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Title: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Solar on November 21, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
The State Department on Monday commemorated Transgender Day of Remembrance, honoring transgenders who died through "acts of violence."

"On Transgender Day of Remembrance, the United States honors the memory of the many transgender individuals who have lost their lives to acts of violence," Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said in a statement.

"Transgender individuals and their advocates, along with lesbian, gay, bisexual and intersex persons, are facing increasing physical attacks and arbitrary arrests in many parts of the world. Often these attacks are perpetrated by government officials, undermining the rule of law," Tillerson added.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-arter/state-dept-marks-transgender-day-remembrance
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Possum on November 21, 2017, 04:20:10 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 21, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
The State Department on Monday commemorated Transgender Day of Remembrance, honoring transgenders who died through "acts of violence."

"On Transgender Day of Remembrance, the United States honors the memory of the many transgender individuals who have lost their lives to acts of violence," Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said in a statement.

"Transgender individuals and their advocates, along with lesbian, gay, bisexual and intersex persons, are facing increasing physical attacks and arbitrary arrests in many parts of the world. Often these attacks are perpetrated by government officials, undermining the rule of law," Tillerson added.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-arter/state-dept-marks-transgender-day-remembrance
Can't answer that question as it is waaayyy to difficult for me. BUT, if you can find someone who can answer that question, can you please ask him/her "Why is Sessions still in office?"
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Walter Josh on November 22, 2017, 11:57:05 AM
Quote from: s3779m on November 21, 2017, 04:20:10 PM
Can't answer that question as it is waaayyy to difficult for me. BUT, if you can find someone who can answer that question, can you please ask him/her "Why is Sessions still in office?"
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Lord have mercy!
It appears that Tiffany Trump is his main adviser on Cabinet choices.
As for the transgender fandango, Article II explicitly defines the
role of POTUS as C-IN-C of our armed forces.
Someone alert goober Sessions at DOJ.
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Ms.Independence on November 24, 2017, 07:50:32 PM
Quote from: s3779m on November 21, 2017, 04:20:10 PM
Can't answer that question as it is waaayyy to difficult for me. BUT, if you can find someone who can answer that question, can you please ask him/her "Why is Sessions still in office?"

Bingo.  Why is Sessions still in office as well as Rosenstein and Mueller? Too late on Mueller as he's on the warpath; first with Manafort and now Flynn.  Flynn and his attorney are no longer even communicating with Trump's attorney which indicates that Flynn has collaborated in some way with Mueller.
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Walter Josh on November 24, 2017, 11:26:16 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on November 24, 2017, 07:50:32 PM
Bingo.  Why is Sessions still in office as well as Rosenstein and Mueller? Too late on Mueller as he's on the warpath; first with Manafort and now Flynn.  Flynn and his attorney are no longer even communicating with Trump's attorney which indicates that Flynn has collaborated in some way with Mueller.
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Rome endured almost 12 centuries because leaders such as Caesar, Octavian and Tiberius;
among many, understood the critical need to measure character.
As we approach a year in Office, Trump the Chump, has confirmed that he doesn't even know
how to spell character, much less discern it. As a consequence we have Sessions the Schmuck.
On the bright side, at least he didn't choose Scaramouch as his running mate.
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Sauce on November 25, 2017, 06:14:57 AM
Quote from: Walter Josh on November 24, 2017, 11:26:16 PM
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Rome endured almost 12 centuries because leaders such as Caesar, Octavian and Tiberius;
among many, understood the critical need to measure character.
As we approach a year in Office, Trump the Chump, has confirmed that he doesn't even know
how to spell character, much less discern it. As a consequence we have Sessions the Schmuck.
On the bright side, at least he didn't choose Scaramouch as his running mate.

Sad but true, its hard to figure what and or who is Trumps rudder.  Hard to reconcile some of his appointments with a lot of the good true conservative reversals of O's EOs, security/defense policies and judge appointments he has made
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Solar on November 25, 2017, 07:37:19 AM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on November 24, 2017, 07:50:32 PM
Bingo.  Why is Sessions still in office as well as Rosenstein and Mueller? Too late on Mueller as he's on the warpath; first with Manafort and now Flynn.  Flynn and his attorney are no longer even communicating with Trump's attorney which indicates that Flynn has collaborated in some way with Mueller.

Those are the current leftist talking points running the Washington circuit.
Do you ever actually question the pablum leftist media feeds you? Try this on for size, put yourself in his position.
His lawyers are in the process of wrapping this nonsense up, they contact Trump's lawyers and explain a closing ploy, agree the case is closed, both attornies agree and thank one another for all the work.

In the meantime, the left is feverishly working with nothing outside of leftist media to spin this as a possible flip.
This is pablum for the masses, the only thing they'll remember from all this bull shit is a Trump guy was investigated and 'almost turned on Trump.
There was no almost about it, but that's what the LSM just convinced you is happening.
Nothing happens, and next week the left floats another story created out of whole cloth.

You claim you don't get your news from leftist sources, yet you come here and puke Washpo verbatim?

Now show me how you came to that conclusion, show me evidence backing such a silly assumption.
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: nzone on November 27, 2017, 07:08:14 AM
Tillerson  still in office because of ONE reason, He is Good? Also, he is tired of taking shit from JARVANKA who really wants that job. Don't laugh with TRUMP record of appointments JARVANKA could be the next Sec of STATE if T REX leaves. JMO and I have no links. JMO = Just my opinion, one person!
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Solar on November 27, 2017, 07:32:53 AM
Quote from: nzone on November 27, 2017, 07:08:14 AM
Tillerson  still in office because of ONE reason, He is Good? Also, he is tired of taking shit from JARVANKA who really wants that job. Don't laugh with TRUMP record of appointments JARVANKA could be the next Sec of STATE if T REX leaves. JMO and I have no links. JMO = Just my opinion, one person!
JMO, but I see an eventual appointment as an Ambassador position for these two.
Trump will offer them a position out of the country and out of his wild hair.
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: supsalemgr on November 27, 2017, 07:51:49 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2017, 07:32:53 AM
JMO, but I see an eventual appointment as an Ambassador position for these two.
Trump will offer them a position out of the country and out of his wild hair.

Trump is no dummy. Do you think he is figuring out he needs conservatives to achieve his goals?
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Solar on November 27, 2017, 08:41:00 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on November 27, 2017, 07:51:49 AM
Trump is no dummy. Do you think he is figuring out he needs conservatives to achieve his goals?
Yeah, I pondered that one for some time now. And I think he knows it's the only option available.
I think it was The Con that wanted Bannon out, so Trump made an agreement with Bannon which is why he's out and free to promote Conservatives, out of the reach of Con the head RINO.

Trump is also backing Moore over protestations of the Con. When Trump backed the Establishment pick, instead of Moore, he looked the fool for it, Trump learned a valuable lesson, that his power comes from the people, not the Establishment.
The Con had Trump so convinced of Moore's loss, he went against his better judgment.
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Solar on November 27, 2017, 09:31:51 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on November 27, 2017, 07:51:49 AM
Trump is no dummy. Do you think he is figuring out he needs conservatives to achieve his goals?

Though he didn't heed Bannon's warnings in backing Strange, Trump was totally perplexed when Strange was battered at the polls.


QuotePresident Donald Trump could largely stay out of Alabama's Republican Senate race, leaving it to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and his allies to carry Sen. Luther Strange through a primary runoff.

Days after leaving the White House, Steve Bannon urged a group of influential conservatives to back former Judge Roy Moore over Strange in their late-September runoff. Two White House staffers, Trump legislative affairs aide Paul Teller and Mike Pence public outreach director Sarah Makin, participate in the group's meetings.
At the meeting of the Conservative Action Project, which does not get involved in races but includes representatives of heavyweight conservative groups that do, Bannon took pains to emphasize that he wasn't breaking with Trump. Instead, he said, he was aligning with figures such as conservative talk radio host Mark Levin and "Duck Dynasty" patriarch Phil Robertson to strike a blow against the GOP establishment -- "and in this case, in a more narrow sense, against Mitch McConnell," a source familiar with the meeting said.

The Con must be shitting his pants at what is happening as he watches his political career coming to a screeching halt.
Truth is, after the beating the RINO get in 2018, there will be a vote called on his failed leadership based on a no-confidence vote, at which point a leader will be chosen that pleases to the Conservative Caucus.

No, I can't back up the obvious, but 2010 was only the beginning of the Conservative base killing off Marxists in both party's.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/30/politics/trump-alabama-senate/index.html
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: nzone on November 27, 2017, 09:34:18 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2017, 07:32:53 AM
JMO, but I see an eventual appointment as an Ambassador position for these two.
Trump will offer them a position out of the country and out of his wild hair.

Agree, They would be great in FRANCE. All their Muslim friends are their and they can think they are better than everyone else and have the French language so they can think they smarter than everyone and good restaurants. Perfect place for JARVANKA and Ivanka? :biggrin:
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Possum on November 27, 2017, 09:46:52 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 27, 2017, 09:31:51 AM
Though he didn't heed Bannon's warnings in backing Strange, Trump was totally perplexed when Strange was battered at the polls.


The Con must be shitting his pants at what is happening as he watches his political career coming to a screeching halt.
Truth is, after the beating the RINO get in 2018, there will be a vote called on his failed leadership based on a no-confidence vote, at which point a leader will be chosen that pleases to the Conservative Caucus.

No, I can't back up the obvious, but 2010 was only the beginning of the Conservative base killing off Marxists in both party's.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/30/politics/trump-alabama-senate/index.html
All of those rino's are not retiring because they found a nice cushy job somewhere that pays better.   THAT'S your proof. :thumbup:
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Solar on November 27, 2017, 09:56:57 AM
Quote from: s3779m on November 27, 2017, 09:46:52 AM
All of those rino's are not retiring because they found a nice cushy job somewhere that pays better.   THAT'S your proof. :thumbup:
Bingo!
Like I said, you won't find actual data, but when the smoke is billowing and the fire is headed towards you, you don't someone else to tell you to get the Hell out of town. :biggrin:
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Ms.Independence on November 27, 2017, 06:04:41 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 25, 2017, 07:37:19 AM
Those are the current leftist talking points running the Washington circuit.
Do you ever actually question the pablum leftist media feeds you? Try this on for size, put yourself in his position.
His lawyers are in the process of wrapping this nonsense up, they contact Trump's lawyers and explain a closing ploy, agree the case is closed, both attornies agree and thank one another for all the work.

In the meantime, the left is feverishly working with nothing outside of leftist media to spin this as a possible flip.
This is pablum for the masses, the only thing they'll remember from all this bull shit is a Trump guy was investigated and 'almost turned on Trump.
There was no almost about it, but that's what the LSM just convinced you is happening.
Nothing happens, and next week the left floats another story created out of whole cloth.

You claim you don't get your news from leftist sources, yet you come here and puke Washpo verbatim?

Now show me how you came to that conclusion, show me evidence backing such a silly assumption.

Really?  DO NOT put words in my mouth OR accuse me of puking leftists talking points as nothing could be further from the truth.  I've been posting in here for quite some time and if you still want to sling your holier than thou, self-righteous b.s. at me,  go for it.  Yes, I've realized for quite some time, your opinion is always right and it's either your way or the highway. No problem, I know where the door is.
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Solar on November 27, 2017, 07:07:11 PM
Quote from: Ms.Independence on November 27, 2017, 06:04:41 PM
Really?  DO NOT put words in my mouth OR accuse me of puking leftists talking points as nothing could be further from the truth.  I've been posting in here for quite some time and if you still want to sling your holier than thou, self-righteous b.s. at me,  go for it.  Yes, I've realized for quite some time, your opinion is always right and it's either your way or the highway. No problem, I know where the door is.
I literally had just left an NBC-BS site that was running a Wsahpo video that said exactly the same shit you had just regurgitated as your own opinion.

Quote from: Ms.Independence on November 24, 2017, 07:50:32 PM
Flynn and his attorney are no longer even communicating with Trump's attorney which indicates that Flynn has collaborated in some way with Mueller.

I explained exactly how it works when attornies close out a case, they simply stop, it really is that simple, they were done, they had no more to discuss because there is no case, no evidence, but you apparently have some inside information. (Leftist Media Talking Points!)
So tell us, just how did you come to this 'Oh Sooo' enlightened leftist opinion all by yourself? :rolleyes:

Do you take us for a bunch of morons or something? You aren't even fooling yourself!
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Walter Josh on November 27, 2017, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: nzone on November 27, 2017, 09:34:18 AM
Agree, They would be great in FRANCE. All their Muslim friends are their and they can think they are better than everyone else and have the French language so they can think they smarter than everyone and good restaurants. Perfect place for JARVANKA and Ivanka? :biggrin:
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Ivanka has a twin sister?????
Title: Why is Tillerson still the Secretary of State?
Post by: Hoofer on December 10, 2017, 04:33:27 AM
Per the subject line, "Why IS Tillerson still the Secretary of State?"

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/u-s-still-wont-list-jerusalem-israels-capital-official-docs-passports-maps/?
QuoteState Department officials who spoke to the Free Beacon about the situation said that while it supports Trump's declaration that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, it is not yet at the point where it will list Jerusalem as part of Israel on passports, maps, and official documents. This means that official documents, such as passports, will not, at this point, list "Jerusalem, Israel" as a place that exists.

The State Department's careful parsing of the issue has already drawn outrage on Capitol Hill, where some lawmakers are describing this as part of an effort to undermine the Trump White House's clear-cut declaration on the matter.

"The president is the commander-in-chief and America's sole organ when it comes to conducting foreign policy," Rep. Ron DeSantis (R., Fla.), a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told the Free Beacon.  "Article II of the Constitution does not vest this authority in bureaucrats in the State Department."

Pretty clear to me...   What's the problem?   Someone having trouble READING the Constitution?   Public Education rearing it's illiterate head, Johnny can't read?

QuoteHowever, "the specific boundaries of Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem are subject to final status negotiations," the official said, explaining that the holy city's exact location and placement in Israel proper is still up for debate.

Up for WHAT debate?   Please explain!

"While we are affirming the current and historic reality of Jerusalem's role as Israel's capital and seat of government, any ultimate determination of sovereignty over Jerusalem will flow from the results of negotiations between the parties," the State Department official explained. [/quote]

This is easy to FIX, and it won't take much.  Fire Tillerson and the gentleman who can't bring himself to follow orders from the President.
If I were POTUS... my aids would have had to "hold me back from the telephone" - that urge to CALL and fire that insubordinate Clinton/Obama hold-over in the middle of that questioning.

"sir, you have a phone call from the President..."

"Huh?  Mr. President...  What?  Immediately..?   >click<   I'm sorry, Rep. DeSantis, I've been fired and asked to leave the premises immediately - the Marines are here to escort me out."

DONE.   You'd think a job "at the pleasure of the POTUS" would require 1% of your brain power to understand - the POTUS can fire me on-the-spot, if my service isn't performed with 100% support of the President's agenda.  To put on that kind of display of insubordination, in public (I heard the broadcast, and was agast!), IMO, calls for immediate termination.
Title: Re: Why is Tillerson still the Secretary of State?
Post by: Solar on December 10, 2017, 04:59:41 AM
Quote from: Hoofer on December 10, 2017, 04:33:27 AM
Per the subject line, "Why IS Tillerson still the Secretary of State?"

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/u-s-still-wont-list-jerusalem-israels-capital-official-docs-passports-maps/?
Pretty clear to me...   What's the problem?   Someone having trouble READING the Constitution?   Public Education rearing it's illiterate head, Johnny can't read?

Up for WHAT debate?   Please explain!

"While we are affirming the current and historic reality of Jerusalem's role as Israel's capital and seat of government, any ultimate determination of sovereignty over Jerusalem will flow from the results of negotiations between the parties," the State Department official explained.

This is easy to FIX, and it won't take much.  Fire Tillerson and the gentleman who can't bring himself to follow orders from the President.
If I were POTUS... my aids would have had to "hold me back from the telephone" - that urge to CALL and fire that insubordinate Clinton/Obama hold-over in the middle of that questioning.

"sir, you have a phone call from the President..."

"Huh?  Mr. President...  What?  Immediately..?   >click<   I'm sorry, Rep. DeSantis, I've been fired and asked to leave the premises immediately - the Marines are here to escort me out."

DONE.   You'd think a job "at the pleasure of the POTUS" would require 1% of your brain power to understand - the POTUS can fire me on-the-spot, if my service isn't performed with 100% support of the President's agenda.  To put on that kind of display of insubordination, in public (I heard the broadcast, and was agast!), IMO, calls for immediate termination.
I've been seeing the article on Tillerson saying "It will take years to accomplish this move".
I just couldn't bring myself to read that nonsense, knowing this was a way of placating to the left and the noisemakers in the M/E.
Now I'd like to see Trump, we have a site picked out and the Marines have it secured, so it's up and running".
Title: Re: Why is Tillerson still the Secretary of State?
Post by: Hoofer on December 10, 2017, 06:18:57 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 10, 2017, 04:59:41 AM
I've been seeing the article on Tillerson saying "It will take years to accomplish this move".
I just couldn't bring myself to read that nonsense, knowing this was a way of placating to the left and the noisemakers in the M/E.
Now I'd like to see Trump, we have a site picked out and the Marines have it secured, so it's up and running".
Sure.  Since 1995, 3 Presidents... it's taken till the 4th President to start the move.   I'm pretty sure there's a radical Islamic Mosque that could be leveled as a building site, space shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Why is Tillerson still the Secretary of State?
Post by: Solar on December 10, 2017, 11:31:51 AM
Quote from: Hoofer on December 10, 2017, 06:18:57 AM
Sure.  Since 1995, 3 Presidents... it's taken till the 4th President to start the move.   I'm pretty sure there's a radical Islamic Mosque that could be leveled as a building site, space shouldn't be a problem.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
And the Jews could LIVE with that.
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Walter Josh on December 11, 2017, 12:29:16 PM
An ongoing reflection on Tillerson and the gang.
The Ancients held close and dear the dictum of Heraclitus that "Character is Destiny";
one of the critical reasons Greece and Rome endured for more than 1200 years.
Trump, despite worthy intentions, is oblivious to this truth, which is why we have Sessions and Tillerson.
While the left seethes w/smouldering rage; Trump counters w/infantile tweets, assuming his
verbal abuse and sarcasm sufficient to get their attention and respect; but this is the errand of a fool.
As days morph into weeks and months; it is beyond obvious that Trump has surrounded himself
w/those who flatter him because he's desperately needy of applause; as his pep rallies attest.
Consider:
* He's at the 25% mark of his term; is the 'Swamp' 25% drained?????
* The R establishment has undisguised contempt and loathing for him, a cold reality.
* Leaders must be capable if instilling fear in their mortal enemies; so who fears Trump????
While hopes and wishes are well intentioned; the current situation cannot endure
as we will not escape history.
   
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Hoofer on December 11, 2017, 05:16:59 PM
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 11, 2017, 12:29:16 PM
An ongoing reflection on Tillerson and the gang.
The Ancients held close and dear the dictum of Heraclitus that "Character is Destiny";
one of the critical reasons Greece and Rome endured for more than 1200 years.
Trump, despite worthy intentions, is oblivious to this truth, which is why we have Sessions and Tillerson.
While the left seethes w/smouldering rage; Trump counters w/infantile tweets, assuming his
verbal abuse and sarcasm sufficient to get their attention and respect; but this is the errand of a fool.
As days morph into weeks and months; it is beyond obvious that Trump has surrounded himself
w/those who flatter him because he's desperately needy of applause; as his pep rallies attest.
Consider:
* He's at the 25% mark of his term; is the 'Swamp' 25% drained?????
* The R establishment has undisguised contempt and loathing for him, a cold reality.
* Leaders must be capable if instilling fear in their mortal enemies; so who fears Trump????
While hopes and wishes are well intentioned; the current situation cannot endure
as we will not escape history.


Slow down there, Walt...!
We're all surprised by the Character of Donald Trump - none of us, including you (I'll bet) ever thought he was this kind of Patriotic American - that's a huge surprise!   I think we expected him to do a sharp left turn and suck the whole RINO wing of the party with him, he has not.

It ain't over till it's over.  President Donald Trump might have a rather unique problem - where the hell are the Patriots like himself, willing to step up, take a position and put up a good serious fight!?  He (and we) thought Jeff Sessions was a decent pick, but the fatal error was recusing himself - and we got "this Mueller mess", destined to drag on through the next election.

You know darn well, Walt, President Trump is doing a pretty good job with what he's got to work with, and undermining the strong hold of the Democrats, the Main Steam Media in the process.   Who could have possibly seen that coming!? 

Did you expect the Marxists and their Media pals to just "roll over" and "give up" - "...yes... Donald won fair and square, we lost, there's nothing we can do but go along with him."   not on your life, Walt.  At this point, direct your fire at the enemy, IMO, you've got some good literary guns, keep them pointed "out there"... brother.
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Solar on December 11, 2017, 06:13:56 PM
Quote from: Hoofer on December 11, 2017, 05:16:59 PM
Slow down there, Walt...!
We're all surprised by the Character of Donald Trump - none of us, including you (I'll bet) ever thought he was this kind of Patriotic American - that's a huge surprise!   I think we expected him to do a sharp left turn and suck the whole RINO wing of the party with him, he has not.

It ain't over till it's over.  President Donald Trump might have a rather unique problem - where the hell are the Patriots like himself, willing to step up, take a position and put up a good serious fight!?  He (and we) thought Jeff Sessions was a decent pick, but the fatal error was recusing himself - and we got "this Mueller mess", destined to drag on through the next election.

You know darn well, Walt, President Trump is doing a pretty good job with what he's got to work with, and undermining the strong hold of the Democrats, the Main Steam Media in the process.   Who could have possibly seen that coming!? 

Did you expect the Marxists and their Media pals to just "roll over" and "give up" - "...yes... Donald won fair and square, we lost, there's nothing we can do but go along with him."   not on your life, Walt.  At this point, direct your fire at the enemy, IMO, you've got some good literary guns, keep them pointed "out there"... brother.
Well said.
Like you, I too am extremely surprised he didn't align with the RINO, and to be honest, Cruz would not have fared any better, in fact, Cruz was more hated by the Establishment than Trump, so it's safe to say, he'd be pulling his hair out trying to get anything accomplished, further damaging the Conservative movement..
To Trump's credit, he has not stopped since he took office, busily appointing judges, undoing illegal EO's by the Marxist, pushing quietly, Klinton's investigation, all of which will take one Hell of a long time to produce fruit, so patience is all one can ask for at this point.

Trump mastered the leftist M/O of the media setting the narrative by outsmarting them at their own game, and setting the narrative he wants, and just when they think they've caught up, he tweets a new scathing attack and back to square one, they go.
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Walter Josh on December 11, 2017, 08:27:14 PM
Quote from: Hoofer on December 11, 2017, 05:16:59 PM
Slow down there, Walt...!
We're all surprised by the Character of Donald Trump - none of us, including you (I'll bet) ever thought he was this kind of Patriotic American - that's a huge surprise!   I think we expected him to do a sharp left turn and suck the whole RINO wing of the party with him, he has not.

It ain't over till it's over.  President Donald Trump might have a rather unique problem - where the hell are the Patriots like himself, willing to step up, take a position and put up a good serious fight!?  He (and we) thought Jeff Sessions was a decent pick, but the fatal error was recusing himself - and we got "this Mueller mess", destined to drag on through the next election.

You know darn well, Walt, President Trump is doing a pretty good job with what he's got to work with, and undermining the strong hold of the Democrats, the Main Steam Media in the process.   Who could have possibly seen that coming!? 

Did you expect the Marxists and their Media pals to just "roll over" and "give up" - "...yes... Donald won fair and square, we lost, there's nothing we can do but go along with him."   not on your life, Walt.  At this point, direct your fire at the enemy, IMO, you've got some good literary guns, keep them pointed "out there"... brother.
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Hoofer,
Your opinion is honorable.
So let me remain silent.
Stay well.
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Hoofer on December 12, 2017, 12:00:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Josh on December 11, 2017, 08:27:14 PM
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Hoofer,
Your opinion is honorable.
So let me remain silent.
Stay well.

No, brother, it's just too early to turn on Trump.   He may fumble from time to time, but, he's still moving it handily towards a pretty impressive win.   I'm tempted too... but - I'm trying to remember who the enemy really is, and the stakes are high.

Tillerson, from my perspective, and I can't see everything entirely - is NOT helping the cause, Trump needs to replace him - but with whom?
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: AndyJackson on December 12, 2017, 03:07:17 PM
Suffice it to say that we all like Cruz more as a pure conservative, and with a "clean slate" before any of the election / governing experiences we've seen, wanted Cruz over Trump.

But.... now armed with the knowledge of the totally unprecedented and unimaginable hate, corruption, and treason of the left and 75% of the right.... we know that Trump is the only person anywhere on the right who could, or would, fight this insurrection.

Cruz would have tried to achieve his conservative goals for however long it took for him to get frustrated (not very long would be my guess), and he then would have settled into defensive mode for 4 years.

Trump is the only person who can do what he's doing, and beat these bastards to boot.  We are lucky it fell this way.  NTM that Trump has given us many things that Cruz would have.  Gorsuch, Iran deal, Paris Accord, Israel - Jerusalem, good judges, many other EO's.  Cruz may or may not have had the ability to fight off the insurrection from the left, deep state, and MSM.

I think Trump may have some private security / intel ops that have helped him, and some historical partnerships that are paying off.

I also think he's got some "white hats" in the intel swamp that are helping him screw with the media ("leaks" that have helped them publish the incredibly stupid / fake stories).

Lastly, I think Trump also has ahold of Obama's blackmail database of CIA / NSA snooping.  He's not a blackmailer like Obama, but I have a sneaking feeling that he's using it to burn the DC and Hollywood scum layer.  He also may be using it on Mueller and crew.  Those guys are dropping like flies in every way possible.

Last grenade he has to throw is the Kennedy files;  I'm guessing that he's told a few people "hey, your dad / uncle / grampa / etc. are sitting ducks in these files.... re-think and correct yourself".

I'm loving this stuff.
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Hoofer on December 12, 2017, 03:41:41 PM
Quote from: AndyJackson on December 12, 2017, 03:07:17 PM
Suffice it to say that we all like Cruz more as a pure conservative, and with a "clean slate" before any of the election / governing experiences we've seen, wanted Cruz over Trump.

But.... now armed with the knowledge of the totally unprecedented and unimaginable hate, corruption, and treason of the left and 75% of the right.... we know that Trump is the only person anywhere on the right who could, or would, fight this insurrection.

Cruz would have tried to achieve his conservative goals for however long it took for him to get frustrated (not very long would be my guess), and he then would have settled into defensive mode for 4 years.

Trump is the only person who can do what he's doing, and beat these bastards to boot.  We are lucky it fell this way.  NTM that Trump has given us many things that Cruz would have.  Gorsuch, Iran deal, Paris Accord, Israel - Jerusalem, good judges, many other EO's.  Cruz may or may not have had the ability to fight off the insurrection from the left, deep state, and MSM.

I think Trump may have some private security / intel ops that have helped him, and some historical partnerships that are paying off.

I also think he's got some "white hats" in the intel swamp that are helping him screw with the media ("leaks" that have helped them publish the incredibly stupid / fake stories).

Lastly, I think Trump also has ahold of Obama's blackmail database of CIA / NSA snooping.  He's not a blackmailer like Obama, but I have a sneaking feeling that he's using it to burn the DC and Hollywood scum layer.  He also may be using it on Mueller and crew.  Those guys are dropping like flies in every way possible.

Last grenade he has to throw is the Kennedy files;  I'm guessing that he's told a few people "hey, your dad / uncle / grampa / etc. are sitting ducks in these files.... re-think and correct yourself".

I'm loving this stuff.

I think you are on to something.  I agree completely with the Cruz assessment, Trump is better suited to attack the left... and slide policy, after policy through, under the nose of the Leftists. 

But, does President Trump have dirt on the Dems....?   One could only wish.   I didn't realize it at the time, John Kennedy being exposed as a rapist and pervert - again, that's a perspective I missed entirely - very observant!   Very interesting post!
Title: Re: WTF? Why Is Tillerson Still In Office?
Post by: Possum on December 12, 2017, 03:56:57 PM
Quote from: Hoofer on December 12, 2017, 03:41:41 PM
I think you are on to something.  I agree completely with the Cruz assessment, Trump is better suited to attack the left... and slide policy, after policy through, under the nose of the Leftists. 

But, does President Trump have dirt on the Dems....?   One could only wish.   I didn't realize it at the time, John Kennedy being exposed as a rapist and pervert - again, that's a perspective I missed entirely - very observant!   Very interesting post!
I have to say Trump has been pretty darn good at getting rid of obama's executive actions. And his legacy. Much as I wanted Cruz, hard to say if he would have destroyed obama's legacy like Trump is doing.