Quote from: taxed on July 05, 2016, 01:40:44 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/john-beohner-ted-cruz-lucifer-222570

That's not fair!  Just because the former Speaker of the House, and the current Speaker of the House are good buddies and have endorsed Trump, doesn't mean he... er... ah... ahem.   sputter - pop - brrrrit - phazzz...

(damn conservatives got an answer for everything)   

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 01:18:58 PM
Toward the end of the primary the race had finally narrowed down to three:

Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and Jon Kasich. The establishment knew that Kasich had absolutely no chance whatsoever because he had not won a single state except his home Ohio which he only beat Trump by about one or two percentage points. Lindsey Graham said in a TV interview "I guess we're going to have to back Cruz." To be sure, the GOP hated doing this but he was the last hope to try to stop Trump. Members of the establishment are publicly endorsing him now (though not truly backing him) because he became the presumptive nominee after Cruz and Kasich both dropped out after Indiana and it's now time to "unite behind the nominee."

Now stop making up stories and answer the damn question!!!

If Donald Trump is a closet Democrat then why did the Establishment back Cruz against Trump and not the other way around?!!!

Its really not that hard to educate yourself.

Quote from: TFields link=topic=25546.msg309322#msg309322 date=1467749938
b]Now stop making up stories and answer the damn question!!!

If Donald Trump is a closet Democrat then why did the Establishment back Cruz against Trump and not the other way around?!!![/b]

You are pretty good at making stupid shit up. Cruz is the last person that the GOPe would ever consider backing. They were all in for JEB, until he did a face plant! Do you really believe that the GOPe would move from a RINO like JEB to a Conservative like Cruz? 

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 05, 2016, 11:46:49 AM
Where did the establishment back Cruz? They were undermining him every chance they got.

That's true they did for most of the race. But when the race came down essentially to Cruz and Trump, the establishment held their noses back Cruz. They hate Cruz but they FEAR Trump (So much so that Romney/Ryan, McConnell, Meg Whitman, Haley Barbour, Bill Kristol, and company are still going to trying stop him at the convention with "Delegates Unbound" and other nonsense).

The question for us is what are they so afraid of? It can't be because he's a closet Democrat because then they would be embracing him with open arms and touting that he's "soooooo electable!" like they did the last Democrats with Rs Romney and McCain. 

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 03:29:33 PM
That's true they did for most of the race. But when the race came down essentially to Cruz and Trump, the establishment held their noses back Cruz. They hate Cruz but they FEAR Trump (So much so that Romney/Ryan, McConnell, Meg Whitman, Haley Barbour, Bill Kristol, and company are still going to trying stop him at the convention with "Delegates Unbound" and other nonsense).

The question for us is what are they so afraid of? It can't be because he's a closet Democrat because then they would be embracing him with open arms and touting that he's "soooooo electable!" like they did the last Democrats with Rs Romney and McCain.

TFields, do you think Trump will carry his home state?

Quote from: taxed on July 05, 2016, 03:33:27 PM
TFields, do you think Trump will carry his home state district?

fixed it fer ya, His neighbors would certainly vote for him, wouldn't they?

Quote from: Double D on July 05, 2016, 03:22:22 PM
Its really not that hard to educate yourself.

Apparently it is in his case.

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2016, 06:26:03 PM
Apparently it is in his case.

I wonder what kind of grade he would have received at Trump University...

Quote from: taxed on July 05, 2016, 06:28:00 PM
I wonder what kind of grade he would have received at Trump University...

From what I've read, the only way to fail was to figure out you were being scammed, otherwise, all the suckers graduated with top honors.
Bet he was valedictorian....

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2016, 06:34:10 PM
From what I've read, the only way to fail was to figure out you were being scammed, otherwise, all the suckers graduated with top honors.
Bet he was valedictorian....

His voters are the same suckers who bought Trump U courses....  How many of them thought they were going to be millionaires?

Quote from: taxed on July 05, 2016, 06:42:13 PM


His voters are the same suckers who bought Trump U courses....  How many of them thought they were going to be millionaires?

Yep, the same people that keep the lottery alive, thinking one day they'll be millionaires.

Quote from: Solar on July 05, 2016, 06:56:16 PM

Yep, the same people that keep the lottery alive, thinking one day they'll be millionaires.

Lottery players at least win once in a while...

Quote from: supsalemgr on July 05, 2016, 01:50:02 PM
Graham's statement was not  a ringing endorsement and it went nowhere. GOPe did not rush to support Graham. That is hardly support of the establishment.

All the unbound delegates went to Cruz when he was Trump's last serious opponent including every single one of Colorado's delegates because they don't have a primary- all of the deletgates are picked by the state party bosses- and they unanimously selected Cruz.

Controversy erupted in Louisiana when after Trump had already won Louisiana, the state party boses there stole a number of delegates away from Trump and switched them to Cruz.

During the primary, Mitt Romney held a special press conference to blast Trump- calling him a "phony! A fraud!" and then recommended to voters before Super Tuesday night "I would vote for Ted Cruz in Kansas. Jon Kasich in Ohio. Marco Rubio in Florida."

Paul Ryan came out and directly attack Trump on multiple occasions- especially after Trump announced his muslim ban at a campaign rally with Ryan exclaiming on the House floor " This is not conservativism!" "This is not conservativism!"  He's also accused Trump of "Textbook rasicsm" in his criticism of the Latino supremist judge overseeing the Trump University case.

Mitch McConnell has plans underway to run ads against Trump to -as he claims- "protect the Senate" from supposed bad political fallout from Trump.

Ever since Trump won the primary and became the presumptive nominee, Mitt Romney has held many meetings out in Utah with Paul Ryan, Reince Preibus, and top GOP donors and party officials. The topic- what to do about Trump.

National Review came out with a hit issue (not a hit piece- an entire hit ISSUE) feature turncoat "conservatives" who are against Trump. (That was the the headline of the issue).

Bill Kristol gathered a petition of NeoCons and so-called "conservatives" to put up David French as a third party so-called "conservative" alternative to Trump. It came apart when French refused.

To date the are still ongoing plots by Romney, the 'Delegates Unbound' PAC, and others in the GOP establishment that are trying to stop Trump at the convention at Cleveland.

You will not find any media outlet either left or right that would even entertain the notion that the GOP establishment wing of the party supported Donald Trump AT ANY POINT during the GOP presidential primary. Ditto with any professional pundit left or right.ALL OF THEM WOULD LAUGH YOU OUT OF ROOM FOR EVEN SUGGESTING SUCH A THING!!!!!!THEY'D RATHER HAVE THE ENTIRE TEA PARTY THAN HAVE TRUMP THEY HATE HIM SO BAD!!!!!

Now that I've caught you guys up on the news for the last year, I return to my original question:

If Trump is such a closet Democrat, why did the establishment choose to back Cruz instead of Trump when it came down to it instead of the reverse?

Quote from: TFields on July 05, 2016, 03:29:33 PM
That's true they did for most of the race. But when the race came down essentially to Cruz and Trump, the establishment held their noses back Cruz. They hate Cruz but they FEAR Trump (So much so that Romney/Ryan, McConnell, Meg Whitman, Haley Barbour, Bill Kristol, and company are still going to trying stop him at the convention with "Delegates Unbound" and other nonsense).

The question for us is what are they so afraid of? It can't be because he's a closet Democrat because then they would be embracing him with open arms and touting that he's "soooooo electable!" like they did the last Democrats with Rs Romney and McCain.

The above statement is actually accurate.
The Establishment hates Cruz.
But when Trump got close to winning,
Romney, etc. said, "Vote for anyone but Trump!"
Not to promote Cruz, but to stop Trump.
They wanted an "open convention"
so they could maneuver Kasich in.

The Establishment REALLY HATES Trump.
That indicates that Trump could actually be
a renegade from the Establishment.

Of course we'd all feel more confident with someone
who has consistently articulated conservatism over the years,
instead of someone who has sucked up to the Establishment
to be allowed to do business.

I see the general election as a game of Russian roulette.
There are two revolvers.
The one marked "D" has a live round in every chamber.
The one marked "R" is a mystery.
I'll take ANY chance over a certain NO chance.

Quote from: taxed on July 05, 2016, 03:33:27 PM
TFields, do you think Trump will carry his home state?

It's still very early me to try to say state by state and New York is real deep blue (I think because of the large inner city population) but I would say he stands the best chance as any R since Reagan that we've had (It's his home if anything).