If he does and it looks like he will, he gets my vote hands down.
The end of the clip says it all.
Rand Paul: I'm Thinking About Running For President - O'Reilly Factor 2/5/2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CwbQTvUQH8#)
Count me in as well...
He would certainly receive my consideration. One of his appeals is he apperas not to be timid about addressing the actual issues and talking about them. With this being the birthday of Ronaldo Magnus I will add that there is something about him that reminds me of Reagan in how he simplifies what he is saying. I do want to hear more about his foreign policy ideas as his Dad's philosophy turned me off.
It might be to early to commit to any one candidate but RP is my choice at this time.
Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2013, 11:44:04 AM
If he does and it looks like he will, he gets my vote hands down.
The end of the clip says it all.
Rand Paul: I'm Thinking About Running For President - O'Reilly Factor 2/5/2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CwbQTvUQH8#)
In a heartbeat. All others need not apply.
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 06, 2013, 12:09:14 PM
He would certainly receive my consideration. One of his appeals is he apperas not to be timid about addressing the actual issues and talking about them. With this being the birthday of Ronaldo Magnus I will add that there is something about him that reminds me of Reagan in how he simplifies what he is saying. I do want to hear more about his foreign policy ideas as his Dad's philosophy turned me off.
That was what was holding me back as well, until I heard him speak briefly on the subject.
He shares my opinion in a necessary presence where our interests are concerned, but places like Europe are in question where bases are concerned.
He emphasized we have a Constitutional obligation to a strong Military, but thinks we have no business in certain parts of the world.
QuoteHe agreed that European governments should be expected to increase their military spending and provide more for their own security, and he described changes he would like to see in the U.S. military presence in Europe: "I think the old Cold War mentality of having tens of thousands of troops waiting for a land invasion from Eastern Europe—you know, that no longer exists, and I think we do need to reassess our presence around the world."
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rand-paul-foreign-policy-is-congresss-business/ (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rand-paul-foreign-policy-is-congresss-business/)
But to alleviate the suspicion that he is for pulling our troops out of the global theater, here is what he said about Libya.
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Rand Paul: Obama Needs to Increase Military Presence in Libya, Middle East
Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/rand-paul-libya-benghazi/2013/02/01/id/488549#ixzz2KA2VN73m (http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/rand-paul-libya-benghazi/2013/02/01/id/488549#ixzz2KA2VN73m)
Quote from: Shooterman on February 06, 2013, 02:06:28 PM
In a heartbeat. All others need not apply.
I can see the entire Right getting behind a Paul ticket, even some libs and definitely a majority of Independents.
The left is now disillusioned with Husein, especially since anyone receiving a paycheck saw it magically shrink. :lol:
Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2013, 02:37:51 PM
I can see the entire Right getting behind a Paul ticket, even some libs and definitely a majority of Independents.
The left is now disillusioned with Husein, especially since anyone receiving a paycheck saw it magically shrink. :lol:
Who knew the H stood for Houdini...
Quote from: Shooterman on February 06, 2013, 02:06:28 PM
In a heartbeat. All others need not apply.
The library media will be attacking him for the next 4 years. I hope his wife has very thick skin.
In a heartbeat..... :thumbsup:
My respect for him grows daily everytime I hear him.
Billy
Hear, Hear...He will get my vote.
I just had to post this, it was when Rand was questioning Kerry.
Ya gotta love the lib, at least he is consistent when it comes to flip flopping. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
"That's the question I had for Kerry the other day: do you agree with the candidate Obama or the President Obama? Candidate Obama said that we shouldn't unilaterally go to war without the authority of Congress, but President Obama took us there in Libya. Kerry's response was, 'I agree with the Constitution, except when I don't agree with the Constitution, or when it's difficult.'
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rand-paul-foreign-policy-is-congresss-business/ (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rand-paul-foreign-policy-is-congresss-business/)
Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2013, 03:09:05 PM
I just had to post this, it was when Rand was questioning Kerry.
Ya gotta love the lib, at least he is consistent when it comes to flip flopping. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
"That's the question I had for Kerry the other day: do you agree with the candidate Obama or the President Obama? Candidate Obama said that we shouldn't unilaterally go to war without the authority of Congress, but President Obama took us there in Libya. Kerry's response was, 'I agree with the Constitution, except when I don't agree with the Constitution, or when it's difficult.'
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rand-paul-foreign-policy-is-congresss-business/ (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rand-paul-foreign-policy-is-congresss-business/)
Lurch speaking from the heart coz the brain sure don't work.
:lol:
Billy
Quote from: BILLY Defiant on February 06, 2013, 03:15:24 PM
Lurch speaking from the heart coz the brain sure don't work.
:lol:
Billy
:lol:
Is that not priceless?
Yes for sure! :thumbsup:
If the vote was today, he would have mine. He seems genuine, as long as he keeps that up, and we keep the libs, both dems and pubs, from blocking him in the caucuses.
Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2013, 03:19:06 PM
:lol:
Is that not priceless?
You have to laugh or you'd throw yourself off a bridge in despair.
Billy
Because he's not his dad, I would vote for him--even with his support for amnesty for ILLEGAL Mexicans who break our laws. We don't give that benefit to English or German invaders, but Mexicans is special people--even to the Repubs.
No.
Quote from: Solar on February 06, 2013, 02:32:27 PM
That was what was holding me back as well, until I heard him speak briefly on the subject.
He shares my opinion in a necessary presence where our interests are concerned, but places like Europe are in question where bases are concerned.
He emphasized we have a Constitutional obligation to a strong Military, but thinks we have no business in certain parts of the world.
But to alleviate the suspicion that he is for pulling our troops out of the global theater, here is what he said about Libya.
I totally agree our presence in Europe is outdated. There is no immediate threat for Russia to do anything stupid. The EU needs to step up and protect themselves. The outcry would come from western socialist EU members. The former Soviet controlled countries cherish their freedom and would probably be ready to protect themselves.
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 07, 2013, 04:56:02 AM
I totally agree our presence in Europe is outdated. There is no immediate threat for Russia to do anything stupid. The EU needs to step up and protect themselves. The outcry would come from western socialist EU members. The former Soviet controlled countries cherish their freedom and would probably be ready to protect themselves.
:thumbsup:
Yes their time has come. Let them pool their OWN mommy and protect themselves!
So far he seems to be the one. He speaks directly to the issue and more importantly, his actions match his words. There are a lot of people who are out there claiming to be fiscal conservatives and then do not vote or act that way. I think the GOP arguments about the DOD is a great example. The upcoming cuts are supposed to be catastrophic. I would believe the GOP if they said that some overhaul is necessary and based on their examination X dollars could be cut without a decline in the military's capability. There is no one with a few brain cells in their head that believes that every dollar going to the DOD is well spent.
Quote from: supsalemgr on February 07, 2013, 04:56:02 AM
I totally agree our presence in Europe is outdated. There is no immediate threat for Russia to do anything stupid. The EU needs to step up and protect themselves. The outcry would come from western socialist EU members. The former Soviet controlled countries cherish their freedom and would probably be ready to protect themselves.
Yep...
Complacence created dependence in this case, Europe has become so dependent upon us for it's protection, it in turn spent money on social programs instead of it's own Military, that made people dependent of Govt.
Had we not stayed beyond our time, maybe Europe wouldn't be in the mess it's in right now having to fight off socialist?.
Regardless, it's time to pull out and let them fin for themselves, it's not as if there is a commie super power next door, just a declawed Russia trying to look powerful.
To paraphrase Thatcher, once Europe runs out of other peoples money, socialism will collapse, what takes it place is up to Europeans.
It's too early to say yet. We do not even know what the GOP field will look like. However, at this time I would say NO. Sure, he has said some good things lately. However, he is still Ron Paul's son and that is just a little too close to the kook for me.
Quote from: Bowhntr on February 07, 2013, 06:12:47 AM
It's too early to say yet. We do not even know what the GOP field will look like. However, at this time I would say NO. Sure, he has said some good things lately. However, he is still Ron Paul's son and that is just a little too close to the kook for me.
YAWN!(https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg716%2F8776%2Fcid006001c6b5d0ccee9290.gif&hash=81cb0be10a67e895167a761286be69c63da72637)
Would those that abstain form supporting a non RINO, please give us your best choice for candidate at this point?
I'm not trying to force an agenda here, I just like Paul over all the others, that's just MHO.
I just want to know what other options are open to us.
Quote from: Bowhntr on February 07, 2013, 06:12:47 AM
It's too early to say yet. We do not even know what the GOP field will look like. However, at this time I would say NO. Sure, he has said some good things lately. However, he is still Ron Paul's son and that is just a little too close to the kook for me.
He will receive more scrutiny from GOp supporters and the MSM. If he passes muster the media scrutiny could turn out to be a benefit as it would remove a lot of possible dem amunition.
Quote from: Bowhntr on February 07, 2013, 06:12:47 AM
It's too early to say yet. We do not even know what the GOP field will look like. However, at this time I would say NO. Sure, he has said some good things lately. However, he is still Ron Paul's son and that is just a little too close to the kook for me.
He took a lot of heat from the Paulites (Ron Paulites) for endorsing Romney. He's not his father. I thought his father was great as a congressman, but his son is far more presidential. He and Rubio and Paul Ryan are the only ones I think are qualified for the job.
Quote from: Yawn on February 07, 2013, 04:28:15 PM
He took a lot of heat from the Paulites (Ron Paulites) for endorsing Romney. He's not his father. I thought his father was great as a congressman, but his son is far more presidential. He and Rubio and Paul Ryan are the only ones I think are qualified for the job.
At this time I prefer Paul over Rubio.
Neither will get the nod from the current GOP establishment though.
IMO.
yes yes yes yes :thumbup:
Quote from: rich_t on February 07, 2013, 06:46:57 PM
At this time I prefer Paul over Rubio.
Neither will get the nod from the current GOP establishment though.
IMO.
Rubio has already been embraced by the RINO, that's why he's been on the talk circuit and will deliver the SOTU response.
The bigger question is, will the base swallow it?
I think you will seriously be dissapointed with Paul very soon. As he gets more exposure and has to clarify his positions and overall political world-view you will see he is much closer to sharing most if not all of his fathers philosophy. I think he just knows how to present his ideas more smoothly. I was just reading in-between the lines of his recent statements regarding Iran and after rereading I could swear he is proposing a complete hands off policy as a response to them being nuclear. Just a thought, sorry I dont have links. Actually im suprised to see so much support for him here as it seems pretty clear to me he is more or less a RINO and you guys think everyone is a RINO
I think most of us are Libertarian LEANING Conservatives to one degree or another (Conservatarians). Rand Paul is not the same as his father, and certainly not the same brand of Libertarian as Ron Paul's supporters. While I wouldn't support Ron Paul as President, it's his wacko supporters, with their single issue, that do him more damage.
Quote from: hoosier on February 08, 2013, 07:43:34 PM
I think you will seriously be dissapointed with Paul very soon. As he gets more exposure and has to clarify his positions and overall political world-view you will see he is much closer to sharing most if not all of his fathers philosophy. I think he just knows how to present his ideas more smoothly. I was just reading in-between the lines of his recent statements regarding Iran and after rereading I could swear he is proposing a complete hands off policy as a response to them being nuclear. Just a thought, sorry I dont have links. Actually im suprised to see so much support for him here as it seems pretty clear to me he is more or less a RINO and you guys think everyone is a RINO
Please educate us on what policies make him a RINO.
Quote from: hoosier on February 08, 2013, 07:43:34 PM
I think you will seriously be dissapointed with Paul very soon. As he gets more exposure and has to clarify his positions and overall political world-view you will see he is much closer to sharing most if not all of his fathers philosophy. I think he just knows how to present his ideas more smoothly. I was just reading in-between the lines of his recent statements regarding Iran and after rereading I could swear he is proposing a complete hands off policy as a response to them being nuclear. Just a thought, sorry I dont have links. Actually im suprised to see so much support for him here as it seems pretty clear to me he is more or less a RINO and you guys think everyone is a RINO
So his father is the opposite of RINO, yet Rand aligns more closely with his father, and by this you conclude he will be a disappointment, and from that somehow you deduce he's a RINO?
You may want to eat something, have a cup of coffee and tackle that one again, it makes no logical sense whatsoever.
Quote from: Solar on February 09, 2013, 07:54:09 AM
So his father is the opposite of RINO, yet Rand aligns more closely with his father, and by this you conclude he will be a disappointment, and from that somehow you deduce he's a RINO?
You may want to eat something, have a cup of coffee and tackle that one again, it makes no logical sense whatsoever.
I hadn't seen explicitly isolationist policy regarding Iran having nukes, and would welcome your link to that topic, hoosier.
As for your comment that
Quoteyou guys think everyone is a RINO
That is not true. Solar for example is a California conservative, directly equivalent to a Michigan moderate---harshly and obviously unfairly judged by the backwater provincial, narrow mindset of all us Midwestern true conservatives. Compared to me he's a RINO. But he does make up for ....
Oh, wait. Who in hell am I replying to here again?..... :rolleyes: :wink:
Quote from: quiller on February 09, 2013, 08:04:54 AM
I hadn't seen explicitly isolationist policy regarding Iran having nukes, and would welcome your link to that topic, hoosier.
As for your comment that That is not true. Solar for example is a California conservative, directly equivalent to a Michigan moderate---harshly and obviously unfairly judged by the backwater provincial, narrow mindset of all us Midwestern true conservatives. Compared to me he's a RINO. But he does make up for ....
Oh, wait. Who in hell am I replying to here again?..... :rolleyes: :wink:
:rolleyes:
Quote from: quiller on February 09, 2013, 08:04:54 AM
I hadn't seen explicitly isolationist policy regarding Iran having nukes, and would welcome your link to that topic, hoosier.
As for your comment that That is not true. Solar for example is a California conservative, directly equivalent to a Michigan moderate---harshly and obviously unfairly judged by the backwater provincial, narrow mindset of all us Midwestern true conservatives. Compared to me he's a RINO. But he does make up for ....
Oh, wait. Who in hell am I replying to here again?..... :rolleyes: :wink:
Hell, Quill is so damned far right that when Columbus started west ( left ) he went the other way and was here waiting when Columbus landed.
YES
Quote from: Shooterman on February 09, 2013, 09:06:35 AM
Hell, Quill is so damned far right that when Columbus started west ( left ) he went the other way and was here waiting when Columbus landed.
And if those damned printers hadn't been unionized and on-strike when Chris landed, we'd've made a fortune selling them maps to the New World.