Why profiling is the way to go

Started by tbone0106, November 27, 2010, 01:25:45 AM

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BILLY Defiant

Quote from: tbone0106 on November 27, 2010, 09:43:41 PM
Lotsa good points, Mr. Bonney!

I guess what bothers me is that knee-jerk rejection of even considering obvious criteria such as race/ethnicity and origin and sex and age, especially when we know that every single bastard who has tried to blow up or hijack an airplane in the last 35 years has been a young male Arab Muslim.

Profiling is part of smart policing. And though it may not be trendy or politically correct, it is NOT illegal, even if it's racial profiling.

I posted this idiot's picture precisely to illustrate how stupid it is to be strip-searching little kids and grannies. Common sense -- an uncommon thing these days -- is all that's required to instantly, and SAFELY, permit 95+ percent of travelers to pass security checkpoints with the very minimum of inspection.

You are correct about a lot of things but here is the problem when it comes to stopping Grannies and little kids.

first, the laws in this country (supported by the Constitution) says that everybody is equal, you and I know that is BS, coz minorities have more rights than you or I do and you or I will get hammered for something that some rich liberal will skate away on...look at O.J.

But in theory, and in practise everybody is equal. That means everybody gets treated the same.

So if we don't search some granma from Iowa and stop Granny Akaba wearing the full Prudah of a Yemeni matron who just might be carrying something lethal for her granson Akmed who is just behind her in line, you can bet that CAIR will jump down TSA throats so fast their heads will swim. These special interest groups put all sorts of pressure on us with the political BS. The law is such that we allow this crap over the years, now it is a factor...thank the liberals.

This is part of the strategy of using the enemies strengths (and weaknesses' ) against them. The bad guys use our laws against us to their advantage.

Also, if you exempt Old ladies and little kids, guess who the scumbags will use to smuggle their nasties aboard? What do they do in their country? Wire up kids with explosives and send them in as human bombs right?

What this country has to do is stop these people from coming in the US completely, review the ones who are already here and revoke their visas etc and send them back. Monitor the hell out of those who are here and cannot be sent back. This somalian POS is a prime example.


Billy
Evil operates best when it is disguised for what it truly is.

tbone0106

More good points, Mr. Bonney! You're on a roll.  :D

If we exempt old ladies and little kids, the bad guys might start using old ladies and little kids to smuggle bombs onto airplanes. But my point is, they haven't done that, not once in thirty-five years.

But by NOT exempting old ladies and little kids and other groups that are essentially zero-risk, we get the clusterfluster we have now at the airports -- and we hand the terrorists daily victories of time, money and frustration expended for... nothing. And it all costs the terrorists... nothing.

Winning against the terrorists requires one simple thing. We have to find ways to make their acts so unspeakably costly to them that they will never contemplate those acts again. I don't think strip-searching Granny and Li'l Petie is going to get that done.

AmericanFlyer

DEADLY FORCE.  No civil trials.  No country club treatment at Gitmo.  Find them, kill them, sent them back to Afghanistan, strap parachutes to their dead carcasses, and drop them over terrorist camps and strongholds.

These animals only know and live by a code of violence.  They need to receive a strong dose of their own medicine.

walkstall

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on November 29, 2010, 09:39:50 AM
DEADLY FORCE.  No civil trials.  No country club treatment at Gitmo.  Find them, kill them, sent them back to Afghanistan, strap parachutes to their dead carcasses, and drop them over terrorist camps and strongholds.These animals only know and live by a code of violence.  They need to receive a strong dose of their own medicine.

Only after dipping them in pig fat. 
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

walkstall

I think everyone Profiles sometime in life, in one way or the other.  As a father with two girls I did my share, it comes with the territory.   
A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation.- James Freeman Clarke

Always remember "Feelings Aren't Facts."

BILLY Defiant

The other thing you need is COMPETANT people in charge of security.
They hire the politcally correct who have no clue what they are doing and often have a chip on their shoulder.

The first person you got to get rid of is Janet (not Reno) Napolitano
she is a total incompetant and unsuited for the job...what the hell does she know about security?


Billy
Evil operates best when it is disguised for what it truly is.

AmericanFlyer

Billy, the proverbial "elephant in the room" is the fact that police use profiling ALL THE TIME after a crime has been committed.  It's called CRIMINAL profiling.  It's not racial profiling.  It's not gender profiling.  It's not religious profiling.

If the TSA used the term "CRIMINAL profiling", then the TSA could quit hassling old people in wheelchairs and 3-year-old kids without hearing too much crap from the race warlords and religous zealots.

tbone0106

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on November 29, 2010, 05:51:16 PM
Billy, the proverbial "elephant in the room" is the fact that police use profiling ALL THE TIME after a crime has been committed.  It's called CRIMINAL profiling.  It's not racial profiling.  It's not gender profiling.  It's not religious profiling.

If the TSA used the term "CRIMINAL profiling", then the TSA could quit hassling old people in wheelchairs and 3-year-old kids without hearing too much crap from the race warlords and religous zealots.

AF, as usual, I agree. You have what I think is the correct viewpoint, and one that should disconnect profiling from PC altogether.

But in today's world, it doesn't, especially when it comes to the federal government!

Perhaps the Great Mistake is trying to be all things for all people. What government devised by men can do that?

BILLY Defiant

Quote from: AmericanFlyer on November 29, 2010, 05:51:16 PM
Billy, the proverbial "elephant in the room" is the fact that police use profiling ALL THE TIME after a crime has been committed.  It's called CRIMINAL profiling.  It's not racial profiling.  It's not gender profiling.  It's not religious profiling.

If the TSA used the term "CRIMINAL profiling", then the TSA could quit hassling old people in wheelchairs and 3-year-old kids without hearing too much crap from the race warlords and religous zealots.


As I stated previously, "profiling" is a buzz word. It is something made up by the defense. What does exist, and what you are talking about is knowledge, training, experience used to recognize when criminal activiety is afoot. And the police use that every day....such things are facts and circumstances which are the basis for probable cause.

Now two things about probable cause, one is that it can only be determined by a REASONABLE AND PRUDENT man, second, it is not limited to the knowledge etc of a layman but the person with applicable skills. In other words a street cop who has seen hundreds of drug dealers sees these guys flashing hand signs that correspond with the amount and type of drugs a potential buyer (a stone junkie) is seeking.

A regular person would NOT know what such signs or signals (fingers position, hand manuever) were. Yet to a cop, that is probable cause somebody is 'ordering up' so watch this guy long enough and you will see the pass. That gives you the right to stop, arrest,search.

Now along comes the defense attorney and he knows you got them dead to rights, so he throws up a big cloud and says some stupid crap about "profiling" inner city black youths and the Jury eats it up. Yeah racial profiling.

You have to have reasonable people working at this type of thing, obviously, you do not since most of this crap is unreasonable.

While they are wasting time looking at gramaws undies the bad guy is slipping by you.


Billy
Evil operates best when it is disguised for what it truly is.

AmericanFlyer

Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on November 29, 2010, 09:04:55 PM
..........While they are wasting time looking at gramaws undies the bad guy is slipping by you.
Billy

And as I stated in a different thread, while the TSA "grab and grope" area is backed up with 200-300 irate travelers, "Abdul" wades into the crowd with his bomb vest and..........we know what happens next.

Whether it's 250 dead on a plane, or 250 dead at the terminal...............it's still 250 dead.

AmericanFlyer

Quote from: tbone0106 on November 29, 2010, 08:48:54 PM
Perhaps the Great Mistake is trying to be all things for all people. What government devised by men can do that?

Isn't "being all things to all people" the foundation of the liberal/progressive/marxist definition of government?

Of course, those of us with functioning brains know that this belief runs completely counter to what the founding fathers had in mind, and to the words contained in the U.S. Constitution.


tbone0106

Billy, you go boy. I could not agree with you more! It is a sad fact that our "powers that be" don't have a scintilla of your insight into what "profiling" is and should be.

surfer_squirrel

It's hard to profile someone who comes across the border from Mexico. The federal (Obama administration) government believes that they are all hard working people who are just coming here to earn a living doing jobs that no American would do.

This was reported in 2005:

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As Investors Business Daily reported in March 2005:

"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."

Since 2005, the problem has only gotten worse. How much worse, it's hard to determine since our government seems to be inclined to obstruct reporting the real statistics, especially when the government is controlled by progressive/liberal/marxist/socialists. It's hard to profile those coming across a border that has no security. It is even harder to determine how the incarcerated illegals entered our country. All we know for sure is there is a huge financial cost for "prosecuting and housing" these unwelcome "guests".

The one thing we know for sure, the southern border is wide open for terrorists and others intent on doing harm to America. This is where our focus should be.

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BILLY Defiant

Quote from: surfer_squirrel on November 30, 2010, 07:16:50 AM
It's hard to profile someone who comes across the border from Mexico. The federal (Obama administration) government believes that they are all hard working people who are just coming here to earn a living doing jobs that no American would do.

This was reported in 2005:

Source:
Since 2005, the problem has only gotten worse. How much worse, it's hard to determine since our government seems to be inclined to obstruct reporting the real statistics, especially when the government is controlled by progressive/liberal/marxist/socialists. It's hard to profile those coming across a border that has no security. It is even harder to determine how the incarcerated illegals entered our country. All we know for sure is there is a huge financial cost for "prosecuting and housing" these unwelcome "guests".

The one thing we know for sure, the southern border is wide open for terrorists and others intent on doing harm to America. This is where our focus should be.

Coming across the border in most instances is illegal, even those who "legally" enter the US do so illegally, either with forged work cards or borrow someone elses, so the "profiling" nonsense doesn't apply...everyone is committing a crime, search incident to arrest.


Billy
Evil operates best when it is disguised for what it truly is.

tbone0106

Quote from: BILLY-bONNEY on November 30, 2010, 03:30:32 PM
Coming across the border in most instances is illegal, even those who "legally" enter the US do so illegally, either with forged work cards or borrow someone elses, so the "profiling" nonsense doesn't apply...everyone is committing a crime, search incident to arrest.


Billy

Oh, I think that profiling is very much the way to go. If we're looking for illegals in the US, we're looking primarily for Latinos. We don't have a problem with Swedes or Australians or Ethiopians or Italians crossing our borders in the hundreds of thousands every month. The argument is the same as for airport security, where we ought to be looking for young male Arabic Muslims. Duh.