Will blacks vote for Hillary over Ben Carson?

Started by quiller, October 11, 2014, 11:48:33 PM

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Black commentator James Klingman, and the fanciful match-up of dynamic Ben Carson against Hillary Clinton....

QuoteI know you political junkies are on the edge of your seats now that Dr. Ben Carson has said he will likely run for president. I have been waiting to see what Black folks will do when President Obama leaves office. Well, we are about to find out now, aren't we? Can you imagine a race between Carson and Hillary? Black voters won't know whether they are pitching or catching if that happens. I can't wait!

What will the commentators say? What will the current political insiders talk about? If the prospect of having the "first" Black President was great in 2008, I would think the prospect of having the "second" will be just as fantastic, right? "Not so fast," some of you are saying.

"Carson is Black, but he is a staunch conservative; we can't vote for him." That would be the hue and cry from so-called liberal Black folks. On the other hand, to vote for a white woman over a Black man, for some Black voters would also be a big dilemma.

The possibilities are endless with this one, folks. To which candidate do you think Black people would give the majority of their votes? Can you envision Obama supporters, who thought it was so important to elect a Black person to the highest office in the world, saying in 2015-2016 that it's a bad idea this time around? The debates will be very interesting. All of a sudden politics is getting my attention. I am stocking up on popcorn now.

http://michigancitizen.com/opinion-black-political-dilemma/


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I can envision the GOP saying precisely the same thing, though not precisely those same words. Obama failed and we can't bear another disaster. (Add your own doublespeak, it all boils down to Nothing Changes for the GOP.)

Mountainshield

I think liberal black people will vote Democrat and call Ben Carson a race traitor, Conservative and non-ideological black people will vote for Ben Carson even though most of them voted for Obama out of race last elections. Whats more interesting is if Libertarians will vote third party or if Conservatives will boycott the election, though if the nominee is Ben Carson it would light a fire in the TEA party. As for the Libertarians I think they would rather vote third party so they can claim no responsibility.

Hector

I can't imagine there are enough black conservatives to win him the primary right? Seems a Carson vs Hillary matchup would be impossible unless Carson runs as a third party, which I wouldn't imagine he would. Nothing wrong with Carsom but I can't imagine many people voting him over Cruz, Paul, or Jeb even.

Mountainshield

Quote from: Hector on October 12, 2014, 12:56:54 AM
I can't imagine there are enough black conservatives to win him the primary right? Seems a Carson vs Hillary matchup would be impossible unless Carson runs as a third party, which I wouldn't imagine he would. Nothing wrong with Carsom but I can't imagine many people voting him over Cruz, Paul, or Jeb even.

Why? Conservatives loves Ben Carson, especially the TEA party.

Bronx

Quote from: Hector on October 12, 2014, 12:56:54 AM
I can't imagine there are enough black conservatives to win him the primary right? Seems a Carson vs Hillary matchup would be impossible unless Carson runs as a third party, which I wouldn't imagine he would. Nothing wrong with Carsom but I can't imagine many people voting him over Cruz, Paul, or Jeb even.

You mean like Herman Cain.
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Solar

Quote from: Mountainshield on October 12, 2014, 01:55:41 AM
Why? Conservatives loves Ben Carson, especially the TEA party.
Don't let the hype fool ya, Carson is nowhere near Conservative TEA, if anything, he's closer to a Bush RINO.
Hector is correct, a Cruz/... fill in the blank ticket, would trounce any RINO.
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Quote from: Solar on October 12, 2014, 05:09:46 AM
Don't let the hype fool ya, Carson is nowhere near Conservative TEA, if anything, he's closer to a Bush RINO.
Hector is correct, a Cruz/... fill in the blank ticket, would trounce any RINO.

There ARE Tea Party groups that are actively supporting him.  I don't agree with them, but there are lots.

We must be careful not to provoke a "Rats patootie" reaction over "subsets" of Americans  though  :lol:

Solar

Quote from: carlb on October 12, 2014, 06:07:21 AM
There ARE Tea Party groups that are actively supporting him.  I don't agree with them, but there are lots.

We must be careful not to provoke a "Rats patootie" reaction over "subsets" of Americans  though  :lol:
That's the only problem with TEA, it's easy for one group to claim title, even Marxist libs, if they can distort the message of TEA, they will.
If there truly are groups claiming TEA status and supporting Carson, they were created by the RINO Establishment, I guarantee it.
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Quote from: Deuce 1/2 on October 12, 2014, 08:09:16 AM
They will vote for anyone who promises to give you something for nothing...Hillary is that candidate...Ben Carson believes in working for what you have....

Yep. Unfortunately, it's hard to beat 'Santa Claus'.

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suzziY

Quote from: Bronx on October 12, 2014, 04:14:12 AM
You mean like Herman Cain.

Herman Cain claimed to be TEA; however, if you deciphered what he proposed in his 9-9-9 tax plan, it included "empowerment zones" which would give huge tax breaks to people who lived and worked in those areas which in essence was pretty much a tax break to minorities.  Sorry, but I see that as quite racist and would have been very detrimental to the country.

I haven't actually listened to Carson or read any of his proposals, but I don't see blacks leaning to the right just because of his skin color.  Cain offered to give them huge tax breaks and that wasn't enough ... I think that the majority are looking for someone who can continue LBJ's "Great Society" way of life for them.
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Quote from: suzziY on October 12, 2014, 08:37:22 AM
Herman Cain claimed to be TEA; however, if you deciphered what he proposed in his 9-9-9 tax plan, it included "empowerment zones" which would give huge tax breaks to people who lived and worked in those areas which in essence was pretty much a tax break to minorities.  Sorry, but I see that as quite racist and would have been very detrimental to the country.

I haven't actually listened to Carson or read any of his proposals, but I don't see blacks leaning to the right just because of his skin color.  Cain offered to give them huge tax breaks and that wasn't enough ... I think that the majority are looking for someone who can continue LBJ's "Great Society" way of life for them.

Well, for the Second Amendment, Carson appears to initially have been for gun control before he wasn't, at least for the cities. A natural position that a potential politician would take as his views....."evolve".(sarc)  :rolleyes:

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/28/reversal-i-am-a-very-strong-believer-in-the-second-amendment-says-ben-carson/

Solar

Quote from: MACMan on October 12, 2014, 09:23:50 AM
Well, for the Second Amendment, Carson appears to initially have been for gun control before he wasn't, at least for the cities. A natural position that a potential politician would take as his views....."evolve".(sarc)  :rolleyes:

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/28/reversal-i-am-a-very-strong-believer-in-the-second-amendment-says-ben-carson/
Carson's problem is, he has no real core Conservative beliefs, what we're seeing is a moderate trying to figure out how to pander to the base, and not look too stupid in the process.

No, I do not believe Carson is even moderately Conservative, though I don't believe him to be liberal, either.
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AndyJackson

It would be hilarious if the guy ran on a platform of "first credible capable black president".

I'd volunteer to be part of that.

Solar

Quote from: Deuce 1/2 on October 12, 2014, 09:49:21 AM

I agree 100% with what you said........ :thumbsup:
I see him as nothing more than a RINO shill designed to water down the vote in hopes of splitting us up during the primaries in 2016, just like 2012 and prior, leaving the electorate with no other option than to vote RINO
The RINO have been playing this power game far longer than Conservatives, it's not in our nature to deceive as it is in leftists..

Did I mention I hate Liberals....In both party's? :biggrin:

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Quote from: Deuce 1/2 on October 12, 2014, 09:57:03 AM
I like Alan West...but he isn't electable
Why do we assume that a great American like West is unelectable  ?

Because we know that the media, DNC, Hollywood, et al will do a massive hit-job on him, and nobody on our side will respond to it, or do the same to their candidate  ?

Sadly, that's probably true.  But it doesn't have to just be assumed / excpected.  It could be different.