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Why Dims Are Marxist
« on: April 03, 2017, 08:08:50 AM »
Instead of debating the obvious, lets cut to the chase and look at where the dim party is headed.

There is soo many to choose from, so I thought I'd just pick one from the first page of a search since they all have about the same information.

Socialism’s true origin, intent and purpose

Few Britons today are aware of the existence of the Fabian Society and even fewer are familiar with its ideology, aims, influence and power. As its own documents show, the Society has always aimed to establish a Socialist regime controlled by itself.

Contrary to current political mythology (or disinformation) which has it that Socialism was a working-class movement, the fact is that it originated with the liberal capitalist middle classes where the Fabian Society was at home.

The leading elements of liberal capitalism – the big businessmen, industrialists and bankers – who had amassed great wealth on the back of the industrial revolution, aimed to strengthen their position of power and influence by two means: (1) by monopolising finance, economy and politics; and (2) by controlling the growing urban working class.

While the monopolisation of finance, economy and politics could only be achieved by the centralisation of capital, means of production, etc., the working class could only be controlled through organisation and promises of a larger share in resources. These measures formed the core of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels’ Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848). Both authors were middle class and Engels, Marx’s financial supporter, was a wealthy textile industrialist.
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Re: Why Dims QAre Marxist
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2017, 08:22:30 AM »
Instead of debating the obvious, lets cut to the chase and look at where the dim party is headed.

There is soo many to choose from, so I thought I'd just pick one from the first page of a search since they all have about the same information.

Socialism’s true origin, intent and purpose

Few Britons today are aware of the existence of the Fabian Society and even fewer are familiar with its ideology, aims, influence and power. As its own documents show, the Society has always aimed to establish a Socialist regime controlled by itself.

Contrary to current political mythology (or disinformation) which has it that Socialism was a working-class movement, the fact is that it originated with the liberal capitalist middle classes where the Fabian Society was at home.

The leading elements of liberal capitalism – the big businessmen, industrialists and bankers – who had amassed great wealth on the back of the industrial revolution, aimed to strengthen their position of power and influence by two means: (1) by monopolising finance, economy and politics; and (2) by controlling the growing urban working class.

While the monopolisation of finance, economy and politics could only be achieved by the centralisation of capital, means of production, etc., the working class could only be controlled through organisation and promises of a larger share in resources. These measures formed the core of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels’ Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848). Both authors were middle class and Engels, Marx’s financial supporter, was a wealthy textile industrialist.
https://fabiansociety.wordpress.com

I will pretend this article isn't a pile of garbage and I will pretend that only an impressionable ten year old would draw the conclusions you do from it.  I will also note you have failed to define how commun, marxism and socialism are different.  This failure now twenty times over.

But if we accept this article is valid and proving what you claim it does(it does not), all it proves is that republicans are far more Marxist(in your false sense of the world) then democrats.

Also, calling them dims, is probably the lamest attempt at wit I have ever seen. 

There already is world government.  It is called the IMF.  It does have absolute control over much of the world's populace.  It is designed to benefit the rich and control the poor and middle class.

If you want to call that Marxism, I'll go along, but its simply absurd to use that term.  If we can get over the term, and agree that the IMF is harmful, we might get somewhere. 

I will note, the IMF has some similarities to Soviet Russia, but then again, it has a lot of similarities to the traditional capitalist west.  Both countries, have and will always have, an elite group that controls the poor.  This was after all the biggest debate at the constitutional convention.

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Re: Why Dims QAre Marxist
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2017, 08:26:31 AM »
I will pretend this article isn't a pile of garbage and I will pretend that only an impressionable ten year old would draw the conclusions you do from it.  I will also note you have failed to define how commun, marxism and socialism are different. 

Personslly I'm still waiting for your definition of Communism, Marxism and Socialism..... :popcorn:
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Re: Why Dims QAre Marxist
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2017, 08:31:59 AM »
I will pretend this article isn't a pile of garbage and I will pretend that only an impressionable ten year old would draw the conclusions you do from it.  I will also note you have failed to define how commun, marxism and socialism are different.  This failure now twenty times over.

But if we accept this article is valid and proving what you claim it does(it does not), all it proves is that republicans are far more Marxist(in your false sense of the world) then democrats.

Also, calling them dims, is probably the lamest attempt at wit I have ever seen. 

There already is world government.  It is called the IMF.  It does have absolute control over much of the world's populace.  It is designed to benefit the rich and control the poor and middle class.

If you want to call that Marxism, I'll go along, but its simply absurd to use that term.  If we can get over the term, and agree that the IMF is harmful, we might get somewhere. 

I will note, the IMF has some similarities to Soviet Russia, but then again, it has a lot of similarities to the traditional capitalist west.  Both countries, have and will always have, an elite group that controls the poor.  This was after all the biggest debate at the constitutional convention.
So what can I glean from your post? All I heard was complete denial and no evidence to back it up.
Take a moment and watch this short video, it will help cut to the chase and expand dialogue and understanding.

]Glenn Beck - The Dangers of Fabian Socialism Oct 6 (3-3)

Here is the Fabian logo up close.
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Re: Why Dims QAre Marxist
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2017, 08:38:53 AM »


Here is the Fabian logo up close.



Am I wrong or is that a dog trying to hump a monkey on a flag pole?
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Re: Why Dims QAre Marxist
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2017, 08:40:02 AM »

Am I wrong or is that a dog trying to hump a monkey on a flag pole?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Close, they are commies after all, but no, it's a wolf in sheeps clothing.
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2017, 09:04:59 AM »
So what can I glean from your post? All I heard was complete denial and no evidence to back it up.
Take a moment and watch this short video, it will help cut to the chase and expand dialogue and understanding.

]Glenn Beck - The Dangers of Fabian Socialism Oct 6 (3-3)

Here is the Fabian logo up close.


Posting Glen Beck is like me posting AL Gore.

Its a pointless source and I am not going to listen.

Find me some neutral, serious studies/journals/articles from legit news sources (Wall street Journal, the times, Financial times, Der SPiegel, Peer reviewed studies, etc)

I am not going to listen to a proven liar anymore then you would listen to gore, also a proven liar.


Let me ask a question?  Can you please define Marixst as you view the term?  I wont criticize it but I need to know what you consider Marist.  Please then we can move forward.

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Re: Why Dims QAre Marxist
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2017, 09:20:37 AM »
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Close, they are commies after all, but no, it's a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Please define marxism for me as you see it so I can answer.  Please.

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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2017, 09:41:31 AM »
Posting Glen Beck is like me posting AL Gore.

Its a pointless source and I am not going to listen.

Find me some neutral, serious studies/journals/articles from legit news sources (Wall street Journal, the times, Financial times, Der SPiegel, Peer reviewed studies, etc)

I am not going to listen to a proven liar anymore then you would listen to gore, also a proven liar.


Let me ask a question?  Can you please define Marixst as you view the term?  I wont criticize it but I need to know what you consider Marist.  Please then we can move forward.
Look, here's the thing, I'm not a Beck fan either. I hate drama and emotion, but everything in the video is true, everything he says about it in no way could be considered defamatory, rather he just brings the facts to the table and lets you come to your own conclusion.
It really is a quick introduction to Fabianism, just watch it and if you have a point to make, or can prove any of it wrong, then great, we'll discuss it.
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Re: Why Dims QAre Marxist
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2017, 09:52:18 AM »
Look, here's the thing, I'm not a Beck fan either. I hate drama and emotion, but everything in the video is true, everything he says about it in no way could be considered defamatory, rather he just brings the facts to the table and lets you come to your own conclusion.
It really is a quick introduction to Fabianism, just watch it and if you have a point to make, or can prove any of it wrong, then great, we'll discuss it.
I need a definition of Marxist in your view pleaes.

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Re: Why Dims QAre Marxist
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2017, 09:55:15 AM »
Let us look at the birth of Fabianism, shall we? "In 1883, the year in which Karl Marx died, a group of Karl Marx associates and followers formed a new socialist organization.  The group called itself the LONDON FABIAN SOCIETY, the Fabians are committed to achieving socialism gradually by passing new laws.  While Marxists are revolutionary socialists, but the Fabians are evolutionary socialists. The key element in all of the ideas Fabianism is environmentalism, the belief that man was not created by God but is the product of his surroundings and that to change man, one must simply manipulate the economic, political, and social environment."

In other words, Marx wanted to go to war to achieve his goals, to kill those that disagreed with him and enslave those that didn't fight back, while Fabians disagreed with a means to an end, they formed their own Marxist ideology absent of violence.

Fabians were smart, they knew quite well that no one would accept their belief in a dictatorial way of life, which is why their logo is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
This is only the beginning, there is much more to their history.
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Re: Why Dims QAre Marxist
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2017, 10:02:48 AM »
I need a definition of Marxist in your view pleaes.
I did, it's right below your post.....
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Re: Why Dims QAre Marxist
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2017, 10:07:20 AM »
I did, it's right below your post.....
I cant find it can you please direct me to it or paste it?

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Re: Why Dims QAre Marxist
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2017, 10:16:40 AM »
I cant find it can you please direct me to it or paste it?
What part of "below your post" confuses you so much?

"Let us look at the birth of Fabianism, shall we? "In 1883, the year in which Karl Marx died, a group of Karl Marx associates and followers formed a new socialist organization.  The group called itself the LONDON FABIAN SOCIETY, the Fabians are committed to achieving socialism gradually by passing new laws.  While Marxists are revolutionary socialists, but the Fabians are evolutionary socialists. The key element in all of the ideas Fabianism is environmentalism, the belief that man was not created by God but is the product of his surroundings and that to change man, one must simply manipulate the economic, political, and social environment."

In other words, Marx wanted to go to war to achieve his goals, to kill those that disagreed with him and enslave those that didn't fight back, while Fabians disagreed with a means to an end, they formed their own Marxist ideology absent of violence.

Fabians were smart, they knew quite well that no one would accept their belief in a dictatorial way of life, which is why their logo is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
This is only the beginning, there is much more to their history."
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Re: Why Dims QAre Marxist
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2017, 10:43:14 AM »
What part of "below your post" confuses you so much?

"Let us look at the birth of Fabianism, shall we? "In 1883, the year in which Karl Marx died, a group of Karl Marx associates and followers formed a new socialist organization.  The group called itself the LONDON FABIAN SOCIETY, the Fabians are committed to achieving socialism gradually by passing new laws.  While Marxists are revolutionary socialists, but the Fabians are evolutionary socialists. The key element in all of the ideas Fabianism is environmentalism, the belief that man was not created by God but is the product of his surroundings and that to change man, one must simply manipulate the economic, political, and social environment."

In other words, Marx wanted to go to war to achieve his goals, to kill those that disagreed with him and enslave those that didn't fight back, while Fabians disagreed with a means to an end, they formed their own Marxist ideology absent of violence.

Fabians were smart, they knew quite well that no one would accept their belief in a dictatorial way of life, which is why their logo is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
This is only the beginning, there is much more to their history."

So you see marxists and fabians as both striving for the same end but by differing means?

Thats cool.  But that isn't a definition of Marxists, socialism and communism.  Are you going to by provide no definition?

It would be like asking:  What is a NAZI?  And someone answering well there are neo-nazis and NAZIS. 

Can you please define marxism/fabianism in terms of their economic theory as you see it?

So for example, when you say Obama is a marxist, towards what end is he looking to achieve?  What economic theorem is he pursuing?

If you are just not going to provide this definition thats fine but please tell me so so I stop bothering to ask.

 

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