Will Republicans Learn Anything??

Started by Reagan, November 07, 2012, 10:51:30 AM

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Don't speak for me, I like this forum with one exception and that is the trashy language of a few that can't use good terms for what they are thinking.  Funny, these same ones are the biggest complainers of our school sytems :wub:a
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Quote from: elmerfudd on November 07, 2012, 03:56:18 PM
You're welcome.  From where I sit, the R's DO have more of that than the D's do.  As examples I offer Rushbo, Ann Coulter, and others of that ilk.  I offer Mitch McConnell again.  But there is also Boehner, who, because he is NOT like that, is denounced as a RINO. So yes, I am fairly confident that R's are much more close minded than D's, as a group. 

I heard a guy on the radio saying he watched both conventions.  He said the R convention looked like a Klan rally. The D convention looked more like America looks.  He kind of had a point, too.

Really?  We need to count those who did not have pure white skin?  And here I thought we were supposed to be unconcerned with a person's skin color.  This argument is so old and tired.

elmerfudd

Quote from: Yawn on November 08, 2012, 05:00:53 AM
I agree. I won't join the Romney bashing. This was the fault of the People.  I believe there would have been a Renaissance in America exactly as we saw in 1980 if he were put into that office.The next 4 years will be the beginning of the Dark Age for America as he seals the Socialist grip on American institutions (courts, all government institutions). EVERYTHING bad will go up, and everything good will be on the decline. There are ways to recover, but not unless we can do something with this current brainwashed generation.

Any ideas how we can do that?

So easy to say. Impossible to back up.  But here's another thing that occurred between 1980 land 1988, the reign of St. Ronald.  The national debt, in inflation adjusted dollars, doubled.  I am providing no link, but you didn't provide one for your renaissance claim, either.  Here's the data, which can be checked:

National debt 1980 - $935 billion (8.3% of GNP)
National debt 1988 - $2.7 trillion (13.1% of GNP)

In inflation adjusted dollars, using 2003 as 100, national debt went from $2 trillion to $4 trillion.

Solar

Quote from: elmerfudd on November 08, 2012, 10:37:49 AM
You might want to add, just to be completely transparent, that the "rules" are not necessarily evenly enforced.  But, as you stated, it's your forum and you get to run it like you wish.
Did you notice the name of the forum?
You seem to be under the illusion I give a damn what a lib thinks, or rather feels.
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I just checked the stats again.  71% of the posts, inception to date, are from the top 20 posters.  And I am number 11 in that group.  You're the biggest fish in the pond, but it's a mighty small pond.
Your wear your jealousy like a dirty pair of underwear for all to see.
The fact that a majority of people hold the posts count is irrelevant,  the only number that counts is the page views, which happen to be nearly half billion at the moment, this number is extremely telling, so much so, that google ranks us in the top 1% of searches.
This number also translates into profit if and when I decide to do so, around a couple of grand a month.
But I think what irritates you the most is the fact that I don't need the money.

If you had even the slightest inkling of statistics/economics, you'd never have opened your mouth and proved my point.

In summary, jealous arrogant ignorant lib.....
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Quote from: elmerfudd on November 08, 2012, 10:37:49 AM
You might want to add, just to be completely transparent, that the "rules" are not necessarily evenly enforced.  But, as you stated, it's your forum and you get to run it like you wish.

I just checked the stats again.  71% of the posts, inception to date, are from the top 20 posters.  And I am number 11 in that group.  You're the biggest fish in the pond, but it's a mighty small pond.

Start a forum and see how long before it dies like 99 percent of the forums out there.

Solar

Quote from: The Boo Man... on November 08, 2012, 12:20:57 PM
Start a forum and see how long before it dies like 99 percent of the forums out there.
LOL!!!
And if it's a lib forum, it will follow Error America. :laugh:
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You guys still haven't learned the lesson:

Social values are a losing proposition. Until the Republican Party goes back to what it used to be before the alliance with evangelicals, we will keep losing elections. We need to return to the days when being a Republican simply meant fiscally conservative. We went wrong when we courted the evangelicals and said"Being a Republican is now fiscal conservatism plus anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-immigration, anti-this that and the other,"

Barry Goldwater warned the GOP that if we allied ourselves with the evangelicals and abandoned the GOP platform of fiscal conservatism in favor of social conservatism, this day would arrive. And here we are. That's why we lost. People are no longer afraid that if they stand next to a gay guy they will "catch the gay." The younger generation is not attracted to people like Santorum who are anti-gay, anti-condoms, anti-pornography, etc., while being fiscal liberals.

Romney was doomed because he had to go so far right in social ideas to win the nomination, that when he went back to the moderate that he is, Obama was simply able to point to this and say "Oh look, a flip flopper." Yet Rush Limbaugh was on the radio today saying that Romney was just too liberal, that we somehow needed Santorum and his ilk.  Folks, Santorum would have lost far worse than Romney. If the GOP pushes on us some extremist social con in 2016, and don't learn the lessons from 2012, we will lose even worse in 4 years.

People like fiscal responsibility more than you think, but they are repelled by all the social views that come with the Republican label these days. Go back to being the party of fiscal responsibility, and ditch the evangelical stuff. If we want smaller government, why would we want the government legislating morality to us? Being a social con is anti-small government.
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Quote from: Skeptic on November 08, 2012, 12:57:47 PM
anti-immigration,
The republican party is not nor has it ever been nor will it ever be anti immigration, this is bullshit dishonesty on your part and you can produce no evidence to prove it so. we are a nation of laws and to say we are anti immigration because we expect you to obey the laws of the land when you immigrate is crap. would you let me just walk into your house and remove anything I like without  getting permission or paying you for anything? What are you, anti-commerce or something?

Yawn

To them, anti-ILLEGAL immigration is "anti-immigration.

We do need to greatly restrict immigration to allow the millions to assimilate as AMERICANS and not colonizers

hfishjr81

Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 04:15:17 PM
The Black family, care to guess which party keeps them on the plantation via welfare and housing and other payouts?
They need victims to stay in power, that's a solid Fact!

No, they need the "center right" to stay in power. That's what you said the "majority of the country" is, anyway.  LOL!
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Quote from: Reagan on November 07, 2012, 10:51:30 AM
My theory is America finds your flavor of tea a little too bitter.
Not to mention same sex marriage passed in several states...


The Republican party will have to realize that this country is broke do to greedy corporations and bought politicians, and the people have means to educate themselves via the net on these facts.  So, basically, the angry, broke, and educated people will not allow Repubs their usual "tax break for the rich" stance, or their "Women get paid less" type leanings, among other things. 
The sore loser party of fear mongering will never be back on top again if they don't revamp their mind set, as well as the mindset of their base. The people, well,  the people capable of rational thought, will not support the typical old bigoted doctrines ever again, and that, IMO , is a big step forward for our recovering nation.   :thumbsup:
"According to Gallup, 68 percent of Americans want corporations to have less influence in America."

Reagan

A guy on this very forum (probably a teabagger) said and I quote "I hope that Obama and Biden both take a bullet in the head" and your calling me out for using "teabagger" a very common abrieviation to describe your party. You have a lot of gall. And hoping that the POTUS gets assasinated is offensive and feeds into many people's view that the far right is made up of extremists.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/08/opinion/marshall-gop/index.html

There are many well documented instances of teaparty racism and general ignorance regarding well scientifically accepted priciples including global warming and disrespect to the President. Remember Michelle Bachman's statement about vaccinating children against dangerous diseases? "Legitimate rape"? I would be happy to provide many direct instance to prove this but if you haven't figured it out yet well.... Imo the teaparty is an embarrasment to America and the repulican party and imo cost the gop an easily winnable election and one they should have won, historically speaking.
Most Americans see the teaparty in a negative light....fact.
So tea party away and watch the house slip away. The only way these fake "patriots" win any elections is because of gerrymandering, it's very hard to vote them out in places like Alabama.
Honestly, I'm not trying to insult anyone...I'm just calling it like I see it. If freedom of speech is not allowed on this forum then so be it but I wont change the way I speak.
Nothing in your post contradicts my points..just threats and no subsatance. Is that all you got?


Quote from: Solar on November 07, 2012, 08:10:50 PM
First off you haven't been here long enough to get away with name calling, secondly, I'm a Tea party participant, so I take your insult personally.
And third, you claimed "I mean where we insult women, hispanics, blacks, gays and on and on".
On this forum when you make claims such as that and are challenged to back it up, you better do so or face a time out in the least.
And in conclusion, I own this forum, not just moderate it, you are here as a guest just like everyone else, if you can't follow simple rules of debate, you know where the exit is.

Now back up your crap, I'm waiting!

Reagan


Here's a guy who's on to something. Look for more leaders and intelligent republicans to come to these consclusions. Look for teapartiers to stick their head in the sand and double down on dumb.

I dont think the republican party is finished by any means, I do think they have to rebuild thier image, more into a fiscally conservative party, law and order, strong military etc and other traditional republican values. That's their stregnth not older dumbass men talking about abortion.
This letting right wing teabagger nuts control the message is not working out very well is it.
Moderate voters and believe it or not many liberals will vote republican again if the gop distances itself from the religious nuts, teabaggers, white supremists etc. Remember many Dems and even progressives prefer conservative economic policies even if they are liberal with social policies..these are two very different things.
Think Reagan who was a fiscal conservative (or at least talked like one) but who legalized abortion while governor of CA.





Quote from: Skeptic on November 08, 2012, 12:57:47 PM
You guys still haven't learned the lesson:

Social values are a losing proposition. Until the Republican Party goes back to what it used to be before the alliance with evangelicals, we will keep losing elections. We need to return to the days when being a Republican simply meant fiscally conservative. We went wrong when we courted the evangelicals and said"Being a Republican is now fiscal conservatism plus anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-immigration, anti-this that and the other,"

Barry Goldwater warned the GOP that if we allied ourselves with the evangelicals and abandoned the GOP platform of fiscal conservatism in favor of social conservatism, this day would arrive. And here we are. That's why we lost. People are no longer afraid that if they stand next to a gay guy they will "catch the gay." The younger generation is not attracted to people like Santorum who are anti-gay, anti-condoms, anti-pornography, etc., while being fiscal liberals.

Romney was doomed because he had to go so far right in social ideas to win the nomination, that when he went back to the moderate that he is, Obama was simply able to point to this and say "Oh look, a flip flopper." Yet Rush Limbaugh was on the radio today saying that Romney was just too liberal, that we somehow needed Santorum and his ilk.  Folks, Santorum would have lost far worse than Romney. If the GOP pushes on us some extremist social con in 2016, and don't learn the lessons from 2012, we will lose even worse in 4 years.

People like fiscal responsibility more than you think, but they are repelled by all the social views that come with the Republican label these days. Go back to being the party of fiscal responsibility, and ditch the evangelical stuff. If we want smaller government, why would we want the government legislating morality to us? Being a social con is anti-small government.

Solar

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Quote from: Reagan on November 07, 2012, 10:51:30 AM
In spite of the economy Obama spanked mittens...he won electectoral college votes more then anyone predicted and he won the popular vote. The Dems picked up at least 2 more Senate seats and they made a small gain in the house.
The question is what will you learn if anything. Already fox news is spinning this in two ways...one romney was not conservative enough or two he ran a bad campaign.
My theory is America finds your flavor of tea a little too bitter.
Not to mention same sex marriage passed in several states...


Well personally speaking I learned the American people who voted  the Marxist menace another 4 years are even more stupid than I thought.

Billy
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