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Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
« Reply #495 on: March 24, 2020, 07:57:58 AM »
Yeah, it's been awhile. I wasn't sure what to believe, I'd been following the story for awhile, and so many lies out of China from the beginning, I wasn't sure it was even real.

President Trump is in the midst of the greatest deal of his life.

And it's a terrible gamble.

He needs to calm people down enough so as to reopen businesses.

But he must also hope that very few people die, or that he can soothe the popular outrage when they do.

I predict far more in the USA will expire from the Seasonal Flu this year than from COVID-19. Yet people generally ignore the Seasonal Flu deaths.

As they will ignore COVID-19 deaths in every year in the future.

It is a delicate dance. One that the future of our very Republic depends on.

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« Reply #496 on: March 24, 2020, 09:51:42 AM »
I "stole"  this from a friends Facebook page....  This person is a doctor at a hospital in Illinois.  The part apart Trixie is funny and informative.  Toy

So, a viral primer... Have a seat class.  Here is part one of our journey:
Coronaviruses are a family of viruses.  They are spheres of protein that surround the genetic material which is RNA (not DNA like our genetic code).  They are called coronaviruses because the proteins embedded in the envelope on the outside of the virus (called spikes) radiate out from the center like a crown or halo, and the Latin word for that is "corona".  Viruses do not divide like bacteria or fungus.  They have to hijack another organism in order to make more copies and grow / thrive. 
There are dozens of different Coronaviruses, but most don't infect humans.  However, we have known about Coronaviruses since the 1960s.  Members of this viral family have caused illnesses like SARS (similar to our current misbehaving member) and MERS.  For many years, we have tested for 4 different human coronaviruses on our routine respiratory swab at the hospital.  These include Coronavirus 229E, OC43, NL63, and HKU1.  So, if we have known that these viruses have been around for a long time, and we know they infect humans, why is this one so significant?  Well, let's start by talking about terrible people who don't follow the rules and learn about how the virus infects.

Say that Trixie (A U of I spring breaker who is NOT listening to the social distancing recommendations) is in Florida and gets infected by her new bestie from Ohio State.  She returns to her part-time job at the local grocery store.  A number of COVID viruses are living in a microscopic droplet in her nose.  She looks left and right...
(Go ahead Trixie.  No one is looking)
...then picks her nose.  She wipes the evidence on her apron, and goes about her day.
Moments later, you come around the corner, super thrilled because there was ONE package of toilet paper left.  You are WINNING the day!  No more magazine and newspaper pages for you tonight, but you aren't sharing with the rest of the family, and we aren't judging you for that.
Sorry, I digress...
You pay with cash, and Trixie smiles and hands you your change, telling you to have a nice day.  You've always loved that Trixie... so cheery!  What you don't know is that the three George Washingtons you just folded neatly and put in your pocket came with a special surprise:  those viruses hitched a ride, and you aren't even aware that as you rub your eyes (because your allergies have been giving you fits), you have now inoculated yourself with enough COVID to cause infection. 
The little boogers (pun intended) attach to some cells near where you rubbed, and invade, spilling their contents into the cells they invaded.  They then spit their RNA into their new host cell, and they get to work.  They hijack your own cell's machines to make many copies of their own RNA, then copies of their own proteins, then assemble all the parts together into new viruses.  They make so many copies, that the cell can no longer hold the volume of viruses, and the cell bursts, allowing the new viruses to invade the neighboring host cells, and a new infection is born.
So, why don't our bodies stop this?
HOW do they stop it?
Why don't antibiotics work?
How is this different than the other coronaviruses? other kinds of viruses?
Stay tuned!  I'll go over this and more!  Tomorrow's update will continue to help you unravel just what this thing is and what it all means
Until then, my friends stay safe and...
DON'T BE A TRIXIE!  YOU DON'T NEED A NEW BESTIE FROM OHIO STATE!  OH, AND CONTINUE TO PRACTICE GOOD SOCIAL DISTANCING YOU ANIMALS!!!
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Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
« Reply #497 on: March 24, 2020, 10:49:12 AM »
I am my family are practicing social distancing.

That said, spring break started mid feb. Two most popular destinations in us - Panama City beach - 1 case reported. South padre island - 2 cases reported.

We should watch these areas closely. With the tens of Thousands of people visiting those areas, with all the locals working in the service industry, bars restaurants hotels all close proximity. We should expect to see a massively disproportionate increase amongst the local population, relative to areas that practice social distancing.

Here in my county, extremely low density of people, and all restaurants and bars closed in very rural Maine, we have 4 confirmed cases.

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« Reply #498 on: March 24, 2020, 11:29:55 AM »
I am my family are practicing social distancing.

That said, spring break started mid feb. Two most popular destinations in us - Panama City beach - 1 case reported. South padre island - 2 cases reported.

We should watch these areas closely. With the tens of Thousands of people visiting those areas, with all the locals working in the service industry, bars restaurants hotels all close proximity. We should expect to see a massively disproportionate increase amongst the local population, relative to areas that practice social distancing.

Here in my county, extremely low density of people, and all restaurants and bars closed in very rural Maine, we have 4 confirmed cases.
I assumed my area was relatively safe, I was wrong. Just talked to my mail lady, she said when the Bay Are libs discovered we had TP and other goods in our stores, they started coming up in droves to buy us out.
She also said one family is self quarantining because they think they caught it. They had no contact with any known source, but aren't taking any chances and testing has yet to come back.
Luckily like most of us, they too live on acreage and can easily self isolate.
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Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
« Reply #499 on: March 24, 2020, 11:43:33 AM »
Part 2 Coronovirus lesson....

You are all doing a great job, and I appreciate the feedback, and your continued interest in learning about the virus causing this.
 
One issue to consider:
We are being asked to stay home to flatten the curve (and slow the progression).  We are (in most locations) still allowed to go on runs for essentials.  However, make sure you are buying normally, not in bulk and not for hoarding.  My brother-in-law is a buyer for supermarkets.  He sent me a message yesterday to make sure folks know that there is no supply shortage. If we shop normally, the shelves will look normal.  If you go to the store, and shelves look bare, it is because individual consumers have changed their buying habits.  Stores can only receive so much supply on one truck, so they can only stock what they can stock.  If you buy normally, the stores will go back to looking normal with normal supply.  This is just one of the many reasons not to panic.  Panic buying leads to shortages.

Back to class, friends:
So, we left off with HOW the virus is transmitted.
Trixie has done her damage, and now there are viruses replicating inside your own cells without your knowledge… for now.
What are the stages of illness, and the causes of those stages?
Well, I referenced the “incubation period” yesterday.  That is the period of time where you are infected, and virus is replicating inside you, but you aren’t showing any symptoms.  It is likely that at some point in this period, you will become contagious, but we aren’t totally sure at what point this happens. 
Our current understanding is that this period lasts between 2 and 14 days, with an average of 4 days. 
During the initial, replication stage of infection, our immune system notices.  It does this, because our cells have a process inside of them where if any individual cell detects an invader inside, it will display a “flag” of sorts on the outside of the cell, alerting our immune system.  At this point, there are a number of things that can happen to put a stop to the progression of illness.  However, in an infection that is different enough than infections that have passed through the population in the past, we won’t have a way of containing the illness before it becomes a full-blown infection.  The initial steps our immune system takes will become overwhelmed and fail.
During this stage, relatively mild symptoms can occur, and these symptoms are usually due to direct effects of the virus on the cells as well as chemicals released by our immune cells. The symptoms are usually fever, cough (non-productive), and malaise (a fancy way of saying “I feel crappy”).  The symptoms are so mild during this stage that patients rarely feel bad enough to seek care.  They will, however, sit at home cursing the name of Trixie.
After this early phase, we start to see more symptoms. This pulmonary phase results in more respiratory symptoms due to invasion and damage of the lung cells that are involved in holding our smallest airways open and mediate exchange of gasses from the air we breathe into the blood that flows through the lungs to collect oxygen.
We also see an increase in the body’s immune response resulting in inflammation.  This is when we see patients begin to feel worse and seek care.  They are short of breath, and not able to maintain adequate oxygenation.  If they continue to deteriorate, this is where the paths diverge between those who experience mild or moderate disease who can recover at home and those who require hospitalization.
On average, if a patient is going to develop severe disease, they will get to the point where they are short of breath at 6 days after exposure.  They require admission, on average, at 8 days after exposure and require intubation or ICU admission at about 10 days after exposure.  Remember that these are averages, and can’t really predict the clinical course of any one patient who gets sick.
If a patient progresses farther to this severe stage, this is where a storm of immune chemicals causes inflammation and immune response all over the body, even though the amount of virus in the body is falling.  Remember that only a small percentage of folks enter this severe stage of illness, and most make a U-turn in one of the first stages and progress back to recovery. 
I don’t teach you about these things to frighten you at all, because my goal is always the opposite.  However, I can’t educate you about just PART of what happens.  That wouldn’t be very genuine.  Trixie might do that, but not me
The small percentage that progress to severe disease are usually the elderly or the at-risk folks.  We protect them, by learning about this disease, and taking measures to protect them.  We all know someone who is at-risk, and we want to keep them safe!
The photo today is my poor, at-risk Tatiana.  This girl is scared of everything, including Coronavirus, but it's ok.  She prefers to "shelter in place" all the time, naturally social distancing
You’re all doing great, and I appreciate all of you!
Keep up the good work, stay tuned, and STOP BUYING IN BULK YOU ANIMALS!
See you tomorrow!
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Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
« Reply #500 on: March 24, 2020, 01:13:13 PM »
Tuesday on ABC’s “The View,” 2020 Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden had a confusing answer when asked about the coronavirus outbreak.

Co-host Sara Haines asked, “We talked about Trump saying the government would reassess the wrecked period for keeping businesses shut and people at home. Are you at all concerned as Trump said that we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself?”

Actual Joe Biden Quote: "We have to take care of the cure. That will make the problem worse, no matter what. No matter what."



https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/03/24/biden-on-coronavirus-we-have-to-take-care-of-the-cure-that-will-make-the-problem-worse-no-matter-what/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook
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Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
« Reply #501 on: March 24, 2020, 02:41:04 PM »
We know we do not shut down the us economy for the flu season each year - 40,000 deaths annually conservatively. In fact, it’s never been a consideration.

We know who shut down business. And we know who stayed open. And we know the areas where tens of thousands visited and partied

This will all be revealed as a very economically damaging but necessary health move. Or the biggest scam of the last two centuries.

We shall see.

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« Reply #502 on: March 24, 2020, 04:19:16 PM »
We know we do not shut down the us economy for the flu season each year - 40,000 deaths annually conservatively. In fact, it’s never been a consideration.

We know who shut down business. And we know who stayed open. And we know the areas where tens of thousands visited and partied

This will all be revealed as a very economically damaging but necessary health move. Or the biggest scam of the last two centuries.

We shall see.

I'm going with:

Corona is a major over-reaction designed by the Democrats as a last-ditch effort to harm President Trump

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« Reply #503 on: March 24, 2020, 04:21:55 PM »
I'm going with:

Corona is a major over-reaction designed by the Democrats as a last-ditch effort to harm President Trump
More like. "Never let a good crisis go to waste".
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« Reply #504 on: March 24, 2020, 04:33:42 PM »
Part 2 Coronovirus lesson....

You are all doing a great job, and I appreciate the feedback, and your continued interest in learning about the virus causing this.
 
One issue to consider:
We are being asked to stay home to flatten the curve (and slow the progression).  We are (in most locations) still allowed to go on runs for essentials.  However, make sure you are buying normally, not in bulk and not for hoarding.  My brother-in-law is a buyer for supermarkets.  He sent me a message yesterday to make sure folks know that there is no supply shortage. If we shop normally, the shelves will look normal.  If you go to the store, and shelves look bare, it is because individual consumers have changed their buying habits.  Stores can only receive so much supply on one truck, so they can only stock what they can stock.  If you buy normally, the stores will go back to looking normal with normal supply.  This is just one of the many reasons not to panic.  Panic buying leads to shortages.

Back to class, friends:
So, we left off with HOW the virus is transmitted.
Trixie has done her damage, and now there are viruses replicating inside your own cells without your knowledge… for now.
What are the stages of illness, and the causes of those stages?
Well, I referenced the “incubation period” yesterday.  That is the period of time where you are infected, and virus is replicating inside you, but you aren’t showing any symptoms.  It is likely that at some point in this period, you will become contagious, but we aren’t totally sure at what point this happens. 
Our current understanding is that this period lasts between 2 and 14 days, with an average of 4 days. 
During the initial, replication stage of infection, our immune system notices.  It does this, because our cells have a process inside of them where if any individual cell detects an invader inside, it will display a “flag” of sorts on the outside of the cell, alerting our immune system.  At this point, there are a number of things that can happen to put a stop to the progression of illness.  However, in an infection that is different enough than infections that have passed through the population in the past, we won’t have a way of containing the illness before it becomes a full-blown infection.  The initial steps our immune system takes will become overwhelmed and fail.
During this stage, relatively mild symptoms can occur, and these symptoms are usually due to direct effects of the virus on the cells as well as chemicals released by our immune cells. The symptoms are usually fever, cough (non-productive), and malaise (a fancy way of saying “I feel crappy”).  The symptoms are so mild during this stage that patients rarely feel bad enough to seek care.  They will, however, sit at home cursing the name of Trixie.
After this early phase, we start to see more symptoms. This pulmonary phase results in more respiratory symptoms due to invasion and damage of the lung cells that are involved in holding our smallest airways open and mediate exchange of gasses from the air we breathe into the blood that flows through the lungs to collect oxygen.
We also see an increase in the body’s immune response resulting in inflammation.  This is when we see patients begin to feel worse and seek care.  They are short of breath, and not able to maintain adequate oxygenation.  If they continue to deteriorate, this is where the paths diverge between those who experience mild or moderate disease who can recover at home and those who require hospitalization.
On average, if a patient is going to develop severe disease, they will get to the point where they are short of breath at 6 days after exposure.  They require admission, on average, at 8 days after exposure and require intubation or ICU admission at about 10 days after exposure.  Remember that these are averages, and can’t really predict the clinical course of any one patient who gets sick.
If a patient progresses farther to this severe stage, this is where a storm of immune chemicals causes inflammation and immune response all over the body, even though the amount of virus in the body is falling.  Remember that only a small percentage of folks enter this severe stage of illness, and most make a U-turn in one of the first stages and progress back to recovery. 
I don’t teach you about these things to frighten you at all, because my goal is always the opposite.  However, I can’t educate you about just PART of what happens.  That wouldn’t be very genuine.  Trixie might do that, but not me
The small percentage that progress to severe disease are usually the elderly or the at-risk folks.  We protect them, by learning about this disease, and taking measures to protect them.  We all know someone who is at-risk, and we want to keep them safe!
The photo today is my poor, at-risk Tatiana.  This girl is scared of everything, including Coronavirus, but it's ok.  She prefers to "shelter in place" all the time, naturally social distancing
You’re all doing great, and I appreciate all of you!
Keep up the good work, stay tuned, and STOP BUYING IN BULK YOU ANIMALS!
See you tomorrow!

GREAT POST !

Social Isolation and Quarantines are, in a way, a Science Experiment.

How do we know if it worked ?

Fortunately, we have an Urban Community that has volunteered to ignore all prudent actions, and act as a Control.

WATCH THEM CLOSELY

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/03/22/paris-no-go-zone-police-overwhelmed-attempting-to-enforce-quarantine/?fbclid=IwAR3DJvkcbnRlz8skYNMkUtlF3ohsuUSLNnSrfonMTeRw9t0e-gYDxV3xzr8

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Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
« Reply #505 on: March 25, 2020, 05:07:26 AM »
I'm voting with rotwang and solar on this one....

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Re: COVID-19, known as WUFLU
« Reply #506 on: March 25, 2020, 05:23:14 AM »
More like. "Never let a good crisis go to waste".

And Trump seized the opportunity!  :lol: :lol:
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« Reply #507 on: March 25, 2020, 06:30:23 AM »
And Trump seized the opportunity!  :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

In retrospect, he literally threw water on the Dims fire before they could get started. That's why his poll numbers are at their highest approval point to date.
The man is a damn genius!!! :thumbsup:
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« Reply #508 on: March 25, 2020, 06:42:31 AM »
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

In retrospect, he literally threw water on the Dims fire before they could get started. That's why his poll numbers are at their highest approval point to date.
The man is a damn genius!!! :thumbsup:
As they say, sit tight you ain't seen nothing yet. Biden is busy having debates with himself and losing, bernie is repeating a message no one is listening to anymore, pelosi has been exposed as the drunken hag she is, (no wonder she tried to pass all that crap, its their last chance). Trump will not have the same road blocks for the next four years.

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« Reply #509 on: March 25, 2020, 06:47:37 AM »
As they say, sit tight you ain't seen nothing yet. Biden is busy having debates with himself and losing, bernie is repeating a message no one is listening to anymore, pelosi has been exposed as the drunken hag she is, (no wonder she tried to pass all that crap, its their last chance). Trump will not have the same road blocks for the next four years.

Trump will always have RINO's, Dem's and the MSM using road blocks.
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