I think Paul Ryan is just trying to sabotage Trump. I think the VAT or border adjustment tax he is insisting on is just a ruse to split reps on tax cuts. He botched up health care repeal. If Ryan doesnt deliver on these 2 issues this year then we will have Speaker Pelosi and i have a feeling alot will get done though none of it will be pleasant for conservatives. Though to be fair its not as if conservative legislation is being passed now.
Quote from: ldub23 on April 29, 2017, 05:24:30 AM
I think Paul Ryan is just trying to sabotage Trump. I think the VAT or border adjustment tax he is insisting on is just a ruse to split reps on tax cuts. He botched up health care repeal. If Ryan doesnt deliver on these 2 issues this year then we will have Speaker Pelosi and i have a feeling alot will get done though none of it will be pleasant for conservatives. Though to be fair its not as if conservative legislation is being passed now.
Ryan is truly turning out to be a terrible Speaker. It does seem he is purposely working against Trump.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 29, 2017, 05:54:02 AM
Ryan is truly turning out to be a terrible Speaker. It does seem he is purposely working against Trump.
He will deliver the house to Pelosi in 2018.
Quote from: ldub23 on April 29, 2017, 06:59:33 AM
He will deliver the house to Pelosi in 2018.
Nah, even Ryan can't resuscitate the Dim party, they're done for an entire generation.
Quote from: ldub23 on April 29, 2017, 06:59:33 AM
He will deliver the house to Pelosi in 2018.
Dream away. The House is safely under Republican mismanagement. There are more seats up for grabs than you can possibly upset through GOP scandals.
Quote from: ldub23 on April 29, 2017, 05:24:30 AM
I think Paul Ryan is just trying to sabotage Trump. I think the VAT or border adjustment tax he is insisting on is just a ruse to split reps on tax cuts. He botched up health care repeal. If Ryan doesnt deliver on these 2 issues this year then we will have Speaker Pelosi and i have a feeling alot will get done though none of it will be pleasant for conservatives. Though to be fair its not as if conservative legislation is being passed now.
Just curious, why are you under the illusion that there is still a viable Dim party?
There was a time when a two party system kept things in check, this was good, but that was the 50s.
Now the left sees a chance in achieving their agenda via the GOP'e, so sadly we're still in the same boat, minus a second party to contend with.
Quote from: Solar on April 29, 2017, 08:20:45 AM
Nah, even Ryan can't resuscitate the Dim party, they're done for an entire generation.
You underestimate those (probable majority) voters who simply vote the other party in, every few years, just like they change their underwear. These Dems are the diarrhea of politics. A triple-pack of Dependz and three fistfuls of moist-wipes is definitely not going to clean the BIPARTISAN mess here.
I'd say the Senate will change in 2026 and the House finally changing about 2028 if not sooner dependent upon any current Trump scandals real or purported. The GOP will sooner disband than back Ted Cruz, so I predict they'll do the old It's-My-Turn seniority trick and offer up some Paleolithic pile of crap they EXPECT to lose after one hugely-disastrous Trump term (or so they've self-convinced).
Won't they be surprised by the end of Term 1. By then Ginsburg and Stevens will probably be gone, replaced by RINOs like Roberts but still better than Earl Warren. North Korea will be a glowing glass hole, Nikki Haley will finally tell Rex Tillerson EXACTLY where to stick his directives on clearing things with him first...and all will be well in the world.
As to topic: one TOLERATES Pelosi. One cannot WORK with Pelosi. One cannot screw one's head into that twisted and empty a space.
Quote from: quiller on April 29, 2017, 10:19:22 AM
You underestimate those (probable majority) voters who simply vote the other party in, every few years, just like they change their underwear. These Dems are the diarrhea of politics. A triple-pack of Dependz and three fistfuls of moist-wipes is definitely not going to clean the BIPARTISAN mess here.
I'd say the Senate will change in 2026 and the House finally changing about 2028 if not sooner dependent upon any current Trump scandals real or purported. The GOP will sooner disband than back Ted Cruz, so I predict they'll do the old It's-My-Turn seniority trick and offer up some Paleolithic pile of crap they EXPECT to lose after one hugely-disastrous Trump term (or so they've self-convinced).
Won't they be surprised by the end of Term 1. By then Ginsburg and Stevens will probably be gone, replaced by RINOs like Roberts but still better than Earl Warren. North Korea will be a glowing glass hole, Nikki Haley will finally tell Rex Tillerson EXACTLY where to stick his directives on clearing things with him first...and all will be well in the world.
As to topic: one TOLERATES Pelosi. One cannot WORK with Pelosi. One cannot screw one's head into that twisted and empty a space.
Nope. The Dims not only lost 30% of their base, they drove them away permanently.
The Dim party has one option if they want to resuscitate the party, and that's, lose the divisive nature of the party, concentrate on expanding Liberties, but that would mean admitting their Marxist push was a mistake, so it'll probably never happen.
So what do they do instead? Try and out Marxist one another, yeah, they're pushing each other further left.
No, that party has to completely disintegrate first and be rebuilt from its ashes, because there is no appeal for Marxism.
Quote from: Solar on April 29, 2017, 10:37:16 AM
Nope. The Dims not only lost 30% of their base, they drove them away permanently.
The Dim party has one option if they want to resuscitate the party, and that's, lose the divisive nature of the party, concentrate on expanding Liberties, but that would mean admitting their Marxist push was a mistake, so it'll probably never happen.
So what do they do instead? Try and out Marxist one another, yeah, they're pushing each other further left.
No, that party has to completely disintegrate first and be rebuilt from its ashes, because there is no appeal for Marxism.
Your point is well made that in spite of themselves the dems are in full self-destruct mode and will save the GOP.. Pelosi killed off the Blue Dogs and the likes of Waters, Jackson Lee and numerous other mind numbed lib dems in house are completing the suicide.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 29, 2017, 11:04:55 AM
Your point is well made that in spite of themselves the dems are in full self-destruct mode and will save the GOP.. Pelosi killed off the Blue Dogs and the likes of Waters, Jackson Lee and numerous other mind numbed lib dems in house are completing the suicide.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It really is a tragic comedy when you list the actors, with old favorites like "Theyse waaaay tooo much Consuuuumin goin onn, or "Guam will capsize", or "We need to nationalize oil".
Nah, I don't see any chance of a resurgence considering the brain trust they have to work with. :biggrin:
Quote from: Solar on April 29, 2017, 11:43:11 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It really is a tragic comedy when you list the actors, with old favorites like "Theyse waaaay tooo much Consuuuumin goin onn, or "Guam will capsize", or "We need to nationalize oil".
Nah, I don't see any chance of a resurgence considering the brain trust they have to work with. :biggrin:
Just as an aside, think about the 2010 census. If the GOP can hold onto all the statehouses and governorships they have picked up since Obama the redistricting will not be happy days for democrats.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 29, 2017, 12:46:45 PM
Just as an aside, think about the 2010 census. If the GOP can hold onto all the statehouses and governorships they have picked up since Obama the redistricting will not be happy days for democrats.
You can bet there is a shitload of deal making going on, as to who retains power.
Remember what the
GOP'e gop'E did to West, but he is a Conservative, so he had to go, but there's a lot of Dims willing to do what it takes to retain power and doing as the Establishment wants, aligns with their views anyway.
Ya know, it's kind of sweet, like when Reagan defeated the USSR, only to have the Commies invade the West like cancer.
The GOP defeated the Dims, only to find out our party is infected with a bunch of leftists.
Quote from: Solar on April 29, 2017, 10:13:14 AM
Just curious, why are you under the illusion that there is still a viable Dim party?
There was a time when a two party system kept things in check, this was good, but that was the 50s.
Now the left sees a chance in achieving their agenda via the GOP'e, so sadly we're still in the same boat, minus a second party to contend with.
Illusion? Didnt reps just blink once again on a gvt shutdown? Though i suppose they would cower in fear if there were only 3 democrats in congress they threatened a shutdown. Lets also not forget the rep party was decimated in 2006 and 08 but had a huge victory in 2010. I dont think its hard to imagine dems winning 35-40 house seats in 2018 when there will be no reason for a rep to bother to vote unless the pig Ryan gets off his ass and does something.
Quote from: ldub23 on April 29, 2017, 04:17:50 PM
Illusion? Didnt reps just blink once again on a gvt shutdown? Though i suppose they would cower in fear if there were only 3 democrats in congress they threatened a shutdown. Lets also not forget the rep party was decimated in 2006 and 08 but had a huge victory in 2010. I dont think its hard to imagine dems winning 35-40 house seats in 2018 when there will be no reason for a rep to bother to vote unless the pig Ryan gets off his ass and does something.
Don't know, to gain seats in congress the dims HAVE TO SHOW SOMETHING. It aint there, this really puts it into perspective: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447197/trumps-first-100-days-democrats-have-little-despite-bluster
Put that in with the fact that dems tend to have less support for mid terms and I don't see them taking over the house. As for the senate, they have to defend 20+ seats just to stay a minority.
Quote from: supsalemgr on April 29, 2017, 05:54:02 AM
Ryan is truly turning out to be a terrible Speaker. It does seem he is purposely working against Trump.
Fixed it. He needs to go like yesterday.
Quote from: ldub23 on April 29, 2017, 04:17:50 PM
Illusion? Didnt reps just blink once again on a gvt shutdown? Though i suppose they would cower in fear if there were only 3 democrats in congress they threatened a shutdown. Lets also not forget the rep party was decimated in 2006 and 08 but had a huge victory in 2010. I dont think its hard to imagine dems winning 35-40 house seats in 2018 when there will be no reason for a rep to bother to vote unless the pig Ryan gets off his ass and does something.
First off, that so called fear, is all theater, they pretend to be scared so they have an excuse to spend our tax dollars.
Yeah, they actually think we don't notice that they're nothing but Dims with an (R) next to their name.
As to your stats, there is a lot you don't understand about the details.
We TEA, gave the GOP new members in 2010, 2014, in fact, what you claim to be nothing more than a cycle of flipping power, was actually unprecedented. We not only gave the GOP new members and more power, we kneecapped the Dim party and stole more than 1000 Legislative seats across the country, completely draining their well of new membership.
No, that wasn't a simple changing of the guard, this was a historical gutting of one party. The Dim party is dead for an entire generation.
Why do we need a Dim party, when the GOP'e is already further left than was the 60s Dim party?
Well, Ryan is a limp wristed moderate in a big girls blouse. He's an appallingly impotent majority leader and needs to be replaced. With that said he's still better than Nancy Pelosi. She's a nasty vindictive far left ideologue who might have onset dementia.
Quote from: Solar on April 29, 2017, 08:20:45 AM
Nah, even Ryan can't resuscitate the Dim party, they're done for an entire generation.
The last time the Republicans had a larger lead in the House was in the 1920s.
And look what happened in the 1930s.
We should
NEVER be complacent!
Currently, Ohio's delegation is 12 Rs and 4 Dims,
but Kasich (he's still Governor, darn it!)
is trying to change the way Ohio's districts are drawn
to give the Dims a better shot.
So don't think we'll automatically keep the House.
RINOs serve the ruling clique, the puppet masters,
not their party or their voters.
The two parties are like two horses owned by the same owner.
It makes little difference which one wins.
But when a maverick like Trump wins,
both the Dims and the RINOs team up to try to stop him,
just like Ryan and Pelosi are doing.
Today's Dim leaders ARE true dim bulbs.
But an entire generation of voters
is now being trained by the government schools
to be even more stupid than Fauxcahontas and Dinosaur Bernie!
If we become complacent, they win!
Quote from: je_freedom on April 29, 2017, 08:19:52 PM
The last time the Republicans had a larger lead in the House was in the 1920s.
And look what happened in the 1930s.
We should NEVER be complacent!
Currently, Ohio's delegation is 12 Rs and 4 Dims,
but Kasich (he's still Governor, darn it!)
is trying to change the way Ohio's districts are drawn
to give the Dims a better shot.
So don't think we'll automatically keep the House.
RINOs serve the ruling clique, the puppet masters,
not their party or their voters.
The two parties are like two horses owned by the same owner.
It makes little difference which one wins.
But when a maverick like Trump wins,
both the Dims and the RINOs team up to try to stop him,
just like Ryan and Pelosi are doing.
Today's Dim leaders ARE true dim bulbs.
But an entire generation of voters
is now being trained by the government schools
to be even more stupid than Fauxcahontas and Dinosaur Bernie!
If we become complacent, they win!
Why is it people can't seem to understand the simple fact that the Dim party is not returning to power for an entire generation?
But as I said, it matters not, because if we can't purge the leftists from the GOP, its over!
Quote from: Solar on April 29, 2017, 09:06:19 PM
Why is it people can't seem to understand the simple fact that the Dim party is not returning to power for an entire generation?
But as I said, it matters not, because if we can't purge the leftists from the GOP, its over!
I guess we will find out next Nov. If Ryan cant work with Trump on taxes and healthcare then 35-40 house seats lost might be conservative. Its baffling how reps simply cant pass conservative legislation.
Quote from: ldub23 on April 30, 2017, 04:35:59 AM
I guess we will find out next Nov. If Ryan cant work with Trump on taxes and healthcare then 35-40 house seats lost might be conservative. Its baffling how reps simply cant pass conservative legislation.
I guess thats one way of looking at it. I saw the rino Ryan doing everything he could to get that healthcare bill passed, Imho, conservatives did Trump a favor by NOT passing a bad bill. Don't assume Trump had coattails which helped the republicans gain control of congress, he didn't, and it does not look as if he will be able to help anyone this next election either, I dont even think he can help out Ryan and he's been kissing butt from day one. I have a bigger worry that Trump will do for the republicans what obama did for the democrats. For this reason I see the need to back the tea movement and not necessarily Trump.
Quote from: ldub23 on April 30, 2017, 04:35:59 AM
I guess we will find out next Nov. If Ryan cant work with Trump on taxes and healthcare then 35-40 house seats lost might be conservative. Its baffling how reps simply cant pass conservative legislation.
Ryan and Trump, both want socialized HC, the only reason they don't have a Bill is because of Conservatives and the GOP constituency.
In spite of what you hear, the country doesn't want govt involved.
If Trump gets his HC Bill, you can bet the only people leaving Congress will be Establishment leftist hacks.
RINO are not the beneficiaries of the GOP winning, no, it was TEA, Conservatives sweeping the nation to clean out govt and we're by no means finished kicking these scum out of office.