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Title: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Reagan on November 07, 2012, 10:51:30 AM
In spite of the economy Obama spanked mittens...he won electectoral college votes more then anyone predicted and he won the popular vote. The Dems picked up at least 2 more Senate seats and they made a small gain in the house.
The question is what will you learn if anything. Already fox news is spinning this in two ways...one romney was not conservative enough or two he ran a bad campaign.
My theory is America finds your flavor of tea a little too bitter.
Not to mention same sex marriage passed in several states...
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Yawn on November 07, 2012, 11:02:48 AM
Tell us what "WE", as Republicans, should now support?  Become Democrat Lite?

WHERE should we stand on the issues.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Reagan on November 07, 2012, 11:59:19 AM
I'm not going to tell YOU anything it's hard for me to get in the head of a republican. After all I believe in science and facts not fantasy.
My question is can your party survive if it doesn't broaden it's base? The Democrats have clearly adapted over the years and seem to be thriving.When you get less then 30% of the Latino vote that's a problem...they are the fastest growing vote in this country. Weather you like that or not.  But lets remember their (dems) growing pain when they lost most of the dixiecrats in the south when they moved away from the same racist policies we see in the teabagger movement.
And I'm making the point that imo teabaggers have harmed the gop as well as the country with their hate for more then half of America.
It's not 47% it's more like 52%. If it was 47% the election results would have been very different.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: valjean on November 07, 2012, 12:59:52 PM
What the Republican party needs to learn is that the attitudes of American society have changed, and for the worse in my opinion. The Democratic party today is all about catering to the desires of whoever will vote for them, they don't have any really doctrines that they stick to as a matter of principle. Their central doctrine is to give to people what they want. Healthcare, food stamps, free contraception, student loans, medicare, medicaid, government housing projects, etc. This is all the Democratic party talks about; their selling point to voters is to simply give them what they want, and what people invariably want is something that requires money, and this money comes from the productive class who can already finance their needs.

I am not opposed to a social safety net, but I am opposed to this idea that people can legitimately keep demanding whatever they want and expect to get it without regard for the rights of the people financing these endeavors or regard for basic American principles.

So hearkening back to my primary point; American society has changed insofar as elections are now won based on who is going to promise the people more entitlements at the expense of the so called "rich" and it would seem in this new American society those who constitute the rich are anyone who has a job and can finance their needs without government assistance.

So with this said, the Republican party isn't going to win presidential elections if they try to imitate the Democrats and become Democrat-lite, still promising things to people but less things than the Democrats; they people will invariably keep choosing the party that promises more.

To combat this, the Republican party needs to be invigorated with the spirit of the message that Ron Paul has been pushing. I don't mean agreeing with everything he says, but just adopting his common sense and consistent positions that provide stark contrast between two visions. One vision in the Democrat party which is about control, and one vision which is about authentic freedom. Republicans should be talking about ending the drug war, reducing our prison population which is a disgrace, non-interventionism around the globe, these are relevant issues that people do care about. But sadly, one of the drawbacks of the GOP, considering it is a big tent with varying opinions, is that this party has been dominated by neoconservative foreign policy ideas for the past decade especially which have absolutely poisoned the nation and those in the middle against the party.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Yawn on November 07, 2012, 01:15:53 PM
Like Rush said, "It's hard to compete with Santa Claus

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Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: veritas4truth on November 07, 2012, 03:00:57 PM
My question is can your party survive if it doesn't broaden it's base?

The President serves the people of the United States and he won their vote by a thin 1.6%. Do you honestly consider 1.6% to be a mandate?

But if Obama decides to rule as if he won by 40% -- as he did in the electoral vote, assuming he wins Florida -- this country is going to be a disaster. I fully expect to see him proceed down this route. I doubt he suddenly changed last night.

After all I believe in science and facts not fantasy.

It's this kind of divisive language, behavior, and arrogance that Obama and company appear to continue to live by as well. It didn't seem to work well over the last 4 years. Do you believe it will now? For a group that seems to pride themselves on being progressively "open-minded", it might appear open-minded, at least until someone disagrees. I now wonder what the definition of "closed-minded" is.

Capitalism is not a great solution... but it just happens to be the best not-great solution on the planet. Unfortunately capitalism only works well in a society that predominately practices the "golden rule" philosophy -- but along the way our society adopted the rule of "greed" instead. Capitalism eventually implodes under this condition. And unfortunately greed knows no political party line or boundaries.

So the understandable result is to turn to socialism which we're now running into and the pace will only increase. The economic condition for nearly all of us will fall. Don't worry about the top-1% -- they'll be fine. Historically socialist nations have never thrived and eventually they implode as well. Look no further than the UK as a living case study in process.

The problem is the human, moral condition. When a nation's ethics become "subjective", the slide begins and then only escalates. The problem didn't start last night, 4 years ago, or 40 years ago. It's been around since time immemorial. But when the oxymoron known as "subjective ethics" becomes pervasive, the line is crossed and as a nation, we've crossed way over.

Good luck, my fellow Americans.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: elmerfudd on November 07, 2012, 03:28:25 PM
Quote from: veritas4truth on November 07, 2012, 03:00:57 PM
My question is can your party survive if it doesn't broaden it's base?

The President serves the people of the United States and he won their vote by a thin 1.6%. Do you honestly consider 1.6% to be a mandate?

But if Obama decides to rule as if he won by 40% -- as he did in the electoral vote, assuming he wins Florida -- this country is going to be a disaster. I fully expect to see him proceed down this route. I doubt he suddenly changed last night.

After all I believe in science and facts not fantasy.

It's this kind of divisive language, behavior, and arrogance that Obama and company appear to continue to live by as well. It didn't seem to work well over the last 4 years. Do you believe it will now? For a group that seems to pride themselves on being progressively "open-minded", it might appear open-minded, at least until someone disagrees. I now wonder what the definition of "closed-minded" is.
Capitalism is not a great solution... but it just happens to be the best not-great solution on the planet. Unfortunately capitalism only works well in a society that predominately practices the "golden rule" philosophy -- but along the way our society adopted the rule of "greed" instead. Capitalism eventually implodes under this condition. And unfortunately greed knows no political party line or boundaries.

So the understandable result is to turn to socialism which we're now running into and the pace will only increase. The economic condition for nearly all of us will fall. Don't worry about the top-1% -- they'll be fine. Historically socialist nations have never thrived and eventually they implode as well. Look no further than the UK as a living case study in process.

The problem is the human, moral condition. When a nation's ethics become "subjective", the slide begins and then only escalates. The problem didn't start last night, 4 years ago, or 40 years ago. It's been around since time immemorial. But when the oxymoron known as "subjective ethics" becomes pervasive, the line is crossed and as a nation, we've crossed way over.

Good luck, my fellow Americans.

Welcome to this forum.  Regarding the paragraph of your post that I enlarged, no group is a better example of divisive language  and arrogance than the far right.  No person is a better example of "party first, America second" thinking than Mitch McConnell.

But you're right about human moral condition.  It fell at the fall and has gotten no better nor worse since. That's why we need laws and checks and balances in government.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: veritas4truth on November 07, 2012, 03:48:23 PM
Thanks for the welcome.

no group is a better example of divisive language  and arrogance than the far right

I am confident you genuinely believe this to be true. This is a massive problem and I think it falls along the line of removing the log from our own eye first before casting judgement... The sad thing to me is that you appear to believe that one party is more arrogant and divisive than the other. I know the conservatives have more than their share of complete and utter trash -- but from your statement you do not appear to believe that this exists equally as much on the left. I really don't mean to come off as rude in the least, but in my opinion this is simply blindness. It's hard to see our blind spots when we don't believe they exist.

That's why we need laws and checks and balances in government.

Certainly we need laws, etc. But laws quite often do not dictate human behavior. If they did we would not have murder, rape, fraud, embezzlement.

Laws without moral code are just speed bumps for people to maneuver around and through.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: elmerfudd on November 07, 2012, 03:56:18 PM
Quote from: veritas4truth on November 07, 2012, 03:48:23 PM
Thanks for the welcome.

no group is a better example of divisive language  and arrogance than the far right

I am confident you genuinely believe this to be true. This is a massive problem and I think it falls along the line of removing the log from our own eye first before casting judgement... The sad thing to me is that you appear to believe that one party is more arrogant and divisive than the other. I know the conservatives have more than their share of complete and utter trash -- but from your statement you do not appear to believe that this exists equally as much on the left. I really don't mean to come off as rude in the least, but in my opinion this is simply blindness. It's hard to see our blind spots when we don't believe they exist.

That's why we need laws and checks and balances in government.

Certainly we need laws, etc. But laws quite often do not dictate human behavior. If they did we would not have murder, rape, fraud, embezzlement.

Laws without moral code are just speed bumps for people to maneuver around and through.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

You're welcome.  From where I sit, the R's DO have more of that than the D's do.  As examples I offer Rushbo, Ann Coulter, and others of that ilk.  I offer Mitch McConnell again.  But there is also Boehner, who, because he is NOT like that, is denounced as a RINO. So yes, I am fairly confident that R's are much more close minded than D's, as a group. 

I heard a guy on the radio saying he watched both conventions.  He said the R convention looked like a Klan rally. The D convention looked more like America looks.  He kind of had a point, too.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 04:01:50 PM
Quote from: veritas4truth on November 07, 2012, 03:48:23 PM
Thanks for the welcome.

no group is a better example of divisive language  and arrogance than the far right

I am confident you genuinely believe this to be true. This is a massive problem and I think it falls along the line of removing the log from our own eye first before casting judgement... The sad thing to me is that you appear to believe that one party is more arrogant and divisive than the other. I know the conservatives have more than their share of complete and utter trash -- but from your statement you do not appear to believe that this exists equally as much on the left. I really don't mean to come off as rude in the least, but in my opinion this is simply blindness. It's hard to see our blind spots when we don't believe they exist.

That's why we need laws and checks and balances in government.

Certainly we need laws, etc. But laws quite often do not dictate human behavior. If they did we would not have murder, rape, fraud, embezzlement.

Laws without moral code are just speed bumps for people to maneuver around and through.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
Oddly enough, he does believe that BS, despite the Dim party's shear existence is based on divisive campaigning.
They need victims for their sole existence, yet fools claim were the divisive party, go figure.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: elmerfudd on November 07, 2012, 04:03:43 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 04:01:50 PM
Oddly enough, he does believe that BS, despite the Dim party's shear existence is based on divisive campaigning.
They need victims for their sole existence, yet fools claim were the divisive party, go figure.

Read your own stuff. Nothing but condescending, arrogant, divisiveness.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 07, 2012, 04:08:32 PM
Quote from: elmerfudd on November 07, 2012, 04:03:43 PMNothing but condescending, arrogant, divisiveness.

But you reelected him anyway..
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 04:15:17 PM
Quote from: elmerfudd on November 07, 2012, 04:03:43 PM
Read your own stuff. Nothing but condescending, arrogant, divisiveness.
Really? I'll give you one example of how the left works.
The Black family, care to guess which party keeps them on the plantation via welfare and housing and other payouts?
They need victims to stay in power, that's a solid Fact!

They've given deviant behavior a voice by lumping them together under the banner of LGBT, a very small percentage of the population, but a voting block nonetheless.

The leftists party is the party of freaks and misfits, though I give them credit for creating a functioning circus, it was no easy feat.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: veritas4truth on November 07, 2012, 04:46:53 PM
He said the R convention looked like a Klan rally

Wow. Very sad statement. I am conservative and myself and my conservative friends do not remotely -- not even in the same universe do we resemble the trash you spew above.

You seem to easily and comfortably eject racist accusations based upon some "guy on the radio" that you heard. This is frightening behavior. I can only hope you are representative of an exceptionally small minority of Americans.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Reagan on November 07, 2012, 05:32:55 PM
Well the bottom line as my post pointed out is America is changing and the republican party is not. It's not about welfare as some guy above thinks. When 60% of women, 70% of Asians and Latinos vote Democrat..republicans have a problem, we really aren't making more old white guys at the same rate. The teabaggers have ruined your party imo.
People on this forum paint the Democratic party as leftwing but in reality the far left is the base but it doesn't run the party and in fact their are moderates like Clinton was imo and blue dog Dems. In other word it's a bigger tent that represents different people.
As far as accusing Dems of being "divisive" are you kidding? Were you not paying attention during the republican debates...they bashed just about everyone except white older males including, women, hispanics, blacks, gays and on and on.
Have you seen a teabagger rally? A bunch of racist angry, older white people on government entitlements (SS) and socialized medicine (medicare).
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 05:38:55 PM
Quote from: Reagan on November 07, 2012, 05:32:55 PM
Well the bottom line as my post pointed out is America is changing and the republican party is not. It's not about welfare as some guy above thinks. When 60% of women, 70% of Asians and Latinos vote Democrat..republicans have a problem, we really aren't making more old white guys at the same rate. The teabaggers have ruined your party imo.
People on this forum paint the Democratic party as leftwing but in reality the far left is the base but it doesn't run the party and in fact their are moderates like Clinton was imo and blue dog Dems. In other word it's a bigger tent that represents different people.
As far as accusing Dems of being "divisive" are you kidding? Were you not paying attention during the republican debates...they bashed just about everyone except white older males including, women, hispanics, blacks, gays and on and on.
Have you seen a teabagger rally? A bunch of racist angry, older white people on government entitlements (SS) and socialized medicine (medicare).
I suggest you control the name calling if you want to continue posting.
Second, back up your claim with solid proof, and I don't mean Mitt's comment about the 47%, I mean where we insult women, hispanics, blacks, gays and on and on.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Reagan on November 07, 2012, 06:38:15 PM
Is this a forum...where people can express their opinion? Your "moderation" said nothing about the guy who directly called me an "idiot" on this forum today. I suggest you "moderate" everyone not just those who have a different opinion then you. And you want "solid proof" that conservatives have insulted women, hispanics, blacks etc....really?? Are you paying any attention..how about the republican primary debates.
Bottom line it doesn't really matter what you think about this issue...in FACT 70% plus Hispanics, Asian, etc voted Democrat and they decided this election.
Earth to fake moderate guy who only moderates the few people on this forum who aren't parroting conservaive media apparently.
And yes I can back up everrything I say...that is if I'm allowed to. I noticed you didn't challenge anyone else who commented...and I have seen many racist comments on this forum and you take issue with "teabagger"?


Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 05:38:55 PM
I suggest you control the name calling if you want to continue posting.
Second, back up your claim with solid proof, and I don't mean Mitt's comment about the 47%, I mean where we insult women, hispanics, blacks, gays and on and on.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Sci Fi Fan on November 07, 2012, 06:42:46 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 05:38:55 PM
I suggest you control the name calling if you want to continue posting.

So is "libtard" an ok term?  How about "fag"?   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:10:50 PM
Quote from: Reagan on November 07, 2012, 06:38:15 PM
Is this a forum...where people can express their opinion? Your "moderation" said nothing about the guy who directly called me an "idiot" on this forum today. I suggest you "moderate" everyone not just those who have a different opinion then you. And you want "solid proof" that conservatives have insulted women, hispanics, blacks etc....really?? Are you paying any attention..how about the republican primary debates.
Bottom line it doesn't really matter what you think about this issue...in FACT 70% plus Hispanics, Asian, etc voted Democrat and they decided this election.
Earth to fake moderate guy who only moderates the few people on this forum who aren't parroting conservaive media apparently.
And yes I can back up everrything I say...that is if I'm allowed to. I noticed you didn't challenge anyone else who commented...and I have seen many racist comments on this forum and you take issue with "teabagger"?
First off you haven't been here long enough to get away with name calling, secondly, I'm a Tea party participant, so I take your insult personally.
And third, you claimed "I mean where we insult women, hispanics, blacks, gays and on and on".
On this forum when you make claims such as that and are challenged to back it up, you better do so or face a time out in the least.
And in conclusion, I own this forum, not just moderate it, you are here as a guest just like everyone else, if you can't follow simple rules of debate, you know where the exit is.

Now back up your crap, I'm waiting!
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 07, 2012, 08:17:52 PM
Quote from: Sci Fi Fan on November 07, 2012, 06:42:46 PM
So is "libtard" an ok term?  How about "fag"?   :rolleyes:
Why? What do you have against gays?
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Rockntractor on November 07, 2012, 08:24:59 PM
I'm kind of curious as to will the Libertarians learn anything, how did throwing your vote down the crapper or sitting home whining work out for you? I say that as a card carrying libertarian who will never again donate one thin dime to the Libertarian party, I will remain Libertarian in most of my ideals but the party can kiss my ass.
All a moot point because this was most likely the last election a conservative or common man will be able to have an effect in.
We passed the last exit yesterday, the best course now is take care of yourself and family and don't let politics obsess you.
the founding fathers built this and we gave it away.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: walkstall on November 07, 2012, 08:53:39 PM
Quote from: Rockntractor on November 07, 2012, 08:24:59 PM
I'm kind of curious as to will the Libertarians learn anything, how did throwing your vote down the crapper or sitting home whining work out for you? I say that as a card carrying libertarian who will never again donate one thin dime to the Libertarian party, I will remain Libertarian in most of my ideals but the party can kiss my ass.
All a moot point because this was most likely the last election a conservative or common man will be able to have an effect in.
We passed the last exit yesterday, the best course now is take care of yourself and family and don't let politics obsess you.
the founding fathers built this and we gave it away.


Lock and load young man, it is going to be a long road ahead for people under 50.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Dr_Watt on November 07, 2012, 09:51:12 PM
Quote from: Rockntractor on November 07, 2012, 08:24:59 PM
I'm kind of curious as to will the Libertarians learn anything, how did throwing your vote down the crapper or sitting home whining work out for you? I say that as a card carrying libertarian who will never again donate one thin dime to the Libertarian party, I will remain Libertarian in most of my ideals but the party can kiss my ass.
All a moot point because this was most likely the last election a conservative or common man will be able to have an effect in.
We passed the last exit yesterday, the best course now is take care of yourself and family and don't let politics obsess you.
the founding fathers built this and we gave it away.


If our founding fathers took that position, we'd still be part of the British Commonwealth.

Just sayin'...

-Dr Watt
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Rockntractor on November 07, 2012, 10:06:56 PM
Quote from: walkstall on November 07, 2012, 08:53:39 PM

Lock and load young man, it is going to be a long road ahead for people under 50.
I'm 53 and it will be long enough at that.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Rockntractor on November 07, 2012, 10:12:57 PM
Quote from: Dr_Watt on November 07, 2012, 09:51:12 PM
If our founding fathers took that position, we'd still be part of the British Commonwealth.

Just sayin'...

-Dr Watt
Don't just quit their, how about Molon labe or cold dead hands or hey whip out a gadsden flag  and I'll just have an orgasm right here. Seriously you have no idea what we have laid on our grandchildren, save your little sound bites for them and they can remember them while they pay the debt we left for them.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: keyboarder on November 08, 2012, 04:43:20 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 07, 2012, 11:02:48 AM
Tell us what "WE", as Republicans, should now support?  Become Democrat Lite?

WHERE should we stand on the issues.

I supported Romney because I think that he knows what America needs.  I don't think he was a strong conservative though.  I do think that he really ought to have studied his opponent more and not have let anyone else do his deciding of what to run out on his platform.  Such as abortion.  He did flip flop on this one.  He should have just countered the accusations of his changing his mind and said, "Oh, I'm just evolving".
Of course there would have been the option of never changing his mind and saying "no" to abortion.  That's what I wanted him to say and I was disappointed in him that, all of a sudden, he was for it in certain instances.  That caused me to doubt my intentions to vote for him.  But, I would never have voted for Obama.  If the Republican Party is going to trot another victim in 2016, they need to start now because by the time that rolls around, they'll be hard pressed to find anyone who'll want the job.  Even with the abortion issue, I think Romney had the best perspective on the economy and jobs, even foreign policy than Obama.  Obama is mostly interested in social "mores".  We are on the slipperiest slope that we've ever been on
and our way just got extremely harder overnight.  This country will not be united ever again under the leadership that forces or mandates everything thru to make it's political statement. 

Conservatives need to be more so and leave no stone unturned in rooting out the corruption that we see in our corner of this world. 
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Yawn on November 08, 2012, 05:00:53 AM
I agree. I won't join the Romney bashing. This was the fault of the People.  I believe there would have been a Renaissance in America exactly as we saw in 1980 if he were put into that office.

The next 4 years will be the beginning of the Dark Age for America as he seals the Socialist grip on American institutions (courts, all government institutions). EVERYTHING bad will go up, and everything good will be on the decline. There are ways to recover, but not unless we can do something with this current brainwashed generation.

Any ideas how we can do that?
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: keyboarder on November 08, 2012, 05:05:03 AM
Quote from: elmerfudd on November 07, 2012, 03:56:18 PM
You're welcome.  From where I sit, the R's DO have more of that than the D's do.  As examples I offer Rushbo, Ann Coulter, and others of that ilk.  I offer Mitch McConnell again.  But there is also Boehner, who, because he is NOT like that, is denounced as a RINO. So yes, I am fairly confident that R's are much more close minded than D's, as a group. 

I heard a guy on the radio saying he watched both conventions.  He said the R convention looked like a Klan rally. The D convention looked more like America looks.  He kind of had a point, too.


Yeah, the DNC really parodied America, as it is.  :angry:
Squabbling over whether or not to invoke the message of Christ at the beginning of the convention to the point of taking a vote-, not once but three times until the moderator decided to let it stand as it always has.  Fundamentally changing America is not what a great deal of us want, yet we feel as if it is being pushed upon us against our better judgement.  Do you not see a problem with every executive decision that Obama makes?   
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Yawn on November 08, 2012, 05:08:17 AM
QuoteHe said the R convention looked like a Klan rally

Explain how rather than taking cheap shops.  This is what's wrong with the non-thinking left. They just don't reason deeply.  They really are emotionally driven.  Emotionally, they're 5 year-olds with the power to vote because of chronological years.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: rocca on November 08, 2012, 05:22:29 AM
QuoteHe said the R convention looked like a Klan rally

A Klan rally with people like Mia Love, Condi Rice, Suzanna Martinez, Nikki Haley, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz as speakers???  :blink:
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Dr_Watt on November 08, 2012, 06:44:52 AM
Quote from: Rockntractor on November 07, 2012, 10:12:57 PM
Don't just quit their, how about Molon labe or cold dead hands or hey whip out a gadsden flag  and I'll just have an orgasm right here. Seriously you have no idea what we have laid on our grandchildren, save your little sound bites for them and they can remember them while they pay the debt we left for them.

I want my grandchildren to know that I did everything possible to lessen, or possibly even eliminate any debt passed down to them.

I don't know about you, but when I was growing up my dad taught me that if I broke something, it was my responsibility to fix it!

-Dr Watt
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Rockntractor on November 08, 2012, 07:04:48 AM
Quote from: Dr_Watt on November 08, 2012, 06:44:52 AM
I want my grandchildren to know that I did everything possible to lessen, or possibly even eliminate any debt passed down to them.

I don't know about you, but when I was growing up my dad taught me that if I broke something, it was my responsibility to fix it!

-Dr Watt
Who did you vote for?
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Solars Toy on November 08, 2012, 07:11:19 AM
Quote from: Rockntractor on November 08, 2012, 07:04:48 AM
Who did you vote for?

Romney because I was not given any other option.  Toy  (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmileys.on-my-web.com%2Frepository%2FConfused%2Fconfused-8.gif&hash=5aeeccbe6bad3ddd3e552cb04edc47be92b4535b)
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Solar on November 08, 2012, 07:28:31 AM
Quote from: Rockntractor on November 08, 2012, 07:04:48 AM
Who did you vote for against?
FIFY...
Hussein...
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Rockntractor on November 08, 2012, 07:42:12 AM
Quote from: Solars Toy on November 08, 2012, 07:11:19 AM
Romney because I was not given any other option.  Toy  (https://conservativepoliticalforum.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmileys.on-my-web.com%2Frepository%2FConfused%2Fconfused-8.gif&hash=5aeeccbe6bad3ddd3e552cb04edc47be92b4535b)
Their really was no other option for a sane thinking man, anything else helped elect the Marxist.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Yawn on November 08, 2012, 08:02:24 AM
Again, there would have been an American Renaissance if he won.  America lost. It's the beginning of a Dark Age as he tightens his grip on power for the Demonrat Party.  EVERYBODY will feel the pain.  At least the stupid will suffer too.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Dr_Watt on November 08, 2012, 08:39:17 AM
Quote from: Rockntractor on November 08, 2012, 07:42:12 AM
Their really was no other option for a sane thinking man, anything else helped elect the Marxist.

Only if you live in a "battleground" state. If, like me, you live in "fly over country" voting for a third party like I did (Gary Johnson), does not "elect" Obama. Despite my vote for Johnson, Romney still got all 6 of Utah's Electoral Votes. It also gives the Republican Establishment a message that they damned well better stop taking my vote for granted!

This "if you don't vote for our guy its is a vote for the other guy" fallacy has been used by both the Democrats and Republican Masters to keep us slaves on the plantation for years.

I don't know about anyone else, but I went to bed on Tuesday night know that I didn't waste my vote voting for the lesser of two evils.

-Dr Watt

Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Rockntractor on November 08, 2012, 09:34:55 AM
Quote from: Dr_Watt on November 08, 2012, 08:39:17 AM
Only if you live in a "battleground" state. If, like me, you live in "fly over country" voting for a third party like I did (Gary Johnson), does not "elect" Obama.

-Dr Watt
I guess I have to give you that.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Dr_Watt on November 08, 2012, 09:49:22 AM
Quote from: Rockntractor on November 08, 2012, 09:34:55 AM
I guess I have to give you that.

Thanks!

If you haven't yet, you might want to check out this video I posted. It is a real eye opener (at least it was for me).

http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/the-tale-of-a-slave/ (http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/political-discussion-and-debate/the-tale-of-a-slave/)

-Dr Watt
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Soconnected on November 08, 2012, 09:49:48 AM
Obama won their vote by a thin 1.6%.  If Romney had won he would have won by the same mandate.

Do you honestly consider 1.6% to be a mandate if Romney had won?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Yawn on November 08, 2012, 09:54:54 AM
Not a "mandate," a WIN.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Dr_Watt on November 08, 2012, 09:55:27 AM
Quote from: Soconnected on November 08, 2012, 09:49:48 AM
Obama won their vote by a thin 1.6%.  If Romney had won he would have won by the same mandate.

Do you honestly consider 1.6% to be a mandate if Romney had won?  :popcorn:

If Romney had won, even by that thin of a margin, it may not have been a mandate for Romney, but like the election of 2010, it would have been a referendum on Obama's Policies.

As it stands, the Democrats would still have the Senate even if Romney had won, so, in reality, the first term of Romney would not look much different than I feel the second term of Obama will be...

Gridlock...

And, that might just be a good thing!

-Dr Watt
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Soconnected on November 08, 2012, 09:58:57 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 08, 2012, 09:54:54 AM
Not a "mandate," a WIN.

In that case it was a  WIN for Obama and Not a "mandate,".
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: elmerfudd on November 08, 2012, 10:37:49 AM
Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:10:50 PM
First off you haven't been here long enough to get away with name calling, secondly, I'm a Tea party participant, so I take your insult personally.
And third, you claimed "I mean where we insult women, hispanics, blacks, gays and on and on".
On this forum when you make claims such as that and are challenged to back it up, you better do so or face a time out in the least.
And in conclusion, I own this forum, not just moderate it, you are here as a guest just like everyone else, if you can't follow simple rules of debate, you know where the exit is.

Now back up your crap, I'm waiting!

You might want to add, just to be completely transparent, that the "rules" are not necessarily evenly enforced.  But, as you stated, it's your forum and you get to run it like you wish.

I just checked the stats again.  71% of the posts, inception to date, are from the top 20 posters.  And I am number 11 in that group.  You're the biggest fish in the pond, but it's a mighty small pond. 
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Travis Bickle on November 08, 2012, 10:49:13 AM
Q:Will Republicans/Conservatives learn anything?

A: The real answer is, Will Democrat/Liberals learn anything?  Seriously! We Republicans already know and understand that "hand-outs" are not the way to grow our country.

I'm so tired of people saying "it's free!" (regardless what it is) nothing, and I repeat.... NOTHING IS FREE!

Are you going to work for free? Hell no you aren't.

Is the guy who fixes your furnace/air conditioning system going to do it for free? Hell no!

Take any situation similar to what I just said and let me know how that works out for you.

Let me say one more thing... tomorrow, go into your bosses' office and tell him you will work for nothing. And, if he says "okay!", let me know how that works out for you after two weeks. I'll be waiting.

:popcorn:
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: keyboarder on November 08, 2012, 10:52:48 AM
Don't speak for me, I like this forum with one exception and that is the trashy language of a few that can't use good terms for what they are thinking.  Funny, these same ones are the biggest complainers of our school sytems :wub:a
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: rightwing on November 08, 2012, 11:03:46 AM
Quote from: elmerfudd on November 07, 2012, 03:56:18 PM
You're welcome.  From where I sit, the R's DO have more of that than the D's do.  As examples I offer Rushbo, Ann Coulter, and others of that ilk.  I offer Mitch McConnell again.  But there is also Boehner, who, because he is NOT like that, is denounced as a RINO. So yes, I am fairly confident that R's are much more close minded than D's, as a group. 

I heard a guy on the radio saying he watched both conventions.  He said the R convention looked like a Klan rally. The D convention looked more like America looks.  He kind of had a point, too.

Really?  We need to count those who did not have pure white skin?  And here I thought we were supposed to be unconcerned with a person's skin color.  This argument is so old and tired.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: elmerfudd on November 08, 2012, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: Yawn on November 08, 2012, 05:00:53 AM
I agree. I won't join the Romney bashing. This was the fault of the People.  I believe there would have been a Renaissance in America exactly as we saw in 1980 if he were put into that office.The next 4 years will be the beginning of the Dark Age for America as he seals the Socialist grip on American institutions (courts, all government institutions). EVERYTHING bad will go up, and everything good will be on the decline. There are ways to recover, but not unless we can do something with this current brainwashed generation.

Any ideas how we can do that?

So easy to say. Impossible to back up.  But here's another thing that occurred between 1980 land 1988, the reign of St. Ronald.  The national debt, in inflation adjusted dollars, doubled.  I am providing no link, but you didn't provide one for your renaissance claim, either.  Here's the data, which can be checked:

National debt 1980 - $935 billion (8.3% of GNP)
National debt 1988 - $2.7 trillion (13.1% of GNP)

In inflation adjusted dollars, using 2003 as 100, national debt went from $2 trillion to $4 trillion.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Solar on November 08, 2012, 11:46:25 AM
Quote from: elmerfudd on November 08, 2012, 10:37:49 AM
You might want to add, just to be completely transparent, that the "rules" are not necessarily evenly enforced.  But, as you stated, it's your forum and you get to run it like you wish.
Did you notice the name of the forum?
You seem to be under the illusion I give a damn what a lib thinks, or rather feels.
Quote
I just checked the stats again.  71% of the posts, inception to date, are from the top 20 posters.  And I am number 11 in that group.  You're the biggest fish in the pond, but it's a mighty small pond.
Your wear your jealousy like a dirty pair of underwear for all to see.
The fact that a majority of people hold the posts count is irrelevant,  the only number that counts is the page views, which happen to be nearly half billion at the moment, this number is extremely telling, so much so, that google ranks us in the top 1% of searches.
This number also translates into profit if and when I decide to do so, around a couple of grand a month.
But I think what irritates you the most is the fact that I don't need the money.

If you had even the slightest inkling of statistics/economics, you'd never have opened your mouth and proved my point.

In summary, jealous arrogant ignorant lib.....
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Cryptic Bert on November 08, 2012, 12:20:57 PM
Quote from: elmerfudd on November 08, 2012, 10:37:49 AM
You might want to add, just to be completely transparent, that the "rules" are not necessarily evenly enforced.  But, as you stated, it's your forum and you get to run it like you wish.

I just checked the stats again.  71% of the posts, inception to date, are from the top 20 posters.  And I am number 11 in that group.  You're the biggest fish in the pond, but it's a mighty small pond.

Start a forum and see how long before it dies like 99 percent of the forums out there.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Solar on November 08, 2012, 12:22:54 PM
Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 08, 2012, 12:20:57 PM
Start a forum and see how long before it dies like 99 percent of the forums out there.
LOL!!!
And if it's a lib forum, it will follow Error America. :laugh:
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Skeptic on November 08, 2012, 12:57:47 PM
You guys still haven't learned the lesson:

Social values are a losing proposition. Until the Republican Party goes back to what it used to be before the alliance with evangelicals, we will keep losing elections. We need to return to the days when being a Republican simply meant fiscally conservative. We went wrong when we courted the evangelicals and said"Being a Republican is now fiscal conservatism plus anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-immigration, anti-this that and the other,"

Barry Goldwater warned the GOP that if we allied ourselves with the evangelicals and abandoned the GOP platform of fiscal conservatism in favor of social conservatism, this day would arrive. And here we are. That's why we lost. People are no longer afraid that if they stand next to a gay guy they will "catch the gay." The younger generation is not attracted to people like Santorum who are anti-gay, anti-condoms, anti-pornography, etc., while being fiscal liberals.

Romney was doomed because he had to go so far right in social ideas to win the nomination, that when he went back to the moderate that he is, Obama was simply able to point to this and say "Oh look, a flip flopper." Yet Rush Limbaugh was on the radio today saying that Romney was just too liberal, that we somehow needed Santorum and his ilk.  Folks, Santorum would have lost far worse than Romney. If the GOP pushes on us some extremist social con in 2016, and don't learn the lessons from 2012, we will lose even worse in 4 years.

People like fiscal responsibility more than you think, but they are repelled by all the social views that come with the Republican label these days. Go back to being the party of fiscal responsibility, and ditch the evangelical stuff. If we want smaller government, why would we want the government legislating morality to us? Being a social con is anti-small government.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Rockntractor on November 08, 2012, 02:49:26 PM
Quote from: Skeptic on November 08, 2012, 12:57:47 PM
anti-immigration,
The republican party is not nor has it ever been nor will it ever be anti immigration, this is bullshit dishonesty on your part and you can produce no evidence to prove it so. we are a nation of laws and to say we are anti immigration because we expect you to obey the laws of the land when you immigrate is crap. would you let me just walk into your house and remove anything I like without  getting permission or paying you for anything? What are you, anti-commerce or something?
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Yawn on November 08, 2012, 02:51:43 PM
To them, anti-ILLEGAL immigration is "anti-immigration.

We do need to greatly restrict immigration to allow the millions to assimilate as AMERICANS and not colonizers
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: hfishjr81 on November 08, 2012, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 04:15:17 PM
The Black family, care to guess which party keeps them on the plantation via welfare and housing and other payouts?
They need victims to stay in power, that's a solid Fact!

No, they need the "center right" to stay in power. That's what you said the "majority of the country" is, anyway.  LOL!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:






Quote from: Reagan on November 07, 2012, 10:51:30 AM
My theory is America finds your flavor of tea a little too bitter.
Not to mention same sex marriage passed in several states...


The Republican party will have to realize that this country is broke do to greedy corporations and bought politicians, and the people have means to educate themselves via the net on these facts.  So, basically, the angry, broke, and educated people will not allow Repubs their usual "tax break for the rich" stance, or their "Women get paid less" type leanings, among other things. 
The sore loser party of fear mongering will never be back on top again if they don't revamp their mind set, as well as the mindset of their base. The people, well,  the people capable of rational thought, will not support the typical old bigoted doctrines ever again, and that, IMO , is a big step forward for our recovering nation.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Reagan on November 09, 2012, 11:26:21 AM
A guy on this very forum (probably a teabagger) said and I quote "I hope that Obama and Biden both take a bullet in the head" and your calling me out for using "teabagger" a very common abrieviation to describe your party. You have a lot of gall. And hoping that the POTUS gets assasinated is offensive and feeds into many people's view that the far right is made up of extremists.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/08/opinion/marshall-gop/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/08/opinion/marshall-gop/index.html)

There are many well documented instances of teaparty racism and general ignorance regarding well scientifically accepted priciples including global warming and disrespect to the President. Remember Michelle Bachman's statement about vaccinating children against dangerous diseases? "Legitimate rape"? I would be happy to provide many direct instance to prove this but if you haven't figured it out yet well.... Imo the teaparty is an embarrasment to America and the repulican party and imo cost the gop an easily winnable election and one they should have won, historically speaking.
Most Americans see the teaparty in a negative light....fact.
So tea party away and watch the house slip away. The only way these fake "patriots" win any elections is because of gerrymandering, it's very hard to vote them out in places like Alabama.
Honestly, I'm not trying to insult anyone...I'm just calling it like I see it. If freedom of speech is not allowed on this forum then so be it but I wont change the way I speak.
Nothing in your post contradicts my points..just threats and no subsatance. Is that all you got?


Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:10:50 PM
First off you haven't been here long enough to get away with name calling, secondly, I'm a Tea party participant, so I take your insult personally.
And third, you claimed "I mean where we insult women, hispanics, blacks, gays and on and on".
On this forum when you make claims such as that and are challenged to back it up, you better do so or face a time out in the least.
And in conclusion, I own this forum, not just moderate it, you are here as a guest just like everyone else, if you can't follow simple rules of debate, you know where the exit is.

Now back up your crap, I'm waiting!
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Reagan on November 09, 2012, 12:00:49 PM

Here's a guy who's on to something. Look for more leaders and intelligent republicans to come to these consclusions. Look for teapartiers to stick their head in the sand and double down on dumb.

I dont think the republican party is finished by any means, I do think they have to rebuild thier image, more into a fiscally conservative party, law and order, strong military etc and other traditional republican values. That's their stregnth not older dumbass men talking about abortion.
This letting right wing teabagger nuts control the message is not working out very well is it.
Moderate voters and believe it or not many liberals will vote republican again if the gop distances itself from the religious nuts, teabaggers, white supremists etc. Remember many Dems and even progressives prefer conservative economic policies even if they are liberal with social policies..these are two very different things.
Think Reagan who was a fiscal conservative (or at least talked like one) but who legalized abortion while governor of CA.





Quote from: Skeptic on November 08, 2012, 12:57:47 PM
You guys still haven't learned the lesson:

Social values are a losing proposition. Until the Republican Party goes back to what it used to be before the alliance with evangelicals, we will keep losing elections. We need to return to the days when being a Republican simply meant fiscally conservative. We went wrong when we courted the evangelicals and said"Being a Republican is now fiscal conservatism plus anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-immigration, anti-this that and the other,"

Barry Goldwater warned the GOP that if we allied ourselves with the evangelicals and abandoned the GOP platform of fiscal conservatism in favor of social conservatism, this day would arrive. And here we are. That's why we lost. People are no longer afraid that if they stand next to a gay guy they will "catch the gay." The younger generation is not attracted to people like Santorum who are anti-gay, anti-condoms, anti-pornography, etc., while being fiscal liberals.

Romney was doomed because he had to go so far right in social ideas to win the nomination, that when he went back to the moderate that he is, Obama was simply able to point to this and say "Oh look, a flip flopper." Yet Rush Limbaugh was on the radio today saying that Romney was just too liberal, that we somehow needed Santorum and his ilk.  Folks, Santorum would have lost far worse than Romney. If the GOP pushes on us some extremist social con in 2016, and don't learn the lessons from 2012, we will lose even worse in 4 years.

People like fiscal responsibility more than you think, but they are repelled by all the social views that come with the Republican label these days. Go back to being the party of fiscal responsibility, and ditch the evangelical stuff. If we want smaller government, why would we want the government legislating morality to us? Being a social con is anti-small government.
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: Solar on November 09, 2012, 12:10:42 PM
You were warned, later!
Title: Re: Will Republicans Learn Anything??
Post by: BILLY Defiant on November 09, 2012, 01:47:25 PM
Quote from: Reagan on November 07, 2012, 10:51:30 AM
In spite of the economy Obama spanked mittens...he won electectoral college votes more then anyone predicted and he won the popular vote. The Dems picked up at least 2 more Senate seats and they made a small gain in the house.
The question is what will you learn if anything. Already fox news is spinning this in two ways...one romney was not conservative enough or two he ran a bad campaign.
My theory is America finds your flavor of tea a little too bitter.
Not to mention same sex marriage passed in several states...


Well personally speaking I learned the American people who voted  the Marxist menace another 4 years are even more stupid than I thought.

Billy