be aware that  back in feb to show they arent  racist they had a  "hug a  chinese day". That worked  out  pretty good.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 10, 2020, 07:04:06 PM
https://politicodailynews.com/church-members-fined-500-for-attending-drive-in-service-in-their-cars/

Damn another  victim of the  corona  panic, religious  freedom
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 10, 2020, 07:05:50 PM
https://politicodailynews.com/church-members-fined-500-for-attending-drive-in-service-in-their-cars/

Damn another  victim of the  corona  panic, religious  freedom
Let me guess. Trump's fault?


You do know, this is a States Rights issue, Right?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 10, 2020, 07:15:04 PM
Let me guess. Trump's fault?


You do know, this is a States Rights issue, Right?

I  am well aware we  now  have 40+ despots. It would  be  nice  for  Trump to speak out against this  however.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 11, 2020, 05:19:32 AM
Its time for  trump to end this NOW!! Speak up man. You may not  have the  power to order govs to cease but  you sure as hell can speak up for the  people  that  voted  for  you. This is turning  into a war  on religion

CNN
@CNN
Kentucky will record license plates of those who show up to any mass gatherings, such as church services, and will provide that info to local health departments, who will in turn order those individuals to be quarantined for 14 days, Gov. Andy Beshear says
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 11, 2020, 05:20:28 AM
concentration camps  next?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 11, 2020, 05:39:04 AM
What  kentucky is doing  isnt far from concentration camps and  it seems people  just  accept  another freedom gone.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 11, 2020, 05:42:08 AM
Yeah, it's Bill Maher, but every now and then, the lib gets it Right.


Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 11, 2020, 05:44:13 AM
What  kentucky is doing  isnt far from concentration camps and  it seems people  just  accept  another freedom gone.
Quit watering down this thread with bull shit, if you have something to say, consolidate it into one post, otherwise I'm going to start deleting your nonsense!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on April 11, 2020, 05:52:13 AM
What  kentucky is doing  isnt far from concentration camps and  it seems people  just  accept  another freedom gone.
So is this a virus problem or did the fine people of Kentucky learn from electing liberals?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 11, 2020, 08:11:17 AM
So is this a virus problem or did the fine people of Kentucky learn from electing liberals?

Yep, the  idiots elected a democrat.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 11, 2020, 08:13:52 AM
Some doctors  with common sense. One of them should  replace  Dr Strangelove beside  Trump.

https://medium.com/@jbgeach/eight-reasons-to-end-the-lockdowns-now-fed3a7036301

"The most effective time for social distancing is early in a pandemic. Lockdowns also slow the development of herd immunity, which helps a society move past the virus.

We can still practice good hand hygiene, wear masks in public, and continue social distancing for the elderly and high risk, while we develop protective herd immunity for those most at risk. By the time the lockdowns began, COVID-19 had already been seeded in the US for months, limiting the effectiveness of the lockdowns in the first place as the virus was already widespread."
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 11, 2020, 03:37:02 PM
If Trump would  only  start  speaking  out and take  back control from Fauci

Steve Cortes
@CortesSteve
·
7h
In the case of Michigan, and perhaps other states, these state/local leaders will surely pursue punitive restrictions even once Pres Trump reopens our economy, providing a big political opportunity for Trump to win over rightly-angered voters in those places. 3/3
The petty tyrant Michigan leader @GovWhitmer
mandates that citizens may not travel to their own second residences, may not buy garden seeds or a can of paint. Such govt overreach represents an affront against common sense and our principles of liberty 1/3
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 11, 2020, 04:24:06 PM
*Its too late for  me to add this  importand  post to my earlier  kentucky post.

A decent  judge  sides with 1 church in Kentucky

https://apnews.com/28cb3aeb9345392f336b77e4b3da5bf3

U.S. District Judge Justin Walker sided with the church, saying that the city is prohibited from “enforcing; attempting to enforce; threatening to enforce; or otherwise requiring compliance with any prohibition on drive-in church services at On Fire.”

“On Holy Thursday, an American mayor criminalized the communal celebration of Easter,” Walker wrote in his sternly worded 20-page opinion. “That sentence is one that this Court never expected to see outside the pages of a dystopian novel, or perhaps the pages of The Onion.”

Walker added that “The Mayor’s decision is stunning. And it is, ‘beyond all reason,’ unconstitutional.”
If you'd stop and look around, you'd see that half the shit you post has already been posted!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: taxed on April 11, 2020, 04:24:15 PM
If Trump would  only  start  speaking  out and take  back control from Fauci

Steve Cortes
@CortesSteve
·
7h
In the case of Michigan, and perhaps other states, these state/local leaders will surely pursue punitive restrictions even once Pres Trump reopens our economy, providing a big political opportunity for Trump to win over rightly-angered voters in those places. 3/3
The petty tyrant Michigan leader @GovWhitmer
mandates that citizens may not travel to their own second residences, may not buy garden seeds or a can of paint. Such govt overreach represents an affront against common sense and our principles of liberty 1/3

Fauci has Trump right where he wants him:

https://orissadiary.com/us-president-donaldtrump-thanks-indiaindian-people-pm-narendramodi-for-helping-united-states-with-hydroxychloriquine-by-changing-export-rules/

Quote
New Delhi: USA Presidents Donal Trump thanks PM Narendra Modi for the decision to lift ban on exports of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ). Trump thanks India, Indian People & Prime Minister Narendra Modi for helping United States with #hydroxychloriquine by changing export rules amidst nationwide lockdown due to global #COVID19 pandemic. Says, ‘will not be forgotten’. Praises strong leadership of Modi.

Everyone knows how much Fauci loves HCQ...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 12, 2020, 05:17:42 AM
Fauci has Trump right where he wants him:

https://orissadiary.com/us-president-donaldtrump-thanks-indiaindian-people-pm-narendramodi-for-helping-united-states-with-hydroxychloriquine-by-changing-export-rules/

Everyone knows how much Fauci loves HCQ...

None of that tells  me anything about when trump will end the  idiotic  lockdowns.
And Fauci is still there at every  update.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 12, 2020, 06:52:40 AM
None of that tells  me anything about when trump will end the  idiotic  lockdowns.
And Fauci is still there at every  update.
That's because your blind hate refuses to allow you to see what is happening externally.
Fauci is a necessary evil, he will be the target of the media if anything goes wrong because he is such an arrogant POS that wanted to be emperor. He refuses to relinquish the limelight, and Trump is using his ego to his advantage.

While Fauci plays the fool as a distraction, Trump just secured India as this century's biggest ally. Both China and Russia had been grooming India for decades, then Trump shows up, holds up the Indian people and their leader as saviors of humanity, and BAMMM, Trump secured a great new ally and I'm glad he did.

Dude, you really need to take of your blinders of hate, Trump is changing the world for good, and you're missing history as it's being made.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on April 12, 2020, 07:48:43 AM
Death Certificates  17 min. long but very good about facts and data.
Gets very good after min. 1.44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5wn1qs_bBk&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Sauce on April 12, 2020, 08:33:40 AM
and now for something really scary......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le_rfTdayLs&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le_rfTdayLs&feature=emb_logo)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 12, 2020, 12:46:48 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: We Chinee, no racist...

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 12, 2020, 02:59:49 PM
I think im in love with Kristi Noem

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/09/knox-county-mayor-slams-statewide-stay-at-home-order/

South Dakota Republican Gov. Kristi Noem made the same case in resisting calls to join governors across the nation implementing similar orders. Noem argued that it was a public responsibility to act in accordance with the guidelines issued by public health authorities rather than impose the recommendations into through executive action.

“The people themselves are primarily responsible for their safety,” Noem said. “They are free to exercise their rights to work, to worship and to play or to even stay home or to conduct social distancing.”

She  has  my respect. If  i had billions to spend  like  Bloomberg  i would  fund  her campaign as an independent on the  conservative  party  ticket  if she  chose to run
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: taxed on April 12, 2020, 03:18:40 PM
None of that tells  me anything about when trump will end the  idiotic  lockdowns.
What has Trump locked down?

Quote
And Fauci is still there at every  update.
So?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on April 12, 2020, 03:23:00 PM
What has Trump locked down?
So?
Must be easier to blame Trump for everything than to actually look what has been closed that has him bent out of shape and then research who closed it. Then he would know who to blame.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 12, 2020, 03:26:30 PM
What has Trump locked down?
So?

Come on, you cant be  that  obtuse. Trump issued  guidelines saying there should  NOT be gathering  of  10 or  more  people and that  NO ONE should  visit  a  restaurant  or  bar. The  governors are taking those  guidelines and running  with them to an extreme and  i have  yet to hear trump criticise any of  it. And  you  may not care if fauci continues to advise trump. I do. Fuaci isnt hurt  by any amount  of  misery  he  causes.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: taxed on April 12, 2020, 03:29:41 PM
Come on, you cant be  that  obtuse. Trump issued  guidelines saying there should  NOT be gathering  of  10 or  more  people and that  NO ONE should  visit  a  restaurant  or  bar. The  governors are taking those  guidelines and running  with them to an extreme and  i have  yet to hear trump criticise any of  it. And  you  may not care if fauci continues to advise trump. I do. Fuaci isnt hurt  by any amount  of  misery  he  causes.

Where did he shut things down and ban products, like in Michigan?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 13, 2020, 03:43:19 AM
Where did he shut things down and ban products, like in Michigan?

As  i said the  governors ran with what  he said. He  is a grown man and  if  he wants to be re-elected and  if  he  disagrees with Whitmer he  can call her  out  any time  he wants.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 13, 2020, 03:46:12 AM
I  mentioned  something  about the  supply chain shutting  down. This  might  be the  beginning,

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-pork-producer-shuts-key-173657598.html

“The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply,” Smithfield’s Chief Executive Officer Ken Sullivan said in the statement. “It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running.”

While it’s unclear whether the meat-employee infections have anything to do with the workplaces, the news exposes the vulnerability of global supply chains that are needed to keep grocers stocked after panic buying left shelves empty. The shuttered plants and sick workers are adding to other disruptions caused by the virus that’s making it harder for food to get from farm to table. Trucking bottlenecks, and snarled port traffic have also contributed to why shoppers are seeing empty shelves."

Its  not  going to take  much more  of this to bring everything to a screeching  halt.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 13, 2020, 04:15:05 AM
I  mentioned  something  about the  supply chain shutting  down. This  might  be the  beginning,

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-pork-producer-shuts-key-173657598.html

“The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply,” Smithfield’s Chief Executive Officer Ken Sullivan said in the statement. “It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running.”

While it’s unclear whether the meat-employee infections have anything to do with the workplaces, the news exposes the vulnerability of global supply chains that are needed to keep grocers stocked after panic buying left shelves empty. The shuttered plants and sick workers are adding to other disruptions caused by the virus that’s making it harder for food to get from farm to table. Trucking bottlenecks, and snarled port traffic have also contributed to why shoppers are seeing empty shelves."

Its  not  going to take  much more  of this to bring everything to a screeching  halt.
Aren't you the guy who said it was nothing more than a flu, and now you're peddling a doomsday outlook?

Which is it lib?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 13, 2020, 05:43:00 AM
Aren't you the guy who said it was nothing more than a flu, and now you're peddling a doomsday outlook?

Which is it lib?

Yea  and  im going to be right. However, its everyone else  who is  peddaling fear and  panic and the supply chain is  going to shut  down if we stay under house arrest.

Here is a  hopeful sign. I urge you to join the freedom lovers.

Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
·
15m
Now this is viral growth: a North Carolina Facebook group called #ReopenNC began last Thursday and has 21,000 members already; it is calling for a protest tomorrow. North Carolina, population 10.4 million, has 81 #COVID deaths and 331 people hospitalized.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 13, 2020, 07:15:45 AM
Yea  and  im going to be right. However, its everyone else  who is  peddaling fear and  panic and the supply chain is  going to shut  down if we stay under house arrest.

Here is a  hopeful sign. I urge you to join the freedom lovers.

Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
·
15m
Now this is viral growth: a North Carolina Facebook group called #ReopenNC began last Thursday and has 21,000 members already; it is calling for a protest tomorrow. North Carolina, population 10.4 million, has 81 #COVID deaths and 331 people hospitalized.
You're not only a hypocrite, you're a liar!!!
First you claim it's only a flu, and now you're advocating supply chain collapse. Dude, you are as transparent as air.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 13, 2020, 07:34:04 AM
You're not only a hypocrite, you're a liar!!!
First you claim it's only a flu, and now you're advocating supply chain collapse. Dude, you are as transparent as air.

I will have to disagree with you. you  know  i have  been saying the fear  mongers are causing the  panic and that will cause our  freedoms  to disappear. I  seem to be  more  concerned with freedom than anyone else  on here. And speaking  of  freedom, one  more  down the  drain

Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
Meanwhile, a Massachusetts city of 93,000 has ordered a nighttime lockdown for all residents (who knew that #SARSCoV2 spreads better at night?).

I don't even know what to say anymore.

And another civil liberty  down the  drain. And you  people  on here actually think these  people are  just  going to give  up being  dictators? They love it.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 13, 2020, 07:57:44 AM
I will have to disagree with you. you  know  i have  been saying the fear  mongers are causing the  panic and that will cause our  freedoms  to disappear. I  seem to be  more  concerned with freedom than anyone else  on here. And speaking  of  freedom, one  more  down the  drain

Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
Meanwhile, a Massachusetts city of 93,000 has ordered a nighttime lockdown for all residents (who knew that #SARSCoV2 spreads better at night?).

I don't even know what to say anymore.

And another civil liberty  down the  drain. And you  people  on here actually think these  people are  just  going to give  up being  dictators? They love it.
Which is it lib, freedoms, or a collapsed supply chain? You claim supply chains are shutting down because of a a virus no worse than the flu, and in another breath claim the govt is stealing freedoms.
What's your solution?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Prospector on April 13, 2020, 10:09:50 AM
This virus seems to be very poorly understood. It can peak then fall away and then rise again. People that had the virus are tested free of it after dealing with the illness only to become infected again. Vaccines may not be the answer. Maybe it is Gods punishment on humans for electing godless people like Duterte, Bolsonaro, Trump and Netanyahu.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 13, 2020, 11:56:31 AM
This virus seems to be very poorly understood. It can peak then fall away and then rise again. People that had the virus are tested free of it after dealing with the illness only to become infected again. Vaccines may not be the answer. Maybe it is Gods punishment on humans for electing godless people like Duterte, Bolsonaro, Trump and Netanyahu.
Orrrr, could it be the CCP is solely to blame for infecting the entire world? Yeah, that's the only answer, commie scum!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 13, 2020, 01:18:14 PM
Are  hospitals themselves the worst  place to be?

https://medium.com/@tepper_jonathan/ground-zero-when-the-cure-is-worse-than-the-disease-3c513d91393d

“We are learning that hospitals might be the main Covid-19 carriers,” they wrote. “They are rapidly populated by infected patients, facilitating transmission to uninfected patients.”
“It’s like a cesspool…It’s now spreading throughout the hospital”
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on April 13, 2020, 06:30:16 PM
This virus seems to be very poorly understood. It can peak then fall away and then rise again. People that had the virus are tested free of it after dealing with the illness only to become infected again. Vaccines may not be the answer. Maybe it is Gods punishment on humans for electing godless people like Duterte, Bolsonaro, Trump and Netanyahu.

The virus is “poorly understood” because it has become politicized. With that, comes disinformation, which blur the lines of distinction between fact and fiction. Hence, a confused people are easily manipulated.

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 13, 2020, 08:58:01 PM
WHO Official Says She Suspected Human-To-Human COVID-19 Transmission ‘Right From The Start’ — But The WHO Echoed Misleading Chinese Claims To The Contrary For Weeks

A World Health Organization official said Monday that she suspected human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus “right from the start,” beginning on Dec. 31, 2019.

But WHO officials echoed Chinese authorities and denied any suggestion of human-to-human transmission for weeks after Dec. 31. Chinese doctors, meanwhile, were reported to have known for weeks prior that the virus could be transmitted between humans.

“Right from the start, from the first notification we received on the 31st of December, given that this was a cluster of pneumonia — I’m a MERS specialist, so my background is in coronaviruses and influenza — so immediately thought, given that this is a respiratory pathogen, that of course there may be human-to-human transmission,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove said in a press briefing Monday.

Despite Van Kerkhove’s apparent suspicions, the WHO repeated Chinese authorities’ downplaying the possibility that the virus could spread between people.



https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/13/world-health-organization-human-transmission-timeline-china-covid19-coronavirus/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Sauce on April 14, 2020, 05:05:08 AM
WHO Official Says She Suspected Human-To-Human COVID-19 Transmission ‘Right From The Start’ — But The WHO Echoed Misleading Chinese Claims To The Contrary For Weeks

A World Health Organization official said Monday that she suspected human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus “right from the start,” beginning on Dec. 31, 2019.

But WHO officials echoed Chinese authorities and denied any suggestion of human-to-human transmission for weeks after Dec. 31. Chinese doctors, meanwhile, were reported to have known for weeks prior that the virus could be transmitted between humans.

“Right from the start, from the first notification we received on the 31st of December, given that this was a cluster of pneumonia — I’m a MERS specialist, so my background is in coronaviruses and influenza — so immediately thought, given that this is a respiratory pathogen, that of course there may be human-to-human transmission,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove said in a press briefing Monday.

Despite Van Kerkhove’s apparent suspicions, the WHO repeated Chinese authorities’ downplaying the possibility that the virus could spread between people.



https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/13/world-health-organization-human-transmission-timeline-china-covid19-coronavirus/


The WHO - We wont get fooled again
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 14, 2020, 06:16:57 AM

The WHO - We wont get fooled again

Oooh, Excellent choice of words. :biggrin:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 14, 2020, 07:55:53 AM

Coronavirus can survive long exposure to high temperature, a threat to lab staff around world: paper


The new coronavirus can survive long exposure to high temperatures, according to an experiment by a team of French scientists.
Professor Remi Charrel and colleagues at the Aix-Marseille University in southern France heated the virus that causes Covid-19 to 60 degrees Celsius (140 Fahrenheit) for an hour and found that some strains were still able to replicate.
The scientists had to bring the temperature to almost boiling point to kill the virus completely, according to their non-peer-reviewed paper released on bioRxiv.org on Saturday. The results have implications for the safety of lab technicians working with the virus.
The team in France infected African green monkey kidney cells, a standard host material for viral activity tests, with a strain isolated from a patient in Berlin, Germany. The cells were loaded into tubes representing two different types of environments, one “clean” and the other “dirty” with animal proteins to simulate biological contamination in real-life samples, such as an oral swab.
After the heating, the viral strains in the clean environment were thoroughly deactivated. Some strains in the dirty samples, however, survived.

https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1520602-20200414.htm
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 14, 2020, 01:38:29 PM
Why Doesn’t Flu Tank Economy Like Covid-19?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVlKqT4XgAAwqKK?format=jpg&name=large)


https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-doesnt-flu-tank-economy-like-covid-19-11586511000
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on April 14, 2020, 01:45:13 PM
Why Doesn’t Flu Tank Economy Like Covid-19?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVlKqT4XgAAwqKK?format=jpg&name=large)


https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-doesnt-flu-tank-economy-like-covid-19-11586511000
Hope everyone can read that chart.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 14, 2020, 01:55:19 PM
Hope everyone can read that chart.  :popcorn:
But, but, but it's no worse than the flu, anyway, according to Ldub :rolleyes:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on April 14, 2020, 01:57:47 PM
Hope everyone can read that chart.  :popcorn:

Use CTRL and + it will make the print bigger if needed.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 14, 2020, 02:16:49 PM
(https://scontent.forf1-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/93169852_10163189406690433_3010286657292206080_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_sid=ca434c&_nc_oc=AQlBYwqsNp2bfb-FXLpHAOjbr79io5J8mk19haEh9L8VKX9B7RbkEhFt_AgLzVXY7D0EjqT3_P29dyS05SX_E30_&_nc_ht=scontent.forf1-3.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=f4493333dbe66d0469a6259ff73eb97c&oe=5EBB32FC)

I think that  qualifies as  number  padding. "Presumed"? And  it states rather  clearly there  was  NO positive test.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 15, 2020, 07:10:32 AM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on April 15, 2020, 12:11:55 PM
Hope everyone can read that chart.  :popcorn:

What chart??  :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 15, 2020, 12:26:57 PM
What chart??  :laugh:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVlKqT4XgAAwqKK?format=jpg&name=large
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Prospector on April 15, 2020, 01:49:54 PM
A leading cause of death in the United States: Several weeks ago, coronavirus deaths were few in comparison with other causes. But last week, reported U.S. Covid-19 deaths were just shy of the normal rate from heart disease, usually the leading cause of death.
More than all typical deaths in New York: Strikingly, in the state of New York, the number of people who died with coronavirus last week was more than any other cause of death — in fact, more than twice the average number who die in a week from all causes combined.
In the worst week of the 2017-18 flu season, New York saw 218 deaths from flu and pneumonia and 2,098 total from all causes. Last week, the state saw 4,694 reported Covid-19 deaths alone. These figures must put to rest the “dying with but not of” line of skepticism. The idea that this many people would have died anyway even without Covid-19 is simply not credible.
Any serious attempt to put coronavirus deaths in context by comparing it to some other cause of death in a previous year must acknowledge the marked differences in the Covid-19 trend — most notably, the rapid spike in deaths that is still underway, and the wide range of uncertainty about when it will peak, how high it will peak, and whether it will peak only once. As long as the pandemic is rapidly spreading, these comparisons will be fraught.
Perhaps a better way to state the danger posed by the coronavirus is just that we cannot easily compare it to any precedent in recent history. Nor do we need to dispute projections about future deaths to recognize what has happened already. Amid the statistical noise is a powerful signal. The question is whether we choose to see it.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 15, 2020, 01:58:16 PM
A leading cause of death in the United States: Several weeks ago, coronavirus deaths were few in comparison with other causes. But last week, reported U.S. Covid-19 deaths were just shy of the normal rate from heart disease, usually the leading cause of death.
More than all typical deaths in New York: Strikingly, in the state of New York, the number of people who died with coronavirus last week was more than any other cause of death — in fact, more than twice the average number who die in a week from all causes combined.
In the worst week of the 2017-18 flu season, New York saw 218 deaths from flu and pneumonia and 2,098 total from all causes. Last week, the state saw 4,694 reported Covid-19 deaths alone. These figures must put to rest the “dying with but not of” line of skepticism. The idea that this many people would have died anyway even without Covid-19 is simply not credible.
Any serious attempt to put coronavirus deaths in context by comparing it to some other cause of death in a previous year must acknowledge the marked differences in the Covid-19 trend — most notably, the rapid spike in deaths that is still underway, and the wide range of uncertainty about when it will peak, how high it will peak, and whether it will peak only once. As long as the pandemic is rapidly spreading, these comparisons will be fraught.
Perhaps a better way to state the danger posed by the coronavirus is just that we cannot easily compare it to any precedent in recent history. Nor do we need to dispute projections about future deaths to recognize what has happened already. Amid the statistical noise is a powerful signal. The question is whether we choose to see it.
I don't disagree with your post, just wanted to add a caveat.

A coroner friend of mine once told me that almost all "Causes of Death" are mere guesses, since less than 0.1% of deaths actually under go autopsy.
He said most cases are due to family members guessing the cause of death. He also said all heart death claims are bogus, since the last thing to stop working is the heart, the coroner usually states the cause of death as heart failure.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: shhh on April 16, 2020, 02:41:25 AM
A leading cause of death in the United States: Several weeks ago, coronavirus deaths were few in comparison with other causes. But last week, reported U.S. Covid-19 deaths were just shy of the normal rate from heart disease, usually the leading cause of death.
More than all typical deaths in New York: Strikingly, in the state of New York, the number of people who died with coronavirus last week was more than any other cause of death — in fact, more than twice the average number who die in a week from all causes combined.
In the worst week of the 2017-18 flu season, New York saw 218 deaths from flu and pneumonia and 2,098 total from all causes. Last week, the state saw 4,694 reported Covid-19 deaths alone. These figures must put to rest the “dying with but not of” line of skepticism. The idea that this many people would have died anyway even without Covid-19 is simply not credible.
Any serious attempt to put coronavirus deaths in context by comparing it to some other cause of death in a previous year must acknowledge the marked differences in the Covid-19 trend — most notably, the rapid spike in deaths that is still underway, and the wide range of uncertainty about when it will peak, how high it will peak, and whether it will peak only once. As long as the pandemic is rapidly spreading, these comparisons will be fraught.
Perhaps a better way to state the danger posed by the coronavirus is just that we cannot easily compare it to any precedent in recent history. Nor do we need to dispute projections about future deaths to recognize what has happened already. Amid the statistical noise is a powerful signal. The question is whether we choose to see it.
The Democrats have a vested interest in keeping our nation as chaotic as possible going into the 2020 Election.  Rather telling that the Dem Governors went to extremes with the lock down.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 16, 2020, 08:54:26 AM
The Democrats have a vested interest in keeping our nation as chaotic as possible going into the 2020 Election.  Rather telling that the Dem Governors went to extremes with the lock down.

Its  up to Trump to make that a campaign issue. Open up and  blame  democrats when they stay closed.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: taxed on April 16, 2020, 05:13:51 PM
Bongino's show today: China restricted travel from Wuhan to other parts of China, but didn't restrict travel from Wuhan to other countries????  WTF?

I wish I were a fly on the wall when Trump learned this.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 16, 2020, 06:01:03 PM
Bongino's show today: China restricted travel from Wuhan to other parts of China, but didn't restrict travel from Wuhan to other countries????  WTF?

I wish I were a fly on the wall when Trump learned this.
The moment I saw what China was doing, I wondered if Trump got on the phone to all of our allies and said, "Don't let them in"!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Prospector on April 16, 2020, 06:44:23 PM
Who cares what China, Spain, Korea, Obama, Clinton, etc , etc , etc , etc did or did not do (always some else's fault) it does not matter much now. It is here and we need to get control of it no matter what it takes. It is a war against this thing so stop the whining and do what needs to be done. Economies around the world have been destroyed in modern times and have recovered. If we can work together everyone will have food and shelter but you may not have your new truck, car, TV, rifle, cottage, etc , etc , etc next year.  Also if you are one of the people that can't see the forest because of the trees and think this is just a bit of a harsh flu watch a Sky News documentary about 45 minutes long called-  Coronavirus: Into the Red Zone.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 16, 2020, 06:48:34 PM
Who cares what China, Spain, Korea, Obama, Clinton, etc , etc , etc , etc did or did not do (always some else's fault) it does not matter much now. It is here and we need to get control of it no matter what it takes. It is a war against this thing so stop the whining and do what needs to be done. Economies around the world have been destroyed in modern times and have recovered. If we can work together everyone will have food and shelter but you may not have your new truck, car, TV, rifle, cottage, etc , etc , etc next year.  Also if you are one of the people that can't see the forest because of the trees and think this is just a bit of a harsh flu watch a Sky News documentary about 45 minutes long called-  Coronavirus: Into the Red Zone.
Are you living under a rock? China is our enemy, far more than any other country, even Iran isn't as big a threat as the CCP. They are not our friends and we need to destroy them!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: taxed on April 16, 2020, 06:54:51 PM
Who cares what China, Spain, Korea, Obama, Clinton, etc , etc , etc , etc did or did not do (always some else's fault) it does not matter much now. It is here and we need to get control of it no matter what it takes. It is a war against this thing so stop the whining and do what needs to be done. Economies around the world have been destroyed in modern times and have recovered. If we can work together everyone will have food and shelter but you may not have your new truck, car, TV, rifle, cottage, etc , etc , etc next year.  Also if you are one of the people that can't see the forest because of the trees and think this is just a bit of a harsh flu watch a Sky News documentary about 45 minutes long called-  Coronavirus: Into the Red Zone.

You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 16, 2020, 07:00:52 PM
You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?
I think the only news he gets is leftist CBC, CNN, and BBC in Canada.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on April 17, 2020, 04:58:25 AM
Who cares what China, Spain, Korea, Obama, Clinton, etc , etc , etc , etc did or did not do (always some else's fault) it does not matter much now. It is here and we need to get control of it no matter what it takes. It is a war against this thing so stop the whining and do what needs to be done. Economies around the world have been destroyed in modern times and have recovered. If we can work together everyone will have food and shelter but you may not have your new truck, car, TV, rifle, cottage, etc , etc , etc next year.  Also if you are one of the people that can't see the forest because of the trees and think this is just a bit of a harsh flu watch a Sky News documentary about 45 minutes long called-  Coronavirus: Into the Red Zone.

Without COVID-19, China still exist. Without China, COVID-19 does not exist.
Unless you get to the root of a problem, its symptoms are likely to re-occur time and again.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on April 17, 2020, 05:16:12 AM
Who cares what China, Spain, Korea, Obama, Clinton, etc , etc , etc , etc did or did not do (always some else's fault) it does not matter much now. It is here and we need to get control of it no matter what it takes. It is a war against this thing so stop the whining and do what needs to be done. Economies around the world have been destroyed in modern times and have recovered. If we can work together everyone will have food and shelter but you may not have your new truck, car, TV, rifle, cottage, etc , etc , etc next year.  Also if you are one of the people that can't see the forest because of the trees and think this is just a bit of a harsh flu watch a Sky News documentary about 45 minutes long called-  Coronavirus: Into the Red Zone.

Okay, what does it matter now Hillary. History repeats itself because of people like you. It matters so this shit doesn't happen again.

You're a special kind of stupid.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on April 17, 2020, 05:18:01 AM
You really don't know what you're talking about, do you?

It’s worst than that. It’s exactly the kind of commentary communists want to hear.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 17, 2020, 05:53:20 AM
Dems Defend China Despite Bombshell Taiwan Letter Pointing To COVID-19 Cover-Up By Beijing & WHO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xSEOvKIbQc
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Prospector on April 17, 2020, 05:57:00 AM
You people are so afraid of just about everything. If its not white Anglo Saxon you are terrified of it.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 17, 2020, 06:12:53 AM
You people are so afraid of just about everything. If its not white Anglo Saxon you are terrified of it.
Stop assuming everyone on the right is white. Talk about fuckin ignorant racists, thanks for exposing just what you are, and you morons wonder why you're losing worldwide...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Prospector on April 17, 2020, 06:17:45 AM
Poor Solar must be living in constant fear. Paranoid about everything he cannot understand which is a lot.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 17, 2020, 06:25:01 AM
Poor Solar must be living in constant fear. Paranoid about everything he cannot understand which is a lot.
Getting personal is proof you've lost the debate. I exposed you for what you are, a racist lib and your response proves you have nothing beyond hate.
Pull this shit again and you're out of here.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 17, 2020, 08:02:23 AM
Tying It All Together: China, Dr. Fauci, French Company Sanofi Pasteur, George Soros and the Gates Foundation

In Steps Dr. Fauci and French Company Sanofi Pasteur
In 2006 there was an H5N1 outbreak in Asia and by June, human to human transmission was confirmed but no one in the US was infected at that time.  In response, the New York Department of Health concocted a response to this “pandemic.”  In a complete 180 from what is being done today, Dr. Anthony Fauci who has served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984, and New York City Mayor Bloomberg, recommended against a mandatory quarantine.

Soon after, in 2007, Dr. Fauci personally licensed and saw to the performance of clinical trials to create a vaccine for the H5N1 pandemic that was previously declared by Fauci.  The company that Fauci worked with to create and stockpile a vaccine for the avian flu was Sanofi Pasteur:

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The FDA has licensed Sanofi Pasteur’s H5N1 vaccine, the first avian flu vaccine for humans. Sanofi Pasteur, in collaboration with the National Institutes of Health, submitted a BLA to the FDA for the vaccine. The licensure is the first step in achieving the government’s goal of stockpiling vaccine to protect those who are at increased risk of exposure to the H5N1 flu virus contained in the vaccine during the early stages of a pandemic.

Fast forward to February 18, 2020, as America was preparing for the China coronavirus, the HHS engaged Sanofi Pasteur to help develop a coronavirus vaccine.  At the same time and through April, Dr. Fauci was arguing against the use of hydroxychloroquine as a cure for the China coronavirus:

The White House coronavirus task force had its biggest fight yet on Saturday, pitting economic adviser Peter Navarro against infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci. At issue: How enthusiastically should the White House tout the prospects of an antimalarial drug to fight COVID-19?

Peter Navaro reportedly was very angry with Fauci and supplied folders of studies showing how the anti-malaria drug worked against the coronavirus.   Navaro also reminded all in the room that it was Dr. Fauci who argued against President Trump’s travel ban with China in January.

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Sanofi Pasteur and George Soros
Sanofi Pasteur is related to one of the very first western labs located in the Republic of China.  One of it’s investors is George Soros.

Soros also invests in a company in Wuhan, China, where the Coronavirus outbreak began.  That company is called Wuxi AppTech, which just so happens, they develop vaccines too.  This company is also related to the former Head of the China Communist Party, Jiang Zemin.

One of the Vice President’s of French company Sanofi quit his job, and went to Wuxi AppTech.  Raymond J. Fitch also known as RJ, left Sanofi Pasteur, to serve as Vice President of manufacturing at Wuxi AppTech.

MORE~~~~

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/tying-together-china-dr-fauci-french-company-sanofi-pasteur-george-soros-gates-foundation/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Prospector on April 17, 2020, 09:32:13 AM
Me getting personal!!  Look back at what you have been posting.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 17, 2020, 10:06:11 AM
Me getting personal!!  Look back at what you have been posting.
At least I have the balls to post actual facts, it's you that get personal when you get your ass handed to you.

If you can't debate, then this isn't the forum for you!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on April 17, 2020, 10:15:51 AM
You people are so afraid of just about everything. If its not white Anglo Saxon you are terrified of it.

Hank Johnson is that you.......?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 17, 2020, 11:01:10 AM
When the bad news comes. :lol:
Watch all the way through...

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Prospector on April 17, 2020, 12:32:57 PM
Where is the proof of your so called facts. Probably from some alien conspiracy blog.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 17, 2020, 01:41:59 PM
Where is the proof of your so called facts. Probably from some alien conspiracy blog.
So you admit you ignore what I post? You aren't even a good troll, so don't even attempt this game with me, if you have some solid evidence to your claim, post it, otherwise stop wasting our time.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: redbeard on April 17, 2020, 02:40:28 PM
So you admit you ignore what I post? You aren't even a good troll, so don't even attempt this game with me, if you have some solid evidence to your claim, post it, otherwise stop wasting our time.
I see the numbers of Deaths climbing every day and today had a thought! With all the stay at home and social distancing what has happened to the yearly flu death rate? It has to be down! Be an interesting number to see. does it offset some of these really bad numbers of cov19 deaths? :confused:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 17, 2020, 04:50:29 PM
I see the numbers of Deaths climbing every day and today had a thought! With all the stay at home and social distancing what has happened to the yearly flu death rate? It has to be down! Be an interesting number to see. does it offset some of these really bad numbers of cov19 deaths? :confused:
Taxed and I were talking about that. The fact that no one is transmitting the flu, it might just end its cycle for a time. Wouldn't that be cool? :biggrin:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on April 18, 2020, 02:59:41 AM
Taxed and I were talking about that. The fact that no one is transmitting the flu, it might just end its cycle for a time. Wouldn't that be cool? :biggrin:

Or how about the ‘bundle theory’; every virus having symptoms mimicking COVID-19 (or vise-versa) in one form or another is concluded to be COVID-19.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 18, 2020, 04:59:33 AM
Or how about the ‘bundle theory’; every virus having symptoms mimicking COVID-19 (or vise-versa) in one form or another is concluded to be COVID-19.
Either way, they avoided other people and people wore masks, in the end, nipping this in the bud instead of making another circle around the globe.
Not only do I not know a single person who contracted the Chinese Virus, I don't know anyone that caught the flu and everyone I've talked to said the same, they don't know anyone personally, that caught anything.

Point being twofold, one being the virus was isolated to urban areas and two, the flu never got a chance to actually spread and circumnavigate the globe this year. Maybe next year will be almost nonexistent?

We're seeing a global experiment taking place, one of an historic nature.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on April 18, 2020, 11:32:10 AM
Either way, they avoided other people and people wore masks, in the end, nipping this in the bud instead of making another circle around the globe.
Not only do I not know a single person who contracted the Chinese Virus, I don't know anyone that caught the flu and everyone I've talked to said the same, they don't know anyone personally, that caught anything.

Point being twofold, one being the virus was isolated to urban areas and two, the flu never got a chance to actually spread and circumnavigate the globe this year. Maybe next year will be almost nonexistent?

We're seeing a global experiment taking place, one of an historic nature.

Throughout this entire experience a Yiddish proverb keeps coming to mind:
 Man makes his plans and God laughs!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 18, 2020, 12:58:02 PM
Throughout this entire experience a Yiddish proverb keeps coming to mind:
 Man makes his plans and God laughs!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Soooo True!!!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 19, 2020, 05:51:11 AM
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: supsalemgr on April 19, 2020, 07:46:48 AM

OOPPS!!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Prospector on April 19, 2020, 07:57:02 AM
I have read some of your posts but have seen no proof at all. Lots of opinions but no proof. Because someone writes a blog or creates a chart or website does not mean it is true.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 19, 2020, 08:03:43 AM
I have read some of your posts but have seen no proof at all. Lots of opinions but no proof. Because someone writes a blog or creates a chart or website does not mean it is true.
Then it's up to you to prove us wrong, isn't it? But we both know you won't try because you know we have no reason to lie, that's a leftist trait!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Prospector on April 19, 2020, 12:44:10 PM
You say prove us wrong. Who is "us"?  Not every conservative is your "us".  Paranoia abounds within your "us" but it is not everywhere.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 19, 2020, 02:48:00 PM
You say prove us wrong. Who is "us"?  Not every conservative is your "us".  Paranoia abounds within your "us" but it is not everywhere.
The Right in general dumb ass! Everything you've posted comes from leftist talking points, not one of which is based in fact.
There's a huge difference in the left and Right, had you not noticed. The left is always guilty of the things they claim we do, or had you not noticed that yet? And if you haven't yet pieced it together, they you love being willfully ignorant.
First you need to be your own skeptic, learn the difference between editorial piece and actual fact, because everything the left claims are based in the first.

Like I said, post one thing Trump is actually guilty of, just one. But like I said, you can't, they are all fabrications! But I'll wait while you scour the web.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Prospector on April 19, 2020, 05:15:51 PM
The Right in general is not you. You are part of the Right but on the fringe. Go talk to average conservatives not just the ones on the edge like you. It is relatively easy to gather a few hundred fringers for a protest or rally because that is their thing and it can make the news too. Why do you think there is not a 1/2 million or 2 million?   By the way you still have not provided actual proof of anything I have seen in your posts but maybe I missed one.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 19, 2020, 07:08:47 PM
The Right in general is not you. You are part of the Right but on the fringe. Go talk to average conservatives not just the ones on the edge like you. It is relatively easy to gather a few hundred fringers for a protest or rally because that is their thing and it can make the news too. Why do you think there is not a 1/2 million or 2 million?
The Right is the majority! You think I'm fringe, seriously? I'm just older and wiser...:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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By the way you still have not provided actual proof of anything I have seen in your posts but maybe I missed one.

Pick one and prove me wrong. But we all know you can't, that's what you want me to do your work for you.
It's akin to my claiming water is wet and fire is hot, it's all common knowledge. Though, with the exception of idiot libs. Is that the category you like living in, too stupid to recognize certain truths?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 20, 2020, 04:39:47 AM
COVID-19 Made in China!

In a major development Luc Montagnier, a Nobel Prize winning French virologist has confirmed the study conducted by Indian scientists concluding that COVID-19 was engineered with HIV (AIDS) like insertions. Readers of GreatGameIndia would remember that after we published the results of the study, it attracted heavy criticism from social media experts to an extent that even the authors were forced to retract their paper. The Nobel laureate’s confirmation has put all such amateur criticism to rest.

The French virologist Luc Montagnier was rewarded in 2008 with a Nobel Prize in Medicine for his discovery of the AIDS virus. In an interview with Why doctor?, on April 16, the professor explained that he does not believe that the COVID-19 came from a contamination in a market of wild animals of Wuhan. “It is a beautiful myth, it is not possible. The virus came out of a Wuhan laboratory” he said.

The French free-to-air news channel CNews reported Luc Montagnier saying:

“The Wuhan city laboratory has specialized in these coronaviruses since the early 2000s. They have expertise in this area,” he says. The professor explains having analyzed “in the smallest details” the sequence with his mathematician colleague Jean-Claude Perrez. “We were not the first, since a group of Indian researchers tried to publish a study which shows that the complete genome of this coronavirus [has] sequences of another virus, which is HIV, the virus AIDS”.

https://greatgameindia.com/nobel-prize-winner-french-virologist-confirm-covid-19-hiv-study/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Prospector on April 20, 2020, 08:49:03 AM
You are very quick to believe anything as long as it fits your thought pattern.
The Indian researchers work was invalidated fairly soon after their report was done and the report barely saw the light of day. Montagnier's claim is widely disputed among scientists and researchers as it is based on very little research and needs much further work to verify or not.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Prospector on April 20, 2020, 08:50:21 AM
I am not saying he is wrong but that it is too soon to know for sure.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 20, 2020, 10:04:55 AM
You are very quick to believe anything as long as it fits your thought pattern.
The Indian researchers work was invalidated fairly soon after their report was done and the report barely saw the light of day. Montagnier's claim is widely disputed among scientists and researchers as it is based on very little research and needs much further work to verify or not.
Typical lib, just believe whatever narrative China feeds our media. The idea is to post all news, not just what fits the narrative of the day because researchers will be battling this one for years to come.
Point is, they're shedding light on every possibility, and the scientist that discovered the HIV, knows more about it than most lay people, including you and I.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: taxed on April 20, 2020, 10:19:53 AM
Excellent interview with Kyle Bass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exASOIXH8So
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: taxed on April 20, 2020, 10:30:02 AM
At 22:00 is an important segment in the above Kyle Bass interview about medical supplies made in China...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on April 21, 2020, 01:03:32 PM
At 22:00 is an important segment in the above Kyle Bass interview about medical supplies made in China...

Don’t tell Governor Pritzker about this. China is his main supplier.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 21, 2020, 01:33:10 PM
At 22:00 is an important segment in the above Kyle Bass interview about medical supplies made in China...
Translation: China is about to enter in its worst depression in its entire history.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Bronx on April 22, 2020, 06:55:43 AM
Translation: China is about to enter in its worst depression in its entire history.

Hot mic at White House Press–    0:02 "You can take off the mask". 0:12  ‘We’re all vaccinated anyway’.  0:48 "So it's a Hoax".....?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3NYXJE-oe8




Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 22, 2020, 11:54:34 AM
There's a pretty good chance the wife and I already caught it. Same exact symptoms, still have that damn dry cough months later.

Timeline reset: CDC confirms weeks-earlier California deaths

Two people with the coronavirus died in California as many as three weeks before the U.S. reported its first death from the disease in late February — a gap that a top health official said Wednesday may have led to delays in imposing stay-at-home restrictions in the nation’s most populous state.

Dr. Sara Cody, health director in Northern California’s Santa Clara County, said the deaths were missed because of a scarcity of testing and the federal government’s limited guidance on who should be tested.

“If we had had widespread testing earlier and we were able to document the level of transmission in the county, if we had understood then people were already dying, yes, we probably would have acted earlier than we did,” she said.

The infections in the two patients were confirmed by way of post-mortem tissue samples that were sent to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for analysis.

The deaths in early and mid-February show that the virus was spreading in California well before officials realized it and that outbreaks were underway in at least two parts of the country at about the same time.

https://apnews.com/c508cfec44ba9b4b8b23e83a443aa0d7
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 26, 2020, 03:14:25 PM
What happens when you're you're hungry in a socialist country?

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Billy's bayonet on April 26, 2020, 05:08:20 PM
Whoever shot him TWICE is gonna be in real trouble, wasting the States bullets, KOMRADE when one would have done fine. Next they'll take a cue from the Khmer Rouge and beat people to death with crow bars or put plastic bags on their heads, rocks in their clothes and throw them in the river....the less people the more food.....
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 26, 2020, 06:28:54 PM
Whoever shot him TWICE is gonna be in real trouble, wasting the States bullets, KOMRADE when one would have done fine. Next they'll take a cue from the Khmer Rouge and beat people to death with crow bars or put plastic bags on their heads, rocks in their clothes and throw them in the river....the less people the more food.....
Yep, pikers. China uses viruses for crowd control and over population.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 27, 2020, 07:03:45 AM
If true, Cuomo is in serious trouble politically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=464&v=VUd8A4AOxFc&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Zouave on April 27, 2020, 05:05:37 PM
You put forward a highly disputed confirmation by  Montagnier without any proof that it is true. There is no way you can prove it is true but because it fits in to your preconceived ideas you believe it. You will not look at other possibilities or fact check because this story fits. Could be 100% wrong but that does not matter to you. You insist I must provide proof but it appears there is no need for you to do that.  Your post about Montagnier is proof of nothing.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 27, 2020, 06:06:17 PM
You put forward a highly disputed confirmation by  Montagnier without any proof that it is true. There is no way you can prove it is true but because it fits in to your preconceived ideas you believe it. You will not look at other possibilities or fact check because this story fits. Could be 100% wrong but that does not matter to you. You insist I must provide proof but it appears there is no need for you to do that.  Your post about Montagnier is proof of nothing.
Use the  quote function, no one has a clue what you're talking about.
This is no longer a request, start using the quote.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 30, 2020, 06:45:25 AM
Just More Evidence China Made and spread this virus...

CHINA Stole Remdesivir from Gilead then Tried to Patent the Drug in January — Knowing Months Ago It Would Treat Coronavirus and Trying to Make Money off the Pandemic

Evidence suggests that the coronavirus was not from a Wuhan wet market but came from a lab in the city. We still don’t know whether the deadly virus was leaked intentionally or if it was an accident.
But we do know that the Chinese attempted to market a cure for the coronavirus to the world in January after the virus began to spread.
China was going to cash in on their pandemic.

We reported earlier  in late March FOX News host Tucker Carlson reported on a CHINESE study in the Western press on the origin of the novel coronavirus. The study concluded the deadly virus came out of local laboratories in Hubei Province. The smoking gun in the study was the viral link to horseshoe bats which are not sold in local wet markets and are not native to Wuhan. In fact the closest colony is 900 kilometers away. There is no evidence horseshoe bats were sold in the Wuhan wet markets. The local labs used this bat specimen and the virus likely came from a lab in Wuhan.

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/all-in-family-2.jpg)

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Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 30, 2020, 08:38:10 AM
Im going to post this tweet  to demonstrate  why there will not  be a fast  bounce  back


Yossi Gestetner
@YossiGestetner
·
24m
.@MattWalshBlog
 @Zigmanfreud
 Why would anyone serve you in a retail shop for $500 a week in May-June when they can sit home for $800+ a week unemployment? I agree that the lockdowns caused a huge portion of the 30 million unemployed, but the $600/week from Congress made it worse!

Worse  indeed. I  dont  know  if  people are aware that  in addition to normal unemployment Trump and  congress are  paying  people an additional 600 a week not to work. Alot  of  people arent  going to be eager to work for  less than they can make  tax free  sitting at  home.
Congress and trump are equally to blame here. Trump has sided with democrats that govt is the solution and that means a very agonizingly slow recovery which wont help trump win re-election. Trump agrees with dems, pay people more than they can earn and why bother working. And dems will want the extra 600 extended indefinitely and  Trump cave and  do it.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on April 30, 2020, 08:41:25 AM
Im going to post this tweet  to demonstrate  why there will not  be a fast  bounce  back


Yossi Gestetner
@YossiGestetner
·
24m
.@MattWalshBlog
 @Zigmanfreud
 Why would anyone serve you in a retail shop for $500 a week in May-June when they can sit home for $800+ a week unemployment? I agree that the lockdowns caused a huge portion of the 30 million unemployed, but the $600/week from Congress made it worse!

Worse  indeed. I  dont  know  if  people are aware that  in addition to normal unemployment Trump and  congress are  paying  people an additional 600 a week not to work. Alot  of  people arent  going to be eager to work for  less than they can make  tax free  sitting at  home.
Congress and trump are equally to blame here. Trump has sided with democrats that govt is the solution and that means a very agonizingly slow recovery which wont help trump win re-election. Trump agrees with dems, pay people more than they can earn and why bother working. And dems will want the extra 600 extended indefinitely and  Trump cave and  do it.


That's why I went ahead and retired at 62, because I made more on SS than working as an in-home health care worker...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 30, 2020, 08:53:38 AM

That's why I went ahead and retired at 62, because I made more on SS than working as an in-home health care worker...

I  have  no idea where this  fast  bounceback idea  came from. Just  not  going to happen. Trump is  completely  lost  now and  his  only anser seems more and  more  govt  money, i mean taxpayer money, no, i mean more  phony  money. Oh  and  i guarantee that trump isalso going to cave  on bailing  out states which takes away any incentive to re-open.  For  3+ years Trump unleashed the free market  and we  prospered and  now  he  has turned  his  back on it and we are going to suffer for  a very  very  long time
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on April 30, 2020, 09:10:11 AM
I  have  no idea where this  fast  bounceback idea  came from. Just  not  going to happen. Trump is  completely  lost  now and  his  only anser seems more and  more  govt  money, i mean taxpayer money, no, i mean more  phony  money. Oh  and  i guarantee that trump isalso going to cave  on bailing  out states which takes away any incentive to re-open.  For  3+ years Trump unleashed the free market  and we  prospered and  now  he  has turned  his  back on it and we are going to suffer for  a very  very  long time


I could be way off here...   But, I sort of suspect that Trump plans on doing something where the slate is wiped clean, and we sort of start from scratch, and then he switches our monetary system...    But, who really KNOWS what's up his sleeve?  I KNOW he's got a plan, he just hasn't let us in on it yet.


Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on April 30, 2020, 10:42:26 AM

I could be way off here...   But, I sort of suspect that Trump plans on doing something where the slate is wiped clean, and we sort of start from scratch, and then he switches our monetary system...    But, who really KNOWS what's up his sleeve?  I KNOW he's got a plan, he just hasn't let us in on it yet.

If  my plans  had worked  out  i would  be  married to Brooke right  now, the  most  beautiful girl that will ever  live, have a fortune  of  billions, and be  laughing at all the  locked down idiots while  i live  on my private  island. Trump might  have  some  secret  plan, lets hope so because  the  current  one sucks.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on April 30, 2020, 03:48:42 PM
I  have  no idea where this  fast  bounceback idea  came from. Just  not  going to happen. Trump is  completely  lost  now and  his  only anser seems more and  more  govt  money, i mean taxpayer money, no, i mean more  phony  money. Oh  and  i guarantee that trump isalso going to cave  on bailing  out states which takes away any incentive to re-open. For  3+ years Trump unleashed the free market  and we  prospered and  now  he  has turned  his  back on it and we are going to suffer for  a very  very  long time
Where do you get your "facts"? You can not back any of this up. Prove me wrong.
 States are opening up because the American people are demanding it. Trump is demanding it. It was the states and cities that closed down businesses, Trump did not close anything. The stock market is coming back, the price of oil is coming back. People have not stopped believing in Trump. Damn, your posts tell me you are more scared than anyone I have seen out there.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on April 30, 2020, 05:05:40 PM
I  have  no idea where this  fast  bounceback idea  came from. Just  not  going to happen. Trump is  completely  lost  now and  his  only anser seems more and  more  govt  money, i mean taxpayer money, no, i mean more  phony  money. Oh  and  i guarantee that trump isalso going to cave  on bailing  out states which takes away any incentive to re-open.  For  3+ years Trump unleashed the free market  and we  prospered and  now  he  has turned  his  back on it and we are going to suffer for  a very  very  long time
Define "very  very  long time"...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on May 01, 2020, 05:39:20 PM
I  have  no idea where this  fast  bounceback idea  came from. Just  not  going to happen. Trump is  completely  lost  now and  his  only anser seems more and  more  govt  money, i mean taxpayer money, no, i mean more  phony  money. Oh  and  i guarantee that trump isalso going to cave  on bailing  out states which takes away any incentive to re-open.  For  3+ years Trump unleashed the free market  and we  prospered and  now  he  has turned  his  back on it and we are going to suffer for  a very  very  long time
https://www.dailywire.com/news/gallup-trump-approval-flips-reaches-record-high-among-independents
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 01, 2020, 05:41:20 PM
This is no pandemic.  It's a DEMPANIC.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 01, 2020, 08:44:54 PM
This is no pandemic.  It's a DEMPANIC.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on May 02, 2020, 05:20:34 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EW-2vFLWsAEjQho?format=jpg&name=large)


Golly gee,  now the  CDC is saying  what  i have  been saying  for  weeks. Comparable to a severe  flu season but when the  actual number  of  infected the death rate  might  end  up lower than the flu and  it will be  comparable to a  mild season
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on May 02, 2020, 05:41:52 AM
(https://scontent.forf1-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/95387717_10222864802711843_2734733482705027072_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_oc=AQkTA-gH_oB8PHRAIApvknDou4X2Vsxrx3VGBU8-0ORV-5sEKPSliUVQJiLK4NYS9d4ZKvGxnfXONwFGIiBC7qqp&_nc_ht=scontent.forf1-4.fna&oh=403c348b62742bc76a68d5b12f00b542&oe=5ED3BD52)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on May 02, 2020, 05:59:50 AM
This is no pandemic.  It's a DEMPANIC.

Nicely done!!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: supsalemgr on May 02, 2020, 06:29:14 AM
Where do you get your "facts"? You can not back any of this up. Prove me wrong.
 States are opening up because the American people are demanding it. Trump is demanding it. It was the states and cities that closed down businesses, Trump did not close anything. The stock market is coming back, the price of oil is coming back. People have not stopped believing in Trump. Damn, your posts tell me you are more scared than anyone I have seen out there.

He just throws stuff against the wall hoping some of it will stick.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: VVet69 on May 02, 2020, 07:28:11 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EW-2vFLWsAEjQho?format=jpg&name=large)


Golly gee,  now the  CDC is saying  what  i have  been saying  for  weeks. Comparable to a severe  flu season but when the  actual number  of  infected the death rate  might  end  up lower than the flu and  it will be  comparable to a  mild season

Here is the link to the current full update:  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/pdf/covidview-05-01-2020.pdf (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/pdf/covidview-05-01-2020.pdf)

Link to the COVIDView page, appears to be updated weekly: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html)

Lots of statistical details...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on May 02, 2020, 07:41:42 AM
thanks
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on May 02, 2020, 07:47:28 AM
(https://conservativerepublic.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/26042360-8118415-image-a-49_1584389085188.jpg)

These are the  first  guidelines trump issued and  please refer to guideline  #1. FOLLOW you state  and  local govt  instructions. No, Trump cant  personally  a  lock a state  down but  he  told  people to do what the  dictators told them to do.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 02, 2020, 09:32:03 AM
There were 20 deaths in the local nursing home..>It WAS originally an Avante nursing home.   You can change Avante's name on a weekly basis but it is not going to change the quality of nursing in that home.   Like...it's pathetic.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 02, 2020, 09:40:24 AM
FIVE things we have learned from the Coronavirus Hoax.


1) Our government lacks basic competence, even in comparison to other governments: Everyone with half a brain knows that comparing the private sector to the government is like comparing flying cross country to driving cross country. That being said, if you are driving cross country, you’re much better off driving a new BMW than a 1987 Yugo. When you see a worldwide crisis like the Coronavirus, you might think that the United States would be leading the way, but actually it’s Denmark and South Korea. Denmark is leading the way with their economic ideas for the crisis (offering to cover 75-90% of employee salaries in hard-hit industries to try to prevent mass firings) and South Korea has been the best at fighting the virus (mass testing including widely available drive-thru testing, thoroughly tracing & quarantining individual cases and letting the public know where they’ve been, hand sanitizer everywhere). Depending on your political leanings, you might blame our problems on Trump’s verbal gaffes or Democrats trying to use the virus as an excuse to push their pet projects for our less than stellar performance, but those are symptoms, not the disease. We have a hidebound, legalistic bureaucracy that’s almost uniformly incompetent and our political culture is centered around politicians saying things we want to hear, not getting results or achievements. Until we demand more, we’re going to be stuck with a Burger King quality government even though we’re paying enough to have Gordon Ramsay make us a 5-course meal.
 

https://rightwingnews.com/column-2/5-long-term-lessons-we-have-already-learned-from-the-coronavirus-crisis/

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 02, 2020, 12:37:13 PM
You've all heard how the virus wasn't modified, right? You decide.

CREATING MORE DEADLY VIRUSES
The Western governments’ research paper confirms this.

It notes a 2013 study conducted by a team of researchers, including Dr Shi, who collected a sample of horseshoe bat faeces from a cave in Yunnan province, China, which was later found to contain a virus 96.2 per cent identical to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that caused COVID-19.

The research dossier also references work done by the team to synthesise SARS-like coronaviruses, to analyse whether they could be transmissible from bats to mammals. This means they were altering parts of the virus to test whether it was transmissible to different species.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/coronavirus/bombshell-dossier-lays-out-case-against-chinese-bat-virus-program/news-story/55add857058731c9c71c0e96ad17da60
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 02, 2020, 06:47:20 PM
This report was done in 2008. I have no idea how I stumbled across this, I literally found it open on my computer.


Potential Emergence of a Global Pandemic

The emergence of a novel, highly transmissible, and virulent human respiratory illness for which
there are no adequate countermeasures could initiate a global pandemic. If a pandemic disease
emerges by 2025, internal and cross-border tension and conflict will become more likely as
nations struggle—with degraded capabilities—to control the movement of populations seeking to
avoid infection or maintain access to resources.

The emergence of a pandemic disease depends upon the natural genetic mutation or reassortment
of currently circulating disease strains or the emergence of a new pathogen into the human
population. Experts consider highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) strains, such as H5N1,
to be likely candidates for such a transformation, but other pathogens—such as the SARS
coronavirus or other influenza strains—also have this potential.

If a pandemic disease emerges, it probably will first occur in an area marked by high population
density and close association between humans and animals, such as many areas of China and
Southeast Asia, where human populations live in close proximity to livestock. Unregulated
animal husbandry practices could allow a zoonotic disease such as H5N1 to circulate in livestock
populations—increasing the opportunity for mutation into a strain with pandemic potential. To
propagate effectively, a disease would have to be transmitted to areas of higher population
density.

Under such a scenario, inadequate health-monitoring capability within the nation of origin
probably would prevent early identification of the disease. Slow public health response would
delay the realization that a highly transmissible pathogen had emerged.
Weeks might pass before definitive laboratory results could be obtained confirming the existence of a disease with
pandemic potential. In the interim, clusters of the disease would begin to appear in towns and
cities within Southeast Asia.

Despite limits imposed on international travel, travelers with mild
symptoms or who were asymptomatic could carry the disease to other continents.
Waves of new cases would occur every few months. The absence of an effective vaccine and
near universal lack of immunity would render populations vulnerable to infection.

 In this worstcase, tens to hundreds of millions of Americans within the US Homeland would become ill and
deaths would mount into the tens of millions. Outside the US, critical infrastructure degradation
and economic loss on a global scale would result as approximately a third of the worldwide
population became ill and hundreds of millions died.
_____________________________

 US and global health organizations currently are working to develop vaccines that may prevent or
mitigate influenza pandemics. A breakthrough in the next several years could reduce the risk posed by
pandemic influenza during upcoming decades.

 How fast a disease spreads, how many people become sick, how long they stay sick, the mortality rate,
and the symptoms and after-effects will vary according to the specific characteristics of whatever
pathogen is responsible for a pandemic. This scenario posits plausible characteristics that fall within a
range of possibilities for these variables.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Newsroom/Reports%20and%20Pubs/2025_Global_Trends_Final_Report.pdf
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on May 03, 2020, 12:09:57 PM
Andy Biggs, House rep from AZ gets  it, but  something  is wrong with the  picture.

Rep Andy Biggs
"@RepAndyBiggsAZ
Another highlight of the Fauci-Birx doctrine of destruction

Forcing people to hunker in their homes for a period of time abrogates the essence of America because it restricts our rights.

Stalin would have been content with the ramification of these sentiments. No more!"

I  agree with him completely that  fauci/birx are stalinists but  who keeps  bringing them on stage every  single  day? TRUMP!! You can go thru more and  more rep twitter pages and  its  crystal clear they see opening  up as  the  only  way  they have a  chance to win and so far birx/fauci are doing  everything they can to stop that. I  guess trump has a secret  plan.

On the  "fauci/birx doctrine  of  destruction"(i think he  is  right) they created the  doctrine with full knowlege of trump. They  display it  right  in front  of him at  every  update. At what  point  is  it  trump's  doctrine as well?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 03, 2020, 12:18:51 PM
Andy Biggs, House rep from AZ gets  it, but  something  is wrong with the  picture.

Rep Andy Biggs
"@RepAndyBiggsAZ
Another highlight of the Fauci-Birx doctrine of destruction

Forcing people to hunker in their homes for a period of time abrogates the essence of America because it restricts our rights.

Stalin would have been content with the ramification of these sentiments. No more!"

I  agree with him completely that  fauci/birx are stalinists but  who keeps  bringing them on stage every  single  day? TRUMP!! You can go thru more and  more rep twitter pages and  its  crystal clear they see opening  up as  the  only  way  they have a  chance to win and so far birx/fauci are doing  everything they can to stop that. I  guess trump has a secret  plan.

On the  "fauci/birx doctrine  of  destruction"(i think he  is  right) they created the  doctrine with full knowlege of trump. They  display it  right  in front  of him at  every  update. At what  point  is  it  trump's  doctrine as well?
Yes he does, but you're too damned biased to see it.

Trump is giving the left just what they want, cover for their dictator Governors in blue states.
While inner city libs are suffering the consequences of those they supported, as the rest of the country is opening up.

What do you think all these libs are thinking as they see GOP run states regaining a sense of normalcy while they sit and stew in a Dim dictatorship?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on May 03, 2020, 12:36:58 PM
Yes he does, but you're too damned biased to see it.

Trump is giving the left just what they want, cover for their dictator Governors in blue states.
While inner city libs are suffering the consequences of those they supported, as the rest of the country is opening up.

What do you think all these libs are thinking as they see GOP run states regaining a sense of normalcy while they sit and stew in a Dim dictatorship?

I think they see  victory. As  i have stated  before the way to look at this  politically is to look at when or  if dem states  open up. If there  is a sudden rush for  them to open up then its  clear they think staying  closed  isnt working. So far  i dont see any  big  rush to open.

Trump should  be saying  what  Napolitano is saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88IvI8GxjC8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88IvI8GxjC8)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 03, 2020, 01:24:32 PM
I think they see  victory. As  i have stated  before the way to look at this  politically is to look at when or  if dem states  open up. If there  is a sudden rush for  them to open up then its  clear they think staying  closed  isnt working. So far  i dont see any  big  rush to open.

Trump should  be saying  what  Napolitano is saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88IvI8GxjC8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88IvI8GxjC8)
Did what I just say completely go over your head? I said the left lost, even doubling down on stupid. Even Ca Governor Nuisance is backing down because the Sheriffs are refusing to enforce unconstitutional laws.
Yet Whitmer, a Soros clone thinks she has the authority to play dictator, and the people are pissed. How is that not a wake up call to the left that put her worthless ass in office.
Then we have Twitter banning Candice Owens for calling her out and telling people to ignore her. Tell me libs aren't seeing this and rethinking the mistakes they've been making in reelecting these idiots.

The left has lost! Trump has won!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 03, 2020, 03:56:36 PM
I think they see  victory. As  i have stated  before the way to look at this  politically is to look at when or  if dem states  open up. If there  is a sudden rush for  them to open up then its  clear they think staying  closed  isnt working. So far  i dont see any  big  rush to open.

Trump should  be saying  what  Napolitano is saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88IvI8GxjC8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88IvI8GxjC8)
Case in point!

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 03, 2020, 04:16:10 PM
excuse me??!!

I hope every last one of them open up.  And where is the damn ACLU?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 03, 2020, 05:26:12 PM
excuse me??!!

I hope every last one of them open up.  And where is the damn ACLU?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
As if they were ever for actual Liberties...
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on May 03, 2020, 06:19:00 PM
excuse me??!!

I hope every last one of them open up.  And where is the damn ACLU?

The  ACLU  loves destroying the  private sector. My question is  where  is  Barr and Trump? I read where  barr  is disturbed, but  still no lawsuits  filed.

Meanwhile Andy is  getting  more restless

Rep Andy Biggs
@RepAndyBiggsAZ
·
53m
Important point by President @realDonaldTrump
.

Add that to Dr Fauci’s prior assertion that the economic effects and devastation from this shutdown are merely inconvenient for Americans.

Dr Fauci can no longer be one of the primary voices in this crisis.

As  of today he still is.

This  is the guy  who should  be  up there with trump, and  he  hates  trump, dr  katz. listen to the  whole  video even if  it  is  bill maher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lze-rMYLf2E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lze-rMYLf2E)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on May 03, 2020, 06:35:22 PM
He  makes good  points about the death rate being far  lower than reported, and the false  idea  that  everyone  must  be tested.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 04, 2020, 04:36:21 AM
The  ACLU  loves destroying the  private sector. My question is  where  is  Barr and Trump? I read where  barr  is disturbed, but  still no lawsuits  filed.

Meanwhile Andy is  getting  more restless

Rep Andy Biggs
@RepAndyBiggsAZ
·
53m
Important point by President @realDonaldTrump
.

Add that to Dr Fauci’s prior assertion that the economic effects and devastation from this shutdown are merely inconvenient for Americans.

Dr Fauci can no longer be one of the primary voices in this crisis.

As  of today he still is.

This  is the guy  who should  be  up there with trump, and  he  hates  trump, dr  katz. listen to the  whole  video even if  it  is  bill maher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lze-rMYLf2E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lze-rMYLf2E)
You're like a fuckin broken record. You know absolutely nothing about how our justice system works yet ask stupid questions why isn't Barr and Trump involved?
I swear, you destroy whatever bell curve we have going on this forum. Does the word embarrass even enter your vocabulary?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 04, 2020, 07:39:55 AM
Covid19...the only thing made in China that works. 
Title: Coronavirus mortality rates by country
Post by: Patrick2 on May 04, 2020, 04:29:35 PM
5,8 15.2

The covid mortality RATE is 15.2 in the UK, and 5.8 in the US.  Garsh, what happened to that wunnerful NHS socialized medicine?  Likewise all the other euroweenies except Germany are worse than the US.  I watch BBC news, and they keep grimly announcing the death TOTAL in the US, probably to make the UK not look so bad, leaving out that the US has five times as many people.



https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Title: Re: Coronavirus mortality rates by country
Post by: American Loving Norwegian on May 05, 2020, 01:09:49 AM
5,8 15.2

The covid mortality RATE is 15.2 in the UK, and 5.8 in the US.  Garsh, what happened to that wunnerful NHS socialized medicine?  Likewise all the other euroweenies except Germany are worse than the US.  I watch BBC news, and they keep grimly announcing the death TOTAL in the US, probably to make the UK not look so bad, leaving out that the US has five times as many people.



https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

I agree with this so much!!! Ive been trying to tell people this for a month now or something, but I get Asked "why do you support a facist leader" "youre such a Trumpist " etc 🙄 apparently supporting  facts makes me a trump supporter 😂😂
Title: Re: Coronavirus mortality rates by country
Post by: drifter106 on May 05, 2020, 01:40:47 AM
I agree with this so much!!! Ive been trying to tell people this for a month now or something, but I get Asked "why do you support a facist leader" "youre such a Trumpist " etc 🙄 apparently supporting  facts makes me a trump supporter 😂😂

Your getting a front row seat of MSM feeding them their kool aid... :biggrin:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on May 05, 2020, 04:25:36 AM
You're like a fuckin broken record. You know absolutely nothing about how our justice system works yet ask stupid questions why isn't Barr and Trump involved?
I swear, you destroy whatever bell curve we have going on this forum. Does the word embarrass even enter your vocabulary?

You mean Trump cant  hold  up the  constitution at  every corona  update and tell people they are  under  no obligation to obey  dictates? And he cant tell law enforcement they are  under  no obligation to enforce  dictates?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 05, 2020, 05:22:04 AM
You mean Trump cant  hold  up the  constitution at  every corona  update and tell people they are  under  no obligation to obey  dictates? And he cant tell law enforcement they are  under  no obligation to enforce  dictates?
He's letting the left bury themselves,by following the Constitution!
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 05, 2020, 03:57:17 PM
If they were serious about stopping this virus, why didn't they check passengers BEFORE they got on the plane.  Now, if there were people carring the virus, it's already exposed everyone else in such a close environment, and sucking it through the air vents.  Some passengers who didn't have it before, probably would by they time they deboarded...
Title: A Chinese Pattern Emerges: First Fentanyl, Now Coronavirus
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 05, 2020, 05:18:06 PM
There are people in China and America, some with connections to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, who are upset with reports that the coronavirus is linked to the lab. They want to blame President Trump for a plague unleashed by China. But it turns out there are many controversial labs in Wuhan. Some “study” viruses. Some produce fentanyl.

A fascinating article in the Los Angeles Times reveals that before Wuhan became known for a virus killing tens of thousands of people, it was the main source of fentanyl, described as the deadliest drug to ever hit U.S. streets, which is also killing tens of thousands of people. Datelined Mexico City, the Los Angeles Times article began, “For drug traffickers interested in getting in on the fentanyl business, all roads once led to Wuhan.” It reported, “Vendors there shipped huge quantities around the world. The biggest customers were Mexican drug cartels, which have embraced fentanyl in recent years because it is cheaper and easier to produce than heroin.”

Senator Tom Cotton: “The Chinese government is the world’s largest drug dealer”
“The Chinese government is the world’s largest drug dealer,” says Senator Tom Cotton. “China has allowed fentanyl and other synthetic opioids to pour into the United States for years, killing tens of thousands of Americans.” Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer agrees, saying, “We must hold China, currently the world’s largest producer of illicit fentanyl, accountable for its role in the trade of this deadly drug.” Their Fentanyl Sanctions Act was included in the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2020.

But now we find our nation engulfed in another made-in-China health crisis.

ARTICLE CONTINUED:  https://canadafreepress.com/article/a-chinese-pattern-emerges-first-fentanyl-now-coronavirus (https://canadafreepress.com/article/a-chinese-pattern-emerges-first-fentanyl-now-coronavirus)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 06, 2020, 04:06:26 AM
In Your Face Judge!

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 06, 2020, 04:29:58 AM
In Your Face Judge!


Dallas salon owner who refused to close sentenced to 7 days in jail, ordered to pay fines

A Dallas salon owner who has continued offering services despite a citation, cease-and-desist letter and a restraining order was sentenced on Monday to seven days in jail.

In Tuesday afternoon's hearing, Dallas Civil District Judge Eric Moyé also ordered her to pay thousands in fines for refusing to shut down her salon in violation of shelter in place orders.

Salon a la Mode owner Shelley Luther reopened on April 30 even though the state has required non-essential businesses to close in response to the coronavirus pandemic. Gov. Greg Abbott announced Tuesday that salons will be allowed to reopen Friday.

The judge heard testimony from a Dallas code inspector and a Dallas police officer who both testified they saw clients inside the salon getting haircuts and manicures over the last seven days despite Moyé's rulings.

City attorneys argued Luther willfully and flagrantly violated Judge Moyé's order.

Video...
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-salon-owner-refused-close-sentenced-7-days-jail-ordered-pay-fines/287-beefb4d5-4bc9-4ecd-9661-420c14c75ce9
Title: Hair-salon owner ordered freed from jail
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 06, 2020, 01:07:17 PM
With the backing of the Republican governor, the Texas attorney general is urging a Dallas judge to free a salon owner he jailed Tuesday after she refused to apologize for keeping her business open in violation of the governor's coronavirus order.

The office of Attorney General Ken Paxton told Dallas County State District Judge Eric Moyé in a letter that he abused his discretion when he "unjustly jailed" Shelly Luther for seven days, Fox News reported.

In a tweet, Paxton said Luther "should immediately be released from jail."

"Locking her up is a misguided abuse of power, especially considering Dallas County released real criminals to 'protect them from COVID-19,'" he wrote.


A GoFundMe campaign has been launched on Luther's behalf, with some $290,000 already donated.



ARTICLE & VIDEO CONTINUED:  https://www.wnd.com/2020/05/hair-salon-owner-ordered-freed-jail/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=wnd-breaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=breaking (https://www.wnd.com/2020/05/hair-salon-owner-ordered-freed-jail/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=wnd-breaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=breaking)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 06, 2020, 01:12:38 PM
UPDATE!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has called for the “immediate release” of a Dallas salon owner who was arrested and sent to jail for opening her business in defiance of Gov. Greg Abbott’s stay-at-home orders.

Shelley Luther, owner of Salon A La Mode, was sentenced to seven days in jail Tuesday after Dallas judge Eric Moye said she violated those orders as the coronavirus pandemic continues.

Paxton said he believes the judge is abusing his authority and that her arrest seems like a “political stunt.” In a full statement, Paxton said:

“I find it outrageous and out of touch that during this national pandemic, a judge, in a county that actually released hardened criminals for fear of contracting COVID-19, would jail a mother for operating her hair salon in an attempt to put food on her family’s table,” said Attorney General Paxton. “The trial judge did not need to lock up Shelley Luther. His order is a shameful abuse of judicial discretion, which seems like another political stunt in Dallas. He should release Ms. Luther immediately.”

The attorney general sent a letter to Moye, saying her sentencing was “significantly overbroad.” He mentioned that Abbott’s new executive order will allow her to operate business starting on Friday.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/05/06/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-immediate-release-jailed-dallas-salon-owner-shelley-luther/
Title: Re: Hair-salon owner ordered freed from jail
Post by: Solar on May 06, 2020, 01:27:13 PM
Already posted. I have a running post on this.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/wuflu/msg407133/#new
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 06, 2020, 03:10:31 PM
Update Project Veritas

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 06, 2020, 03:17:09 PM
Greg Abbot and Ken Paxton both condemned the jailing of Shelley Luther.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/abbott-paxton-condemn-jailing-shelley-luther
Title: Re: Coronavirus mortality rates by country
Post by: Mjolnir on May 06, 2020, 09:43:41 PM


5,8 15.2

The covid mortality RATE is 15.2 in the UK, and 5.8 in the US.  Garsh, what happened to that wunnerful NHS socialized medicine?  Likewise all the other euroweenies except Germany are worse than the US.  I watch BBC news, and they keep grimly announcing the death TOTAL in the US, probably to make the UK not look so bad, leaving out that the US has five times as many people.



https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

This post is a good example of shallow analysis, perhaps exacerbated by some confirmation bias.  To get a more complete and useful picture for a comparison, you would have to cross-reference a number of factors that affect spread and mortality rates including population density and the trends for new cases and deaths.  For goodness sake, where we are now is not where we are going to be.

Take the US and Belgium, for example.  Belgium has 720 deaths per million, the US 226.  Is the US doing better?  Yes, so far.  This site has data by country, and if you look at the Belgium projections you will see that Belgium peaked around April 12th for deaths, and has dropped considerably since.  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/belgium/
The U.S. peak so far was on May 1st, more than two weeks later, and is only gradually falling.  We may not yet have reached the middle of woods, whereas Belgium pretty clearly is on its way out.

Daily new cases has fallen dramatically in Belgium, but is more or less consistent in the States.  Both the UK and the US do not look good in this respect.

The U.S. has 94 people/sq.mile, Belgium has 383, over 4x more.  The UK is 259.  In a heavily urban environment the virus will spread so much faster, especially when you can be an asymptomatic carrier.  As for the culpability of the health care system, it depends on how it is managed.  If you get swamped you get swamped.  No one was really prepared for this pandemic.

The administration has done an abysmal job handling Covid-19, in almost every respect.  Solar began this thread on Jan 21st, and the White House knew Covid-19 was going to be a big problem well before that. 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Mjolnir on May 06, 2020, 09:52:34 PM
This is no pandemic.  It's a DEMPANIC.

Please provide a rational, science based justification for that remark.  Clever word play aside, what you say is insulting to so many who are suffering, dying, and taking great risks for everyone's benefit, e.g. health care workers, grocery store employees, etc.
Title: CA To Remove COVID-19 Patients From Homes Based On ‘Living Situattion’ — Will
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 05:58:01 AM
Officials in Ventura County, California will be expanding coronavirus testing, tracking the infected and those who they’ve been in contact with, and moving people out of their homes and into specialized housing for COVID-19 patients.

Discussing the need to hire contact tracers and manage active cases, Ventura County Public Health Director Dr. Robert Levin said during a May 4 press conference that people who live in homes where they could expose family members to COVID-19 would be moved into ‘other kinds of housing’ provided by the county.

“We also realize that as we find more contacts, some of the people we find are going to have trouble being isolated,” said Levin. “For instance, if they live in a home where there is only one bathroom and there are three or four other people living there, and those people don’t have COVID infection, we’re not going to be able to keep the person in that home.

Every person who we’re isolating, for instance, needs to have their own bathroom. And so we’ll be moving people like this into other kinds of housing that we have available.”

Watch:


ARTICLE & VIDEO CONTINUED:  https://patriottruthnews.com/economy/california-county-to-remove-covid-19-patients-from-homes-based-on-living-situation-will-place-in-other-kinds-of-housing/ (https://patriottruthnews.com/economy/california-county-to-remove-covid-19-patients-from-homes-based-on-living-situation-will-place-in-other-kinds-of-housing/)


Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 07, 2020, 06:13:52 AM
Please provide a rational, science based justification for that remark.  Clever word play aside, what you say is insulting to so many who are suffering, dying, and taking great risks for everyone's benefit, e.g. health care workers, grocery store employees, etc.
He will, only after you get an anal stick-ectomy. People are becoming callous because of the Marxist left, so lighten up Mildred, it's called Gallows Humor.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: WMK on May 07, 2020, 08:21:16 AM
He will, only after you get an anal stick-ectomy. People are becoming callous because of the Marxist left, so lighten up Mildred, it's called Gallows Humor.

Have a heart, Solar. Have you forgotten? Today, EVERYTHING is a drama -nothing short of life & death. So be tender and gentle. And this so called “Gallows Humor” you speak of is harsh...probably rooted in some barbarian culture of the past :laugh:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 07, 2020, 09:14:25 AM
Have a heart, Solar. Have you forgotten? Today, EVERYTHING is a drama -nothing short of life & death. So be tender and gentle. And this so called “Gallows Humor” you speak of is harsh...probably rooted in some barbarian culture of the past :laugh:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Damn, I forgot my Kid gloves again. Yeah, you nailed me for the barbarian I am, you know, typical American belief in the laws of Nature, the same principles our Nation was Founded upon.
God, I sure can be a heartless shit when it comes to libs "Feelings". :biggrin:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: ldub23 on May 07, 2020, 09:27:08 AM
Trump should  have the  salon owner  at  his  corona updates as soon as  possible.
Title: AP Exclusive: US shelves detailed guide to reopening country
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 09:36:15 AM
The Trump administration has shelved a document created by the nation’s top disease investigators with step-by-step advice to local authorities on how and when to reopen restaurants and other public places during the still-raging coronavirus outbreak.

The 17-page report by a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention team, titled “Guidance for Implementing the Opening Up America Again Framework,” was researched and written to help faith leaders, business owners, educators and state and local officials as they begin to reopen.

It was supposed to be published last Friday, but agency scientists were told the guidance “would never see the light of day,” according to a CDC official. The official was not authorized to talk to reporters and spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity.

The AP obtained a copy from a second federal official who was not authorized to release it. The guidance was described in AP stories last week, prior to the White House decision to shelve it.


ARTICLE CONTINUED:  https://apnews.com/7a00d5fba3249e573d2ead4bd323a4d4 (https://apnews.com/7a00d5fba3249e573d2ead4bd323a4d4)
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 07, 2020, 09:38:23 AM
Please provide a rational, science based justification for that remark.  Clever word play aside, what you say is insulting to so many who are suffering, dying, and taking great risks for everyone's benefit, e.g. health care workers, grocery store employees, etc.

Rational? Science?   Is there any such animal anymore?  LOL   No.   The amount of over estimation, scaring the populace with 'models', past history of gleefully awaiting catastrophe upon the US and its people. And having lived a bit with some recognition of what has happened in the past, makes me more than a tad suspicious of this whole thing.

INSULTING is it?  Insulting to those suffering and dying, and taking great risks for everyone's benefit.   PERHAPS if the states had recognized those at greatest risk they would not have placed covid patients INSIDE nursing home facilities...and perhaps they would  not have allowed covid 19 positive workers to continue to 'serve' inside those same nursing homes, then we wouldn't have had the death count that the elderly warehouse have been exposed.  I'm probably not gonna provide you with a link on these two referenced actions.  You ought to know about them if you're paying attention.

and you know what else might have helped...that those nurses and doctors and aides not taken the time to choreograph and video their dance moves and skits for the public while their patients ARE DYING.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 07, 2020, 09:41:32 AM
Please provide a rational, science based justification for that remark.  Clever word play aside, what you say is insulting to so many who are suffering, dying, and taking great risks for everyone's benefit, e.g. health care workers, grocery store employees, etc.

are you from the UK?   Because I can't imagine that this nation has passed that degree of pussification.  CLOSE but not quite there yet.
Title: Re: CA To Remove COVID-19 Patients From Homes Based On ‘Living Situattion’ — Will
Post by: karen on May 07, 2020, 09:45:22 AM
Our governor of washington state basically said the same thing ... Of course the media never pressed him on it.  Wait until they actually start doing this.  I would think people would go crazy.  For sure I would if they tried to take me or my spouse away.  Can you imagine them taking children away from their parents.  Nope - wont happen but the fact that they are even proposing this should send chills out. 
Title: Re: CA To Remove COVID-19 Patients From Homes Based On ‘Living Situattion’ — Will
Post by: nzone on May 07, 2020, 09:54:33 AM
Our governor of washington state basically said the same thing ... Of course the media never pressed him on it.  Wait until they actually start doing this.  I would think people would go crazy.  For sure I would if they tried to take me or my spouse away.  Can you imagine them taking children away from their parents.  Nope - wont happen but the fact that they are even proposing this should send chills out.

In WA and CA it could happen. You all have some real sweethearts in GOVT their. Patty Murray has to be up their with Mad Maxine in the smarts dept. :thumbdown:
Title: Re: CA To Remove COVID-19 Patients From Homes Based On ‘Living Situattion’ — Will
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 07, 2020, 10:02:34 AM
Did you see the video of authorities in Wuhan dragging citizens out of their homes to put them in isolation for the flu?    Those people were resisting by holding onto doors, lodging themselves into tight spaces, making it hard as possible to be carried away ...and I didn't see anyone going voluntarily.

know why?  Because they knew they were not coming back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLirQXbJrNA
Title: Re: CA To Remove COVID-19 Patients From Homes Based On ‘Living Situattion’ — Will
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 10:30:49 AM
If they try to do this in CA....I think all hell will break loose.  But who knows...we've seen plenty of evidence of people calling authorities on their friends and neighbors who are not social distancing, or going out without a mask, or opening their businesses....   They might be in favor of it, UNTIL they come for them.
Title: Re: CA To Remove COVID-19 Patients From Homes Based On ‘Living Situattion’ — Will
Post by: Solar on May 07, 2020, 10:42:19 AM
If they try to do this in CA....I think all hell will break loose.  But who knows...we've seen plenty of evidence of people calling authorities on their friends and neighbors who are not social distancing, or going out without a mask, or opening their businesses....   They might be in favor of it, UNTIL they come for them.
It won't work in Ca, the only areas that will do it, is La and the Bay Area, and they deserve to suffer under the policies of Marxists they elected. :thumbsup:
Title: Franklin Graham: Hated humanitarian
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 11:03:00 AM
Doctors and nurses put their lives at risk in March to serve COVID-19 patients in a 68-bed emergency field hospital set up in New York's Central Park. They did so as a mission of mercy – offering expert treatment to the sick and suffering, and showing the Gospel in action.

But to New York's wary and unsmiling guardians of "tolerance," it was hate in action.

Alarmed, Mayor Bill de Blasio announced he was "going to send people over from [my] office to monitor" the hospital.

City Council Speaker Corey Johnson attacked the mercy mission, calling it an "affront to our values of inclusion" and "painful for all New Yorkers who care deeply about the LGBTQ community."

A New York state senator fumed that the city was "in the unfortunate position of having to accept charity from bigots like Franklin Graham."

Graham leads Samaritan's Purse, which brought the hospital to New York. His relief organization, he insisted, serves "everyone regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation. … We don't discriminate. Period."

Not good enough.


ARTICLE CONTINUED:  https://www.wnd.com/2020/05/franklin-graham-hated-humanitarian/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=wnd-brief&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=brief (https://www.wnd.com/2020/05/franklin-graham-hated-humanitarian/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=wnd-brief&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=brief)

Title: Re: Franklin Graham: Hated humanitarian
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 11:09:33 AM
I have NEVER heard of anyone from Samaritan's Purse asking an individual about their sexual preference.  And WHY would they?  And there's nothing on a hospital intake form asking about sexual orientation.  So WTH is their point?

Once again, Franklin Graham, Samaritan's Purse, Christians in general (with the exception of the Westboro church), always welcome everyone.  If someone needs help, they don't turn them away.    The fact that their religious beliefs does not condone marriage between two men or two women...makes them BIGOTS?!  Of course, the irony is, they always make these statements about being "inclusive", and the first thing THEY do is kick people out.  Who's the bigot?

Interesting the islamists believe in throwing homosexuals off the roof of a high building, and they don't complain about them...
Title: Re: Franklin Graham: Hated humanitarian
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 07, 2020, 11:20:45 AM
muslims are leftist allies.   Let the democrat homos worry about that later on.
Title: Re: CA To Remove COVID-19 Patients From Homes Based On ‘Living Situattion’ — Will
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 11:28:33 AM
It won't work in Ca, the only areas that will do it, is La and the Bay Area, and they deserve to suffer under the policies of Marxists they elected. :thumbsup:

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Title: Re: Franklin Graham: Hated humanitarian
Post by: drifter106 on May 07, 2020, 11:50:58 AM
Whats scarey, and this goes for almost everybody that is in the party of evil.  They honestly think their beliefs and actions are right.  For a long time I always thought it was some type of ploy.  I am talking about Pelosi and others in government all the way down to individual people. 

Sometimes I wonder if the devils and demons are so entrenched in them that they can't think or act right...
Title: Re: CA To Remove COVID-19 Patients From Homes Based On ‘Living Situattion’ — Will
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 07, 2020, 11:52:15 AM
yeah they do...but will they figure it out?
Title: Re: Franklin Graham: Hated humanitarian
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 11:55:31 AM
Whats scarey, and this goes for almost everybody that is in the party of evil.  They honestly think their beliefs and actions are right.  For a long time I always thought it was some type of ploy.  I am talking about Pelosi and others in government all the way down to individual people. 

Sometimes I wonder if the devils and demons are so entrenched in them that they can't think or act right...


I believe people like Pelosi know EXACTLY what they're doing, and are encouraging and indoctrinating others to do their bidding for them...
Title: Re: Franklin Graham: Hated humanitarian
Post by: WMK on May 07, 2020, 12:25:26 PM
Whats scarey, and this goes for almost everybody that is in the party of evil.  They honestly think their beliefs and actions are right.  For a long time I always thought it was some type of ploy.  I am talking about Pelosi and others in government all the way down to individual people. 

Sometimes I wonder if the devils and demons are so entrenched in them that they can't think or act right...

If you believe in Scripture, it is quite clear about evil governing the hearts and minds of certain men.
John 8:44 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Title: Lockdowns: looks like an op, smells like an op, walks six feet apart like an op
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 12:26:57 PM
We don’t need Rahm Emanuel to tell us a crisis shouldn’t go to waste.  It’s a strategy that probably got off the ground a hundred thousand years ago.  The other half of it is, create the crisis to begin with.  Then don’t waste it.

The Bill Gates plan involves a mother of all vaccines for COVID, mandated across the globe, before the lockdowns end.  That’s his psychopathic wet dream.  Then, coming in behind that, his lackey, the World Health Organization, along with the professional liars at the CDC, will add—-“we must mandate EVERY vaccine…”

To pull off a mandated global vaccine for eight billion people takes a manufactured crisis
(To read about Jon’s mega-collection, The Matrix Revealed, click here.)

To pull off a mandated global vaccine for eight billion people takes a manufactured crisis.

Fake virus plus real lockdown is the crisis.

You don’t think that one up overnight.  You plan.  You drill, and you organize.  You put all your ducks in a row.  You prepare, in order to become Stalin and Mao.

Then somebody has to break the ice.


ARTICLE CONTINUED:  https://canadafreepress.com/article/lockdowns-looks-like-an-op-smells-like-an-op-walks-six-feet-apart-like-an-o (https://canadafreepress.com/article/lockdowns-looks-like-an-op-smells-like-an-op-walks-six-feet-apart-like-an-o)
Title: Re: Lockdowns: looks like an op, smells like an op, walks six feet apart like an op
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 07, 2020, 12:28:52 PM
Careful..Pollyanna will come in here and call you a cynic.

 :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Lockdowns: looks like an op, smells like an op, walks six feet apart like an op
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 12:35:35 PM
Careful..Pollyanna will come in here and call you a cynic.

 :thumbdown:


Yeah...just caught some of that. 

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Title: Re: CA To Remove COVID-19 Patients From Homes Based On ‘Living Situattion’ — Will
Post by: Solar on May 07, 2020, 01:12:28 PM
yeah they do...but will they figure it out?
Use the quote so we know who you're replying to. Thanks.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 07, 2020, 01:18:48 PM
Quote from: Mercy Otis Warren
I believe people like Pelosi know EXACTLY what they're doing, and are encouraging and indoctrinating others to do their bidding for them...


yeah they do but will they figure it out.
Title: Re: Lockdowns: looks like an op, smells like an op, walks six feet apart like an op
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 07, 2020, 01:19:44 PM

Yeah...just caught some of that. 

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LOL
Title: Suspicions Raised Over Tests After a Fruit Reportedly Tests Positive for virus
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 04:12:03 PM
Last month, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention made headlines with a blunder of epic proportions. According to a report by the Food and Drug Administration, two of the three CDC laboratories in Atlanta that created the coronavirus test kits violated their own manufacturing standards, resulting in the agency sending tests that did not work to nearly all of the 100 state and local public health labs. What’s more, the CDC was found to be sending out tests contaminated with the actual virus.

Testing for COVID-19 has been notoriously suspect and embroiled in controversy since the beginning and the more information that comes out, the more controversial it gets.

Another can of gas on the dumpster fire that is the COVID-19 response is the fact that many tests have been giving false negative and false positive results. A man in Georgia tested both positive and negative for the coronavirus just four hours apart.

Shaun Smith was scheduled to undergo a surgery over the weekend, so he was administered a test on Saturday at 8 a.m. which showed he was positive for COVID-19. Smith explained to FOX 5 Atlanta that he decided to get one more test later that day just to make sure — which came back negative.

Now, Smith has no idea whether or not he has the virus as he has since tested both positive and negative.


ARTICLE CONTINUED:  https://thefreethoughtproject.com/covid-19-tests-positive-fruit/?utm_source=getresponse&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rssfeednewsletter&utm_content=The+Free+Thought+Project+Newsletter (https://thefreethoughtproject.com/covid-19-tests-positive-fruit/?utm_source=getresponse&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rssfeednewsletter&utm_content=The+Free+Thought+Project+Newsletter)




Title: Re: Suspicions Raised Over Tests After a Fruit Reportedly Tests Positive for virus
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 04:13:05 PM
Seriously?!   A fruit tested positive for COVID-19???
Title: Re: Suspicions Raised Over Tests After a Fruit Reportedly Tests Positive for virus
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 07, 2020, 04:16:20 PM
Just found out in our local hospital that covid positive nurses were still coming in to work.   Admin said to come in anyway.

and they ARE letting the elderly die.  I don't care if they are telling you they are taking care of them.  NO.  they are not.  They are not getting plasma antibodies, nor remdesivir nor hydroxychloroquine.   If they are over 70 they do not qualify for this.   that's right.
Title: Re: Franklin Graham: Hated humanitarian
Post by: Possum on May 07, 2020, 05:03:10 PM
Whats scarey, and this goes for almost everybody that is in the party of evil. They honestly think their beliefs and actions are right.  For a long time I always thought it was some type of ploy.  I am talking about Pelosi and others in government all the way down to individual people. 

Sometimes I wonder if the devils and demons are so entrenched in them that they can't think or act right...
Don't know, I see nothing in their actions but trying to divide this country. It seems to me they have drawn a big line in the sand, even bigger than obama's, to try to keep this nation shut down. This pulling people from their homes is just a test to see how far they can go, the further they go, the easier it will be for the next democrat socialist to destroy the constitution. 
Title: Cuomo in hotseat, study finds flights from epi-center NYC seeded US outbreaks
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 06:09:49 PM
In late January, President Donald Trump signed an executive order banning travel from China to the United States after it became clear to him and his national security team that the COVID-19 outbreak was likely to worsen and become a major health threat.

Shortly thereafter, the president also restricted travel from Europe after several countries there became coronavirus hotspots.

But as turns out, according to a new study, it’s New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo who should have acted to restrict travel from his state.

The New York Times, surprisingly, reported Thursday that researchers believe people who traveled from the state to other parts of the country were responsible for “seeding” various regions with more COVID-19 cases:


ARTICLE CONTINUED:   https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/05/07/will-cuomo-be-held-accountable-study-finds-travel-from-nyc-seeded-covid-outbreaks-throughout-us-918034?utm_campaign=bizpac&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get+Response&utm_term=EMAIL (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/05/07/will-cuomo-be-held-accountable-study-finds-travel-from-nyc-seeded-covid-outbreaks-throughout-us-918034?utm_campaign=bizpac&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get+Response&utm_term=EMAIL)
Title: Re: Cuomo in hotseat, study finds flights from epi-center NYC seeded US outbreaks
Post by: Solar on May 07, 2020, 06:14:16 PM
How  does one restrict people from leaving, let alone a city?
Title: Re: Cuomo in hotseat, study finds flights from epi-center NYC seeded US outbreaks
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 07, 2020, 06:25:22 PM
How  does one restrict people from leaving, let alone a city?


Cuomo shut down everything else in NYC...you really think he couldn't tell all the airlines no OUTgoing flights?   They did it after 9/11.
Title: Re: Cuomo in hotseat, study finds flights from epi-center NYC seeded US outbreaks
Post by: Solar on May 07, 2020, 06:29:37 PM

Cuomo shut down everything else in NYC...you really think he couldn't tell all the airlines no OUTgoing flights?   They did it after 9/11.
No, I mean at gun point. But that aside, NY Slimes is wrong, the first cases started in Ca. Thing is we wouldn't have simply have rolled over and our Sheriffs wouldn't have enforced it.
Title: Re: Cuomo in hotseat, study finds flights from epi-center NYC seeded US outbreaks
Post by: Possum on May 08, 2020, 04:49:11 AM
No, I mean at gun point. But that aside, NY Slimes is wrong, the first cases started in Ca. Thing is we wouldn't have simply have rolled over and our Sheriffs wouldn't have enforced it.
We got sold on this bill of goods by assuming it was only temporarily, why within a short week or two everything would be back to normal. Pelosi was encouraging people to go to San Francisco,  Blasio was encouraging people to get out, Trump was being a raciest for shutting down travel, ect, so how bad could it be?
The biggest mistake made was putting power into the hands of liberal governors and mayors that was totally unconstitutional. That has only made it easier for the next crisis. The good news, I think this has killed a party that was on life support.
Title: Re: Cuomo in hotseat, study finds flights from epi-center NYC seeded US outbreaks
Post by: Solar on May 08, 2020, 06:07:16 AM
We got sold on this bill of goods by assuming it was only temporarily, why within a short week or two everything would be back to normal. Pelosi was encouraging people to go to San Francisco,  Blasio was encouraging people to get out, Trump was being a raciest for shutting down travel, ect, so how bad could it be?
The biggest mistake made was putting power into the hands of liberal governors and mayors that was totally unconstitutional. That has only made it easier for the next crisis. The good news, I think this has killed a party that was on life support.
' :biggrin:
Now libs know what to expect from a Dim Govt if they ever got the chance at power.   Yep, this was the proverbial nail.
Title: Re: Cuomo in hotseat, study finds flights from epi-center NYC seeded US outbreaks
Post by: WMK on May 08, 2020, 08:23:04 AM
We got sold on this bill of goods by assuming it was only temporarily, why within a short week or two everything would be back to normal. Pelosi was encouraging people to go to San Francisco,  Blasio was encouraging people to get out, Trump was being a raciest for shutting down travel, ect, so how bad could it be?
The biggest mistake made was putting power into the hands of liberal governors and mayors that was totally unconstitutional. That has only made it easier for the next crisis. The good news, I think this has killed a party that was on life support.

A saying just came to my mind; ‘ stimulus checks to the undeserving will coverup the most heinous crimes of a politico.
Title: Re: Cuomo in hotseat, study finds flights from epi-center NYC seeded US outbreaks
Post by: Possum on May 08, 2020, 08:29:34 AM
A saying just came to my mind; ‘ stimulus checks to the undeserving will coverup the most heinous crimes of a politico.
Can not find it on the web, but just heard on the radio, democrats are pushing a living income of eight thousand a month for a family of four. Buy stock in printing presses.  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Cuomo in hotseat, study finds flights from epi-center NYC seeded US outbreaks
Post by: walkstall on May 08, 2020, 09:24:21 AM
Can not find it on the web, but just heard on the radio, democrats are pushing a living income of eight thousand a month for a family of four. Buy stock in printing presses.  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hmmm...  The wife and I live on 2 thousand a month the rest we put in the bank as we don't spend it.   Hell we could live like Kings, with eight thousand a month come in and just sitting on our ass.   
Title: Re: Suspicions Raised Over Tests After a Fruit Reportedly Tests Positive for virus
Post by: Zouave on May 09, 2020, 06:44:48 AM
Proper testing will be a big part of opening the economy. Everyone that needs testing must have a fair chance of having the test. What McEnany said shows this will not likely happen. Those with the power will do what they want with no thought to anyone else with less power. The guidelines can recommend all they want but daily testing outside the WH it is not happening. Any rate of testing would be welcome to citizens but very little is being done mostly because confirmed case numbers would go up significantly and that would not look good. It is not lack of funds for sure.
McEnany told reporters during Friday’s news briefing. "All of the recommended guidelines we have for businesses that have essential workers, we are now putting them in place here in the White House. So as America reopens safely, the White House is continuing to operate safely.”

Last month, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention made headlines with a blunder of epic proportions. According to a report by the Food and Drug Administration, two of the three CDC laboratories in Atlanta that created the coronavirus test kits violated their own manufacturing standards, resulting in the agency sending tests that did not work to nearly all of the 100 state and local public health labs. What’s more, the CDC was found to be sending out tests contaminated with the actual virus.

Testing for COVID-19 has been notoriously suspect and embroiled in controversy since the beginning and the more information that comes out, the more controversial it gets.

Another can of gas on the dumpster fire that is the COVID-19 response is the fact that many tests have been giving false negative and false positive results. A man in Georgia tested both positive and negative for the coronavirus just four hours apart.

Shaun Smith was scheduled to undergo a surgery over the weekend, so he was administered a test on Saturday at 8 a.m. which showed he was positive for COVID-19. Smith explained to FOX 5 Atlanta that he decided to get one more test later that day just to make sure — which came back negative.

Now, Smith has no idea whether or not he has the virus as he has since tested both positive and negative.


ARTICLE CONTINUED:  https://thefreethoughtproject.com/covid-19-tests-positive-fruit/?utm_source=getresponse&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rssfeednewsletter&utm_content=The+Free+Thought+Project+Newsletter (https://thefreethoughtproject.com/covid-19-tests-positive-fruit/?utm_source=getresponse&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rssfeednewsletter&utm_content=The+Free+Thought+Project+Newsletter)
Title: If You Haven't Seen This Yet Take a Moment
Post by: Solar on May 09, 2020, 12:02:15 PM
Doctor Speaks Out!

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Title: Re: If You Haven't Seen This Yet Take a Moment
Post by: walkstall on May 09, 2020, 12:12:56 PM
Doctor Speaks Out!

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More and more doctors are speaking out.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 09, 2020, 12:39:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXAB8_u2q2I
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 09, 2020, 12:55:46 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Too Damn Real!!!

Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 09, 2020, 01:05:47 PM
won't play @Solar

got a link?

The Media IS the Virus.

how true.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 09, 2020, 01:10:16 PM
won't play @Solar

got a link?

The Media IS the Virus.

how true.
It's twitter, you may have to wait for it to finish loading.
Just click the post again wait a moment.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: walkstall on May 09, 2020, 01:10:44 PM
won't play @Solar

got a link?

The Media IS the Virus.

how true.

Hmm..  It played for me. 
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 09, 2020, 01:11:38 PM
Hmm..  It played for me.
I like the last frame, "Gates Is God"... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: China Asked The WHO To Help Cover Up Coronavirus
Post by: Solar on May 09, 2020, 04:05:44 PM
Chinese Leader Xi Jinping personally asked the World Health Organization to delay the release of critical information regarding its coronavirus outbreak, German intelligence has concluded.

Xi met with WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus on January 21 to request that he withhold information about human-to-human transition and delay the declaration of a global pandemic, according to German magazine Der Spiegel. The news comes amid rising sentiment that China should be held financially responsible for the pandemic.

“The BND’s verdict is harsh: At least four, if not six, weeks have been lost in Beijing’s information policy in the fight against the virus,” Der Spiegel reported.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/09/china-who-coronavirus-coverup-germany/
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 10, 2020, 08:13:38 AM
New Evidence Based on Cell Phone Data Records Shows Shutdown of Wuhan Virology Lab in October – Two Months Before Outbreak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi9T4nl6Ljc
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 10, 2020, 11:00:29 AM
I love Sharyl Attkinsson! :thumbsup:

Sorting fact from fiction amid information manipulation
Narrative engineering and censorship are among the reasons reliable information is in short supply.


Snipped~~~~

The final reason why factual information is often out of our reach is because it is simply censored, hidden or disappeared. The influences who seek to control narratives in order to gain power or make money can reach with their tentacles into Facebook and make sure certain facts are labelled “false” and removed. They can do the same with Twitter, YouTube, and Wikipedia. They can commission a misleading “fact check” from any of a number of “fact checking” groups, designed to controversialize a set of true facts, the scientists unearthing them, or journalists reporting them.

For all of these reasons, it has become increasingly difficult to rely firmly on what we read and hear. And those controlling the narratives pretend it is we who are off base when we ask questions or address this reality. The wise information consumer knows better.

https://justthenews.com/accountability/media/difficult-search-facts-amid-information-manipulation
Title: City Passes Resolution 'Chinese Virus' is Hateful, Encourages Citizens to report
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 10, 2020, 03:02:24 PM
The San Antonio City Council has passed a resolution attacking the use of the term “Chinese virus” to describe the coronavirus.

The resolution, which proclaims that “COVID-19 will not be stopped by political boundaries and was not created or caused by any race, nationality or ethnicity, and the World Health Organization has cautioned against using geographic descriptors that can fuel ethnic and racial discrimination” passed unanimously, according to WOAI-TV.

San Antonio has been in the news over the past year for its efforts to prevent Chick-fil-A from opening at the city’s airport, couching its battle against the popular fast-food franchise as a battle against an organization it paints as anti-LGBTQ.

Chick-fil-A was invoked by Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas when he tweeted his disbelief of the San Antonio resolution.

“This is NUTS. SA City Council behaving like a lefty college faculty lounge, triggered by Chick-fil-A & the words ‘Wuhan virus.’ If they want to investigate someone, start with NYT & CNN who both repeatedly (and rightly) referred to it as “the Chinese coronavirus,” Cruz tweeted.


ARTICLE CONTINUED:  https://www.westernjournal.com/city-passes-resolution-declaring-term-chinese-virus-hateful-encourages-citizens-report-use-authorities/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=afb-pac&utm_campaign=dailyam&utm_content=ps (https://www.westernjournal.com/city-passes-resolution-declaring-term-chinese-virus-hateful-encourages-citizens-report-use-authorities/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=afb-pac&utm_campaign=dailyam&utm_content=ps)



Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 10, 2020, 05:08:21 PM
If they were serious about stopping this virus, why didn't they check passengers BEFORE they got on the plane.  Now, if there were people carring the virus, it's already exposed everyone else in such a close environment, and sucking it through the air vents.  Some passengers who didn't have it before, probably would by they time they deboarded...

we all know why now.    It was the determination by the left back during the sars dempanic that they were not prepared and the next time they would be.   This is designed to take out this president and to advance ill conceived leftist ideas.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 10, 2020, 05:09:26 PM
Did the Lockdown Model Cause Half the Coronavirus Deaths in New Jersey?
Instead of coronavirus overwhelming hospitals, it overwhelmed nursing homes.
Fri May 8, 2020 Daniel Greenfield 65


 
Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamic terrorism.

On March 31st, New Jersey Commissioner of Health Judith Persichilli issued an order to nursing homes and rehab facilities ordering them to take coronavirus patients.

Relying on Governor Murphy's Public Health Emergency executive order, she issued a Health Department order that set out to achieve "the expedited receipt of patients/residents discharging from hospitals" by warning that, "no patient/resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the post-acute care setting solely based on a confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19."

The New Jersey Health boss further warned that "post-acute care facilities are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized patient/resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission."

The order was horrifying, but not unusual. A number of blue states, including New York and California, had issued similar orders. But New Jersey had nearly half its deaths occur in nursing homes. Horrifying scenes, such as 18 bodies stacked in one nursing home facility waiting for pickup or the 53 veterans who died at the New Jersey Veterans Memorial Home in Paramus, would soon fill the news.


~~~

horrifying is right.   They should be sued.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 10, 2020, 05:18:06 PM
Did the Lockdown Model Cause Half the Coronavirus Deaths in New Jersey?
Instead of coronavirus overwhelming hospitals, it overwhelmed nursing homes.
Fri May 8, 2020 Daniel Greenfield 65


 
Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamic terrorism.

On March 31st, New Jersey Commissioner of Health Judith Persichilli issued an order to nursing homes and rehab facilities ordering them to take coronavirus patients.

Relying on Governor Murphy's Public Health Emergency executive order, she issued a Health Department order that set out to achieve "the expedited receipt of patients/residents discharging from hospitals" by warning that, "no patient/resident shall be denied re-admission or admission to the post-acute care setting solely based on a confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19."

The New Jersey Health boss further warned that "post-acute care facilities are prohibited from requiring a hospitalized patient/resident who is determined medically stable to be tested for COVID-19 prior to admission or readmission."

The order was horrifying, but not unusual. A number of blue states, including New York and California, had issued similar orders. But New Jersey had nearly half its deaths occur in nursing homes. Horrifying scenes, such as 18 bodies stacked in one nursing home facility waiting for pickup or the 53 veterans who died at the New Jersey Veterans Memorial Home in Paramus, would soon fill the news.


~~~

horrifying is right.   They should be sued.
I read this morning that 67% of all Chinese Flu deaths have been in nursing homes.
Sorry, I don't remember the site, AP or Reuters, etc.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 10, 2020, 05:23:34 PM
I read this morning that 67% of all Chinese Flu deaths have been in nursing homes.
Sorry, I don't remember the site, AP or Reuters, etc.

That's true...but seeing AP or Reuters is the source i'd say it is probably more than that.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 10, 2020, 05:24:25 PM
This today....a policy that should have been the protocol from day 1.

Cuomo: Coronavirus Patients Cannot Be Discharged To Nursing Homes Now Till They’re Cleared…

You would think this would be normal procedure. But this guy is not much brighter than DeBlasio….

Via NYPost:

Patients in New York hospitals must now test negative for the coronavirus before they can be discharged to nursing homes, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Sunday — partially reversing a policy that forced sickened seniors into facilities housing those most vulnerable.

“We’re just not going to send a person who is positive to a nursing home after a hospital visit,” said Cuomo during an Albany press briefing. “Period.”

The ruling partially overrides a controversial March 25 order that nursing homes cannot deny admission or readmission on the basis of a positive or suspected COVID-19 case.

That policy has been roundly criticized as counterintuitive for forcing coronavirus carriers into nursing homes, even as Cuomo has repeatedly acknowledged that seniors are among those most susceptible to the virus.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 10, 2020, 05:26:39 PM
That's true...but seeing AP or Reuters is the source i'd say it is probably more than that.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

How sad is that?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Possum on May 10, 2020, 05:29:32 PM
I read this morning that 67% of all Chinese Flu deaths have been in nursing homes.
Sorry, I don't remember the site, AP or Reuters, etc.
I assume you mean the wuflu, but if that was the case, why did china shut down their 3 cities? The virus that hit the U.S. does not appear to me to be of the magnitude that hit china. It doesn't help that there are more conspiracies out there than who killed JFK, but why did china hit the panic button and close down if it was just the nursing homes, although that does seem to be the case here. I know pollution and smoking are far worse in china, did that make the virus so deadly and fearful? It's easy now to say we overreacted, but no one is saying china overreacted and they completely closed down three cities.( or four, can't remember, and damn near ruined their economy. One question I don't think we know the answer yet, just how bad was this virus?
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 10, 2020, 05:38:23 PM
I assume you mean the wuflu, but if that was the case, why did china shut down their 3 cities? The virus that hit the U.S. does not appear to me to be of the magnitude that hit china. It doesn't help that there are more conspiracies out there than who killed JFK, but why did china hit the panic button and close down if it was just the nursing homes, although that does seem to be the case here. I know pollution and smoking are far worse in china, did that make the virus so deadly and fearful? It's easy now to say we overreacted, but no one is saying china overreacted and they completely closed down three cities.( or four, can't remember, and damn near ruined their economy. One question I don't think we know the answer yet, just how bad was this virus?

Might have something to do with the way the Chinese live and eat.   Plus....even though I think the WuFlu/Chinese Virus was most likely developed in a lab..i don't think they intended for it to escape.  There were earlier reports of just how careless and lacking in effective procedures this lab was/is.   

NOR do I believe that this virus didn't make it here to January/February.  It was here in Nov/December 2019.    And I believe I know people who had it at that time.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 10, 2020, 05:39:32 PM
I assume you mean the wuflu, but if that was the case, why did china shut down their 3 cities? The virus that hit the U.S. does not appear to me to be of the magnitude that hit china. It doesn't help that there are more conspiracies out there than who killed JFK, but why did china hit the panic button and close down if it was just the nursing homes, although that does seem to be the case here. I know pollution and smoking are far worse in china, did that make the virus so deadly and fearful? It's easy now to say we overreacted, but no one is saying china overreacted and they completely closed down three cities.( or four, can't remember, and damn near ruined their economy. One question I don't think we know the answer yet, just how bad was this virus?
You'd have to ask them, but they aren't telling anyone. I suspect they thought it to be far worse than it was when they released it on their own people, be it accident or on purpose makes no difference, they constructed it for germ warfare and panicked when it hit the populace.

I posted a video showing that the lab closed a month earlier than when the first cases showed up, meaning they knew what they had done, and still did nothing to warn the world.
This also proves the CCP knew they were about to suffer through the worst economy they'd ever experienced, so they wanted to share their misery with the rest of the world despite a lock down, they allowed their people to travel freely about the planet.
Title: Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
Post by: Solar on May 11, 2020, 06:59:01 AM
Let the back peddling begin...

“There Is Nothing from the CDC I Can Trust!” – Dr. Birx Tells Off CDC Director, Claims COVID-19 Mortality Rate Inflated By as Much as 25%!

** Dr. Tony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx used the Imperial College Model to persuade President Trump to lock down the ENTIRE US ECONOMY.
** The fraudulent model predicted 2.2 million American deaths from the coronavirus pandemic
** The authors of the Imperial College Model shared their findings with the White House Coronavirus task force in early March
** Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx then met with President Trump privately and urged him to shut down the US economy and destroy the record Trump economy based on this model
** A new critique of the Imperial College Model finds the study is “completely unusable for scientific purposes” — The study is a complete sham
** Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx pushed a garbage model on the White House and the American public and destroyed the US economy

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/nothing-cdc-can-trust-dr-birx-tells-off-cdc-director-claims-covid-19-mortality-rate-inflated-much-25/
Title: Colorado restaurant draws crowds after reopening in defiance of state order
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 11, 2020, 10:24:31 AM
(https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/TQyX__rkLDd4R6I6GHCvbeXne6Fuew0FAV_OgYWcP27zoWAIMTzIfIrJiTXCKsmqjeHVmna1PssEz0bA3cK4OJ3NvOsWecCSbzcuflXxfz0BCJ504liECbwiifMSPxKIFFs=s0-d-e1-ft#https://aim4truth.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/hardware-store-restaurant.jpeg)

A restaurant in Castle Rock, Colo., is attracting viral attention as footage circulates showing its business packed with customers on Mother’s Day despite a state order requiring restaurants to reduce their businesses to delivery options and drive-up service amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Videos picking up traction on Twitter on Sunday show the local restaurant, C&C Coffee and Kitchen, loaded with customers, many of whom could be seen not wearing a mask, as recommended by government and health officials, or adhering to social distancing guidelines.


ARTICLE, VIDEOS & TWEETS CONTINUED:
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/497054-colorado-restaurant-draws-crowds-after-reopening-in-defiance-of (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/497054-colorado-restaurant-draws-crowds-after-reopening-in-defiance-of)

Title: Except for healthcare providers and high-risk venues, no one should wear a mask
Post by: Mercy Otis Warren on May 11, 2020, 10:37:13 AM
People, take off your masks before you really make yourself sick!

Most masks are quite unhealthy and some are even disease-promoting—Here’s why!
Chemical Off-gassing
Those who are manifesting COVID-19 symptoms have a greater need for fresh clean air. Because of the various respiratory illnesses associated with Coronavirus syndrome they require prana-filled more than anything. So do folks who want to prevent catching the coronavirus.

However, when wearing a synthetic mask the person is filtering their air through a synthetic material that outgases the petrochemically derived constituents that most are made of. The masked individual is then breathing in those aerosolized toxic chemicals.

Many of the sickest COVID patients already have various respiratory illnesses and/or chemical sensitivities so putting a mask on them is the worst thing that can be done. The same applies to people who are relatively healthy but have E.I. syndrome or MCS.*

*Environmental Illness Syndrome & Multiple Chemical Sensitivity
Brand new products just taken out of a box are notorious for outgassing various chemical toxins. In the case of a new mask, which is placed right over the mouth and nose, these airborne chemicals go right into both airways.

Therefore, patients stricken with the novel coronavirus ought to be spared from such a misguided practice. A chemical overwhelm can even trigger a respiratory condition that compels the attending physician to put the patient on a ventilator which ought to be avoided for COVID-19 patients.


ARTICLE CONTINUED:   http://stateofthenation.co/?p=13710 (http://stateofthenation.co/?p=13710)

Title: Re: Colorado restaurant draws crowds after reopening in defiance of state order
Post by: Solar on May 11, 2020, 10:51:03 AM
This is rich on so many levels. For the left to come after them, destroys their own argument about there being more than two genders. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Colorado restaurant draws crowds after reopening in defiance of state order
Post by: nzone on May 11, 2020, 12:42:36 PM
(https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/TQyX__rkLDd4R6I6GHCvbeXne6Fuew0FAV_OgYWcP27zoWAIMTzIfIrJiTXCKsmqjeHVmna1PssEz0bA3cK4OJ3NvOsWecCSbzcuflXxfz0BCJ504liECbwiifMSPxKIFFs=s0-d-e1-ft#https://aim4truth.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/hardware-store-restaurant.jpeg)

A restaurant in Castle Rock, Colo., is attracting viral attention as footage circulates showing its business packed with customers on Mother’s Day despite a state order requiring restaurants to reduce their businesses to delivery options and drive-up service amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Videos picking up traction on Twitter on Sunday show the local restaurant, C&C Coffee and Kitchen, loaded with customers, many of whom could be seen not wearing a mask, as recommended by government and health officials, or adhering to social distancing guidelines.


ARTICLE, VIDEOS & TWEETS CONTINUED:
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/497054-colorado-restaurant-draws-crowds-after-reopening-in-defiance-of (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/497054-colorado-restaurant-draws-crowds-after-reopening-in-defiance-of)

Kudos to the restaurant Owner. :thumbsup: :biggrin: :toungsmile:
Title: Re: Colorado restaurant draws crowds after reopening in defiance of state order
Post by: Patrick2 on May 11, 2020, 02:14:27 PM


Get ready for the second virus infection wave.  I hear that's already happening in some places in Europe where they've ended shutdowns.
Title: Re: Colorado restaurant draws crowds after reopening in defiance of state order
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 11, 2020, 02:32:17 PM
I doubt that.
Title: Re: Colorado restaurant draws crowds after reopening in defiance of state order
Post by: taxed on May 11, 2020, 05:03:24 PM

Get ready for the second virus infection wave.  I hear that's already happening in some places in Europe where they've ended shutdowns.

Proof?
Title: Dr's keep discovering ways CV19 attacks the body
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 11, 2020, 05:43:25 PM
Doctors keep discovering new ways the coronavirus attacks the body

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/10/coronavirus-attacks-body-symptoms/?arc404=true

 

More than four months of clinical experience across Asia, Europe and North America has shown the pathogen does much more than invade the lungs. “No one was expecting a disease that would not fit the pattern of pneumonia and respiratory illness,” said David Reich, a cardiac anesthesiologist and president of Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City.

It attacks the heart, weakening its muscles and disrupting its critical rhythm. It savages kidneys so badly some hospitals have run short of dialysis equipment. It crawls along the nervous system, destroying taste and smell and occasionally reaching the brain. It creates blood clots that can kill with sudden efficiency and inflames blood vessels throughout the body.

It can begin with a few symptoms or none at all, then days later, squeeze the air out of the lungs without warning. It picks on the elderly, people weakened by previous disease, and, disproportionately, the obese. It harms men more than women, but there are also signs it complicates pregnancies.

~~~~

Apparently these same doctors don't read the side effects of the very drugs they themselves prescribe for their patients.
Title: Re: Colorado restaurant draws crowds after reopening in defiance of state order
Post by: ldub23 on May 11, 2020, 05:45:21 PM
Great  to see some real heors
Title: Re: Colorado restaurant draws crowds after reopening in defiance of state order
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 11, 2020, 05:53:04 PM
a European second wave is what the left wants you to believe.   I find it maddening that americans are so freakin' willing to roll over and give up their Rights.    Jackasses.
Title: Birx believes CV19 deaths over stated by 25%
Post by: Calypso Jones on May 11, 2020, 06:26:54 PM
No kidding.


Via Daily Caller:


Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus task force response coordinator, believes some official COVID-19 statistics like death tolls may be inflated by up to 25%, a new report states.

Birx criticized the method the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was using to collect its data during a heated task force meeting, according to a report Saturday from The Washington Post.

That means instead of 80,000 Covid deaths there is still hardly more than the regular flu and 40 thou less than the HiNi epidemic in which Obonehead did NOTHING.