I have been very suspicious of Rosenstein, so I don't immediately buy into the conclusion of this story.  However, this report presents interesting facts which support their conclusion that Rosenstein is a Hero who has been working closely with the President and will be a witness against the plotters of Spygate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqZT8PQfQKw

I think this is nothing more than a CYA exercise by Rosenstein. He knows the inside info on what Barr and Horowitz are about to drop and is just hoping he now can be on the winning side. He hasn't changed, only the circumstances have, and he is trying to help Trump now so that maybe he can get a pardon down the road.

Quote from: MichaelJ on May 03, 2019, 06:51:30 AM
I think this is nothing more than a CYA exercise by Rosenstein. He knows the inside info on what Barr and Horowitz are about to drop and is just hoping he now can be on the winning side. He hasn't changed, only the circumstances have, and he is trying to help Trump now so that maybe he can get a pardon down the road.

I agree with you. Rosenstein is looking for the most convenient "get out of jail" card.

Ugggh, I so tired of disinformation, be it left, Right or RINO, everyone plays their cards close to their heart.
Let us take a stroll down memory lane and ask why Rosenstein didn't want to declassify Docs Trump asked for.


All of this seems to be lost on Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the ranking minority member of the House Intelligence Committee, who has repeatedly championed the "collusion" canard.  Schiff claims that the current FBI Director, Robert Wray, and Deputy Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein, have proclaimed that the president's declassification order "crossed a red line."

While Schiff is notorious for hyperbole, his assertion of a "red line" is rather stunning.  Does it mean Rosenstein and Wray will defy the president's direct order and continue to obstruct lawful subpoenas issued by congress?  If so, they should be fired for rank insubordination.

In the alternative, they may endeavor to delay or "slow roll" the release of documents hoping that the political winds may shift or that control of Congress itself will change hands in the upcoming election.

Rosenstein has every reason to suppress the records. They may incriminate him. He affixed his signature to the final renewal of the FISA warrant application to continue spying on Carter Page.  He vouched for the authenticity and veracity of the information contained therein.  But if it was largely based on a "dossier" that was unverified and uncorroborated, Rosenstein may have been complicit in misusing his position of power in pursuit of a president who was wrongfully targeted by the FBI and DOJ.

Either way, the future does not bode well for Rod Rosenstein.  He appointed a special counsel without proper authority.

He then refused to recuse himself as a key witness in the very case he oversees.

All along the way, he has been obstructing Congress by withholding records they are entitled to have.

He surely knows what the declassified documents portend for himself.   

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gregg-jarrett-if-rod-rosenstein-defies-trumps-order-to-declassify-documents-he-should-be-fired

the only reason I posted it is that The Epoch Times is very pro-Trump and has proved to be a reliable source.  I was shocked by this report, but I'm willing to suspend judgement.  It's always bewildered me that right after the news broke about others saying that Rosenstein had offered to wear a wire to entrap Trump in a scheme to get rid of him, Trump summoned him to take a trip with him on Air Force One.  Trump's no dummy and he also knows what it's like to have his words twisted and his motives impugned. The President had just cause to fire him, so why didn't he?

I am willing to suspend judgement for awhile and wait to see what happens.  This is the first case I've seen where a reliable conservative source has portrayed Rosenstein as anything but a Deep State Scum sucking Traitor.

Things ain't so just cause someone says it's so, but it's worth consideration that Rosenstein was pretending to wear a black hat so he could work quietly and undisturbed on behalf of the President. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqZT8PQfQKw

Quote from: wally on May 03, 2019, 08:43:21 AM
the only reason I posted it is that The Epoch Times is very pro-Trump and has proved to be a reliable source.  I was shocked by this report, but I'm willing to suspend judgement.  It's always bewildered me that right after the news broke about others saying that Rosenstein had offered to wear a wire to entrap Trump in a scheme to get rid of him, Trump summoned him to take a trip with him on Air Force One.  Trump's no dummy and he also knows what it's like to have his words twisted and his motives impugned. The President had just cause to fire him, so why didn't he?

I am willing to suspend judgement for awhile and wait to see what happens.  This is the first case I've seen where a reliable conservative source has portrayed Rosenstein as anything but a Deep State Scum sucking Traitor.

Things ain't so just cause someone says it's so, but it's worth consideration that Rosenstein was pretending to wear a black hat so he could work quietly and undisturbed on behalf of the President. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqZT8PQfQKw

We're in total agreement. I love the Epoch Times, an extremely trusted source.
I was going through all the old Q posts Re: Rosenstein, and discovered that the posts never really called him a traitor, rather directed the reader to think deep on what was going on.
In retrospect, could it have been a disinformation campaign to keep the left off guard? Q knows the left follows his every post with hopes of figuring out what Trump's next move might be, so Trump not tipping his hand would keep everyone off balance.

We'll all know soon enough if Rosenstein turned on the black hats.

All this  just  makes me wonder how  in the hell Sessions was just a waste.

Quote from: supsalemgr on May 03, 2019, 07:35:43 AM
I agree with you. Rosenstein is looking for the most convenient "get out of jail" card.

Only item I would put $ on here is if he is putting spin on now, cant wait to see him sing in the witness chair.

Quote from: s3779m on May 03, 2019, 10:28:16 AM
Only item I would put $ on here is if he is putting spin on now, cant wait to see him sing in the witness chair.

I would put Rosenstien in the "never Trumper" category, say a republican sitting at the wrong end of the table. 
He made several mistakes...primarily signing that FiSA warrant will probably buy him time.

The regulation on appointing a Special Prosecutor is interesting, it allows for a DAG to appoint a SPC if
the AG has recused himself, However, the provisions for Firing an SPC is restricted to the AG (with no reference
to recusal or not).  Thus Sessions would have been able to Fire Mueller, (if he had any gonads).  The SPC
authority is a DOJ regulation, and makes no mention of the President firing an SPC, actually the President
has the article 2 power to dismiss any employee of the Executive Branch. 

Whatever, good riddance missy Rosenstein!!

Those who like EPOCH Times, can follow the owner on Twitter   Brian Cates @drawandstrike.  drawandstrike was
his forum name some years back.

My opinion is he's (now) a good guy.  He wasn't involved in the original stuff... he was US Attorney in Maryland.  I've been back and forth on both side of the fence, but have confidence he's a good guy since a few months ago.

If his job was to take down Trump, he's done a horrible job.  I think he signed off on the last FISA, of which he as not the affiant, which to my way of thinking means it will blow back on those who brought forth the illegal evidence... which is a perfect reason to sign off on it to keep the sting going.

I could be wrong, but the back and forth between he and McCabe was real, so that's another indicator.

Here's Cates' article:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/rod-rosenstein-hero_2901409.html

Quote from: taxed on May 03, 2019, 11:56:37 AM
Here's Cates' article:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/rod-rosenstein-hero_2901409.html

Thanks!

I think that it's useful to realize that all these guys have been living and working together in the swamp for a very long time.  Not all of these guys colluded with each other and foreign governments to illegally subvert a Presidential campaign and violate The Espionage Act, as well as engaging in a pattern of violating numerous other crimes.  For quite some time, innocent people may have been taken in by friends and associates whom they trusted and only stood up to do the right thing when they realized that something was going on which they thought could never happen in our country.   (or else, Rosenstein's guilty as hell and part of the cabal and the Epoch Times got this one wrong...we'll see  )

A long time ago, whe this cockamamie Investigation surfaced and Trump permitted a special council, I suspected it was either a trap set by trump or these guys were secretly working with him. Remember, Mueller "Ivestigation" revealed more Govt wrongdoing and exposed more violatios of the law, civil rights  and abuses of power by the FBI than anything else. Think on this, without the Mueller ivestigation, we would have ever known about the abuses and offenses committed by the FBI, the CIA and the rest of the letter agencies. Strozk, Page the Ohrs, Comey, McCabe all of them would have covered their tracks and hid things from a formal internal investigation Ordered by Sessions. But with Mueller, they eagerly turned everything over thinking he was going to nail Trump....who all along knew they had zip.

but id beware 0f Rosey, he knows they shot and missed ad now Trump is coming after them with a Hammer, so he is trying to make it look like he was in Trumps conrer all along

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on May 03, 2019, 02:55:40 PM
A long time ago, whe this cockamamie Investigation surfaced and Trump permitted a special council, I suspected it was either a trap set by trump or these guys were secretly working with him. Remember, Mueller "Ivestigation" revealed more Govt wrongdoing and exposed more violatios of the law, civil rights  and abuses of power by the FBI than anything else. Think on this, without the Mueller ivestigation, we would have ever known about the abuses and offenses committed by the FBI, the CIA and the rest of the letter agencies. Strozk, Page the Ohrs, Comey, McCabe all of them would have covered their tracks and hid things from a formal internal investigation Ordered by Sessions. But with Mueller, they eagerly turned everything over thinking he was going to nail Trump....who all along knew they had zip.

but id beware 0f Rosey, he knows they shot and missed ad now Trump is coming after them with a Hammer, so he is trying to make it look like he was in Trumps conrer all along

Yep, some of the NAZIS ended up on the gallows at Nuremberg, while a few of the real clever ones ended up working for our side after the war.   How little things change.