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Title: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 28, 2012, 02:29:50 PM
I do not think so....one would think that some of their high priced political consultants with a few of their math wizards would be able to correctly analyze the election results and thus it seems on the surface like a no brainer.

But.................to those who know why it is obvious the big boys have not figured it out or if they have....they do not want to admit it.


Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 28, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
How about you tell us why they lost.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: The Stranger on December 28, 2012, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 28, 2012, 02:29:50 PM
I do not think so....one would think that some of their high priced political consultants with a few of their math wizards would be able to correctly analyze the election results and thus it seems on the surface like a no brainer.

But.................to those who know why it is obvious the big boys have not figured it out or if they have....they do not want to admit it.

I think it's pretty simple.... Does the 47% come to mind.
As long as the liberals keep expecting their handouts the libs will win. It's a no brainer.
Do you think the cons should jump on board and agree that we all should be under the Governments thumb. Oblamer only won by 3% or so, not bad since they started out with 47%.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: walkstall on December 28, 2012, 03:33:58 PM
Quote from: taxed on December 28, 2012, 03:09:28 PM
How about you tell us why they lost.

I saw a bumper sticker on a truck today that said.  " Work harder millions on welfare depend on you."   Between Welfare, Unions and Government jobs.  Our horse did not have a chance once out of the gate. 
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 28, 2012, 03:46:00 PM
Quote from: walkstall on December 28, 2012, 03:33:58 PM
I saw a bumper sticker on a truck today that said.  " Work harder millions on welfare depend on you."   Between Welfare, Unions and Government jobs.  Our horse did not have a chance once out of the gate.

Exactly.  Somehow the parasites figured out how to hold a gun to the host...
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 28, 2012, 04:04:29 PM
The republicans in congress didn't lose. They won in 2010, and again in 2012.
If they fail to remember what the hell they are doing there, they can wonder why they lose in 2014.........................to a third party candidate. :mad:
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 28, 2012, 04:59:41 PM
They lost the Presidency because of Democrat fraud and "candy" from Obeyme to buy the dumb vote.  Short answer, they motivated the stupid yet one more time.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: BILLY Defiant on December 28, 2012, 07:46:30 PM
Speaking of not being able to do math, I suppose the 50% who voted for the Marxist can't do math worth a damn if they think raising taxes will do anything other than run the Govt(that includes printing their monthly food stamps and welfare chekcs) for less than a month.

However considering the shape of our union oriented public schools it should come as no surprise that among the average "graduate" arithmetic isn't their strong suit.


Billy
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Darth Fife on December 28, 2012, 08:05:18 PM
As long as you keep robbing Peter to pay Paul, you can always be sure that Paul will be your friend!

Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 05:09:24 AM
Have you noticed how much gloating the Libs and even the Libertarians have been doing over the Obeyme "win"?  How quickly they forget the HUGE losses they suffered since 1980. 2 more years of Obama and Reid can change things overnight. America won't accept this as the Bush economy forever.  At some point Obeyme has to man-up and take responsibility for nearly a decade of recession/depression.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: The Stranger on December 29, 2012, 05:32:03 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 05:09:24 AM
Have you noticed how much gloating the Libs and even the Libertarians have been doing over the Obeyme "win"?  How quickly they forget the HUGE losses they suffered since 1980. 2 more years of Obama and Reid can change things overnight. America won't accept this as the Bush economy forever.  At some point Obeyme has to man-up and take responsibility for nearly a decade of recession/depression.
Your wrong here they will Blame forever and Oblamer will be the cheerleader. As long as the liberal media doesn't come under any fire it's Blame Blame Blame you have to understand libs have never taken RESPONSIBILITY for a thing.
I am not proud of this but I have relatives in Ohio who still BLAME Reagan/Republicans for the Union loses in the meat factories in the seventies and eighties, a few still haven't found full time real work 30 years later and still SWEAR the lib Unions are going to get them their jobs back, yes 30 years and they are still waiting. As long as they get government assistance like food stamps, section 8 housing and aid for their kids they are in for there life and maybe their kids lives also. Liberalism is an Illness.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: supsalemgr on December 29, 2012, 05:52:39 AM
Stranger's relatives are a prime example of the entitlement mentaility that has evolved in our country. The unions are flexing their muscles right now, but even with the help of the current administarion and the NLRB union membership continues to fall. I think we will begin to see local governments go bankrupt over the next four years due primarily to unsustainable union pension payments. We should hope the GOP stays in the majority in the House and they refuse to vote for bailouts for these local governments. Then and, only then, will reality hit and changes will have to be made.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: mdgiles on December 29, 2012, 07:09:39 AM
The Republicans lost because the Dimocraps cheated. Next question. Wait, you assumed we didn't notice when the Dims fought tooth and nail to keep the states from "truing" the vote?
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 07:20:55 AM
I thought I heard yesterday that Florida finally went for Romney. Anyone else hear that?
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 07:39:52 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 07:20:55 AM
I thought I heard yesterday that Florida finally went for Romney. Anyone else hear that?

I didn't hear that one, but after giles' post I googled, "democrats facing charges for voter fraud", and it looks like it was rampant. There's no telling if there was enough of it to affect the electoral votes.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Indy on December 29, 2012, 08:28:42 AM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 28, 2012, 02:29:50 PM
I do not think so....one would think that some of their high priced political consultants with a few of their math wizards would be able to correctly analyze the election results and thus it seems on the surface like a no brainer.

But.................to those who know why it is obvious the big boys have not figured it out or if they have....they do not want to admit it.
Simple answer. Voter fraud and a complicit MSM.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 08:46:36 AM
No....Florida went for Obama unfortunately.

I am enjoying reading the different responses to why the Republicans lost the Presidential race. 

I will give my opinion on that after some more results come in...I am hoping to see one pop up that will agree with me....I do not want to be the Lone Ranger on here.  heh heh

Well...I am a new poster and so far this seems like a good board...I am used to posting on liberal boards and having to deal with a bunch of communists and moderators who only enforce the rules against conservatives. 

BTW will i have to solve the puzzle everytime I post on here.......my eyes arnt what they used to be and I have a problem reading those letters....
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 08:52:31 AM
I will just throw out this tidbit for now....it might help some in their analysis of the Presidential election............the mexican vote did not win it for Obama.........that is a current big liberal myth...I have the stats to disprove that.

Regretably I fear the Republicans are going to get more politically correct based on some faulty assumptions many have in regards to why Obama won.

The republicans as of yet are being misled by the mass media in regards to the election........why would anyone listen to the enemys interpetation and suggestions on what the Republicans need to do to win next time?  Apparantly many otherwise intelligent Republicans are going along with the media on this....the same ones I suppose that let the media select Romney as  a candidate.  I said from the very beginning that those debates with all the candidates at the same time would only allow the media to destroy the candidates one by one and the last one standing would be the medias choice....and yes Romney was selected by the media.  Suprise....Suprise
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 09:17:30 AM
Pubs lost because they continually capitulate to the left, they ignored and insulted the Tea party, thinking they could draw moderates under what they claim to be the big tent, when in reality, the base, or rather majority in this country wants a Conservative leader.
In a nutshell, the base sat home in droves.

The mid term election of 2010 is proof the base wants the RINO out!
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 09:20:12 AM
And the questionaire should only show once.
Try not deleting our cookie, or try another browser, like Fire fox.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Patriot on December 29, 2012, 09:43:05 AM
I think there are several reasons for the loss including the influence of the media and the number of those dependent on govt programs.  The media not only reinforced a major Democratic theme, that they were for the middle class and the GOP was for the wealthy, but willingly supported lies and inaccurate statements about Romney.  I think another factor is what I outlined in the following thread.  I don't think its message is all that popular here.   Given that it was my first thread on this board and I wasn't banned, I think speaks to the openness of this board for debate as well as discussion.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/future-of-the-gop-and-its-advocacy-of-social-values/msg103503/#msg103503 (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/future-of-the-gop-and-its-advocacy-of-social-values/msg103503/#msg103503)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: walkstall on December 29, 2012, 10:09:34 AM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 29, 2012, 09:43:05 AM
I think there are several reasons for the loss including the influence of the media and the number of those dependent on govt programs.  The media not only reinforced a major Democratic theme, that they were for the middle class and the GOP was for the wealthy, but willingly supported lies and inaccurate statements about Romney.  I think another factor is what I outlined in the following thread.  I don't think its message is all that popular here.   Given that it was my first thread on this board and I wasn't banned, I think speaks to the openness of this board for debate as well as discussion.

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/future-of-the-gop-and-its-advocacy-of-social-values/msg103503/#msg103503 (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/future-of-the-gop-and-its-advocacy-of-social-values/msg103503/#msg103503)


As I said when you ask, as long as your not a troll and willing  to discussion as well as debate with facts and data.  You would be safe on this board. 
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: supsalemgr on December 29, 2012, 10:42:58 AM
Let's not forget the GOP vote was less than in 2008. This surprised me knowing how so many of us really wanted to defeat Obama. The dems did a better job of getting the vote out. I am not saying this is the resoan, but I would not be surprised if some folks just couldn't get over that Romney is a Mormon.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 10:47:16 AM
The Main Reason Obama Won.............The White Working Class did not vote overwhelmingly for Romney....though he got most of their votes he did not get the huge majority of them he needed..........way too many of them voted for Obama because the Republicans as usual had nothing to offer the White Working Class but a little lip service.

Now the above sounds very simple and it is....so simple in fact the majority of White Folk just do not get it..........they will write it off as being racist..........irregardless of that...it does not matter.....what does matter is the ramifications of white folk letting the minorities and the media decide the course of this nation.

If the White Working Class does not step up to the plate and damn soon and take control of this country they can fawgetttttt about every thing they think America is, should be and is capable of being...because folks this country will go down the toilet if you let the minorities control its destiny.

The elections statistics prove the White Working Class was the key to the election....if the White Working Class had voted en masse Republican like the minorities did for the democrats we would have had a Repubilican Victory and a President who would not have been a lame duck like obama.........say what you will about Romney and I did not particuarly like him..........but there is no doubt he would have had a much better capability to get this country moving...now instead we are stuck with no leadership in the White House and we drift from disaster to disaster...............thats what happens folks when you let the fools run the country.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 10:52:52 AM

By ALLISON KOPICKI and WILL IRVING


In the wake of the 2012 presidential election, there has been extensive discussion about the Republican Party's failure to appeal to Hispanic voters, whether this failure was responsible — at least in part — for Mitt Romney's defeat, and whether a change in immigration policy would be sufficient to shift the Latino vote rightward in the next election.

It is difficult and rather foolhardy to try to forecast the political circumstances of the 2016 presidential election. However, it is possible to assess just how pivotal the Hispanic vote was to President Obama's Electoral College success this year and what that might mean for future elections.

Looking at actual vote counts and the exit poll results from the recent election can provide insight into answering two important questions: First, was Mr. Obama's electoral victory dependent on high Hispanic turnout and support from a large percentage of the Hispanic vote? And second, if the Hispanic vote did prove decisive in the outcome, how easy would it be for a Republican candidate to gain a significantly greater share than Mr. Romney in future elections, assuming the Republicans agree to some type of comprehensive immigration reform?

Exit polls conducted by Edison Research provided an estimate of the percentage of total votes that were cast by Hispanics in the nine so-called swing states – Colorado, Florida, Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia. In order to determine if the Hispanic vote was a pivotal factor in Mr. Obama's victory, we applied these estimates to the combined total votes cast for all candidates to calculate the total number of Hispanic voters in each of these states.

Exit polls also provided estimates of the percentages of the Hispanic vote that went to Mr. Obama and to Mr. Romney in key swing states. In states where polling data on the two candidates' shares of the Hispanic vote were not available, we allocated the national Hispanic support level of 71 percent to Mr. Obama, and the remaining 29 percent to Mr. Romney.

By then removing the number of Hispanic votes from each candidate's vote total and reallocating them back to the two candidates in order to equalize their total votes, one can determine what percentage of the Hispanic vote Mr. Obama needed to carry each of the key states. For example, in Wisconsin, 3,056,613 votes were cast, of which 4 percent, or 122,264 votes, were cast by Hispanics according to exit polls. Mr. Obama's margin of victory in Wisconsin was over 200,000 votes — even if all Hispanics had voted for Mr. Romney instead of voting for Mr. Obama by more than two to one, he would have won the state.

Not unexpectedly, the Hispanic vote was also not decisive in Iowa or New Hampshire where Mr. Obama could have carried the states even if he had won none of the Hispanic vote whatsoever.

In Ohio, where the president received an estimated 54 percent of the Hispanic vote, according to exit poll data, we find he could have won the state with as little as 22 percent of the Hispanic vote, and in Virginia, where he received 64 percent of the Hispanic vote, we find that he could have carried the state with just over 33 percent.

It is also worth noting that in states that were not considered battleground territory, Mr. Obama could still have won without a majority of the Hispanic vote. In California, Mr. Obama took the state's 55 electoral votes with 72 percent of the Hispanic vote, but could have won with as little as 25 percent. And in Pennsylvania (20 electoral votes), where Mr. Obama received an estimated 80 percent of the Hispanic vote, he could have still carried the state with just over 37 percent.

With these five swing states, along with the safe Democratic states that Mr. Obama should have carried regardless of the Hispanic vote, the president would have reached 283 electoral votes, winning the Electoral College without needing to win a majority of the Hispanic vote in each state.

In the remaining swing states – Nevada, Florida and Colorado – along with New Mexico, Mr. Obama did require a majority of the Hispanic votes cast in order to carry those states, although the shares he achieved still exceeded the threshold minimums he needed. In Colorado, where Mr. Obama received an estimated 75 percent of the Hispanic vote, we estimate that he could have won with just over 58 percent, and in Nevada, where he won 71 percent of the Hispanic vote, he could have carried the state with just under 54 percent. In the key battleground of Florida (29 electoral votes), Mr. Obama's 60 percent share of the Hispanic vote was just above the 58 percent share required for victory in that state.

In New Mexico, Florida, Nevada and Colorado, slightly higher shares (but still less than a majority) of the Hispanic vote could have swung them to Mr. Romney, and this may well put these states in play in the next election if the Republican candidate and platform have broader appeal among Hispanic voters.

Which brings us to our second question: Would a revamping of the Republicans' immigration policy be sufficient to cause Hispanics to shift to the Republican Party?

The exit poll results suggest that the Republicans' assertion that Hispanics are socially conservative is not necessarily true.

Two-thirds of Hispanic voters said that abortion should be legal in most or all cases, compared with slightly more than half of white voters, according to exit poll results. Hispanics were also more liberal when it came to same-sex marriage, with 59 percent saying it should be legal in their state, compared with 51 percent of blacks and 47 percent of white voters.

Exit poll results also indicate that Hispanics are not necessarily racing to adopt the Republican platform of smaller government. Nearly 6 in 10 Hispanics said Mr. Obama's health care law should be expanded or left as is, compared to about a third of white voters. And 57 percent of Hispanics said that government should be doing more to solve the problems of individuals, compared to 36 percent of whites. Hispanics, like the rest of the electorate, were also in favor of raising income taxes in order to reduce the federal deficit.

So for any Republicans crafting a strategy that focuses solely on Hispanic voters and immigration policy in order to win back the White House in 2016, they may want to re-examine this year's exit poll results.
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November 20, 2012, 4:16 pm 41 Comments

Assessing How Pivotal the Hispanic Vote Was to Obama's Victory

By ALLISON KOPICKI and WILL IRVING


In the wake of the 2012 presidential election, there has been extensive discussion about the Republican Party's failure to appeal to Hispanic voters, whether this failure was responsible — at least in part — for Mitt Romney's defeat, and whether a change in immigration policy would be sufficient to shift the Latino vote rightward in the next election.

It is difficult and rather foolhardy to try to forecast the political circumstances of the 2016 presidential election. However, it is possible to assess just how pivotal the Hispanic vote was to President Obama's Electoral College success this year and what that might mean for future elections.

Looking at actual vote counts and the exit poll results from the recent election can provide insight into answering two important questions: First, was Mr. Obama's electoral victory dependent on high Hispanic turnout and support from a large percentage of the Hispanic vote? And second, if the Hispanic vote did prove decisive in the outcome, how easy would it be for a Republican candidate to gain a significantly greater share than Mr. Romney in future elections, assuming the Republicans agree to some type of comprehensive immigration reform?

Exit polls conducted by Edison Research provided an estimate of the percentage of total votes that were cast by Hispanics in the nine so-called swing states – Colorado, Florida, Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia. In order to determine if the Hispanic vote was a pivotal factor in Mr. Obama's victory, we applied these estimates to the combined total votes cast for all candidates to calculate the total number of Hispanic voters in each of these states.

Exit polls also provided estimates of the percentages of the Hispanic vote that went to Mr. Obama and to Mr. Romney in key swing states. In states where polling data on the two candidates' shares of the Hispanic vote were not available, we allocated the national Hispanic support level of 71 percent to Mr. Obama, and the remaining 29 percent to Mr. Romney.

By then removing the number of Hispanic votes from each candidate's vote total and reallocating them back to the two candidates in order to equalize their total votes, one can determine what percentage of the Hispanic vote Mr. Obama needed to carry each of the key states. For example, in Wisconsin, 3,056,613 votes were cast, of which 4 percent, or 122,264 votes, were cast by Hispanics according to exit polls. Mr. Obama's margin of victory in Wisconsin was over 200,000 votes — even if all Hispanics had voted for Mr. Romney instead of voting for Mr. Obama by more than two to one, he would have won the state.

Not unexpectedly, the Hispanic vote was also not decisive in Iowa or New Hampshire where Mr. Obama could have carried the states even if he had won none of the Hispanic vote whatsoever.

In Ohio, where the president received an estimated 54 percent of the Hispanic vote, according to exit poll data, we find he could have won the state with as little as 22 percent of the Hispanic vote, and in Virginia, where he received 64 percent of the Hispanic vote, we find that he could have carried the state with just over 33 percent.

It is also worth noting that in states that were not considered battleground territory, Mr. Obama could still have won without a majority of the Hispanic vote. In California, Mr. Obama took the state's 55 electoral votes with 72 percent of the Hispanic vote, but could have won with as little as 25 percent. And in Pennsylvania (20 electoral votes), where Mr. Obama received an estimated 80 percent of the Hispanic vote, he could have still carried the state with just over 37 percent.

With these five swing states, along with the safe Democratic states that Mr. Obama should have carried regardless of the Hispanic vote, the president would have reached 283 electoral votes, winning the Electoral College without needing to win a majority of the Hispanic vote in each state.

In the remaining swing states – Nevada, Florida and Colorado – along with New Mexico, Mr. Obama did require a majority of the Hispanic votes cast in order to carry those states, although the shares he achieved still exceeded the threshold minimums he needed. In Colorado, where Mr. Obama received an estimated 75 percent of the Hispanic vote, we estimate that he could have won with just over 58 percent, and in Nevada, where he won 71 percent of the Hispanic vote, he could have carried the state with just under 54 percent. In the key battleground of Florida (29 electoral votes), Mr. Obama's 60 percent share of the Hispanic vote was just above the 58 percent share required for victory in that state.

In New Mexico, Florida, Nevada and Colorado, slightly higher shares (but still less than a majority) of the Hispanic vote could have swung them to Mr. Romney, and this may well put these states in play in the next election if the Republican candidate and platform have broader appeal among Hispanic voters.

Which brings us to our second question: Would a revamping of the Republicans' immigration policy be sufficient to cause Hispanics to shift to the Republican Party?

The exit poll results suggest that the Republicans' assertion that Hispanics are socially conservative is not necessarily true.

Two-thirds of Hispanic voters said that abortion should be legal in most or all cases, compared with slightly more than half of white voters, according to exit poll results. Hispanics were also more liberal when it came to same-sex marriage, with 59 percent saying it should be legal in their state, compared with 51 percent of blacks and 47 percent of white voters.

Exit poll results also indicate that Hispanics are not necessarily racing to adopt the Republican platform of smaller government. Nearly 6 in 10 Hispanics said Mr. Obama's health care law should be expanded or left as is, compared to about a third of white voters. And 57 percent of Hispanics said that government should be doing more to solve the problems of individuals, compared to 36 percent of whites. Hispanics, like the rest of the electorate, were also in favor of raising income taxes in order to reduce the federal deficit.

So for any Republicans crafting a strategy that focuses solely on Hispanic voters and immigration policy in order to win back the White House in 2016, they may want to re-examine this year's exit poll results.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: supsalemgr on December 29, 2012, 10:55:39 AM
I couldn't agree with you more. Instead of limiting it to "White Working Class" it should apply to just the "working class". If one takes a look at the full range of Obama's programs and intentions it does not take a genius to figure the working class is going to take a hit. They don't understand the ramifications of all the regulations and their impact on the working class. WHEN, not IF, the inflation hits from all this printed money the working class is the one group that will feel it the most.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 10:57:10 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 29, 2012, 10:42:58 AM
Let's not forget the GOP vote was less than in 2008. This surprised me knowing how so many of us really wanted to defeat Obama. The dems did a better job of getting the vote out. I am not saying this is the resoan, but I would not be surprised if some folks just couldn't get over that Romney is a Mormon.
That's my point, the base stayed home. I've read where a large amount of people have had it, period.
They will not be voting for another RINO, ever.
Mormon may have played a small part, but I can't imagine it really made that big of a difference.

It's sad, and I did vote against the Marxist, while holding my nose voting for a RINO.
But apparently there were far more willing to compromise for a third time.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 11:31:29 AM
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 29, 2012, 10:55:39 AM
I couldn't agree with you more. Instead of limiting it to "White Working Class" it should apply to just the "working class". If one takes a look at the full range of Obama's programs and intentions it does not take a genius to figure the working class is going to take a hit. They don't understand the ramifications of all the regulations and their impact on the working class. WHEN, not IF, the inflation hits from all this printed money the working class is the one group that will feel it the most.

The 'minorities'  working class are well satisfied with the democrats.....but you are correct the 'working class' as a whole will suffer under obama.

Yet there is no hope of attracting the 'minority' voters...they vote enmasse democratic and will continue to do so.

The White Working Class is the key to regaining the White House....if the republican party can be persuaded of that fact....they may not....they may be unreachable and I would predict they will continue to only give lip service to the White Working Class and in fact will probably get even more politically correct than they already are aka the john mcains and those of his ilk.

Thus it is my conclusion that the White Working Class needs to form its own party...they should be focused on finding a leader....one preferably not too old and with some charisma and ability to appeal to the White Working Class who essentially are without representation in Washington.

The democrats have sold out to the minorities completely and the republicans favor the rich and are way tooooo politically correct.

But one cannot really blame the White Working class fleeing the democratic party after they sold out to the minorities and becoming Reagan democrats.  The truth is though the White Working Class does not belong in the Republican Party...unless they can totally transform it into a party that is truly their advocate.

The White Working Class(and I include in that group those White Folk who are unemployed) have the numbers needed to win the white house if they organize and vote enmasse for their candidate like the minorities do for their candidate.

Thus they are the key to any party that wants to win the White House.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 11:31:29 AM
The 'minorities'  working class are well satisfied with the democrats.....but you are correct the 'working class' as a whole will suffer under obama.

Yet there is no hope of attracting the 'minority' voters...they vote enmasse democratic and will continue to do so.

The White Working Class is the key to regaining the White House....if the republican party can be persuaded of that fact....they may not....they may be unreachable and I would predict they will continue to only give lip service to the White Working Class and in fact will probably get even more politically correct than they already are aka the john mcains and those of his ilk.

Thus it is my conclusion that the White Working Class needs to form its own party...they should be focused on finding a leader....one preferably not too old and with some charisma and ability to appeal to the White Working Class who essentially are without representation in Washington.

The democrats have sold out to the minorities completely and the republicans favor the rich and are way tooooo politically correct.

But one cannot really blame the White Working class fleeing the democratic party after they sold out to the minorities and becoming Reagan democrats.  The truth is though the White Working Class does not belong in the Republican Party...unless they can totally transform it into a party that is truly their advocate.

The White Working Class(and I include in that group those White Folk who are unemployed) have the numbers needed to win the white house if they organize and vote enmasse for their candidate like the minorities do for their candidate.

Thus they are the key to any party that wants to win the White House.
I'm beginning to sense a tad bit of racist theme here.
Just More 'Teen' Crime...at least according to the Media

You are welcome to post, but be aware, racism will not be tolerated.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 11:52:53 AM
Do you consider it racist to report minority crimes?
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 11:55:18 AM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 11:52:53 AM
Do you consider it racist to report minority crimes?
I consider it a bit racist when a poster with two threads going, has racial undertones as a theme.

Just a warning.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 12:16:26 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 29, 2012, 11:55:18 AM
I consider it a bit racist when a poster with two threads going, has racial undertones as a theme.

Just a warning.

Well...I reallyl do not want to get into an argument over this...I feel compelled to point out however that we cannot ignore the reality of the current political situation....which of course includes the component you are concerned about.

Now regarding the post about so called 'teen crimes'---it is a well know fact the media suppresses the truth about such matters and the wave of these incidents nation wide.

I can refrain from reporting such incidents if that is breaking the rules on here....but I would suggest that ignoring such things or sticking our heads in the sand and pretending these problems do not exist will not help matters...and in fact will only encourage this phenomenon to grow.

Look at how the politicians ignored the inner city violence and how as a result it has mushroomed into a huge, huge problem which no politician will dare address because of such 'sensitivities' as you mention.

I also understand the reality of the 'conditions' under which some message boards are forced to operate...though some are more open to free speech than others....i suppose it just depends on who owns the board and their particular orientation---I have not seen any rules posted on here but I am knew and perhaps I need to search for that.

Thanks for voicing your concerns and I will attempt to work within any 'constraints' on here regarding such matters.....if I feel I cannot I will simply fade away.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 12:22:04 PM
There is a HUGE double standard when it comes to reporting crimes by certain minorities--especially when whites are the victims.  They have a completely different set of rules when a white is accused of a crime against a black, and the majority of those later turn out to be false claims.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 29, 2012, 12:23:23 PM
So it's a big secret until we are fortunate enough that Jack here will grace is with his wisdom. :rolleyes:

We lost for several reasons. Minorities is just one piece to the puzzle and because we see everyone equal it will be an issue for a long time.

Romney is a good guy and would be a good President but he isn't really that Conservative and so the base was not enthused.

We have become a dependent country and that is by design. So it is natural for people to shy away from this that want to take away or restrict their freebies.

Obama had the media on his side.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 12:30:28 PM
Rush, HALF joking, said what did Romney in was when he focused on PUTTING EVERY AMERICAN TO WORK.  Sadly, there is a large segment of our population that runs in fear of the idea of WORK.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 12:36:01 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 29, 2012, 12:23:23 PM
So it's a big secret until we are fortunate enough that Jack here will grace is with his wisdom. :rolleyes:

We lost for several reasons. Minorities is just one piece to the puzzle and because we see everyone equal it will be an issue for a long time.

Romney is a good guy and would be a good President but he isn't really that Conservative and so the base was not enthused.

We have become a dependent country and that is by design. So it is natural for people to shy away from this that want to take away or restrict their freebies.

Obama had the media on his side.

I posted my analysis already....try and keep up.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 29, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 12:36:01 PM
I posted my analysis already....try and keep up.
Oh that's what that was. I thought David Duke entered the building...
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: supsalemgr on December 29, 2012, 12:43:25 PM
I realize this may seem cold, but we need to make not working less attractive. Case in point, when Newt and his gang brought Clinton "kickin' and screamin'" to welfare reform there was an immediate change of attitude in the country. Obama is doing everything he can to make everyone he can dependent. Say no to extending unemployment benefits and toughen food stamp and welfare laws and regualtions. This will incent folks to get off their asses and look for a job. The only teason the unemployment rate is 7.9% is folks keep dropping out of the workforce as they can do almost as well without working.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 12:46:41 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 12:36:01 PM
I posted my analysis already....try and keep up.

You posted content that came from the minds of other people.  Please come up with your own.  Also, please clean up reply #24.  You need to provide links to the sources of that content.  We don't use the "Joe Biden School of Posting" methodology around here.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 12:47:25 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 29, 2012, 12:43:25 PM
I realize this may seem cold, but we need to make not working less attractive. Case in point, when Newt and his gang brought Clinton "kickin' and screamin'" to welfare reform there was an immediate change of attitude in the country. Obama is doing everything he can to make everyone he can dependent. Say no to extending unemployment benefits and toughen food stamp and welfare laws and regualtions. This will incent folks to get off their asses and look for a job. The only teason the unemployment rate is 7.9% is folks keep dropping out of the workforce as they can do almost as well without working.

So far, so good SSM...
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 12:58:47 PM
Quote from: taxed on December 29, 2012, 12:46:41 PM
You posted content that came from the minds of other people.  Please come up with your own.  Also, please clean up reply #24.  You need to provide links to the sources of that content.  We don't use the "Joe Biden School of Posting" methodology around here.

Did you miss my replly....number 23?  I said exactly why I believe Romney lost.

I am having a problem posting links for some reason.  The authors of reply #24 were listed.  I will work on the 'link' problem.

Not sure what you mean by the 'joe biden school of posting' other than as some kind of insult.

The impression I am getting is that you are overly sensitive to anything that might be construed as having something to do with race. 

Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 01:02:57 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 29, 2012, 12:43:09 PM
Oh that's what that was. I thought David Duke entered the building...

That sir is a personal attack....are they allowed on here?....if so I gurantee you I could go toe to toe with you.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: supsalemgr on December 29, 2012, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: taxed on December 29, 2012, 12:47:25 PM
So far, so good SSM...

Thanks. I am looking forward to participating. The Blue Ridge Forum got out of control quickly after it was formed by the demise of the Hendersonville and Spartanburg newspaper forums.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 01:12:09 PM

Here is the link to the above article....hope it works.


[url]http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/assessing-how-pivotal-the-hispanic-vote-was-to-obamas-] (http://[/url)http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/assessing-how-pivotal-the-hispanic-vote-was-to-obamas-
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 01:13:35 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 12:58:47 PM
Did you miss my replly....number 23?  I said exactly why I believe Romney lost.
No.  You attempted to cloak the implication that we're racist in your post.  We are smart enough to see through that.  Please have a real discussion.

Quote
I am having a problem posting links for some reason.  The authors of reply #24 were listed.  I will work on the 'link' problem.
Thank you.

Quote
Not sure what you mean by the 'joe biden school of posting' other than as some kind of insult.
Posting other people's work, unattributed.

Quote
The impression I am getting is that you are overly sensitive to anything that might be construed as having something to do with race.
I could care less about race.  Try again.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 01:14:49 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 29, 2012, 01:10:03 PM
Thanks. I am looking forward to participating. The Blue Ridge Forum got out of control quickly after it was formed by the demise of the Hendersonville and Spartanburg newspaper forums.

Yikes!
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 01:18:58 PM
I'm not sure where you're coming from. Are you saying that the Republican Party should sacriffice it's core values to appeal to certain groups the way the Demonrats do?  Support ILLEGAL Invasion to supposedly get the Hispanic vote? Sacrifice the Christians and endorse Homosexual relationships and even redefining "Marriage" to include 2 men or 2 women?

BTW, Here's how to code a link properly:

[url=http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/assessing-how-pivotal-the-hispanic-vote-was-to-obamas-victory/] source[/url]
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 01:19:59 PM
Quote from: taxed on December 29, 2012, 01:13:35 PM
No.  You attempted to cloak the implication that we're racist in your post.  We are smart enough to see through that.  Please have a real discussion.
Thank you.
Posting other people's work, unattributed.
I could care less about race.  Try again.

I have no idea what you are talking about......you say I implied you are racist....could you please quote here what you are referring to...I have no clue.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 01:22:26 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 01:19:59 PM
I have no idea what you are talking about......you say I implied you are racist....could you please quote here what you are referring to...I have no clue.

It isn't working, SJ.  Please cut it out, because we are above that.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 29, 2012, 01:26:43 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 01:02:57 PM
That sir is a personal attack....are they allowed on here?....if so I gurantee you I could go toe to toe with you.

What? You can hurl insults on an internet forum? Wowee! You are a toughee. Calling you David Duke is not an insult. Calling you David Duke is calling you a racist.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 01:27:42 PM
Quote from: taxed on December 29, 2012, 01:22:26 PM
It isn't working, SJ.  Please cut it out, because we are above that.


You may understand what you are saying but I do not.....seems to be some sort of confusion here...I am honestlly trying to understand what you are saying.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 01:28:58 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 29, 2012, 01:26:43 PM
What? You can hurl insults on an internet forum? Wowee! You are a toughee. Calling you David Duke is not an insult. Calling you David Duke is calling you a racist.

Irregardless it is a personal attack.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 01:31:18 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 29, 2012, 01:26:43 PM
What? You can hurl insults on an internet forum? Wowee! You are a toughee. Calling you David Duke is not an insult. Calling you David Duke is calling you a racist.

It would be interesting to see your definition of racism....if you are courageous enough to attempt that.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 29, 2012, 01:31:30 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 01:28:58 PM
Irregardless it is a personal attack.
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Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 01:37:11 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 29, 2012, 01:31:30 PM
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Well you are one up on me....I don't have any pictures to answer your picture with.  heh heh


I suppose you are one of the moderate or pc republicans to be correct...and you have a huge problem with my pointing out that Republicans catering to liberals is not a good way to proceed if they wish to win the next election.

Or do you have a problem with my article reporting a particuarly horrendous minority crime in the Christmas Season?   

Other than that the only thing I can think of is that I might have humiliated you on some other board and you are stalking me over here.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 01:44:41 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 01:18:58 PM
I'm not sure where you're coming from. Are you saying that the Republican Party should sacriffice it's core values to appeal to certain groups the way the Demonrats do?  Support ILLEGAL Invasion to supposedly get the Hispanic vote? Sacrifice the Christians and endorse Homosexual relationships and even redefining "Marriage" to include 2 men or 2 women?

BTW, Here's how to code a link properly:

[url=http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/assessing-how-pivotal-the-hispanic-vote-was-to-obamas-victory/] source[/url]

Don't know to what post you are referring to but I think it is very likely the Republican Party will do exactly the things you mention...unless there is a huge rebellion....thus I think either the Republican Party will splinter or the more conservative elements will take control....it may take awhile for all this to come to a head....the sooner the better I say.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 01:51:32 PM
I'm asking if that's YOUR solution as to why the Republican lost. Are you saying, like so many who have blown thru here, is to go Demonrat Lite to gain voters?  I don't know how to make the question any simpler.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 02:01:43 PM
Taxed Posted:   "
Quote




"Posting other people's work, unattributed.



I copied and pasted an article which listed the authors.  I would have just posted the link but I posted a link earlier and it did not work.

Now you can accuse me of failing to post a link--- but claiming I posted other peoples work unatrributed is incorrect.....the authors of that article were listed....I went back and checked.

Beyond that I think it is quite obvious that there is a lot of hostility on here regarding my posts....from you, solar and boo boo.

Not sure if that is because of honest misunderstandings or there is something else at play here.

Anyhow being a new poster on here I not familiar with the history of what has transpired on here....maybe I have jumped into the middle of a bunch of 'frayed nerves'....I think for awhile I will cease from responding to anyone and just post things that cannot be considered controversial or taboo in anyway...I am not going to wast my time arguing with people that have some kind of secret agenda they are not willing to talk about honestly.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 01:28:58 PM
Irregardless it is a personal attack.
Irregardless? :laugh:
So if I said you are borderline illiterate, would that be an attack?
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 02:17:42 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 02:01:43 PM
Now you can accuse me of failing to post a link--- but claiming I posted other peoples work unatrributed is incorrect.....the authors of that article were listed....I went back and checked.

That's happened to me on another forum of liberals. I'm a little surprised to see it here. When I've done it, I thought it was obvious I was posting an article and commenting on that article.  The accusations began to fly that I was claiming I wrote it. In that case, they didn't want to deal with what I SAID, so any excuse to attack me. Two conservatives on that forum and a hoard of Libtards who can't debate ISSUES so they attacked me personally and relentlessly. "RACIST!" was the most common attack. It's why we hate Obama, you know.  :wink:
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 02:21:41 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 02:01:43 PM
Taxed Posted:   "
Quote




"Posting other people's work, unattributed.



I copied and pasted an article which listed the authors.  I would have just posted the link but I posted a link earlier and it did not work.

Now you can accuse me of failing to post a link--- but claiming I posted other peoples work unatrributed is incorrect.....the authors of that article were listed....I went back and checked.

Beyond that I think it is quite obvious that there is a lot of hostility on here regarding my posts....from you, solar and boo boo.

Not sure if that is because of honest misunderstandings or there is something else at play here.

Anyhow being a new poster on here I not familiar with the history of what has transpired on here....maybe I have jumped into the middle of a bunch of 'frayed nerves'....I think for awhile I will cease from responding to anyone and just post things that cannot be considered controversial or taboo in anyway...I am not going to wast my time arguing with people that have some kind of secret agenda they are not willing to talk about honestly.

That's great you posted the content of someone else and just posted their name.  With your logic, I can post a movie here, and just give the name of the studio.

Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 02:26:06 PM
Quote from: taxed on December 29, 2012, 02:21:41 PM
That's great you posted the content of someone else and just posted their name.  With your logic, I can post a movie here, and just give the name of the studio.

When the names are listed above an article ----most I think would understand that means they wrote the  article....well at least I see what confused you.

How long have you been a moderator?
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 02:31:49 PM
I forgot to mention not only were the auathors listed but the word 'by' was included......here is what was posted directly above the article..............


By ALLISON KOPICKI and WILL IRVING


Now how you could still fail to see I gave credit for the article is beyond me.

I am beginning to think you read it hurriedly and just missed the ....'by line'.

No big deal really but since as a new poster I think I deserve a little more respect...I think it only right I point out your error.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 02:39:09 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 02:26:06 PM
When the names are listed above an article ----most I think would understand that means they wrote the  article....well at least I see what confused you.
I wasn't confused.  I am well aware of the liability to the forum when you don't source content.

Quote
How long have you been a moderator?
Since the forum started.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 02:31:49 PM
I forgot to mention not only were the auathors listed but the word 'by' was included......here is what was posted directly above the article..............


By ALLISON KOPICKI and WILL IRVING


Now how you could still fail to see I gave credit for the article is beyond me.

I am beginning to think you read it hurriedly and just missed the ....'by line'.

No big deal really but since as a new poster I think I deserve a little more respect...I think it only right I point out your error.

That's great.  Thanks for clarifying.  I'll be sure to explain to the judge that this was all just a big misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 02:31:49 PM
I forgot to mention not only were the auathors listed but the word 'by' was included......here is what was posted directly above the article..............


By ALLISON KOPICKI and WILL IRVING


Now how you could still fail to see I gave credit for the article is beyond me.

I am beginning to think you read it hurriedly and just missed the ....'by line'.

No big deal really but since as a new poster I think I deserve a little more respect...I think it only right I point out your error.
It's important to include the link where the article comes from, because they may own the rights to the article.
Also posting the entire article is a violation of copy right laws, for the same reason, when you post an article, you are stealing revenue from the site that paid for it.
It's best to post a small paragraph and a link, this way if someone want's, they can click the link, in turn building traffic for the site that owns it.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 02:44:01 PM
Quote from: taxed on December 29, 2012, 02:39:09 PM
I wasn't confused.  I am well aware of the liability to the forum when you don't source content.
Since the forum started.
Some people just don't understand Capitalism.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 02:46:15 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 29, 2012, 02:44:01 PM
Some people just don't understand Capitalism.

Property rights elude these people.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 03:00:59 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 29, 2012, 02:42:31 PM
It's important to include the link where the article comes from, because they may own the rights to the article.
Also posting the entire article is a violation of copy right laws, for the same reason, when you post an article, you are stealing revenue from the site that paid for it.
It's best to post a small paragraph and a link, this way if someone want's, they can click the link, in turn building traffic for the site that owns it.

O.K.  My bad heh heh......that should have been pointed out earlier instead of just saying I posted something that was 'unatributed'.

Where could I find a copy of the rules of this board?
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 03:03:44 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 03:00:59 PM
O.K.  My bad heh heh......that should have been pointed out earlier instead of just saying I posted something that was 'unatributed'.

Where could I find a copy of the rules of this board?

Right here....
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/common%20sense (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/common%20sense)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 03:04:42 PM
SmilinJack, welcome to the forum.
You need to understand we are not your typical forum, we take discussions very seriously here.
We have become a Go To forum for thousands of people looking for the truth, they want answers without having to weed through lib BS, which is why we keep the reins tight around here, and which is why I questioned your intentions where race is concerned,

So just relax and enjoy yourself.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: The Stranger on December 29, 2012, 03:14:18 PM
Quote from: supsalemgr on December 29, 2012, 12:43:25 PM
I realize this may seem cold, but we need to make not working less attractive. Case in point, when Newt and his gang brought Clinton "kickin' and screamin'" to welfare reform there was an immediate change of attitude in the country. Obama is doing everything he can to make everyone he can dependent. Say no to extending unemployment benefits and toughen food stamp and welfare laws and regualtions. This will incent folks to get off their asses and look for a job. The only teason the unemployment rate is 7.9% is folks keep dropping out of the workforce as they can do almost as well without working.
There is no doubt that Oblamer wants as many people as possible on the government dole.
Well said Supsalemgr, :thumbsup: I can't figure out why the Dems can't figure this out?
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 03:00:59 PM
O.K.  My bad heh heh......that should have been pointed out earlier instead of just saying I posted something that was 'unatributed'.

Where could I find a copy of the rules of this board?
It's not rules, it's the law.
We don't need a set of rules, we expect everyone to follow basic rules of etiquette and to know the law, we are an adult forum and expect everyone to act accordingly.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 01:51:32 PM
I'm asking if that's YOUR solution as to why the Republican lost. Are you saying, like so many who have blown thru here, is to go Demonrat Lite to gain voters?  I don't know how to make the question any simpler.

If you are asking me.....then you must not be reading most of my posts....I thought I made it very clear that I am diametrically opposed to that.

In post #23 I explicitly spelled out that the Key to the republicans gaining the white house is for them is to win over the great majority of the White Working Class.

To do this White Working Class values and goals must be the center piece of any future republican platform.

Now I doubt that will happen ...but it remains to be seen....a lot of forces at play withink the republican party....who wins out remains to be seen.

I really think the White Working Class will most likely need to form their own party if they really want any representation in Washington.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 03:18:27 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
If you are asking me.....then you must not be reading most of my posts....I thought I made it very clear that I am diametrically opposed to that.

In post #23 I explicitly spelled out that the Key to the republicans gaining the white house is for them is to win over the great majority of the White Working Class.

To do this White Working Class values and goals must be the center piece of any future republican platform.

Now I doubt that will happen ...but it remains to be seen....a lot of forces at play withink the republican party....who wins out remains to be seen.

I really think the White Working Class will most likely need to form their own party if they really want any representation in Washington.

Wrong.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 03:23:38 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
If you are asking me.....then you must not be reading most of my posts....I thought I made it very clear that I am diametrically opposed to that.

In post #23 I explicitly spelled out that the Key to the republicans gaining the white house is for them is to win over the great majority of the White Working Class.

To do this White Working Class values and goals must be the center piece of any future republican platform.

Now I doubt that will happen ...but it remains to be seen....a lot of forces at play withink the republican party....who wins out remains to be seen.

I really think the White Working Class will most likely need to form their own party if they really want any representation in Washington.
Define White Working Class values, as opposed to working class values.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: walkstall on December 29, 2012, 03:58:40 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 02:26:06 PM
When the names are listed above an article ----most I think would understand that means they wrote the  article....well at least I see what confused you.

How long have you been a moderator?


Please note that taxed is in red.  He is NOT a moderator, he is a Admin just one of two Admin on CPF.     They are the nice ones, it that Rooster you have to look out for.   :popcorn:
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 04:25:19 PM
Quote from: walkstall on December 29, 2012, 03:58:40 PM

Please note that taxed is in red.  He is NOT a moderator, he is a Admin just one of two Admin on CPF.     They are the nice ones, it that Rooster you have to look out for.   :popcorn:

SmilinJack doesn't understand copyright law........................in the least.

Reprinting or posting full original works, requires permission from the people that created it. I just thought I'd throw that out. Maybe Jack will stop digging his own hole.

Here's a primer for you Jack. Don't feel bad.................your misunderstanding of the law is quite common.

http://www.companynewsletters.com/copyright.htm (http://www.companynewsletters.com/copyright.htm)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 04:27:11 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 29, 2012, 03:23:38 PM
Define White Working Class values, as opposed to working class values.

To really come to grips with that one would have to get into a type of discussion that really is not possible on message boards.....the differences between Whites and others simply cannot be discussed honestly.....It is taboo.

At first glance most would think that all working people are in the same boat...simply not true due to a number of factors....number one being the minority working class has a party....the democratic party.... that truly represents them....the white working class essentially is ignored and has little representation in Washington...remember the Revolutionary phrase....'no taxation without representation'....the white working class finds themselves in that boat once again. Whilst the minorities have more than adequate representation...in fact they are over represented.

Look at all the Social Programs designed for minorities ...Affirmative action etc.

Thus it is a fallacy to try and lump all working people into the same boat....it is not a level playing field.....though many republicans want to do that......thus the drive to reach out to the spanish and other minorities in hopes of attracting their votes......is a huge mistake.....the republicans cannot out liberal the liberals....the democrats have that vote sewed up....and the republicans need to understand that and quit pandering to the minorities and focus on who their real target should be....the White Working Class....the only group that would be willing--- if treated right to propel them to victory in the next election.

This link will give you some idea of what the White Working Class Wants..............

[url]http://washingtonexaminer.com/what-do-ohios-white-working-class-voters-want/article/feed/2033885] (http://[/url)http://washingtonexaminer.com/what-do-ohios-white-working-class-voters-want/article/feed/2033885
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 04:36:46 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 04:27:11 PM
.number one being the minority working class has a party....the democratic party.... that truly represents them...

How?
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 04:39:49 PM
Quote from: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 04:25:19 PM
SmilinJack doesn't understand copyright law........................in the least.

Reprinting or posting full original works, requires permission from the people that created it. I just thought I'd throw that out. Maybe Jack will stop digging his own hole.

Here's a primer for you Jack. Don't feel bad.................your misunderstanding of the law is quite common.

http://www.companynewsletters.com/copyright.htm (http://www.companynewsletters.com/copyright.htm)

I am not a copywright lawyer...you may be correct or you may not be...I admit I do not know for sure....but I have been told the following by a very knoledgable person........"
mikecreed57

Professor (1,287)


NO it's not illega to copy and paste from the internetl, thats the way it is when someone opens their own door and steps into the world wide web, its fair use, and to copy and paste for the purpose of sharing imformation is perfectly legal, it's how knowledge is gained
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 04:41:17 PM
Your links will not work if you keep putting them inside the url tag the way you're doing it. I showed you the way it works.  You can also simply paste the url and NOTHING else. It will automatically be displayed as a working link if you simply paste the link.

Again, the right way to use the url tag is...


[url=http://www.google.com]Google[/url]

This will turn the word Google to a link to Google
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 04:42:32 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 04:39:49 PM
I am not a copywright lawyer...you may be correct or you may not be...I admit I do not know for sure....but I have been told the following by a very knoledgable person........"
mikecreed57

Professor (1,287)


NO it's not illega to copy and paste from the internetl, that's the way it is when someone opens their own door and steps into the world wide web, its fair use, and to copy and paste for the purpose of sharing imformation is perfectly legal, it's how knowledge is gained

Wrong. And please install and put to use a spell checker. I don't feel like deciphering gibberish.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 04:43:02 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 04:39:49 PM
I am not a copywright lawyer...you may be correct or you may not be...I admit I do not know for sure....but I have been told the following by a very knoledgable person........"
mikecreed57

Professor (1,287)


NO it's not illega to copy and paste from the internetl, thats the way it is when someone opens their own door and steps into the world wide web, its fair use, and to copy and paste for the purpose of sharing imformation is perfectly legal, it's how knowledge is gained

I see we have a stubborn one.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 04:39:49 PM
I am not a copywright lawyer...you may be correct or you may not be...I admit I do not know for sure....but I have been told the following by a very knoledgable person........"
mikecreed57

Professor (1,287)


NO it's not illega to copy and paste from the internetl, thats the way it is when someone opens their own door and steps into the world wide web, its fair use, and to copy and paste for the purpose of sharing imformation is perfectly legal, it's how knowledge is gained

I actually agree with you. There was a lawsuit against the free republic years ago over this issue and it was determined that you can post an article FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.  If I am wrong, explain how.

QuoteL.A. Times v. Free Republic is a 1998 United States district court copyright law case. Several newspapers sued the Internet forum Free Republic for allowing its users to repost the full text of copyrighted newspaper articles, asserting that this constituted copyright infringement. Free Republic claimed that they were not liable under the doctrine of fair use and the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech. The federal courts ruled in favor of the newspapers.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.A._Times_v._Free_Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.A._Times_v._Free_Republic)

Still, it is against the rules HERE, and can cause unnecessary problems, so it would be best (and is REQUIRED) to obey this simple rule.  If you've been told once, it should be enough.

EDIT:
Oops! I was wrong. I THOUGHT they ruled in favor of the Free Republic!  :blushing:
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 04:52:37 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
I actually agree with you. There was a lawsuit against the free republic years ago over this issue and it was determined that you can post an article FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.  If I am wrong, explain how.

Still, it is against the rules HERE, so it would be best (and is REQUIRED) to obey this simple rule.  If you've been told once, it should be enough.

Thank you
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 04:55:32 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
I actually agree with you. There was a lawsuit against the free republic years ago over this issue and it was determined that you can post an article FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.  If I am wrong, explain how.

Still, it is against the rules HERE, so it would be best (and is REQUIRED) to obey this simple rule.  If you've been told once, it should be enough.

No.  The entire article -- even if referenced -- is a copyright violation and falls outside the bounds of Fair Use.  Copying a snippet of the article for the purpose of discussion is OK, which is allowed.  Copying the entire piece is a violation.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 04:49:01 PM
I actually agree with you. There was a lawsuit against the free republic years ago over this issue and it was determined that you can post an article FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.  If I am wrong, explain how.

Still, it is against the rules HERE, so it would be best (and is REQUIRED) to obey this simple rule.  If you've been told once, it should be enough.

It's against the rules everywhere. It's not just the person doing the reprinting, it's the owners of the site that can be held liable.

Did you read my link? Snips of up to three paragraphs are alright.

Reprinting articles

Let's start with the most common way newsletter editors infringe upon a copyright — illegally reprinting articles from another source (publication, Web site, etc.). This happens all the time because of a popular misconception: Some editors mistakenly believe it's OK to reprint an article from another source without permission, as long as they credit the original source of the article.

This belief is absolutely untrue. The only way you can legally reprint a copyrighted article is to get permission (preferably written) from the publication in which it first appeared. In some cases, you many even have to get permission from the article's author, depending on who owns the rights to the story.

Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Bassman on December 29, 2012, 04:57:17 PM
One of the biggest problems, at least from my perspective, is that the GOP has been unwilling to get in the dirt with the Democrats and fight bare knuckle with them for a long time.  Their attempts to "hold the higher ground" have led to this.  We need Republicans to be able to bettle the Democrats head-on and take names later.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 04:58:09 PM
Quote from: taxed on December 29, 2012, 04:55:32 PM
No.  The entire article -- even if referenced -- is a copyright violation and falls outside the bounds of Fair Use.  Copying a snippet of the article for the purpose of discussion is OK, which is allowed.  Copying the entire piece is a violation.

Yes. I was wrong. I need to learn to read more carefully I guess.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 04:58:17 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 04:52:37 PM
Thank you

Can we call you guys Wrong and Wronger? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 04:59:01 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 04:58:09 PM
Yes. I was wrong. I need to learn to read more carefully I guess.

That's the only time we agree with libs -- when we're wrong!!!!  hahaha
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 05:02:21 PM
Quote from: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 04:58:17 PM
Can we call you guys Wrong and Wronger? :rolleyes:

I could have sworn they ruled the other way! But wikipedia says I'm wrong (not wronger)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:05:24 PM
Quote from: taxed on December 29, 2012, 04:36:46 PM
How?

I will give you a one word answer.....but it is all pervasive regarding the advantages supplied to our minorities.

Affirmative Action

Do you understand how that works?  Do you understand how big business is forced to hire minorities that are not even qualified over White Folk who are?

Do you understand a minority can get into prestigious universities even though they are not academically qualified?...that in fact....academically qualified Whites are pushed out into the street by these elite universities to make way for minorities?

Now if you agree to this then perhaps you should be in the democratic party under whose leadership....the infamous LBJ...all this was made possible.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 04:58:09 PM
Yes. I was wrong. I need to learn to read more carefully I guess.

There is an exception...............

You can reprint, copy, or whatever you want, with any government publication.

I could run this entire text and it would not be in violation of any laws.

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap2.html (http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap2.html)

Just don't try to reprint pictures of money on other paper and use it as currency. They don't like that. :wink:
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:05:24 PM
I will give you a one word answer.....but it is all pervasive regarding the advantages supplied to our minorities.

Affirmative Action

Do you understand how that works?  Do you understand how big business is forced to hire minorities that are not even qualified over White Folk who are?

Do you understand a minority can get into prestigious universities even though they are not academically qualified?...that in fact....academically qualified Whites are pushed out into the street by these elite universities to make way for minorities?

Now if you agree to this then perhaps you should be in the democratic party under whose leadership....the infamous LBJ...all this was made possible.

And that helps the minority consumers of those businesses how?
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 05:02:21 PM
I could have sworn they ruled the other way! But wikipedia says I'm wrong (not wronger)

No worries. I was just ribbin' ya. :smile:
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 04:27:11 PM
To really come to grips with that one would have to get into a type of discussion that really is not possible on message boards.....the differences between Whites and others simply cannot be discussed honestly.....It is taboo.

At first glance most would think that all working people are in the same boat...simply not true due to a number of factors....number one being the minority working class has a party....the democratic party.... that truly represents them....the white working class essentially is ignored and has little representation in Washington...remember the Revolutionary phrase....'no taxation without representation'....the white working class finds themselves in that boat once again. Whilst the minorities have more than adequate representation...in fact they are over represented.

Look at all the Social Programs designed for minorities ...Affirmative action etc.

Thus it is a fallacy to try and lump all working people into the same boat....it is not a level playing field.....though many republicans want to do that......thus the drive to reach out to the spanish and other minorities in hopes of attracting their votes......is a huge mistake.....the republicans cannot out liberal the liberals....the democrats have that vote sewed up....and the republicans need to understand that and quit pandering to the minorities and focus on who their real target should be....the White Working Class....the only group that would be willing--- if treated right to propel them to victory in the next election.

This link will give you some idea of what the White Working Class Wants..............

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/what-do-ohios-white-working-class-voters-want/article/feed/2033885]]http://washingtonexaminer.com/what-do-ohios-white-working-class-voters-want/article/feed/2033885] (http://[/url)http://washingtonexaminer.com/what-do-ohios-white-working-class-voters-want/article/feed/2033885 (http://washingtonexaminer.com/what-do-ohios-white-working-class-voters-want/article/feed/2033885)
Pure BS!
The private sector whether white, green blue black does not fall under affirmative action laws.
What you're describing is Govt employees, which is an entirely different subject.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Patriot on December 29, 2012, 05:18:28 PM
I think discussing demographics including race is appropriate when looking at the election results.  We just have to be careful to not suggest differences in voting patterns result from differences in values unless we define what those values are and can point to specific data that indicates there to be differences.  The point is not to be PC, but to be accurate.

This article in RealClearPolitics points to data suggesting, but not proving, why the GOP did not get enough White voters.

The link and a couple of snippets to stay within fair use:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/08/the_case_of_the_missing_white_voters_116106-2.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/08/the_case_of_the_missing_white_voters_116106-2.html)

So who were these whites and why did they stay home? My first instinct was that they might be conservative evangelicals turned off by Romney's Mormonism or moderate past. But the decline didn't seem to be concentrated in Southern states with high evangelical populations.

...

My sense is these voters were unhappy with Obama. But his negative ad campaign relentlessly emphasizing Romney's wealth and tenure at Bain Capital may have turned them off to the Republican nominee as well. The Romney campaign exacerbated this through the challenger's failure to articulate a clear, positive agenda to address these voters' fears, and self-inflicted wounds like the "47 percent" gaffe. Given a choice between two unpalatable options, these voters simply stayed home.

...

But in terms of interpreting elections, and analyzing the future, the substantial drop-off in the white vote is a significant data point.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:37:10 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 29, 2012, 05:14:18 PM
Pure BS!
The private sector whether white, green blue black does not fall under affirmative action laws.
What you're describing is Govt employees, which is an entirely different subject.

Read and weep>>>>>>>http://eeoguidance.com/eeoguidance/which_eeo_laws_apply.asp (http://eeoguidance.com/eeoguidance/which_eeo_laws_apply.asp)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:40:02 PM
More Info. on affirmative action.........http://www.diversestrategies.com/Affirmative_action.htm (http://www.diversestrategies.com/Affirmative_action.htm)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:44:48 PM
The costs of Affirmative Action......http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2008/6/4/the-cost-of-affirmative-action-in/ (http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2008/6/4/the-cost-of-affirmative-action-in/)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:47:14 PM
The Case Against Affirmative Action>>>>http://www.csus.edu/indiv/g/gaskilld/business_computer_ethics/the%20case%20against%20affirmative%20action.htm (http://www.csus.edu/indiv/g/gaskilld/business_computer_ethics/the%20case%20against%20affirmative%20action.htm)


this should be enough to convince even the most liberal republican that affirmative action needs to go.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:49:51 PM
Quote from: USAPatriot on December 29, 2012, 05:18:28 PM
I think discussing demographics including race is appropriate when looking at the election results.  We just have to be careful to not suggest differences in voting patterns result from differences in values unless we define what those values are and can point to specific data that indicates there to be differences.  The point is not to be PC, but to be accurate.

This article in RealClearPolitics points to data suggesting, but not proving, why the GOP did not get enough White voters.

The link and a couple of snippets to stay within fair use:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/08/the_case_of_the_missing_white_voters_116106-2.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/08/the_case_of_the_missing_white_voters_116106-2.html)

So who were these whites and why did they stay home? My first instinct was that they might be conservative evangelicals turned off by Romney's Mormonism or moderate past. But the decline didn't seem to be concentrated in Southern states with high evangelical populations.

...

My sense is these voters were unhappy with Obama. But his negative ad campaign relentlessly emphasizing Romney's wealth and tenure at Bain Capital may have turned them off to the Republican nominee as well. The Romney campaign exacerbated this through the challenger's failure to articulate a clear, positive agenda to address these voters' fears, and self-inflicted wounds like the "47 percent" gaffe. Given a choice between two unpalatable options, these voters simply stayed home.

...

But in terms of interpreting elections, and analyzing the future, the substantial drop-off in the white vote is a significant data point.


Good information but an additional fact to consider is that a lot of the White Working Class voted voted for Obama...especially in the crucial state of Ohio....thus it was not just a matter of the whites who stayed home rather than voted.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: taxed on December 29, 2012, 05:06:17 PM
And that helps the minority consumers of those businesses how?

Who said it did....certainly not me.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 05:54:41 PM
Not trying to sound like a know-it-all, but here's how I see it...................

The republicans figure that poor girls, (regardless of race), WANT to become nothing more than sperm receptacles for random donors...................THEY DON'T

Republicans figure that poor girls WANT to have abortions................THEY DON'T

Republicans figure that people are completely happy living in the gutter on $1000 a month from the government...........THEY AREN'T

Democrats have worked hard to keep these people, (regardless of race), exactly where they are, and voting democrap.

Whites make up the majority of welfare recipients, but they aren't seen...........................want to know why?

They aren't corralled into government housing projects like blacks are......................want to know why?

Because it is democrat liberals that think that whites are superior, and they don't dare put them in situations where they can organize into criminal enterprises. They were wrong about blacks. They have proven quite adept at organizing themselves and running thriving businesses....................albeit, ruthless and illegal ones.

The message from republicans is a simple one, and they have to mean it.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS. WE WILL HELP YOU CHANGE IT.

If they can find a way to vocalize this message, and let people know that they are not the scum that democrats have made them into......................they will win.

People are born to learn things and be productive. Democrats stifle that basic human instinct. It's the only possible way for them to hold onto power.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: taxed on December 29, 2012, 05:55:09 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:51:40 PM
Who said it did....certainly not me.

You said the Dems look out for minorities, then used affirmative action as an example. That isn't helping them -- it hurts them.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:57:14 PM
Who were those White Guys that voted for Obama.......certainly a lot more of them than generally thought.

As the following makes clear...........http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/white-guys-voted-for-obama-too/2012/11/09/d165d16e-2a98-11e2-b4e0- (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/white-guys-voted-for-obama-too/2012/11/09/d165d16e-2a98-11e2-b4e0-)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 05:58:34 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:57:14 PM
Who were those White Guys that voted for Obama.......certainly a lot more of them than generally thought.

As the following makes clear...........http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/white-guys-voted-for-obama-too/2012/11/09/d165d16e-2a98-11e2-b4e0- (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/white-guys-voted-for-obama-too/2012/11/09/d165d16e-2a98-11e2-b4e0-)



"page not found"  It's not a complete link
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 06:00:02 PM
Let me try that one more time...............http://supersaiyan.newsvine.com/_news/2012/11/12/15113548-white-guys-voted-for-obama-too (http://supersaiyan.newsvine.com/_news/2012/11/12/15113548-white-guys-voted-for-obama-too)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 06:06:26 PM
Quote from: taxed on December 29, 2012, 05:55:09 PM
You said the Dems look out for minorities, then used affirmative action as an example. That isn't helping them -- it hurts them.


I do agree with that....but the perception amongst the minorities is quite the opposite thus they overwhelmingly support it and really believe the democrats are helping them. 

No matter how many facts you present to them they will not change their allegiance...thus....it is a lose ...lose sitution for the Republicans to cater to the minorities because:  the minorities will not give them their vote and they are alienating the only class that is willing to elect them if treated right....The White Working Class.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 06:11:52 PM
Quote from: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 05:54:41 PM
Not trying to sound like a know-it-all, but here's how I see it...................

The republicans figure that poor girls, (regardless of race), WANT to become nothing more than sperm receptacles for random donors...................THEY DON'T

Republicans figure that poor girls WANT to have abortions................THEY DON'T

Republicans figure that people are completely happy living in the gutter on $1000 a month from the government...........THEY AREN'T

Democrats have worked hard to keep these people, (regardless of race), exactly where they are, and voting democrap.

Whites make up the majority of welfare recipients, but they aren't seen...........................want to know why?

They aren't corralled into government housing projects like blacks are......................want to know why?

Because it is democrat liberals that think that whites are superior, and they don't dare put them in situations where they can organize into criminal enterprises. They were wrong about blacks. They have proven quite adept at organizing themselves and running thriving businesses....................albeit, ruthless and illegal ones.

The message from republicans is a simple one, and they have to mean it.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS. WE WILL HELP YOU CHANGE IT.

If they can find a way to vocalize this message, and let people know that they are not the scum that democrats have made them into......................they will win.

People are born to learn things and be productive. Democrats stifle that basic human instinct. It's the only possible way for them to hold onto power.

You make some good points but if you really believe the attitudes of the minorities can be changed anytime in our lifetimes you are very wrong.

Now it is highly possible some say even probably that the Republican Big Wigs will do exactly what you say.....I mean they will try to do what you say....but it is doomed to failure.

In fact unless the Republicans wake up....they may never win another election...actually though at this point it is even too early to say for sure that the Republican Party will exist by the time the next Presidential Election rolls around.

In a nutshell what matters to the masses is perception ...not reality. 
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 06:21:36 PM
One further thing about helpling minorities.....It could be done but it would have to be done against their will....meaning their current perceptions and behavior is so ingrained it would be easier to change a muslim into a Christian than to change a democratic minoirty person into a Republican.....that also applies to a lit of die in hard democratic white folk....particuarly the older ones who grew up in the depression or therabouts though they are dying off quite rapidly now.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 06:31:49 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:37:10 PM
Read and weep>>>>>>>http://eeoguidance.com/eeoguidance/which_eeo_laws_apply.asp (http://eeoguidance.com/eeoguidance/which_eeo_laws_apply.asp)
Do you have a comprehension issue, what did I say about Govt?

What entities are subject to the requirements of Executive Order 11246?

If a business or organization has a Federal contract, subcontract, or federally assisted construction contract it may be subject to the requirements of Executive Order 11246. Generally speaking, any business or organization that (1) holds a single Federal contract, subcontract,
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 06:40:17 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 06:21:36 PM
One further thing about helpling minorities.....It could be done but it would have to be done against their will....meaning their current perceptions and behavior is so ingrained it would be easier to change a muslim into a Christian than to change a democratic minoirty person into a Republican.....that also applies to a lit of die in hard democratic white folk....particuarly the older ones who grew up in the depression or therabouts though they are dying off quite rapidly now.

I wish you would stop saying "minorities".

I've got two "white" grown daughters, and a dead "white" ex wife that got sucked into the government cheese. The ex wife came from a long line of government dependents..........................my bad. I was young and stupid. I'm still paying the price.

Nobody said that changing them will be easy, but this problem is not a color issue. It's an issue with having a government that thrives on dependents....................................it's not just the damned democrats either. The republicans just hand out the free stuff to a different set of people. :cursing:

Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 07:18:46 PM
Quote from: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 06:40:17 PM
I wish you would stop saying "minorities".

I've got two "white" grown daughters, and a dead "white" ex wife that got sucked into the government cheese. The ex wife came from a long line of government dependents..........................my bad. I was young and stupid. I'm still paying the price.

Nobody said that changing them will be easy, but this problem is not a color issue. It's an issue with having a government that thrives on dependents....................................it's not just the damned democrats either. The republicans just hand out the free stuff to a different set of people. :cursing:

Again.....you make good points....and it is true many white folk have gotten misled...to the point now where we are on the verge of going completely socialistic...which of course does not work...just an illusion...and there will be a tremendous price to pay for it.

I am just being realistic...it is not a question of which is the easiest or the hardest way to change the course of America...it is a question of what is possible and what is not.

Even with the best of education programs(if they were even available) would have little influence on the die hard minority democrats......they are completely sold on the democratic party come hell or high water. 

The majority of White Working People though are more amenable to change....look at the huge droves that fled  the democratic party aka the Reagan Democrats....look at how the solid democratic south became republican...so it is my contention that the White Working Class can be reached.... of whom too many either stayed home this time or voted democratic.

The Republican party  must come up with a platform and candidate that convinces the White Working Class that the Republicans   really have something to offer them than other than  just lip service i.e.

A guranteed College Education for their kids....all who are qualified that is for higher education.

Does it really make any sense to provide a higher education for minorities even when they are not  qualified for academic success....  And at the same time deny an education to gifted white kids whose parents cannot afford to send them to college?

Most White Working People understand the stupidity of affirmative action and the pc lauded pursuit of diversity....Most White Working People know that b.s. is a myth yet it has been crammed down their throats and they are paying for it....absolutely outrageous!

Things have gotten so bad in this area that Many White Working Folk cannot even afford to own a car....the isurance rates have gotten so bad not to mention the costs of repairing or buying a new car. 

I see more and more white guys riding a bicycle to work...it is even chaper now to take a cab than own a car....and look how the price of groceries is going up and up.....how long will it before you have to line up to buy a loaf of bread even if you have the money like happened in socialist russia.

Super Inflation is on the horizon....White Working Folk better get prepared to suffer...and learn basic survival skills...it is going to get bad....real bad.

So much for the American dream...things are changing and real fast...who knows what our living conditions will be in 4 years?   One thing for sure...we will not be better off.....that is for damn sure.

Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 07:25:55 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 29, 2012, 06:31:49 PM
Do you have a comprehension issue, what did I say about Govt?

What entities are subject to the requirements of Executive Order 11246?

If a business or organization has a Federal contract, subcontract, or federally assisted construction contract it may be subject to the requirements of Executive Order 11246. Generally speaking, any business or organization that (1) holds a single Federal contract, subcontract,

DO YOU KNOW WHICH EEO AND AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EMPLOYMENT LAWS APPLY TO YOUR BUSINESS?
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) cover all private employers, state and local governments, and education institutions that employ 15 or more individuals. These laws also cover private and public employment agencies, labor organizations, and joint labor management committees controlling apprenticeship and training
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 07:36:59 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 07:18:46 PM
Again.....you make good points....and it is true many white folk have gotten misled...to the point now where we are on the verge of going completely socialistic...which of course does not work...just an illusion...and there will be a tremendous price to pay for it.

I am just being realistic...it is not a question of which is the easiest or the hardest way to change the course of America...it is a question of what is possible and what is not.

Even with the best of education programs(if they were even available) would have little influence on the die hard minority democrats......they are completely sold on the democratic party come hell or high water. 

The majority of White Working People though are more amenable to change....look at the huge droves that fled  the democratic party aka the Reagan Democrats....look at how the solid democratic south became republican...so it is my contention that the White Working Class can be reached.... of whom too many either stayed home this time or voted democratic.

The Republican party  must come up with a platform and candidate that convinces the White Working Class that the Republicans   really have something to offer them than other than  just lip service i.e.

A guranteed College Education for their kids....all who are qualified that is for higher education.

Does it really make any sense to provide a higher education for minorities even when they are not  qualified for academic success....  And at the same time deny an education to gifted white kids whose parents cannot afford to send them to college?

Most White Working People understand the stupidity of affirmative action and the pc lauded pursuit of diversity....Most White Working People know that b.s. is a myth yet it has been crammed down their throats and they are paying for it....absolutely outrageous!

Things have gotten so bad in this area that Many White Working Folk cannot even afford to own a car....the isurance rates have gotten so bad not to mention the costs of repairing or buying a new car. 

I see more and more white guys riding a bicycle to work...it is even chaper now to take a cab than own a car....and look how the price of groceries is going up and up.....how long will it before you have to line up to buy a loaf of bread even if you have the money like happened in socialist russia.

Super Inflation is on the horizon....White Working Folk better get prepared to suffer...and learn basic survival skills...it is going to get bad....real bad.

So much for the American dream...things are changing and real fast...who knows what our living conditions will be in 4 years?   One thing for sure...we will not be better off.....that is for damn sure.

Democrats are the racists. Affirmative action proves it.

One of the ways that democrats win elections, is to tell black and hispanic people, " You are not as smart as white people. We know you cannot pass the tests on your own, so we will give you an easier test to make it fair."

The number of black people that are seeing through the democrat racism, grows by the year. If the chicken shit republicans would stop being such timid mice, they could convey that message.

This country was built on individualism...................it succeeded.

Everyone loses if the democrats, (and Obama in particular), are able to pull off this collectivist shit they are peddling. It's been tried before. Government becomes royalty, and the entire population, peasants.

The asshole republicans are playing their cards close.......................because they would like to part of the royalty. Better to be a part of the ruling class, than one of the peasants.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 07:43:05 PM
Affirmative Action and Private Business Owners..........http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2002/04/22/focus3.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2002/04/22/focus3.html)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 07:43:05 PM
Affirmative Action and Private Business Owners..........http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2002/04/22/focus3.html (http://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/stories/2002/04/22/focus3.html)

I'm fully aware of it. I have been forced to hire unqualified black people and unqualified women.

Again. This is not a race problem, it's a problem with our government.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 07:59:02 PM
Jesse Jackson's Extortion Racket>>>>>>http://www.skeptictank.org/gen4/gen02379.htm (http://www.skeptictank.org/gen4/gen02379.htm)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 08:14:31 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 07:59:02 PM
Jesse Jackson's Extortion Racket>>>>>>http://www.skeptictank.org/gen4/gen02379.htm (http://www.skeptictank.org/gen4/gen02379.htm)

Duh!!!

So why is exposing Jackson as a sellout so difficult?

Here's my theory..................

I think that many of the republicans would rather be a cog in the wheel of a socialist government, than stand up for what is right and risk their pitiful little careers.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 08:16:23 PM
Quote from: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 07:57:35 PM
I'm fully aware of it. I have been forced to hire unqualified black people and unqualified women.

Again. This is not a race problem, it's a problem with our government.

Many liberals will tell you there is no longer a quota system regarding employment and employers.....but what happens in many cases is that if a particular company is not able to find enough qualified minorities to  satisfy the NAACP they will sue the company for discrimination....so although technically speaking there is not a
quota system by law..... there is by practice....that is why most companies have a very aggressive policy to hire minorities ...often those with little or no qualifications....because these business people do not want to be singled  out by the NAACP and sued...when they are sued or even threatened with a law suit they will often settle out of court to make the problem go away...this tactic by the NAACP and particuarly jesse jacksown has cost the business world beyond description.....billions of dollars.

Not even to mention the costs to business owners of keeping up with and complying to federal regulations in general....that is one beig reason so many fled overseas....America has essentially become anti-business.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 08:21:53 PM
Quote from: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 08:14:31 PM
Duh!!!

So why is exposing Jackson as a sellout so difficult?

Here's my theory..................

I think that many of the republicans would rather be a cog in the wheel of a socialist government, than stand up for what is right and risk their pitiful little careers.


That is another reason we need term limits....politicians have made a career out of being politicians....and they fear being labeled a racist almost more than anything...knowing full well that is a career ender.

Thus so many of our worst problems are ignored because they are too controversial for career minded politicians to risk their careers for.... they put their personal career way ahead of the interests of the nation.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 08:23:40 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 08:16:23 PM
Many liberals will tell you there is no longer a quota system regarding employment and employers.....but what happens in many cases is that if a particular company is not able to find enough qualified minorities to  satisfy the NAACP they will sue the company for discrimination....so although technically speaking there is not a
quota system by law..... there is by practice....that is why most companies have a very aggressive policy to hire minorities ...often those with little or no qualifications....because these business people do not want to be singled  out by the NAACP and sued...when they are sued or even threatened with a law suit they will often settle out of court to make the problem go away...this tactic by the NAACP and particuarly jesse jacksown has cost the business world beyond description.....billions of dollars.

Not even to mention the costs to business owners of keeping up with and complying to federal regulations in general....that is one beig reason so many fled overseas....America has essentially become anti-business.

Correct. Our government has become a cancer.

There are treatments to send it into remission, but the cancer gets to make the call............not the host, which is us. The cancer will always vote for the things that feed it. Raising taxes is just the beginning.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 08:26:50 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 07:25:55 PM
DO YOU KNOW WHICH EEO AND AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EMPLOYMENT LAWS APPLY TO YOUR BUSINESS?
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) cover all private employers, state and local governments, and education institutions that employ 15 or more individuals. These laws also cover private and public employment agencies, labor organizations, and joint labor management committees controlling apprenticeship and training
Sheesh!!! How freakin thick are you?
You claimed Affirmative action, and now you want to expand it to the ADA?
Take Note! Govt cannot dictate who I hire, Period!!!
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 08:45:45 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 29, 2012, 08:26:50 PM
Sheesh!!! How freakin thick are you?
You claimed Affirmative action, and now you want to expand it to the ADA?
Take Note! Govt cannot dictate who I hire, Period!!!

Technically, no. But they can run you out of business if you get in their crosshairs.

Jack should spend some time looking at what the UN is up to. It makes the US government look like small potatoes.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 29, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
Let's be honest with ourselves. As long as political parties have to pander the country will be on the losing end. Voters exist solely to keep them employed.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 09:18:53 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 29, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
Let's be honest with ourselves. As long as political parties have to pander the country will be on the losing end. Voters exist solely to keep them employed.

They suck.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 29, 2012, 09:28:30 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 29, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
Let's be honest with ourselves. As long as political parties have to pander the country will be on the losing end. Voters exist solely to keep them employed.

If you have a moral population your statement should read, "as long as the political parties are ACCOUNTABLE to the People, the country wins."

Because of the nature of our Republic, we get the government we deserve.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Darth Fife on December 29, 2012, 09:30:30 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 29, 2012, 09:10:20 PM
Let's be honest with ourselves. As long as political parties have to pander the country will be on the losing end. Voters exist solely to keep them employed.

Let me fix this up for you...

Let's be honest with ourselves. As long as political parties have to pander can get away with pandering the country will be on the losing end.

:wink:
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 29, 2012, 09:44:16 PM
Quote from: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 08:45:45 PM
Technically, no. But they can run you out of business if you get in their crosshairs.

Jack should spend some time looking at what the UN is up to. It makes the US government look like small potatoes.
I really don't give a damn what laws they pass, I will hire the right person for the job just like every other business.
If the Govt was serious about AA or ADA, they would crack down on Hollywood and force them to follow the same laws or rather restrictions they place on industry, but it's a perfect example of how far they aren't willing to go.

I don't care what anyone says, they still can't dictate who business employs.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 29, 2012, 09:44:16 PM
I really don't give a damn what laws they pass, I will hire the right person for the job just like every other business.
If the Govt was serious about AA or ADA, they would crack down on Hollywood and force them to follow the same laws or rather restrictions they place on industry, but it's a perfect example of how far they aren't willing to go.

I don't care what anyone says, they still can't dictate who business employs.

I was working for a company back in the mid 80's; I had the same attitude. I was told by the company honchos to hire black people and females; no ifs, ands or buts.....................so I did. Then I fired the ones that couldn't perform.

I'm glad they didn't force me to hire white people; on many of my jobs, the crew was primarily black. I hired, kept people, and gave raises; based only on performance. Nothing else.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 06:14:37 AM
Quote from: kramarat on December 29, 2012, 09:52:23 PM
I was working for a company back in the mid 80's; I had the same attitude. I was told by the company honchos to hire black people and females; no ifs, ands or buts.....................so I did. Then I fired the ones that couldn't perform.

I'm glad they didn't force me to hire white people; on many of my jobs, the crew was primarily black. I hired, kept people, and gave raises; based only on performance. Nothing else.
As it should be, we should never be forced into quotas, minimum wage is bad enough, but the day the Govt can dictate who an employer can hire or fire, the country just died.
That is the definition of dictatorship.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:08:12 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 06:14:37 AM
As it should be, we should never be forced into quotas, minimum wage is bad enough, but the day the Govt can dictate who an employer can hire or fire, the country just died.
That is the definition of dictatorship.

Racial Quotas in America>>>>>http://www.ehow.com/about_5163558_government-regulations-small-businesses.html (http://www.ehow.com/about_5163558_government-regulations-small-businesses.html)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 30, 2012, 08:11:27 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 06:14:37 AM
As it should be, we should never be forced into quotas, minimum wage is bad enough, but the day the Govt can dictate who an employer can hire or fire, the country just died.
That is the definition of dictatorship.

I never looked into the hows and whys. I couldn't believe my ears when they told me that, though. I had sole responsibility for jobs that ran up to $1 million and over. My ass was on the line daily. :confused:
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:11:34 AM
Sorry...I posted the wrong link on quotas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_quota (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_quota)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:21:12 AM

The abuse of Affirmative Action


http://www.admissionsboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5146 (http://www.admissionsboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5146)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:26:05 AM
The Costs of Federal Regulations

http://jan.blog.ocregister.com/2010/09/24/federal-rules-cost-u-s-firms-1-75-trillion/45704/ (http://jan.blog.ocregister.com/2010/09/24/federal-rules-cost-u-s-firms-1-75-trillion/45704/)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: mdgiles on December 30, 2012, 08:49:21 AM
I still say Obama and the Dimocraps cheated!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/how_chicago_and_obama_globalized_voter_id_fraud.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/how_chicago_and_obama_globalized_voter_id_fraud.html)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:55:12 AM
Quote from: kramarat on December 30, 2012, 08:11:27 AM
I never looked into the hows and whys. I couldn't believe my ears when they told me that, though. I had sole responsibility for jobs that ran up to $1 million and over. My ass was on the line daily. :confused:


The racial quota system is alive and well.


Any business owner small or big places himself in legal jeopardy if he does not have at least l5% of his total employees as minorities.

If he has over 50 employees and does not use a quota system he could easily be targeted by the NAACP or the feds for racial discrimination.

If he has under 50 employees the NAACP will most likely not bother him...the big bucks are in the big companies....though that is no gurantee he will not be sued for racial discrimination....any individual black that he refuses to hire could sue him for racial discrimination....and sometimes he will get the NAACP with their expensive lawyers to assist him...even if he does not ...there are enough legal sharks out there to make the life of a small business owner hellish....to the point where in most cases they are willing to settle out of court...cheaper than fighting a long legal battle.

That is precisely why most business owners walk a very fine line in regards to racial discrimination...some are over cautious some are under cautious....it just depends on how big of a risk taker they are.

Anyone that denies racial quotas exist simply do not understand how the business world is now forced to operate...................http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 30, 2012, 09:55:03 AM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:55:12 AM

The racial quota system is alive and well.


Any business owner small or big places himself in legal jeopardy if he does not have at least l5% of his total employees as minorities.

If he has over 50 employees and does not use a quota system he could easily be targeted by the NAACP or the feds for racial discrimination.

If he has under 50 employees the NAACP will most likely not bother him...the big bucks are in the big companies....though that is no gurantee he will not be sued for racial discrimination....any individual black that he refuses to hire could sue him for racial discrimination....and sometimes he will get the NAACP with their expensive lawyers to assist him...even if he does not ...there are enough legal sharks out there to make the life of a small business owner hellish....to the point where in most cases they are willing to settle out of court...cheaper than fighting a long legal battle.

That is precisely why most business owners walk a very fine line in regards to racial discrimination...some are over cautious some are under cautious....it just depends on how big of a risk taker they are.

Anyone that denies racial quotas exist simply do not understand how the business world is now forced to operate...................http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html)

The cost of regulation link is a shocker. It's no wonder that our economy sucks and manufacturing is done overseas.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 10:09:45 AM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:08:12 AM
Racial Quotas in America>>>>>http://www.ehow.com/about_5163558_government-regulations-small-businesses.html (http://www.ehow.com/about_5163558_government-regulations-small-businesses.html)
Are you still trying to build that strawman?
You claim racial quotas, but the words racial and quota do not come up in a word search,.
If there is something specific you want me to read, then freakin post it, I am not in the mood to play games or help you do your homework.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 10:22:49 AM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:55:12 AM

The racial quota system is alive and well.


Any business owner small or big places himself in legal jeopardy if he does not have at least l5% of his total employees as minorities.

If he has over 50 employees and does not use a quota system he could easily be targeted by the NAACP or the feds for racial discrimination.

If he has under 50 employees the NAACP will most likely not bother him...the big bucks are in the big companies....though that is no gurantee he will not be sued for racial discrimination....any individual black that he refuses to hire could sue him for racial discrimination....and sometimes he will get the NAACP with their expensive lawyers to assist him...even if he does not ...there are enough legal sharks out there to make the life of a small business owner hellish....to the point where in most cases they are willing to settle out of court...cheaper than fighting a long legal battle.

That is precisely why most business owners walk a very fine line in regards to racial discrimination...some are over cautious some are under cautious....it just depends on how big of a risk taker they are.

Anyone that denies racial quotas exist simply do not understand how the business world is now forced to operate...................http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html)
Are you going to keep posting BS, or give me an actual law that specifies private industry hiring is governed by Gov regulations?
You started out with the claim that Govt has the ability to force private industry to follow hiring quotas, my response.
Quote from: Solar on December 29, 2012, 05:14:18 PM
Pure BS!
The private sector whether white, green blue black does not fall under affirmative action laws.
What you're describing is Govt employees, which is an entirely different subject.
your response.
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:37:10 PM
Read and weep>>>>>>>http://eeoguidance.com/eeoguidance/which_eeo_laws_apply.asp (http://eeoguidance.com/eeoguidance/which_eeo_laws_apply.asp)

Now either prove me wrong, or concede, private industry is not under any obligation for quotas.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 30, 2012, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 10:09:45 AM
Are you still trying to build that strawman?
You claim racial quotas, but the words racial and quota do not come up in a word search,.
If there is something specific you want me to read, then freakin post it, I am not in the mood to play games or help you do your homework.

He keeps coming back to race, but I don't think that's the problem. I see it as another example of out of control government.

I also see a problem with the likes of people like Jesse Jackson, and organizations like the NAACP, that perpetuate the notion that black people, (as individuals), are inadequate. I personally know that that is not true. Black people that have accomplished things in their lives, (millions of them), resent the hell out of it, and I don't blame them.

I've never worked anywhere that didn't hire the most qualified person for a job, regardless of age, sex, race, etc. I suppose they exist, but it's a stupid way to run a business.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 10:39:59 AM
Quote from: kramarat on December 30, 2012, 10:29:38 AM
He keeps coming back to race, but I don't think that's the problem. I see it as another example of out of control government.
Yes, which is why I initially warned him about coming here with a racist chip on his shoulder.

QuoteI also see a problem with the likes of people like Jesse Jackson, and organizations like the NAACP, that perpetuate the notion that black people, (as individuals), are inadequate. I personally know that that is not true. Black people that have accomplished things in their lives, (millions of them), resent the hell out of it, and I don't blame them.
I agree, it diminishes the value of the hard work of those that did it the right way, rather than based on quotas.

QuoteI've never worked anywhere that didn't hire the most qualified person for a job, regardless of age, sex, race, etc. I suppose they exist, but it's a stupid way to run a business.

I have no doubt that some HR person somewhere, is following the lib quota system, but they are doing it on their own.
Every business wants the very best person for the job, regardless of color or disability, to do otherwise removes the element where an employer looks at the demeanor of a person and whether or not they fit in with those they work with.

Nothing would destroy a business faster than allowing Govt to dictate hiring practices.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 30, 2012, 10:49:34 AM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 10:39:59 AM
Yes, which is why I initially warned him about coming here with a racist chip on his shoulder.
I agree, it diminishes the value of the hard work of those that did it the right way, rather than based on quotas.

I have no doubt that some HR person somewhere, is following the lib quota system, but they are doing it on their own.
Every business wants the very best person for the job, regardless of color or disability, to do otherwise removes the element where an employer looks at the demeanor of a person and whether or not they fit in with those they work with.

Nothing would destroy a business faster than allowing Govt to dictate hiring practices.

Now he's got the PC thread going. :blink:

I'm not scared to talk about race. He should just make his point.

I personally see most of the people on the social welfare system as victims............regardless of color. Not victims of an unjust society though; but victims of the liberal democrat machine that has both put them there, and never plans to let them out of that life.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 10:55:32 AM
Quote from: kramarat on December 30, 2012, 10:49:34 AM
Now he's got the PC thread going. :blink:

I'm not scared to talk about race. He should just make his point.

I personally see most of the people on the social welfare system as victims............regardless of color. Not victims of an unjust society though; but victims of the liberal democrat machine that has both put them there, and never plans to let them out of that life.
I agree. And people that fall into the trap in seeing everything evolving around race, have bought into the Lib movement to make everything about race.
Sheep is all these people are, gullible sheep, it's a distraction created by the left, there is no difference, we are all humans, our actions is what sets us apart, but to wrap one race up in a blanket and make outlandish claims is ridiculous.
Yes, there are differences in races, but mostly it's cultural.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 11:13:12 AM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:26:05 AM
The Costs of Federal Regulations

http://jan.blog.ocregister.com/2010/09/24/federal-rules-cost-u-s-firms-1-75-trillion/45704/ (http://jan.blog.ocregister.com/2010/09/24/federal-rules-cost-u-s-firms-1-75-trillion/45704/)
SJ there is a reason I'm being hard on you, as I noted in an earlier post as follows.
Quote from: Solar on December 29, 2012, 03:04:42 PM
SmilinJack, welcome to the forum.
You need to understand we are not your typical forum, we take discussions very seriously here.
We have become a Go To forum for thousands of people looking for the truth, they want answers without having to weed through lib BS, which is why we keep the reins tight around here, and which is why I questioned your intentions where race is concerned,

So just relax and enjoy yourself.
With that said, it is incumbent upon all of us to post the truth regardless of how it affects our argument.
If people come here and get misleading answers, we'll be no better than Wiki and people will quit returning.
So please, try and be honest and not so emotional, being emotional is a liberal trait, and I know you're not a lib, so don't emulate one.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: supsalemgr on December 30, 2012, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:49:51 PM

Good information but an additional fact to consider is that a lot of the White Working Class voted voted for Obama...especially in the crucial state of Ohio....thus it was not just a matter of the whites who stayed home rather than voted.

We all know there was a segment of the GOP who felt critcizing Obama would be labeled racist by the MSM. I don't disagree with that feeling, but the GOP should have attacked him anyway. Why not point out his ties to "leftists"? Romney and the GOP had plenty of money. Sometimes we are just too damn nice.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 30, 2012, 02:05:01 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:49:51 PM

Good information but an additional fact to consider is that a lot of the White Working Class voted voted for Obama...especially in the crucial state of Ohio....thus it was not just a matter of the whites who stayed home rather than voted.

Ohio is a union state. Please don't lump me in with the white working class union morons. They do what they are told, and they are told to vote democrat.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 02:13:13 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 10:09:45 AM
Are you still trying to build that strawman?
You claim racial quotas, but the words racial and quota do not come up in a word search,.
If there is something specific you want me to read, then freakin post it, I am not in the mood to play games or help you do your homework.

Did you miss it...I posted the link above>>>>>>www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 02:19:56 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 02:13:13 PM
Did you miss it...I posted the link above>>>>>>www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html)
What did I say about doing your damned homework?
If you have something specific you want me to read, then copy and paste the paragraph, I'm not reading an entire article searching for the point you're trying to make, do your own work!
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 02:13:13 PM
Did you miss it...I posted the link above>>>>>>www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html)
OK,yes, I read it earlier and if you don't produce actual law, then I will have no other choice but to conclude you are an Idiot.
What part of fact vs opinion do you not understand? Give me solid facts and lose the BS, or I might start thinking you're in your teens.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 02:35:27 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 02:19:56 PM
What did I say about doing your damned homework?
If you have something specific you want me to read, then copy and paste the paragraph, I'm not reading an entire article searching for the point you're trying to make, do your own work!

Don't like to read eh?  heh heh   Well as is known one can lead a jackass to water but one cannot make him drink.

Irregardless......where you are drawing a blank is the fact you cannot understand how affirmative action is alledged or supposed to work and how it actually works in the real world.

In a nutshell what it comes down to is that in order to avoid being accused of discrimination and or expensive lawsuits based on alleged discrimination in the workplace....business owners are compelled to hire a specified number of minorities to prove they do not discriminate...the usual goal is around l5 percent.

Thus whilst the liberals will tell you there is no quota system....in truth there is.  If you cannot understand that I cannot help you.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 02:47:10 PM
The Feds and Small Business Owners

Anyone who has ever owned a business big or small has to deal with Federal Government Regulations

http://www.allbusiness.com/government/employment-regulations-u-s-equal-employment/11896-1.html#axzz2GZtbv6sW (http://www.allbusiness.com/government/employment-regulations-u-s-equal-employment/11896-1.html#axzz2GZtbv6sW)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 30, 2012, 02:56:50 PM
http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/irregardless.html (http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/irregardless.html)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 02:59:35 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 02:35:27 PM
Don't like to read eh?  heh heh   Well as is known one can lead a jackass to water but one cannot make him drink.

Irregardless......where you are drawing a blank is the fact you cannot understand how affirmative action is alledged or supposed to work and how it actually works in the real world.

In a nutshell what it comes down to is that in order to avoid being accused of discrimination and or expensive lawsuits based on alleged discrimination in the workplace....business owners are compelled to hire a specified number of minorities to prove they do not discriminate...the usual goal is around l5 percent.

Thus whilst the liberals will tell you there is no quota system....in truth there is.  If you cannot understand that I cannot help you.
OK, you are officially an idiot on this forum.

I said back up your claim, and all you've managed to post is opinion pieces from none other than a liberal rag the NY Times.

I will repeat, we are a forum based in truth and facts, you have produced quite the opposite, you have posted emotional opinion pieces. I have booted libs for this same reason.
I stated earlier, we are an well established forum based in truth, your BS does nothing to advance the cause, though it does show one thing, not all who claim the title Conservative, actually rise to the occasion of thinking individual.

One other point, there is no such word as irregardless, it is regardless, your word is redundant to say the least.
Kind of along the lines of calling you a stupid idiot, idiot would suffice.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 30, 2012, 02:56:50 PM
http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/irregardless.html (http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/irregardless.html)
I pointed it out earlier, but I doubt he even knew what I was talking about.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 03:12:48 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 02:59:35 PM
OK, you are officially an idiot on this forum.

I said back up your claim, and all you've managed to post is opinion pieces from none other than a liberal rag the NY Times.

I will repeat, we are a forum based in truth and facts, you have produced quite the opposite, you have posted emotional opinion pieces. I have booted libs for this same reason.
I stated earlier, we are an well established forum based in truth, your BS does nothing to advance the cause, though it does show one thing, not all who claim the title Conservative, actually rise to the occasion of thinking individual.

One other point, there is no such word as irregardless, it is regardless, your word is redundant to say the least.
Kind of along the lines of calling you a stupid idiot, idiot would suffice.

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  You give yourself way toooooo much importance and name calling does not enhance your image.  I am a True Conservative which in your world would probably translate as 'radical' or 'extremist'....remember what Barry Goldwater said about extremism aka  "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice---and modertion in the pursuit of justice is no virtue" or sumptin like dat.

I am often attacked for using the woid....'Irregardless'----- usually though it is by liberals....hmmmmmmmmm

As any veteran of the boards understands...when someone resorts to attempting to be a grammar cop or calling you a bigot or a racist that is a sure sign they are losing an argument....which in most cases is also usually a liberal tactic. 

Irregardless......here is my rationale concerning the woid  "Irregardless"


Not only is "irregardless" a word, but it's probably the best word of all time. Here's why.


"irregardless" is a woid. It is, at least according to Merriam-Webster and Scrabble.

But I'm not going to stop there. No. I would also like to contend that "irregardless" is the baddest-ass word of all time. This is for several reasons, which I will now explain.


1.It's the only word where attaching the "ir-" prefix to the root word has the exact same meaning as the root word: Throwing an "ir-" in front of normal, less bad-ass words that begin with "R" changes the meaning to the opposite of the word. Irrefutable. Irreverent. Irrelevant. Irresponsible. Not "irregardless." It doesn't care what the rules of grammar are. It means exactly the same thing as "regardless," and that's the way it likes it.



2.Against all odds, against all logic, and (ir)regardless of everyone hating it, it has achieved official word status: How can you not pull for the underdog in this case? "Irregardless" went up against the rules of grammar, stick-by-the-book lexicographers, and the fact that it's a completely redundant word. Didn't matter. Whatever didn't kill it made it stronger. It's the hardest-working word in the dictionary, and it should have earned your respect by now.



3.Even though it's a word, Merriam-Webster says you shouldn't use it: Can you name another word in the dictionary that the dictionary says you shouldn't use? Even really bad swear words don't have a dictionary-imposed boycott. That just makes me want to use it more.



4.It simultaneously makes sense and doesn't make sense: You can think of the word in one of two ways: (1) it should mean the opposite of "regardless," or something along the lines of "keeping the facts in regard," or (2) it could mean "regardless of the fact that something is regardless." The latter of the two is like double-super regardless, and it's the meaning I prefer. "Irregardless" really, really doesn't care what the facts are or what you think. It should only be used in extreme circumstances, such as when a course of action is ridiculously counterintuitive. "Irregardless of the fact that you are very thirsty, you should eat this pile of salt." Stuff like that.



5.It practices what it preaches: Irregardless of the rules of grammar, "irregardless" is a word. It's self-reflexive. It's the exception that proves the rule. It talks the talk and walks the walk. Is there another word like that? No, because "irregardless" is bad-ass. It is a text-based Chuck Norris, roundhouse-kicking everything else in the dictionary into submission.



6.If you think about it long enough, it will blow your mind: It's the Mobius Strip of words, but it's also packed with Eminem's aggressively apathetic attitude. It's completely unique, completely confusing, and it couldn't give a rat's ass about any of that. It just is what it is. If you don't like it, don't use it.




Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 30, 2012, 03:15:11 PM
We need to get the screen door fixed...
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 03:16:27 PM
Quote from: Yawn on December 30, 2012, 02:56:50 PM
http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/irregardless.html (http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/irregardless.html)


And you too Brutus?   
You gramma cop badge is in the mail.  heh heh
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 03:17:26 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 30, 2012, 03:15:11 PM
We need to get the screen door fixed...

Just don't let it slam you in the butt on the way out. heh heh
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: supsalemgr on December 30, 2012, 03:17:30 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 02:59:35 PM
OK, you are officially an idiot on this forum.

I said back up your claim, and all you've managed to post is opinion pieces from none other than a liberal rag the NY Times.

I will repeat, we are a forum based in truth and facts, you have produced quite the opposite, you have posted emotional opinion pieces. I have booted libs for this same reason.
I stated earlier, we are an well established forum based in truth, your BS does nothing to advance the cause, though it does show one thing, not all who claim the title Conservative, actually rise to the occasion of thinking individual.

One other point, there is no such word as irregardless, it is regardless, your word is redundant to say the least.
Kind of along the lines of calling you a stupid idiot, idiot would suffice.

Me thinks SJ is on the wrong forum. I would suggest he try this forum.



He will find out what looniness is. If he identifys as a con he will be immediately attacke and disparaged.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 30, 2012, 03:28:49 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:03:36 PM
I pointed it out earlier, but I doubt he even knew what I was talking about.

We have a replacement for Fuddy and that weird Canadian girl "Just the facts maam"
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 03:12:48 PM
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  You give yourself way toooooo much importance and name calling does not enhance your image.  I am a True Conservative which in your world would probably translate as 'radical' or 'extremist'....remember what Barry Goldwater said about extremism aka  "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice---and modertion in the pursuit of justice is no virtue" or sumptin like dat.

I am often attacked for using the woid....'Irregardless'----- usually though it is by liberals....hmmmmmmmmm

As any veteran of the boards understands...when someone resorts to attempting to be a grammar cop or calling you a bigot or a racist that is a sure sign they are losing an argument....which in most cases is also usually a liberal tactic. 

Irregardless......here is my rationale concerning the woid  "Irregardless"


Not only is "irregardless" a word, but it's probably the best word of all time. Here's why.


"irregardless" is a woid. It is, at least according to Merriam-Webster and Scrabble.

But I'm not going to stop there. No. I would also like to contend that "irregardless" is the baddest-ass word of all time. This is for several reasons, which I will now explain.


1.It's the only word where attaching the "ir-" prefix to the root word has the exact same meaning as the root word: Throwing an "ir-" in front of normal, less bad-ass words that begin with "R" changes the meaning to the opposite of the word. Irrefutable. Irreverent. Irrelevant. Irresponsible. Not "irregardless." It doesn't care what the rules of grammar are. It means exactly the same thing as "regardless," and that's the way it likes it.



2.Against all odds, against all logic, and (ir)regardless of everyone hating it, it has achieved official word status: How can you not pull for the underdog in this case? "Irregardless" went up against the rules of grammar, stick-by-the-book lexicographers, and the fact that it's a completely redundant word. Didn't matter. Whatever didn't kill it made it stronger. It's the hardest-working word in the dictionary, and it should have earned your respect by now.



3.Even though it's a word, Merriam-Webster says you shouldn't use it: Can you name another word in the dictionary that the dictionary says you shouldn't use? Even really bad swear words don't have a dictionary-imposed boycott. That just makes me want to use it more.



4.It simultaneously makes sense and doesn't make sense: You can think of the word in one of two ways: (1) it should mean the opposite of "regardless," or something along the lines of "keeping the facts in regard," or (2) it could mean "regardless of the fact that something is regardless." The latter of the two is like double-super regardless, and it's the meaning I prefer. "Irregardless" really, really doesn't care what the facts are or what you think. It should only be used in extreme circumstances, such as when a course of action is ridiculously counterintuitive. "Irregardless of the fact that you are very thirsty, you should eat this pile of salt." Stuff like that.



5.It practices what it preaches: Irregardless of the rules of grammar, "irregardless" is a word. It's self-reflexive. It's the exception that proves the rule. It talks the talk and walks the walk. Is there another word like that? No, because "irregardless" is bad-ass. It is a text-based Chuck Norris, roundhouse-kicking everything else in the dictionary into submission.



6.If you think about it long enough, it will blow your mind: It's the Mobius Strip of words, but it's also packed with Eminem's aggressively apathetic attitude. It's completely unique, completely confusing, and it couldn't give a rat's ass about any of that. It just is what it is. If you don't like it, don't use it.
Well then, you're in good company, Jesse Jackson and Bill Clinton both bastardized the English language using the word to lower the standards we set for our youth.
Just because some ignorant twit merged two words last Century, doesn't legitimize it, even Merriam Webster says not to use it, and other grammar geeks will tell you it makes you look stupid, but you've already cemented that point.

But I see instead of coming up with actual facts to bolster your straw man argument that the Govt is dictating who private industry can hire, you run a rant on a made up word.
And for your info, I have been in business longer than you've been walking, obviously.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 03:31:55 PM
I never back down boys.............so unless you want to keep getting hammered with the truth....you better pull that plug quick.  heh heh.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 03:33:31 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:31:12 PM
Well then, you're in good company, Jesse Jackson and Bill Clinton both bastardized the English language using the word to lower the standards we set for our youth.
Just because some ignorant twit merged two words last Century, doesn't legitimize it, even Merriam Webster says not to use it, and other grammar geeks will tell you it makes you look stupid, but you've already cemented that point.

But I see instead of coming up with actual facts to bolster your straw man argument that the Govt is dictating who private industry can hire, you run a rant on a made up word.
And for your info, I have been in business longer than you've been walking, obviously.

What percentage of your work force is African?
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 03:31:55 PM
I never back down boys.............so unless you want to keep getting hammered with the truth....you better pull that plug quick.  heh heh.
Nope, you won't be so lucky, we keep idiots around for entertainment and to show the left we don't cut corners where Conservatism is concerned.
We eat moderates for lunch and racists for desert.
My, you're a complete meal.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 30, 2012, 03:37:07 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:35:25 PM
Nope, you won't be so lucky, we keep idiots around for entertainment and to show the left we don't cut corners where Conservatism is concerned.
We eat moderates for lunch and racists for desert.
My, you're a complete meal.

I'd be careful. She's a tough one. She inserts "Heh Heh Heh" into her posts to prove how tough  she is.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:40:20 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 30, 2012, 03:37:07 PM
I'd be careful. She's a tough one. She inserts "Heh Heh Heh" into her posts to prove how tough  she is.
I think it's more than a screen door issue, I think we need to toss the libs further away from the front door when were done.
We seem to be attracting something and it seems to be affecting their IQ.
But irregardless.... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 03:42:00 PM
Quote from: kramarat on December 30, 2012, 02:05:01 PM
Ohio is a union state. Please don't lump me in with the white working class union morons. They do what they are told, and they are told to vote democrat.

Well you got a point but most of the White Working Class did vote republican....just not in the huge majority needed. 

Until the Republicans understand that is who they need and what they need....then they will continue to lose.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 30, 2012, 03:42:49 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:40:20 PM
I think it's more than a screen door issue, I think we need to toss the libs further away from the front door when were done.
We seem to be attracting something and it seems to be affecting their IQ.
But irregardless.... :rolleyes:
I'll install a conveyor belt that extends to the freeway...
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:44:55 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 30, 2012, 03:42:49 PM
I'll install a conveyor belt that extends to the freeway...
Which reminds me, we need to refill the mote.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 03:47:17 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:40:20 PM
I think it's more than a screen door issue, I think we need to toss the libs further away from the front door when were done.
We seem to be attracting something and it seems to be affecting their IQ.
But irregardless.... :rolleyes:


heh heh
You remind me of Nelson Rockerfeller..........................

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Video+of+Barry+Goldwater+at+the+cow+palace&mid=99ADF22C49609239059E99ADF22C49609239059E&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1 (http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Video+of+Barry+Goldwater+at+the+cow+palace&mid=99ADF22C49609239059E99ADF22C49609239059E&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 03:47:17 PM

heh heh
You remind me of Nelson Rockerfeller..........................

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Video+of+Barry+Goldwater+at+the+cow+palace&mid=99ADF22C49609239059E99ADF22C49609239059E&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1 (http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Video+of+Barry+Goldwater+at+the+cow+palace&mid=99ADF22C49609239059E99ADF22C49609239059E&view=detail&FORM=VIRE1)
You're beginning to bore me....
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 30, 2012, 03:50:19 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:48:10 PM
You're beginning to bore me....

Who is Nelson Rockerfeller? I know a Nelson Rockefeller :huh:
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 04:01:25 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:48:10 PM
You're beginning to bore me....

There is no hope for any republican who cannot appreciate Barry Goldwater.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Solar on December 30, 2012, 04:15:52 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 04:01:25 PM
There is no hope for any republican who cannot appreciate Barry Goldwater.
Really? Do you seriously think there is one Pub outside the Tea party that appreciates Goldwater?
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 04:30:37 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 04:15:52 PM
Really? Do you seriously think there is one Pub outside the Tea party that appreciates Goldwater?

A clear sign that tooooo many republicans are confused.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 30, 2012, 06:06:28 PM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 04:01:25 PM
There is no hope for any republican who cannot appreciate Barry Goldwater.

Well that is nice.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 30, 2012, 08:29:38 PM
Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 03:44:55 PM
Which reminds me, we need to refill the mote.

I'll gather the goats...
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: walkstall on December 30, 2012, 08:37:07 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 30, 2012, 08:29:38 PM
I'll gather the goats...

Save one for Rick.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 30, 2012, 08:43:46 PM
Quote from: walkstall on December 30, 2012, 08:37:07 PM
Save one for Rick.
:lol:

I don't abuse animals...
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: walkstall on December 30, 2012, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on December 30, 2012, 08:43:46 PM
:lol:

I don't abuse animals...

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Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 30, 2012, 10:02:06 PM
Quote from: walkstall on December 30, 2012, 09:17:24 PM
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Of course that doesn't include morons that act like animals....
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Cryptic Bert on December 30, 2012, 11:18:10 PM
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Classic!
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 31, 2012, 03:41:36 AM
Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 03:42:00 PM
Well you got a point but most of the White Working Class did vote republican....just not in the huge majority needed. 

Until the Republicans understand that is who they need and what they need....then they will continue to lose.

That's a fallacy. I think it's true that many stayed home for whatever reason, but I also believe that the working class that are actually working, are outnumbered. I left out the word "white" intentionally.

While it's true that Obama got most of the black vote; He's got all unions, both inside and outside of government. He got everyone that used to have a job, but is on extended unemployment. He lured in the college kids by talking about free education and loan forgiveness. He scooped up the gays by flipping his position on gay marriage. He picked up a lot of the female vote, by convincing them that republicans would outlaw abortion and birth control. Lets not forget voter fraud; I think we can safely say that a minimum of 500,000-600,000 of Obama votes, were gained through fraud.

The democrats, (including the president), are liars; they have a media that repeats the lies 24/7.

The democrats have destroyed some of our greatest cities, and they keep getting reelected. They are using the same tactic on the rest of the country: As they reap destruction, they create more dependents, make bigger promises to take care of them, and therefore, get more votes.

Your idea is a farce. Romney lost by less than 2 million votes; and you seem to think that if the republican party focuses on the white race, within a certain economic group.....................all of a sudden they will become winners? Good luck with that.

If the republicans want to win elections, they have to expose the democrats as the lying, slimeball, shitbags that they are. Eliminating fraud would b a good start.

Since voter ID laws were called racist; I would suggest that congress write a bill entitled, "The integrity in voting act". It would be a simple one......................anyone caught tampering with votes, gets a mandatory 20 year prison sentence. Barry would either sign it, or expose himself, (and his party), as the human feces that they are.

Everybody likes candy; when it's coming from democrats, it can have a very bad after taste. :scared:

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Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 31, 2012, 05:31:08 AM
Quote from: kramarat on December 31, 2012, 03:41:36 AM
He's got all unions, both inside and outside of government. He got everyone that used to have a job, but is on extended unemployment.

Not true.  40% of union membership give the finger to their "leadership" and vote Republican. ALL people on unemployment who WANT a job knew Obeyme is a job killer.  Not EVERYONE and I doubt it's a majority of those who WANT to work.

College kids have always been liberal.
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: kramarat on December 31, 2012, 06:12:59 AM
Quote from: Yawn on December 31, 2012, 05:31:08 AM
Not true.  40% of union membership give the finger to their "leadership" and vote Republican. ALL people on unemployment who WANT a job knew Obeyme is a job killer.  Not EVERYONE and I doubt it's a majority of those who WANT to work.

College kids have always been liberal.

Not quite.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/labor-unions-deliver-for-obama_n_2089430.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/labor-unions-deliver-for-obama_n_2089430.html)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155138/majority-union-members-favor-obama-third-back-romney.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/155138/majority-union-members-favor-obama-third-back-romney.aspx)

Would you like to dispute the fact that 100s of millions of union dollars went to the Obama campaign?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/10/political-spending-by-unions-far-exceeds-direct-donations/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/10/political-spending-by-unions-far-exceeds-direct-donations/)
Title: Re: Will The Republicans Ever Figure Out Why They Lost?
Post by: Yawn on December 31, 2012, 06:24:44 AM
I'm talking about the union INDIVIDUALS.  40% means they're REACHABLE.  Start informing them that they want to legalize 20 million FOREIGN INVADERS and see if you don't get 60% to 80% turning on their leadership. There are other ways too.

Now, as far as the unemployed, I was "unemployed" for 2 years of the Obeyme administration.  I had good income from Google for one of those years though and some income from them for 6 more months.  I wasn't able to find a real job until about a month ago. I understand my father who grew up in the depression who always told us "kids" how damn lucky we were to have a job.  So not EVERYONE (your words) who lost their job under Obama fel under his spell. There are MILLIONS like me. From what I remember, you were/are under similar circumstances.  SOME of us, KNOW the source of the problem.