Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 01:13:28 PM
Sure there is. I ignore your shit-brained stupidity quite a bit. Unless I feel like ripping into NeverTrump loon. Feels great!!

Thanks for reminding me Trump has no political policy, no hope for a better future, and nothing to run on but insults.

Summarizes the recent visits by the Trump-a-loons...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 06, 2016, 04:32:56 AM
You made some valid points of GOPe bashing Trump. That does not equate to endorsing Cruz. The LA GOP is an aberration as its establishment is conservative.

Maybe. But how about Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, John McCain, Lindsey Graham (who said in an interview late in the race "Looks like we're going to have to back Cruz" this after a month earlier he said "Ted Cruz or Donald Trump- like being poisoned or being shot!") Meg Whitman (who's endorsed Hillary. At the Romney summit she chewed out Paul Ryan for his verbal endorsement of Trump. Ryan responded that he has unity obligations as speaker.) Mitch McConnell (who going to run ads against Trump in the general) Karl Rove, Marco Rubio, George Will (who's now changed his party registration because of Trump), Charles Krauthammer, the entire staff of the Wall Street Journal (Bret Stephens actually said that it's imperative that Trump lose to Hillary in order to teach the Rupublican base a lesson), Rich Lowery and Jonah Goldberg and everyone else at the National Review, Bill Kristol and Steve Hayes and the Weekly Standard, as well as the entire as the entire crop of GOP Wall Street donors who consider Trump to be the equavalent of a smallpox outbreak and are desperately trying to stop him.

I'm glad to hear that now all of this RINO scum is now conservative.

All of this is just tap-dancing around my over-all question:

Why is the GOP so afraid of Donald Trump? Because he's a closet left wing Democrat? But if that were true they'd be embracing him with open arms. As bad as they hate Ted Cruz, they were willing to back him during the final months of the race to stop Trump instead of backing Trump to stop Cruz.

I'll let everyone chew on that before I go into the reasons why.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 04:57:47 PM
Maybe. But how about Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, John McCain, Lindsey Graham (who said in an interview late in the race "Looks like we're going to have to back Cruz" this after a month earlier he said "Ted Cruz or Donald Trump- like being poisoned or being shot!") Meg Whitman (who's endorsed Hillary. At the Romney summit she chewed out Paul Ryan for his verbal endorsement of Trump. Ryan responded that he has unity obligations as speaker.) Mitch McConnell (who going to run ads against Trump in the general) Karl Rove, Marco Rubio, George Will (who's now changed his party registration because of Trump), Charles Krauthammer, the entire staff of the Wall Street Journal (Bret Stephens actually said that it's imperative that Trump lose to Hillary in order to teach the Rupublican base a lesson), Rich Lowery and Jonah Goldberg and everyone else at the National Review, Bill Kristol and Steve Hayes and the Weekly Standard, as well as the entire as the entire crop of GOP Wall Street donors who consider Trump to be the equavalent of a smallpox outbreak and are desperately trying to stop him.

I'm glad to hear that now all of this RINO scum is now conservative.

All of this is just tap-dancing around my over-all question:

Why is the GOP so afraid of Donald Trump? Because he's a closet left wing Democrat? But if that were true they'd be embracing him with open arms. As bad as they hate Ted Cruz, they were willing to back him during the final months of the race to stop Trump instead of backing Trump to stop Cruz.

I'll let everyone chew on that before I go into the reasons why.

Yet fail to recognize the long list of Establishment hacks and elites/RINO that do support the NY Lib.
Your list has just been Trumped...

Bob Dole: YEA

John Boehner: YEA

Trent Lott: YEA

Dick Cheney: YEA

Newt Gingrich: YEA

Reince Priebus: YEA

Rick Perry: YEA

Mike Huckabee: YEA

Bobby Jindal: YEA

Eric Cantor: YEA

Ben Carson: YEA

Rick Santorum: YEA

Herman Cain: YEA

Donald Rumsfeld: YEA

Paul Ryan: YEA

Kevin McCarthy: YEA

Steve Scalise: YEA

Cathy McMorris Rodgers: YEA

Raul Labrador: YEA

Mitch McConnell: YEA[/b][/color]

Jeff Sessions: YEA

John McCain: YEA

Kelly Ayotte: YEA

Rand Paul: YEA

Marco Rubio: YEA

Rob Portman: YEA

Richard Burr: YEA

Ron Johnson: YEA

Pat Toomey: YEA

Tom Cotton: YEA

Bob Corker: YEA

Orrin Hatch: YEA

Tim Scott: YEA

John Cornyn: YEA

Chris Christie: YEA

Paul LePage: YEA

Nikki Haley: YEA

Pete Ricketts: YEA

Mike Pence: YEA

Pat McCrory: YEA

Scott Walker: YEA

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 04:57:47 PM
Why is the GOP so afraid of Donald Trump? Because he's a closet left wing Democrat? But if that were true they'd be embracing him with open arms. As bad as they hate Ted Cruz, they were willing to back him during the final months of the race to stop Trump instead of backing Trump to stop Cruz.

I'll let everyone chew on that before I go into the reasons why.

Donald is good friends with Hillary.  Ivanka is very good friends with Chelsea.  Donald has been friends with Hillary for a long time.  He also thought she did a terrific job as SoS.

Only a liberal would think Hillary did a good job.

Bob Dole: Retired and out of the game so he can afford to.

John Boehner: Retired and out of the game do he can afford to.

Trent Lott: Same as above

Dick Cheney: Attacked Trump during the primary on the Iraq war.

Reince Preibus: Got into it with Trump over the primary rules and toning down his retoric.

Newt Gingrich: Not establishment.

Rick Perry: Hates Trump. Called him a "cancer on conservatism".

Mike Huckabee: Not establishment (but not that conservative either).

Bobby Jindal: Hates Trump. Backed Marco Rubio.

Eric Cantor: Hates Trump. Demonized him over Obama birth certificate in 2012.

Ben Carson: Farthest from establishment as you can get!

Rick Santorum: Not establishment. Had delegate stolen from him and given to Romney in 2012. Backed Marco Rubio.

Herman Cain: You're the first person in my whole life that I've met that think Herman Cain is establishment.

Donald Rumsfeld: Stayed neutral during primary.

Paul Ryan: Absolutely, positively HATES Trump. He has endorsed him but is still taking left-wing style shots at him whenever he can (to help Hillary no doubt). Ryan only verbally endorses him because he has to for party unity because of his position as speaker.

Kevin McCarthy: Hates Trump.

Steve Scalise: Hates Trump.

Cathy McMorris Rodgers: Hates Trump.

Raul Labrador: Hates Trump.

Mitch McConnell: Months ago announces formally that he will run attack ads AGAINST Trump in the general election to- as he says- "protect the Senate majority" against Trump.

Jeff Sessions: Probably the most conservative senator there is. If you thinkSessions is establishment then you don't  know with the establishment is.

John McCain: Hates Trump. Got into very nasty fight with him when he first got in the race.

Kelly Ayotte: Hates Trump.

Rand Paul: Really hates Trump.

Marco Rubio: Is running for his old Senate seat "to be a check on both Hillary and Trump". Hates Trump too!

Rob Portman: Hates Trump.

Richard Burr: Hates both Trump and Cruz.

Ron Johnson: Not sure

Pat Toomey: Not sure

Tom Cotton: One of the few Washington Repubs who supported Trump.

Bob Corker: Neutral during the primary but was on- now has "removed himself"- from Trump's VP list.

Orrin Hatch: Hates Trump.

Tim Scott: Publically opposed Trump and held meeting with Repub professionals and politicians to figure out what to do about Trump.

John Cornyn: Stayed neutral.

Chris Christie: You're right about this one. Christie supported Trump and is on his VP list.

Paul LePage: Don't know about him.

Nikki Haley: Seriously? She compared Trump's rhetoric to the Charleston church shooting. She attacked Chris Christie for endorsing Trump. Tried to warn the voters not to follow Trump's "angry voice" (still said she considers Trump a friend). For you to think that Nicki Haley politically backed Donald Trump means you've been living in a cave for at least a year. Probably longer.

Pete Ricketts: Not sure.

Mike Pence: Neutral during primary but on Trump VP list. Maybe your right about this one.

Pat McCrory: Not sure

Scott Walker: After he dropped out of the race he encouraged the party to find an alternative to Trump.

I want you to go around and ask any informed person that you know whether or no the vast majority of the Republican politicians wanted Donald Trump as the party nominee or if the they think the party establishment was ever in favor of Trump. Go on. Ask them.

There are 3.75 forces at work. Republicans that will support the republican nominee no matter what, Conservative republicans and conservatives in general who will only support a true conservative republican, democrats that will always support the democrat nominee and a very small number of liberals that will not support the democrat nominee because she is isn't socialist enough.

The system is breaking down. Liberals are tired of not having Havana as the US capital and conservatives are tired of the constitution being shit on by both parties. So most conservatives have abandoned the establishment while some liberals have raged against the democratic machine.
Hillary has always been a democrat. The type of democrat she is depends on the health of her campaign. Donald Trump has been a republican for less time than Howard Dean was a viable candidate. And Trump actually has a neck whereas Dean looks like a hammerhead shark. It's hard for any true conservative to believe Trump is one of them since he has been the exact opposite right up until he decided to run for president.
Actions speak louder than words and Trump's sudden conservative values cannot be judged until he is president. However after decades of gutless limp wristed RINOS you can't blame the conservatives for not taking the chance.

The establishment is crumbling. That is a good thing for the GOP. The Democrats are just naturally evolving into Fahrenheit 451.

Quote from: taxed on July 06, 2016, 08:26:27 PM
Donald is good friends with Hillary.  Ivanka is very good friends with Chelsea.  Donald has been friends with Hillary for a long time.  He also thought she did a terrific job as SoS.

Only a liberal would think Hillary did a good job.

So is the whole Bush family. Why doesn't Trump get treated like royalty by the GOP the same way the Bushes do and get back with the full support with of the GOP the way that Jeb did?

The answer to your question about Trump winning NY is that they are primary voters which make up a fraction of the general election vote and Trump had to spit his vote between Kasich and Cruz where Hillary only split hers with Bernie.

Quote from: The Boo Man... on July 06, 2016, 11:26:25 PM
There are 3.75 forces at work. Republicans that will support the republican nominee no matter what, Conservative republicans and conservatives in general who will only support a true conservative republican, democrats that will always support the democrat nominee and a very small number of liberals that will not support the democrat nominee because she is isn't socialist enough.

The system is breaking down. Liberals are tired of not having Havana as the US capital and conservatives are tired of the constitution being shit on by both parties. So most conservatives have abandoned the establishment while some liberals have raged against the democratic machine.
Hillary has always been a democrat. The type of democrat she is depends on the health of her campaign. Donald Trump has been a republican for less time than Howard Dean was a viable candidate. And Trump actually has a neck whereas Dean looks like a hammerhead shark. It's hard for any true conservative to believe Trump is one of them since he has been the exact opposite right up until he decided to run for president.
Actions speak louder than words and Trump's sudden conservative values cannot be judged until he is president. However after decades of gutless limp wristed RINOS you can't blame the conservatives for not taking the chance.

The establishment is crumbling. That is a good thing for the GOP. The Democrats are just naturally evolving into Fahrenheit 451.

But no one has proven Trump's claim invalid- that he acted like a Democrat or whatever else he's had to be in order to conduct his business.

If Trumps such a Democrat then why didn't he run as one?

And if he's a Democrat with an R after his name why doesn't the old guard GOP establishment embrace him?

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 11:37:54 PM
But no one has proven Trump's claim invalid- that he acted like a Democrat or whatever else he's had to be in order to conduct his business.

Trump's own words. Has he not supported democrat policies?

I

Quotef Trumps such a Democrat then why didn't he run as one?

Only Trump can truly explain that but based on his own words, opportunity.

QuoteAnd if he's a Democrat with an R after his name why doesn't the old guard GOP establishment embrace him?

He can't be controlled. Whether a democrat or a republican he is a loose canon.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 04:57:47 PM


Why is the GOP so afraid of Donald Trump? Because he's a closet left wing Democrat? But if that were true they'd be embracing him with open arms. As bad as they hate Ted Cruz, they were willing to back him during the final months of the race to stop Trump instead of backing Trump to stop Cruz.

I'll let everyone chew on that before I go into the reasons why.

I don't see any evidence that any one is afraid of trump.. Conservatives despise him. I will not vote for him, it is not due to being "scared" I think he is a damn liberal just like hillery. The only difference between the two is hillery has a bigger set. 

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 01:13:28 PM
Sure there is. I ignore your shit-brained stupidity quite a bit. Unless I feel like ripping into NeverTrump loon. Feels great!!

With such a pitiful number of empty posts --- in support of a loser who knows it before the election --- why are you projecting your many flaws on your betters, ripping into your own stupidity?

Have a new avatar. You won't be needing it here very long.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 11:05:07 PM
Bob Dole: Retired and out of the game so he can afford to.

Irrelevant, he still holds power as a King maker.

QuoteJohn Boehner: Retired and out of the game do he can afford to.

Same for Boner, and he didn't retire, we kicked his ass and the Establishment forced him out, out of fear.

QuoteTrent Lott: Same as above

Same

QuoteDick Cheney: Attacked Trump during the primary on the Iraq war.

Reince Preibus: Got into it with Trump over the primary rules and toning down his retoric.

Yet here they are supporting the lib.

QuoteNewt Gingrich: Not establishment.

OK, I'll be blunt, you're a dumb ass!
He aligned with Fuglosi to battle AGW, something only an Establishment hack would do.

QuoteRick Perry: Hates Trump. Called him a "cancer on conservatism".

Yet supports the lib...

QuoteMike Huckabee: Not establishment (but not that conservative either).

True, he's really just an idiot lib.

QuoteBobby Jindal: Hates Trump. Backed Marco Rubio.

Jindal threw away his TEA credentials when he backed the Lib.

QuoteEric Cantor: Hates Trump. Demonized him over Obama birth certificate in 2012.

You really aren't seeing a pattern here, are you?

QuoteBen Carson: Farthest from establishment as you can get!

Carson has absolutely no place in politics, I said it from day one the guy is a squishy.

QuoteRick Santorum: Not establishment. Had delegate stolen from him and given to Romney in 2012. Backed Marco Rubio.

So in your mind, backing Rubio proves that they're not Establishment?

QuoteHerman Cain: You're the first person in my whole life that I've met that think Herman Cain is establishment.

Proves what a protected life you lead.

QuoteDonald Rumsfeld: Stayed neutral during primary.

More irrelevancies, he now supports the NY lib, which proves he's a sellout to the Establishment.

QuotePaul Ryan: Absolutely, positively HATES Trump. He has endorsed him but is still taking left-wing style shots at him whenever he can (to help Hillary no doubt). Ryan only verbally endorses him because he has to for party unity because of his position as speaker.

And still you can't connect the dots?

QuoteKevin McCarthy: Hates Trump.

Steve Scalise: Hates Trump.

Cathy McMorris Rodgers: Hates Trump.

Raul Labrador: Hates Trump.

Jeeeez, and what do they all have in common? ....wait for it......Establishment whores!!!

QuoteMitch McConnell: Months ago announces formally that he will run attack ads AGAINST Trump in the general election to- as he says- "protect the Senate majority" against Trump.

Instead, he attcaked Cruz and now backs Trump. McCONnel is the Conservatives biggest enemy in the party!

QuoteJeff Sessions: Probably the most conservative senator there is. If you thinkSessions is establishment then you don't  know with the establishment is.

Wake up Lib, Sessions has an 80% CR rating, which puts him squarely in Establishment territory.

John McCain: Hates Trump. Got into very nasty fight with him when he first got in the race.

QuoteKelly Ayotte: Hates Trump.

Rand Paul: Really hates Trump.

And both sold out TEA. Wake up, this lesson isn't over!

QuoteMarco Rubio: Is running for his old Senate seat "to be a check on both Hillary and Trump". Hates Trump too!

Your point? Rubio is an Establishment whore, as evidenced by his selling out of Fl TEA to get elected, and instantly joining Schumer's Gang to promote Illegal Amnesty for the left, or rather Establishment.
God, were you born yesterday?

QuoteRob Portman: Hates Trump.

Richard Burr: Hates both Trump and Cruz.

Ron Johnson: Not sure

Pat Toomey: Not sure

Tom Cotton: One of the few Washington Repubs who supported Trump.

Bob Corker: Neutral during the primary but was on- now has "removed himself"- from Trump's VP list.

Orrin Hatch: Hates Trump.

Tim Scott: Publically opposed Trump and held meeting with Repub professionals and politicians to figure out what to do about Trump.

John Cornyn: Stayed neutral.

And once again, their common thread is what? Come on, you can do it...

QuoteChris Christie: You're right about this one. Christie supported Trump and is on his VP list.

Paul LePage: Don't know about him.

Establishment hacks...

Nikki Haley: Seriously? She compared Trump's rhetoric to the Charleston church shooting. She attacked Chris Christie for endorsing Trump. Tried to warn the voters not to follow Trump's "angry voice" (still said she considers Trump a friend). For you to think that Nicki Haley politically backed Donald Trump means you've been living in a cave for at least a year. Probably longer.
Who's asleep?
Gov. Nikki Haley will support Donald Trump http://www.wistv.com/story/31892881/gov-nikki-haley-will-support-donald-trump-but-no-thanks-on-vp-nod

QuotePete Ricketts: Not sure.

Mike Pence: Neutral during primary but on Trump VP list. Maybe your right about this one.

Pat McCrory: Not sure

Yep, all Establishment/GOP'e whores.

QuoteScott Walker: After he dropped out of the race he encouraged the party to find an alternative to Trump.

Walker is no Conservative, never has been.

QuoteI want you to go around and ask any informed person that you know whether or no the vast majority of the Republican politicians wanted Donald Trump as the party nominee or if the they think the party establishment was ever in favor of Trump. Go on. Ask them.

Is that all you have for rebuttal?
The Establishment wanted Jebbers, and when it became clear the base wanted no part of the RINO, they caved to Rubio the kid, and when that failed, did they back Cruz?
Oh Hell no, they ran to Murdoch and he told Handytitty that FOX would be backing Trump over the Constitutional Conservative.
Yes, these are the facts, but you, as a Trumpanzee are running purely on emotion and failed to see what was taking place.

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 11:28:58 PM
So is the whole Bush family. Why doesn't Trump get treated like royalty by the GOP the same way the Bushes do and get back with the full support with of the GOP the way that Jeb did?

Wow, you still don't get it do you?

Quote from: TFields on July 06, 2016, 11:37:54 PM
But no one has proven Trump's claim invalid- that he acted like a Democrat or whatever else he's had to be in order to conduct his business.

If Trumps such a Democrat then why didn't he run as one?

You're asking the right question, yet fail to see the obvious, which is, he's a Dim plant to get Clinton elected.

Quote
And if he's a Democrat with an R after his name why doesn't the old guard GOP establishment embrace him?

As Boo stated, he's not a good choice, but being libs themselves, the Establishment are finally in full support of the NY, admitted Lib.