Quote from: Mountainshield on August 13, 2015, 09:47:04 AM
Lets see, Iran get 150 billion dollars unfrozen and sanctions removed. We get empty promises.

Yepp, sure sounds like a liberal/progressive deal, peace in our time indeed.

Someone once said; "Peace is a noble goal, but peace just for the sake of peace often leads to compromise with those who commit atrocity.". Yeah, very apt.
Meanwhile, speaking of unintended consequences, when Barry officially declared his alliance with Iran in 2013, Saudia Arabia jumped on Russia and Chinas bandwagon of upsetting the USDs position as the official reserve currency. So thanks buddy, we will either get a collapsed currency, or a dirty nuke lit off at the NYC ground zero site, or maybe both. 

Quote from: kit saginaw on August 26, 2015, 08:35:18 AM
As to why 'they' support it.....  $$$ of course

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259895/traitor-senators-took-money-iran-lobby-back-iran-daniel-greenfield

The real victory had come long before when two of their biggest politicians, Joe Biden and John Kerry, had moved into prime positions in the administration. Not only IAPAC, but key Iran Lobby figures had been major donors to both men.

That list includes Housang Amirahmadi, the founder of the American Iranian Council, who had spoken of a campaign to "conquer Obama's heart and mind" and had described himself as "the Iranian lobby in the United States." It includes the Iranian Muslim Association of North America (IMAN) board members who had fundraised for Biden.

Great find, kit!  This should be all over the news programs but I haven't heard a word about it.   

Almost 200 Retired Generals, Admirals Tell Congress: Stop the Iran Deal

Nearly 200 retired U.S. military generals and admirals sent a letter to Congressional leaders Wednesday, asking them to vote down the Iran nuclear deal. According to The Washington Post, which obtained a copy of the letter, many of the signees have worked in the White House going back three decades.
http://www.newsmax.com/#ixzz3jyAiXfFQ 

Quote from: redbeard on August 26, 2015, 05:10:43 PM
Almost 200 Retired Generals, Admirals Tell Congress: Stop the Iran Deal

Nearly 200 retired U.S. military generals and admirals sent a letter to Congressional leaders Wednesday, asking them to vote down the Iran nuclear deal. According to The Washington Post, which obtained a copy of the letter, many of the signees have worked in the White House going back three decades.
http://www.newsmax.com/#ixzz3jyAiXfFQ 

My system blocked some pop-up's at that site.

Quote from: walkstall on August 26, 2015, 05:16:32 PM
My system blocked some pop-up's at that site.

newsmax is a safe site. I've been going there since 1999

I've heard two main reason from idiots like Kerry, Bernie Sanders and a host of other insane Letftists, here goes;

If we don't honor the agreement, it will mean economoc disaster for the US

If we don;t honor the agreement it will start a war.

Seriously, these fools really think were that stupid?

Lets prevent a war by giving your mortal enemy NUCLEAR WEPONS.....

These people are certifibily insane.

Quote from: redbeard on August 26, 2015, 05:42:32 PM
newsmax is a safe site. I've been going there since 1999

I am sure it is safe, just saying my system blocked pop-up's from that site. 

Quote from: redbeard on August 26, 2015, 05:10:43 PM
Almost 200 Retired Generals, Admirals Tell Congress: Stop the Iran Deal

Nearly 200 retired U.S. military generals and admirals sent a letter to Congressional leaders Wednesday, asking them to vote down the Iran nuclear deal. According to The Washington Post, which obtained a copy of the letter, many of the signees have worked in the White House going back three decades.
http://www.newsmax.com/#ixzz3jyAiXfFQ 

I dont know how many retired general and flag officers are out there but Im willing to bet thats more than half. Polls show that the citizenry are generally opposed to the treaty. The majority R majority in Congress should stand with us on this, but I cant take anything from them for granted these days. Obama, Kerry, and the UN want this treaty badly. If that doesnt spell DANGER! I dont know what does.

Reminds me of Chamberlain...Hitler will get Austria, but stay out of Paris...

Isn't it about time, that the leftists in this nation, who claim to be patriots themselves (mwhahahaha) learn that appeasement, is historically shown to do only one thing. Embolden those being appeased.

Quote from: walkstall on August 26, 2015, 05:50:31 PM
I am sure it is safe, just saying my system blocked pop-up's from that site.

Advertising. They're not malicious.

I don't know what to believe in. If Iran is obliged to reduce uranian stockpiles and centrifuges and all their ways would be really blocked, then why do the most of the opposers cry so loud? Afraid of Iranian side cheating this deal somehow?

Quote from: Blacky on August 28, 2015, 04:48:35 AM
I don't know what to believe in. If Iran is obliged to reduce uranian stockpiles and centrifuges and all their ways would be really blocked, then why do the most of the opposers cry so loud? Afraid of Iranian side cheating this deal somehow?

Iran is our sworn enemy.  What's not to trust??   

The "Deal" has Iran inspecting itself!!  How reliable is that?

Obama is counting on people like you being stupid enough to believe him.

Quote from: Blacky on August 28, 2015, 04:48:35 AM
I don't know what to believe in. If Iran is obliged to reduce uranian stockpiles and centrifuges and all their ways would be really blocked, then why do the most of the opposers cry so loud? Afraid of Iranian side cheating this deal somehow?

The treaty does not impose any real obligations of any kind, going so far as to allow Iran to inspect itself with no outside oversight. This treaty for all intents and purposes empowers Iran to become an atomic state. On top of that, the US will fund it, and by the terms of the agreement is obligated to defend Iran should someone like say Israel attempt to strike Iranian nuclear facilities. Russia is already delivering tons of small arms, missile defense systems, and ships in anticipation of a healthy payday. China is lined up to do the same with all manner of tech support. Theyve been buying gas and oil from Iran for a few years now as part of their attempt to push the USD out of the petrodollar. Which by the way, when Obama began pledging his support for Tehran in 2013, Saudia Arabia also began working on ways to dislodge the USD as the reserve currency.
Centered around this appeal to Iran is a slurry of circumstance that is building up to compromise both US security and its economy, not to mention guarantee the atomic death of Israel. In the not too distant future, Iran will have serviceable ICBM technology courtesy of Russia/China. At the very best, this treaty ushers in a new cold war set against the worst alliance of authoritarian regimes assembled since the Axis powers.   

Quote from: Blacky on August 28, 2015, 04:48:35 AM
I don't know what to believe in. If Iran is obliged to reduce uranian stockpiles and centrifuges and all their ways would be really blocked, then why do the most of the opposers cry so loud? Afraid of Iranian side cheating this deal somehow?

Here let me fill you in then.

Under the deal Iran agrees to submit to Iaea inspections (the same organization that told Bush that Saddam was materially non-compliant with the cease fire agreement he signed, the same organization that allowed North Korea to get the bomb, yeah them. BUT that's not the worst part, under the deal Iran has about a month, to forestall the inspections, and has to be given half a month prior warning the inspection is going to happen.

As if we're all so dumb we don't know that Iran could and would (as N. Korea did) cheat.

Lastly though, Iran signed and ratified the NNPT. Under the language in that treaty, Iran foreswore ever even attempting to get it's hands on nuclear technology. Let alone nuclear weaponry. So why should the U.S. now, reward the criminal regime in Tehran. That also just happens to be one of, if not THE foremost state sponsor of radical moozlim terrorism, for going back on it's word? By doing that, Iran has already told us, that it's a regime of liars, particularly where the global community of nations is concerned.

So why is it again that the U.S. taxpayer should reward that regime with bils of money?

Quote from: Billy's bayonet on August 26, 2015, 05:50:08 PM
I've heard two main reason from idiots like Kerry, Bernie Sanders and a host of other insane Letftists, here goes;

If we don't honor the agreement, it will mean economoc disaster for the US

If we don;t honor the agreement it will start a war.

Seriously, these fools really think were that stupid?

Lets prevent a war by giving your mortal enemy NUCLEAR WEPONS.....

These people are certifibily insane.

On that I agree billy. Maybe someone in the V.A. should be changing Obama and Kerry's address to Cuckoo lane?