Author Topic: Why do they always put Libertarianism on the top and Conservative to the right of the center?  (Read 1235 times)

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Rand Paul  .... sigh.   Why do they always put Libertarianism on the top and Conservative to the right of the center?
Really need to redue this thing like an IQ test, Conservatives on top, Liberals on the bottom, Libertarians on the left & RINOs on the right,

... sigh, as the years tread on, so does Rand Paul, sounding more and more like his father *and* a Washington insider.


I've always taken issue with the graph too. I believe this to be most representative of the political spectrum, with one exception, anarchism.
Anarchism belongs on the extreme left, communism requires anarchism for it to be welcomed as a soothing power, though it usually comes to power under the guise of Nationalism.
So pretend anarchism is on the left and this graph makes total sense, especially when one considers our own founding, it was not born out of riot nor carnage, rather those who sought free trade, security, and piece amongst districts.


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Gee.... from the way Rand Paul runs a campaign as a Libertarian-conservative, but after it's over, becomes a free-wheeling, lawless, anything-goes-liberal, why should anyone trust this guy?
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I would modify the diagram as follows:

Swap Libertarian with Conservative,
and make the whole thing a circle,
with Communist and Anarchist at the bottom.

Anarchy means there's no government to prevent criminals from abusing everyone else.
The only difference between Anarchy and Communism is,
under Communism, the government IS the criminal abusing everyone else!
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
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I would modify the diagram as follows:

Swap Libertarian with Conservative,
and make the whole thing a circle,
with Communist and Anarchist at the bottom.

Anarchy means there's no government to prevent criminals from abusing everyone else.
The only difference between Anarchy and Communism is,
under Communism, the government IS the criminal abusing everyone else!
NO, Libertarian is closer to anarchist, Conservatives believe in extremely limited govt, Libertarian's border on none at all, literally next to none which is the end of the list, and no, the circle is not what happens in real life, where destruction is concerned, there is no way it will be directly connected to a working society which is why anarchism is directly connected to communism, history proves this to be true.

I find that too often, people see true Libertarianism as a form of Utopia, nothing could be further from the truth, in fact, it is society that dictates behavior, laws are merely a reminder to most as to right and wrong, but when no law exists, you'll always  have people demanding their special right to whatever, stepping all over what constitutes a working society.
Anarchism is the absence of law, Libertarians don't like societal rules, meaning the first thing that happens, is a demand for a stronger govt with stricter laws to quell a collapsing society.

If one were to query 100 Libertarians, they would find that not one person would agree on laws governing society, or what constitutes a functioning govt.
As I've pointed out many times, San Fran used to be the epitome of a Libertarian society, where looking the other way when societal rules were violated, under the idea that "'it's another's personal Liberties being exercised."

Look at it today, where riding butt ass naked on public transportation is a Right, shaming those that reject such behavior will not be tolerated, but outlawing guns leads to peace?

Fact is, laws like the Bill of Rights do more to collar govt than any form of Libertarianism, while our Founding documents were about as close to perfect as any society could hope to achieve, the Libertarian wants even less govt, as if that were even possible.
SF now represents dictatorial powers over people because they went from near anarchism after Libertarian rule or lack thereof.
Yeah, Libertarian Utopia works sooo well, doesn't it?

Society decides what works best regarding laws based on millennia of successes and failures, it recognizes uncontrolled drug use as destructive to society, while Libertarians want to ignore history in this area.
Society functions because of law not for lack of law.
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Spin this off for a new thread - it's a subject worthy of indepth discussion (again).
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Spin this off for a new thread - it's a subject worthy of indepth discussion (again).
Maybe Walks will break it off for us. My browser doesn't allow me the things he's able to do.
Amazing isn't it, I own the forum and he has more control than me. :lol:
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Maybe Walks will break it off for us. My browser doesn't allow me the things he's able to do.
Amazing isn't it, I own the forum and he has more control than me. :lol:

Change browsers.  :lol:

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Change browsers.  :lol:
I use 5 actually, and Chrome is the only one with the most functionality and add ons.
I believe it's some sort of network issue in my OS that interferes, and as long as I have Walks, I see no reason to break my pooter in hopes of claiming a bit more functionality.
He does a fine job, even faster than me at times.
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I use 5 actually, and Chrome is the only one with the most functionality and add ons.
I believe it's some sort of network issue in my OS that interferes, and as long as I have Walks, I see no reason to break my pooter in hopes of claiming a bit more functionality.
He does a fine job, even faster than me at times.

I've known you all too long to get mean here, but we're all getting older. Joke all we want, the inevitable question is: what happens if....? For example: if Taxed drops dead, can you PROVE You own this forum? If *I* drop dead, who criticizes the obvious? THINK, man! Learn your PC!

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I've known you all too long to get mean here, but we're all getting older. Joke all we want, the inevitable question is: what happens if....? For example: if Taxed drops dead, can you PROVE You own this forum? If *I* drop dead, who criticizes the obvious? THINK, man! Learn your PC!

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To be honest, I used to love tinkering, perfecting the actions of my PC, that is, until I hit that God Damned deer on my Harley and took a serious shot to the head, removing all of my fillings in the process and resulting in memory loss for at least a year, and don't ask what I forgot, as so many do, like asking a blind man "Why don't you drive"?

My days of genius slowly came to a halt in the following years, Hell, I find myself puzzled at my own electrical and construction work I did decades ago on my own home, and this brings a stark reminder that I'm no longer as sharp as I used to be.
But where one ends, another begins, so my interests changed as did my intellect, maybe even for the better, as does an old man taking interest in watching his garden grow.
I know I lost about 20% of my mental function (Yet I can still outwit any lib with both brains tied behind my back), and that really sucked, because I used to have a truly quick wit, that shit no longer exists. Or maybe I never had it, I can't seem to remember. :laugh:
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Maybe Walks will break it off for us. My browser doesn't allow me the things he's able to do.
Amazing isn't it, I own the forum and he has more control than me. :lol:

At what Reply # would you like the split started?
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Solar's rely, #10 would work.   It might be interesting to discuss these charts, maybe come up with a sensible one.
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At what Reply # would you like the split started?
Yeah, #10 is good.
Thanks Walks. Let's hear a round for Walks. :thumbsup:
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Yeah, #10 is good.
Thanks Walks. Let's hear a round for Walks. :thumbsup:
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Ever see these political spectrum charts?   I look at these things, and find myself not landing anywhere.   Here's a couple.


another one


and another


one with individuals (as an example)


Historical ...?


Horseshoe?


I hate these things.   They don't apply to me, my family and assumes you can't believe one thing, and still belong to another, similar thing.
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