Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 06:14:37 AM
As it should be, we should never be forced into quotas, minimum wage is bad enough, but the day the Govt can dictate who an employer can hire or fire, the country just died.
That is the definition of dictatorship.

I never looked into the hows and whys. I couldn't believe my ears when they told me that, though. I had sole responsibility for jobs that ran up to $1 million and over. My ass was on the line daily.

Sorry...I posted the wrong link on quotas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_quota

The abuse of Affirmative Action


http://www.admissionsboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5146

The Costs of Federal Regulations

http://jan.blog.ocregister.com/2010/09/24/federal-rules-cost-u-s-firms-1-75-trillion/45704/

I still say Obama and the Dimocraps cheated!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/12/how_chicago_and_obama_globalized_voter_id_fraud.html

Quote from: kramarat on December 30, 2012, 08:11:27 AM
I never looked into the hows and whys. I couldn't believe my ears when they told me that, though. I had sole responsibility for jobs that ran up to $1 million and over. My ass was on the line daily.

The racial quota system is alive and well.


Any business owner small or big places himself in legal jeopardy if he does not have at least l5% of his total employees as minorities.

If he has over 50 employees and does not use a quota system he could easily be targeted by the NAACP or the feds for racial discrimination.

If he has under 50 employees the NAACP will most likely not bother him...the big bucks are in the big companies....though that is no gurantee he will not be sued for racial discrimination....any individual black that he refuses to hire could sue him for racial discrimination....and sometimes he will get the NAACP with their expensive lawyers to assist him...even if he does not ...there are enough legal sharks out there to make the life of a small business owner hellish....to the point where in most cases they are willing to settle out of court...cheaper than fighting a long legal battle.

That is precisely why most business owners walk a very fine line in regards to racial discrimination...some are over cautious some are under cautious....it just depends on how big of a risk taker they are.

Anyone that denies racial quotas exist simply do not understand how the business world is now forced to operate...................http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html

Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:55:12 AM

The racial quota system is alive and well.


Any business owner small or big places himself in legal jeopardy if he does not have at least l5% of his total employees as minorities.

If he has over 50 employees and does not use a quota system he could easily be targeted by the NAACP or the feds for racial discrimination.

If he has under 50 employees the NAACP will most likely not bother him...the big bucks are in the big companies....though that is no gurantee he will not be sued for racial discrimination....any individual black that he refuses to hire could sue him for racial discrimination....and sometimes he will get the NAACP with their expensive lawyers to assist him...even if he does not ...there are enough legal sharks out there to make the life of a small business owner hellish....to the point where in most cases they are willing to settle out of court...cheaper than fighting a long legal battle.

That is precisely why most business owners walk a very fine line in regards to racial discrimination...some are over cautious some are under cautious....it just depends on how big of a risk taker they are.

Anyone that denies racial quotas exist simply do not understand how the business world is now forced to operate...................http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html

The cost of regulation link is a shocker. It's no wonder that our economy sucks and manufacturing is done overseas.

Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:08:12 AM
Racial Quotas in America>>>>>http://www.ehow.com/about_5163558_government-regulations-small-businesses.html

Are you still trying to build that strawman?
You claim racial quotas, but the words racial and quota do not come up in a word search,.
If there is something specific you want me to read, then freakin post it, I am not in the mood to play games or help you do your homework.

Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:55:12 AM

The racial quota system is alive and well.


Any business owner small or big places himself in legal jeopardy if he does not have at least l5% of his total employees as minorities.

If he has over 50 employees and does not use a quota system he could easily be targeted by the NAACP or the feds for racial discrimination.

If he has under 50 employees the NAACP will most likely not bother him...the big bucks are in the big companies....though that is no gurantee he will not be sued for racial discrimination....any individual black that he refuses to hire could sue him for racial discrimination....and sometimes he will get the NAACP with their expensive lawyers to assist him...even if he does not ...there are enough legal sharks out there to make the life of a small business owner hellish....to the point where in most cases they are willing to settle out of court...cheaper than fighting a long legal battle.

That is precisely why most business owners walk a very fine line in regards to racial discrimination...some are over cautious some are under cautious....it just depends on how big of a risk taker they are.

Anyone that denies racial quotas exist simply do not understand how the business world is now forced to operate...................http://www.nytimes.com/1990/08/01/opinion/l-hiring-quotas-exist-but-employers-won-t-tell-451590.html

Are you going to keep posting BS, or give me an actual law that specifies private industry hiring is governed by Gov regulations?
You started out with the claim that Govt has the ability to force private industry to follow hiring quotas, my response.

Quote from: Solar on December 29, 2012, 05:14:18 PM
Pure BS!
The private sector whether white, green blue black does not fall under affirmative action laws.
What you're describing is Govt employees, which is an entirely different subject.

your response.

Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:37:10 PM
Read and weep>>>>>>>http://eeoguidance.com/eeoguidance/which_eeo_laws_apply.asp

Now either prove me wrong, or concede, private industry is not under any obligation for quotas.

Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 10:09:45 AM
Are you still trying to build that strawman?
You claim racial quotas, but the words racial and quota do not come up in a word search,.
If there is something specific you want me to read, then freakin post it, I am not in the mood to play games or help you do your homework.

He keeps coming back to race, but I don't think that's the problem. I see it as another example of out of control government.

I also see a problem with the likes of people like Jesse Jackson, and organizations like the NAACP, that perpetuate the notion that black people, (as individuals), are inadequate. I personally know that that is not true. Black people that have accomplished things in their lives, (millions of them), resent the hell out of it, and I don't blame them.

I've never worked anywhere that didn't hire the most qualified person for a job, regardless of age, sex, race, etc. I suppose they exist, but it's a stupid way to run a business.

Quote from: kramarat on December 30, 2012, 10:29:38 AM
He keeps coming back to race, but I don't think that's the problem. I see it as another example of out of control government.

Yes, which is why I initially warned him about coming here with a racist chip on his shoulder.

QuoteI also see a problem with the likes of people like Jesse Jackson, and organizations like the NAACP, that perpetuate the notion that black people, (as individuals), are inadequate. I personally know that that is not true. Black people that have accomplished things in their lives, (millions of them), resent the hell out of it, and I don't blame them.

I agree, it diminishes the value of the hard work of those that did it the right way, rather than based on quotas.

QuoteI've never worked anywhere that didn't hire the most qualified person for a job, regardless of age, sex, race, etc. I suppose they exist, but it's a stupid way to run a business.

I have no doubt that some HR person somewhere, is following the lib quota system, but they are doing it on their own.
Every business wants the very best person for the job, regardless of color or disability, to do otherwise removes the element where an employer looks at the demeanor of a person and whether or not they fit in with those they work with.

Nothing would destroy a business faster than allowing Govt to dictate hiring practices.

Quote from: Solar on December 30, 2012, 10:39:59 AM
Yes, which is why I initially warned him about coming here with a racist chip on his shoulder.
I agree, it diminishes the value of the hard work of those that did it the right way, rather than based on quotas.

I have no doubt that some HR person somewhere, is following the lib quota system, but they are doing it on their own.
Every business wants the very best person for the job, regardless of color or disability, to do otherwise removes the element where an employer looks at the demeanor of a person and whether or not they fit in with those they work with.

Nothing would destroy a business faster than allowing Govt to dictate hiring practices.

Now he's got the PC thread going.

I'm not scared to talk about race. He should just make his point.

I personally see most of the people on the social welfare system as victims............regardless of color. Not victims of an unjust society though; but victims of the liberal democrat machine that has both put them there, and never plans to let them out of that life.

Quote from: kramarat on December 30, 2012, 10:49:34 AM
Now he's got the PC thread going.

I'm not scared to talk about race. He should just make his point.

I personally see most of the people on the social welfare system as victims............regardless of color. Not victims of an unjust society though; but victims of the liberal democrat machine that has both put them there, and never plans to let them out of that life.

I agree. And people that fall into the trap in seeing everything evolving around race, have bought into the Lib movement to make everything about race.
Sheep is all these people are, gullible sheep, it's a distraction created by the left, there is no difference, we are all humans, our actions is what sets us apart, but to wrap one race up in a blanket and make outlandish claims is ridiculous.
Yes, there are differences in races, but mostly it's cultural.

Quote from: SmilinJack on December 30, 2012, 08:26:05 AM
The Costs of Federal Regulations

http://jan.blog.ocregister.com/2010/09/24/federal-rules-cost-u-s-firms-1-75-trillion/45704/

SJ there is a reason I'm being hard on you, as I noted in an earlier post as follows.

Quote from: Solar on December 29, 2012, 03:04:42 PM
SmilinJack, welcome to the forum.
You need to understand we are not your typical forum, we take discussions very seriously here.
We have become a Go To forum for thousands of people looking for the truth, they want answers without having to weed through lib BS, which is why we keep the reins tight around here, and which is why I questioned your intentions where race is concerned,

So just relax and enjoy yourself.

With that said, it is incumbent upon all of us to post the truth regardless of how it affects our argument.
If people come here and get misleading answers, we'll be no better than Wiki and people will quit returning.
So please, try and be honest and not so emotional, being emotional is a liberal trait, and I know you're not a lib, so don't emulate one.

Quote from: SmilinJack on December 29, 2012, 05:49:51 PM

Good information but an additional fact to consider is that a lot of the White Working Class voted voted for Obama...especially in the crucial state of Ohio....thus it was not just a matter of the whites who stayed home rather than voted.

We all know there was a segment of the GOP who felt critcizing Obama would be labeled racist by the MSM. I don't disagree with that feeling, but the GOP should have attacked him anyway. Why not point out his ties to "leftists"? Romney and the GOP had plenty of money. Sometimes we are just too damn nice.